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Rolling Stone 'Horse Dewormer' Hit-Piece Debunked After Hospital Says No ODs
- pseudo0 5y agoNot my first choice for a source, but I looked through the references they cited and everything seemed to check out. Hopefully this answers some of the questions people had in the comment section for the Insider article based on this Rolling Stone story: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28412115 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28412115 - ERs backed up with ivermectin overdosers while gunshot victims wait: Oklahoma DR (82 comments)
- malloc2048 5y agoSo this happens because journalists apparently use one source. I thought journalists learn that one source is no source. Especially on health subjects, journalists should be more thorough.
- unraveller 5y agoIt amazes me that Business Insider does not have one hour of an interns time to confirm sensational stories like this. More likely everyone in the publishing chain was deathly afraid of questioning any part of the narrative of obedience to medical authority that their main stream editors require.
- retinaros 5y agofacts dont matter in woke america
- CyberDildonics 5y agoWhich part of this is 'woke america'?
- atatatat 5y agoThey're just upset that ZH is allowed.
- pseudo0 5y agoIt sat at +3 with no comments for a couple hours and still doesn't appear on https://hckrnews.com/ https://hckrnews.com/, so it may have been partially hidden somehow. Zerohedge articles certainly deserve independent verification, but as this story shows, that should be the default position for all media not the exception.
- retinaros 5y agoFacts Don't Matter When You're 'Morally Right' the words of aoc that defined better the past 2 years. when you think that , the logical next step is « why would i spend money fact checking something that looks like what a pro trumper would take as a medicine it,is,obviously risky and can give overdoses »
- bellyfullofbac 5y agoSo, are you from the "I hate the woke" side? Because facts haven't mattered for many years during the Bush and Trump admins. If you are a Trump/Bush/conservative, it's amazing to me how much blinded someone can be about the weaknesses of his own side. Even when I googled this term you're twisting the facts about what AOC actually said. https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2019/01/07/aoc-facts-dont-matter-youre-morally-right-n266904 https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2019/01/07/aoc-facts-dont-ma...
- retinaros 5y agoi agree with you on trump bush but the mainstream press was not on their side minus the irak war
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- luckylion 5y agoBusiness Insider is part of Axel Springer AG, a German publisher best known for their flag ship BILD. They've always played loose with sources and facts, and have always favored attention/clicks/sales over truth. BI isn't as one the nose as their tabloids, but I haven't had the impression that they operate by different principles either.
- ergot_vacation 5y agoAccuracy doesn't matter when you're paid to push an agenda. Whether that payment is in literal money or just a continued seat at the cool kids table.
- OrvalWintermute 5y agoLooks like another great example of disinformation. When, if, they print a retraction, it is always in smaller print and never on the front page.
- ergot_vacation 5y agoTo be fair, anyone who believes Rolling Stone after the absolute atrocity that was that college "rape" piece a few years back is probably irredeemably stupid.
- unraveller 5y agoThe article now includes a tweet referencing the Hospital's statement as though it was expected, without an extra heading or correction notice or title change. Then they pad out the statement again as if to address the concerns of falsehood it raises, before getting the same doc to restate his concerns for the ignorant masses in more detail. Presumably this time they prodded him for something that does not require confirmation, there isn't an hour to waste in getting on top of a backlash.
- throwawaysea 5y agoCalling ivermectin a “horse dewormer” is the lowest form of intellectual discourse - political meme warfare using pejorative labels. It says more about those who repeat the phrase blindly. Ivermectin is a Nobel prize winning drug that has had incredibly surprising applications. I haven’t looked into it much, but I wouldn’t be surprised if someone determined it had some application with COVID. Even if it isn’t very effective, it might provide an imperfect benefit with limited downside, which is all we get from the various vaccines out there anyways. But really what is wrong with people speculating about drugs, discussing them, and making choices on their own about their health and what risks they are comfortable with? Ultimately the ivermectin controversy is less about ivermectin itself and more about other problems in modern western society that have been laid bare by the pandemic. It’s about uncivil discourse (“horse dewormer”). Its about bad reporting and a failing journalism industry that veered too far into manufacturing narratives. It’s about blindly trusting authorities. It’s about whether speculation and free thought is allowed. It’s about collectivism versus individualism. It’s about groupthink and tribalism. It’s about censorship, for example YouTube censoring videos of the Nobel prize winner discussing ivermectin (https://reclaimthenet.org/youtube-censors-dr-satoshi-omura-ivermectin/ https://reclaimthenet.org/youtube-censors-dr-satoshi-omura-i...). We have seen other similar situations throughout the pandemic, like with early speculation about COVID’s existence, whether it could transmit between humans (WHO said it can’t in late Jan 2020!), about masks, about the lab leak theory, and now this. PS: many left-leaning pharmacists are openly discussing on social media how they can arbitrarily deny doctors’ prescriptions for ivermectin and other drugs that have become politically charged (example: https://www.reddit.com/r/pharmacy/comments/p8zq68/what_are_you_guys_doing_about_ivermectin/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pharmacy/comments/p8zq68/what_are_y...). That may be why some patients are seeking out veterinary doses, which may then be leading to ODs.
- malcolmgreaves 5y agoStop spreading misinformation that can kill people. You're not a physician. You don't know what you are talking about.
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- theknocker 5y agowow so the media just makes shit up, who knew
- completelylegit 5y agoI hate to whatabout this, but sure, Rolling Stone publishes a garbage piece and the conservative outrage machine cranks up. Fox News does worse, 24 hours a day, every day.
- rdtwo 5y ago… and msnbc and Russia today and a whole bunch of shitty networks doesn’t really excuse any of this
- baobabKoodaa 5y ago> I hate to whatabout this... Then don't.
- completelylegit 5y agoI found a way to live with it.
- someguydave 5y agocan you point to a Tucker Carlson piece that is flagrantly false like this?
- naqahdah 5y ago… All of them. Fox’s own lawyers argued that ‘no reasonable viewer’ should take what he says seriously, and won a court case on the back of that argument. https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/7216968/9-24-20-McDougal-v-Fox-Opinion.pdf https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/7216968/9-24-20-McDou... Specifically - “This “general tenor” of the show should then inform a viewer that he is not “stating actual facts” about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in “exaggeration” and “non-literal commentary.” Milkovich, 497 U.S. at 20-21; Levinsky’s, Inc. v. Wal-Mart Stores, Inc., 127 F.3d 122, 128 (1st Cir. 1997)). Fox persuasively argues, see Def Br. at 13-15, that given Mr. Carlson’s reputation, any reasonable viewer “arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism” about the statements he makes.
- malloc2048 5y agoI just noticed the original story from the Rolling Stone has now also been picked up by Dutch news outlets. I can imagine the same happens in other countries all over the world. It's amazing how fast the lazy behavior of a single journalist can make incorrect news spread that fast. I notified a couple of Dutch journalists on Twitter, as I am curious whether they will (and how) correct this. It seems that many journalists in my country just pretty much translate and summarize foreign media.
- ipspam 5y agoLazy? Or noble lie?
- errantmind 5y agoThere's nothing noble about lying.
- ipspam 5y agoTell that to everyone involved in Covid
- newbie2020 5y agoStraight up fake news. Don’t know how you can “accidentally” post something like this
- someguydave 5y agonot lazy. this is intentional information war against safe and easy targets