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Debian 11
- YLYvYkHeB2NRNT 5y ago> transitional dummy I take real offense to this politically incorrect descritptor used in the documentation.
- whalesalad 5y agoWoohoo! Congratulations to everyone involved on the release! I’ve tried almost every distribution under the sun and my heart always goes back to Debian. I’ve been running Bullseye for a few weeks (the RC’s) and it has been a pleasure.
- uggedal 5y agoDebian does not have release candidates. The installer does though.
- Tomte 5y agoOff-topic, but I'd appreciate a hint: because I don't see a link to change language: what's the non-negotiated English URL?
- forgotpwd16 5y agohttps://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/index.en.html https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes... Didn't even knew they had release notes in other languages.
- blendergeek 5y agoEnglish: https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/index.en.html https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes... The other language URLs are built like this: https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/index.<ISO LANGUAGE CODE>.html So for French it would be: https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/index.fr.html https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes... Just change the language code to your language and you should be set.
- Shish2k 5y agoPHP 8.0 is 10 months old, and debian’s upcoming release will be upgrading from 7.3 to 7.4, which will make 7.4 the standard for the next ~3 years (even though it only gets upstream support for 1 more year)… I am starting to reconsider my personal policy of “use debian-stable as a benchmark for what language runtimes I should build on top of”, now tending towards “use debian stable as the bare-metal OS, and build all my projects inside docker, using each language’s most recent stable release”
- samueloph 5y agoSeems like you should take a look at https://deb.sury.org/ https://deb.sury.org/ PHP 8.0's release wasn't long ago enough to fit into the stable release, bullseye was too close to the initial freeze period when that happened.
- stephenr 5y agoThis is the correct answer. For those unaware, these packages are built using the same packaging repo as the Debian “offical” packages, by a member of the “official” Debian php team. I can’t speak highly enough of Ondřej’s work on this.
- roenxi 5y agoI'll opine, happily, that nothing showcases the gap between the OS people and the Web people as well as someone who considers 10 months to be a significant length of time. There is a happy day coming for the web developers, sometime this decade hopefully, when skills learned as long as 12 months ago will still be up to date. Did you notice OpenJDK has been upgraded from v11 to v11? That sort of radical change is why I run Debian. They don't break stuff.
- Shish2k 5y agoVery fair point :) All my other dependencies, using 5 year old versions is fine; it’s mostly just PHP that gets an order of magnitude less-painful to work with in each release, so being stuck a few versions behind is extra frustrating...
- marcodiego 5y agoYears ago I'd be reluctant of using debian stable on my desktop because it mostly meant old packages. Now, with appimages, snaps and flatpaks I can finally have a rock-solid stable system combined just released new software. Debian are also very important events because it influences all of its descendants like ubuntu, armbian and raspbian.
- sgarland 5y agoPersonally, I'd be fine with using Sid as a desktop as long as all data was backed up - but that should be a given for any OS. I'm a bit of a hypocrite, though, as I use a Mac for daily use. I do run Debian Stable for my servers, though! With Bullseye nearing completion, it looks like it's about time to bake some new VMs.
- ComputerGuru 5y agoThere’s no real danger to your data with Sid, just your productivity when your OS breaks.
- zozbot234 5y agoUnless you're using btrfs.
- ComputerGuru 5y agoLol, I was going to make a btrfs quip and say I’d rather trust my data to Sid on xfs or jfs rather than an alternative stable distro that uses btrfs cough OpenSuSE cough.
- nerdponx 5y agoIs it that bad? I have been using Tumbleweed as my desktop OS for several months, but I don't really use the Btrfs features at all.
- fogihujy 5y agoArgh, and I just deployed a Debian 10 system last week! Serves me right for not checking when the next release was due . :D
- wongarsu 5y agoMe too. Well, still have three years to update before LTS runs out for Debian 10. The system probably won't survive that long anyways
- doubled112 5y agoObviously YMMV, but the machines I've upgraded from 10 to 11 have been running smoothly, and the upgrade was as simple as one could imagine. You know your systems better than I do though.
- gspr 5y agoDebian upgrades are notoriously smooth.
- viccuad 5y agoDebian upgrades between major versions are supported and tested (contrary to other OSes). Reading the release notes of 11 is a good idea though :).
