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Salesforce Will Help Relocate Employees from Texas After Abortion Law
- option 5y agoI don not support Texas law in question. But will they help relocate from SF for those sick of homelessness, drug overdoses (more people died in SF from drug overdoses than from COVID during pandemic), raising crime and increasing anti-Asian hate?
- rubyist5eva 5y agoThe lengths people will go to in order to be allowed to kill their children is unfathomable.
- reeealloc 5y agogo outside
- geranim0 5y agoGo back to reddit
- rubyist5eva 5y agono
- anshumankmr 5y agoHonest question: As a non American, I don't know 100% about the law except that it makes abortion illegal if the foetus has a heart beat. And if someone carried out an abortion and you can positively prove it, you get a bounty of 10,000$. So if a Texas resident flies to a nearby state, getting an abortion safely and legally and then they can come back home, right? Sure, the cost of flying would deter some people and it is a less than ideal solution but that cannot be illegal, right?
- plandis 5y agoI’d imagine the set of people who are not in a position to raise a child has significant overlap with the set of people who cannot afford (in time, money or both) to fly to another state for an abortion.
- catillac 5y agoThe law is significantly more expansive and covers anyone assisting in the abortion services, including providing things like rides to the clinic, etc. not just the person or provider.
- potiuper 5y agoWonder how long Uber will last - big ol pot of venture money - have to film the locals chasin them yelling Piñata! Piñata!
- dastbe 5y agowhy do you think the locals would yell piñata
- potiuper 5y agoSpanish, from Italian pignatta, a kind of pot, probably from dialectal pigna, pine cone (from its shape) - vehicle carrying a seed. Partners of aborters would be getting money from suing them rather than being taxed for the ride in sum.
- Factorium 5y agoAbortions in the USA are mostly the avenue of poor, and non-White women. For example the abortion rate compared to live births is about 50% for African-American women: https://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/usa_abortion_by_race.html https://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/usa_abortio... It seems strange that conservatives would oppose abortions, when the women/children will likely go on to use the welfare services that Republicans loathe to support.
- CheezeIt 5y agoWhen you’re confused, that means there is something wrong with your model of reality.
- masklinn 5y ago> It seems strange that conservatives would oppose abortions Not when you consider that it's about control and red meat for the base. > when the women/children will likely go on to use the welfare services that Republicans loathe to support. Welfare services in texas? Not much of that, and what little there is, is probably on the chopping block just as soon as the hospitals implode (and the grid does so again).
- Fellshard 5y agoIt is about life. Don't impute motives that aren't there.
- rbanffy 5y agoI would say it’s more about birth, because there is no support whatsoever after the kid is born. There’s also that snitch law that encourages spying on your neighbours.
- masklinn 5y ago> I would say it’s more about birth, because there is no support whatsoever after the kid is born. It's not even about birth, because there's no support whatsoever before the kid is born.
- catillac 5y agoThis is good. I love Texas in general and have many close ties, but the hypocritical directions they’re taking are too much. We love Austin as well and as a startup actively looking to open its third office, Austin is a really attractive target. Although I don’t make the official decisions on such things, I cannot see any way I would do anything but strongly advocate against opening our next office in Austin because of all Texas’s nonsense. Denver seems like a good alternative.
- UncleOxidant 5y agoAnd yet you need more sane voters to vote in a better governor and state reps. It seems like the opposite approach would be strategically better: get more educated people to move into the state and you'll have more educated voters which would lead to positive change.
- toomuchtodo 5y agoIt's tricky. Could Salesforce donate to organizations that are patching where Texas is failing (such that Bumble and Match's CEO are doing [1]) instead of offering relos out of Texas? Absolutely. Does that make it any better for those who are subjugated by extremist Texas legislative policy? It lessens the pain but the pain is still there, but to your point, the policies won't change until a critical mass of voters vote in less extremist politicians. This will happen at some point [2] [3] [4] as conservative voters age out and younger voters and immigrants (regardless of origin) become eligible to vote, but there is arguably a lot of value in accelerating the progress towards reducing the suffering of the disenfranchised. Money is speech, right? [1] https://www.npr.org/2021/09/03/1033980404/texas-abortion-ban-bumble-match-funds https://www.npr.org/2021/09/03/1033980404/texas-abortion-ban... [2] https://www.texastribune.org/2020/11/11/texas-democrats-republicans-suburb/ https://www.texastribune.org/2020/11/11/texas-democrats-repu... [3] https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2021/08/12/north-texas-population-boom-continues-hispanics-outnumber-whites-in-dallas-census-data-show/ https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2021/08/12/north-te... [4] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/15/texas-republicans-veer-right-despite-demographic-shifts https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/15/texas-republ...