- user5994461 5y agoIn theory it's supported, in practice you might lose the machine. Tried on 3 tests VM last month, nuked 1 out of them, failed somewhere mid process after removing half of the system packages. That machine never rebooted.
- blibble 5y agoyou've been pretty unlucky I must have upgraded at least 1000 times over 20 years and I've only had a machine become unbootable once
- lebrad 5y agoWe're about to experience a dreamy period of numerical software versioning where Debian, Windows, and macOS have all gone to eleven
- zibzab 5y agoAnd android...
- gruez 5y agoNot really, because by the time that windows 11 is released (in the fall of this year), android would have moved on to 12.
- dijit 5y agoDoesn’t that imply that they’re all currently at version 10?
- jtwaleson 5y agoI think OP believes that 11 is more significant ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up_to_eleven https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up_to_eleven
- HKH2 5y agoIt implies that they're not all at 11 yet.
- zymhan 5y agoSure, but anyone can go up to 10. These go to 11.
- senorjazz 5y ago:-D
- vesinisa 5y agoLatest stable macOS release is in the 11.x range. But it's likely that macOS 12 will be released before Windows 11, so GP's magical moment might not come to be.
- bondant 5y agoIs it released yet ? The download page still gives a download link to the version 10.10
- jhealy 5y agoNot quite. The volunteers involved in the process are working on it, but there's probably still some hours to go. Some progress updates are being posted to twitter: https://twitter.com/debian https://twitter.com/debian
- gspr 5y agoAnd here: https://micronews.debian.org/ https://micronews.debian.org/
- 0x0 5y agoSad to see support for QNAP dropped in the kernel packages for armel, presumably because the vmlinuz kernel is 500kb too large for the default flash partition.
- zozbot234 5y agoThis issue will also hit many mobile/embedded devices in the future where the kernel has to be flashed separately from the main installed system. (Debian does provide a flash-kernel workflow for this purpose.) The general solution is to use a separate bootloader (even Linux itself can be used as a bootloader via kexec), though this can involve a bit of wasted space.
- 0x0 5y agoFingers crossed a solution could be found during the lifetime of debian11. The entire distro is ready for armel, such a shame that 500kb of missing flash partition space holds it back :-/ I saw one of the bugreports had a message talking about using a different flash partition but it involved a lot of scary uboot hex memory addresses, which without a serial console could be a quick way to make a brick...
- ripdog 5y agoI don't know anything specific about your situation, so I'm sorry for sticking my nose in here, but isn't this a case where you just need to compile your own kernel with a bare minimum of modules for your hardware? Surely that would save 500kb.
- 0x0 5y agoI'll have to look into it. I was hoping to ride the official marvell kernel binaries because building from custom sources on armel would be a great inconvenience. Also not sure I'll be able to find 500kb to cut that the debian people couldn't carve out. I would have thought these QNAP devices would make out a large percentage of the armel install base. Grateful that armel is still officially supported, just crazy that 500kb of missing default flash partitions is blocking access to the dozens of gigabytes of official debian armel goodness.
- nvr219 5y agoAwesome! Grats on the release. Debian is my favorite Linux distribution and my go-to whenever I need to provision a server.
- TekMol 5y agoI use Debian on all my servers and love it. I never managed to install it on the desktop though. How do you install Debian on a desktop these days? Usually, I downlod it, dd it onto a usb stick, boot from it and then Im stuck because it does not have my wifi drivers and I don't have a cable to connect my desktop to my router.
- em500 5y agoYou could try the images which include non-free firmware: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/ https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/image...
- TekMol 5y agoThanks. What does "Unofficial images" mean? It sounds kinda dangerous to me.
- zozbot234 5y agoThese images are only "unofficial" due to the aforementioned non-free firmware; everything else in them is the same as in official images. Debian cannot guarantee that this firmware will be supported in any real sense, being proprietary; they're simply making it available for the user's convenience.
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- sillystuff 5y agoDebian will not ship non-free software in its main repos / official installers. The unofficial images are exactly that, created outside the rules of the project to avoid this prohibition. But, you don't have to trust them. You can download and place the non-free firmware files on a thumbdrive yourself, and the official installer can use them. It will stop and prompt you to insert the thumb drive if it is necessary to complete the installation. https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware If you e.g., netinstall over a wired ethernet connection, it is rarely a problem. But, all 802.11ac and above wifi chipsets require a non-free firmware. You can always add non-free to your sources.list and install nonfree firmware after installation for any devices other than those required for installation, i.e., your network adapter (and in maybe a super rare case for a desktop install, your disk controller).