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- tasubotadas 5y agoWill they help to relocate into Texas for those who support the law too?
- TheTester 5y agoNah the hegemony doesn’t support the people that dissent from it so the social engineers will try to seem like they care about their employees, but at the end of the day the only will help those who abet their hatred for life
- ido 5y agoSomeone outside Texas can also not get an abortion just the same, there is no corollary law everywhere else forcing people to get abortions.
- SamReidHughes 5y agoCalifornia forces people buying health insurance to pay for abortions.
- kstrauser 5y agoCorrection: California doesn’t allow health insurance to deny paying for women’s healthcare.
- aethertron 5y agoThis 'correction' replaces a specific statement with a rather more general one, obscuring the point of the reply. "California doesn’t allow health insurance to deny paying for abortions."
- kstrauser 5y agoYou and I said the same thing. But the post I replied to was disingenuous. It made it sound like the law was that insurance purchasers have to pay for abortions, but that’s misleading. Don’t think so? Consider if they’d written: “California forces people buying health insurance to pay for insulin.” That sounds silly. It’s technically true, but implies something more direct than the reality.
- UncleOxidant 5y agoShouldn't they be trying to relocate more people to TX so they can vote for more sane representation? If a bunch of people end up moving out of the state over this then the TX GOP gets what they want.
- rbanffy 5y agoThat’s a very good point. They should support people moving to districts that can be flipped so that Texas can turn blue. Also donate heavily to the races that can bring Texas back to, at least, the 20th century.
- cronix 5y ago> If a bunch of people end up moving out of the state over this then the TX GOP gets what they want. It would be more interesting to me to find out people who would actually quit/leave vs saying they will. I'd bet in actuality it's quite a small number that would follow through and certainly not an exodus. A lot of people always say they will do X, but don't actually do it when it comes down to it because it would inconvenience them or burden them too much to actually follow through. Both quit our jobs? Do we have enough saved to do that? Sell the house? Pull the kids out of school away from the only friends they've known? Find new daycare that we trust? Move away from family, extended family and everything you know? Find a new house? Find 2 new jobs making as much as we were? Finding a new city in a new state that we like and feel like we fit in? That's a lot harder to actually do than say "I'd move."
- kyle_martin1 5y agoAs a Texan, don't move here if you do not intend to adopt our culture. You have 49 other options after all.
- cultofmetatron 5y agoI'm happy to come out to Texas and vote out your culture. Your ancestors did the same exact thing to the people that were there before. No wait, your ancestors used guns and pushed them out by force.
- jelliclesfarm 5y agoThis is astounding to me. I don’t know if Americans realize how this makes SV look…essentially the companies are playing nanny to grown ass adults. First the schools tell them what to think and college teaches them how to think…and then employers direct them how to live their lives. This is the direct result of parenting outsourced to the state/schools/employers. It’s over for America. As a woman, I am horrified that an employer has any..ANY OPINION AT ALL about women’s reproductive decisions. We are not children. We are adults with our own uteruses. A govt or educational institute or religion or employer should have NO opinion or thoughts about personal adult choices. This kind of interference cuts both ways.
- encoderer 5y agoCorporations are just a bunch of people working together and wielding economic resources equal to small nation states. Of course you use those resources to help and protect each other. It’s very normal for companies to evacuate their employees from hostile situations. Is that playing nanny?
- theFco 5y agoI think they expect to lose some talented employees who may look to move away. They are offering to help those who want to move to not loose talent. I don’t see anything else. Maybe they are factually wrong and no one wants to move away and the program is worthless, but maybe they are no wrong and they keep employees that otherwise they would need to retrain. I don’t see nannies here.
- plandis 5y agoHow are they playing the nanny? Its in Salesforce’s best interest to relocate employees who might otherwise quit to move to different states.
- jelliclesfarm 5y agoWhy is it wrong for a corporation to support or denounce state laws that has nothing to do with their business?? How can anyone not see that this is a double edged sword?? Because that’s how we will end up being ruled and controlled by corporations who will now start to influence legislation. Because it would take half a second for this to flip and work against us. Not necessarily wrt abortion laws. Abortion laws are low hanging fruit. What else will salesforce influence or support or interfere with to retain its talent? Not to mention..the strength of a generation that flees any situation that might be uncomfortable or unacceptable. No one digs in their heels and fights for what they believe. Why? Because the current generation have no beliefs. They never had an opportunity to form any thoughts or opinions as they have been nannied by state run schools who made all their decisions by pushing parents out of parenting responsibilities and duties. Hence they flee. And corporations which have taken the baton from state run schools now herd them and then influence legislation. So now the loop is complete. America is toast.
- slapfrog 5y agoIf a salesforce employee opts to stay in Texas, I wonder if that will be taken as an expression of support for the law and negatively impact their career. Edit: I didn't expect this comment to be controversial, and I'm not sure why it is. Are the downvotes from people who think it obviously won't/shouldn't, or from people who think it obviously will/should?
- rbanffy 5y agoIt can’t be interpreted as support, because deciding to stay so you can campaign and vote to turn Texas blue is commendable.
- slapfrog 5y agoI would hope so. On the other hand, if 9 of 10 people on your team opt to leave the state and you're the one who conspicuously doesn't, maybe your choice will be perceived differently. I would hate to find myself in that sort of situation. And elsewhere in this discussion I see mutterings about staying to vote blue being pointless because of republican gerrymandering, so evidently staying-to-vote-blue isn't seen as seen as worthwhile by all. I don't have any insight into how many Salesforce employees will take up this offer, and I think that proportion will impact how those that stay will be perceived. All I know for sure right now is I'm glad I don't live in Texas, so I don't have to make this decision for myself.
- rbanffy 5y agoYou can always explain your reasoning. I would encourage anyone who’s not threatened by these laws to stay and really, seriously mess with Texas.
- kstrauser 5y agoI don’t think so. There are a million reasons someone might not want to move that have nothing to do with politics. Maybe their house is paid off, or their kids have a couple of years left to finish school, or they’re living near a sick parent, or they love the climate, or they just like it there. This is providing assistance for people who want to leave, but says nothing at all about people who don’t want to.
- chaganated 5y agoThere are powerpoints to be presented, deals to be done, stem cell injections to be made. How dare those insolent Texans meddle with our supplications to Molech?
- dshpala 5y agoI don't care about abortions, and think that women should be free to do what they want with their bodies. As they are in most of other countries. But the woke brouhaha surrounding this law gives we a weird pleasure to watch. Companies jumping out of their pants just to prove solidarity with something, priceless.
- gremloni 5y agoIt’s schadenfreude and you’re a bad person. What’s the point of your comment?
- randyrand 5y agoI don’t think Salesforce is much of a victim here. What is Salesforce’s misfortune? It’s something else.
- the_third_wave 5y ago> and you’re a bad person. That remark is exhibit A in the repertoire of evidence for the collapse of civil society. Just because someone does not agree with 'your' opinions does not make that person bad. This is also the core of the whole woke madness which is currently raging, the conviction that anyone who does not follow the current narrative is bad/*-ist/*-phobe or just 'deplorable'. That attitude belongs to religious zealots, not to political ideologies.
- gremloni 5y agoHe’s literally taking pleasure at someone else’s expense. It’s sadism. That’s almost the definition of a bad person. It’s not something I just throw around.
- the_third_wave 5y agoHe is taking pleasure in what he terms the woke brouhaha which to me does not translate to individuals suffering, more to insufferable individuals. It may be schadenfreude but that does not make him bad nor does it make him guilty of sadism.
- randyrand 5y agoThis is pretty stupid IMO. There’s no requirement to have a health procedure done in the state you live. It’s way more convenient if Salesforce offered transportation to get an abortion, instead of forcing you to relocate to get that assistance.
- jlokier 5y agoThey can't. The new Texas law makes it effectively illegal to help someone get an abortion, for example by providing transport to a clinic for that purpose. Even if the clinic is outside Texas.
- jelliclesfarm 5y agoNothing should terrify women more than men fighting for women’s abortion rights. We can fight for ourselves. Thank you very much.