- vbezhenar 5y agoI think that the most significant feature in Debian 11 for me is wireguard. Debian is the only distribution that I could install on 256 MB VPS to use as a VPN.
- zargon 5y agoEven 128 MB works great for a debian vpn.
- robertlagrant 5y agoBlog posts please, from you both :-)
- geokon 5y agoI haven't used Debian in very long time. Have they converged on some alternative to the PPA? Like if I want the latest GCC or OpenJDK.. surely you don't download some AppImage, right?
- gspr 5y agoThe laying of some groundwork was recently discussed here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2021/07/msg00028.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2021/07/msg00028.html
- still_grokking 5y agoThere is an unofficial (afik) effort to build something like AUR for Debian. It's quite new I think. https://mpr.hunterwittenborn.com/ https://mpr.hunterwittenborn.com/ (HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27638107 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27638107) But you don't need it for things like the latest GCC or OpenJDK as stuff like that is usually available form the Testing or Unstable Debian branches.
- zozbot234 5y agoIf you're running Debian Stable, using the backports repo is generally preferable to installing packages from the testing or unstable channels. The latter will give you an unsupported configuration that might be broken to begin with, or break without warning in the future as stuff gets upgraded further.
- geokon 5y agoI just checked and `openjdk-15-jdk` `openjdk-16-jdk` are only on sid/unstable - which `openjdk-17-jdk` is only on testing. So yeah, the only alternative is mixing version which is playing with fire. These seems like pretty basic distro problems, no? Since no one seems bothered I figured I was missing some obvious solution.
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- edwinyzh 5y agoGreat! And my free GUI admin panel will support it! https://sitemakertools.com/vps-bootstrapper https://sitemakertools.com/vps-bootstrapper (runs on workstation, only SSH is needed, no need to pre-install anything on the server side!)
- gautamcgoel 5y agoDebian is one of the software projects I admire the most. No glitz, no fuss; it's like the index fund of Linux distributions.
- shell0x 5y agoThat's a great way to put it.
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- eth0up 5y agoProbably futile, but... Please put wicd-curses back in the repos. Rumors of its deprecation have been greatly exaggerated. I find it continuing to work as well as ever while enduring the status as the only acceptable means of clean network management available in Linux. -Debian Testing user More practically, I beseech the compassionate and unglabrous-necked wizards of yore to impart their glorious mana to this dear and ailing friend, wicd. Please resurrect it. I beg.
- throwawaybutwhy 5y agoDoesn't that require resurrecting py2 or porting it into python 3?
- buu700 5y agoI have no familiarity with the internals of wicd, but from a glance at the most recent commits it looks like wicd-curses has already been migrated to Python 3: https://git.launchpad.net/wicd/log/curses https://git.launchpad.net/wicd/log/curses
- acd 5y agoI love Debian its very stable and well packaged. Big thanks to all Debian developers!
- lovasoa 5y ago> A new open command is available as a convenience alias to xdg-open It's 2021 and we can finally open files from the terminal with "open". Hooray !
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- Tommah 5y agothe year of the Linux terminal
- lazyweb 5y agoNice! Already upgraded most of my systems (around 10 VMs and 2-3 HW systems) to Bullseye a few weeks ago without issues.
- 404mm 5y agoI know it may sound silly but I really like that they’re still sticking with the Toy Story characters! Although I cannot say I even remember Bookworm (Debian 12).
- shmerl 5y agoCongrats on the release! I wish the "(almost) always releasable testing" proposal would get more traction tough. These long freeze periods aren't very good if you are using testing as a rolling distro.
- strzibny 5y agoI am happy for Debian even though I am on the Fedora family side (since I worked at Red Hat as a packager and it stayed with me). Congrats on the release! It's good we have options and what would Ubuntu do without Debian anyway? :) Some people in the discussion mentioned old versions of packages. I would like to mention that in the Fedora/CentOS/RHEL we now have modular packages and therefore various versions of Ruby, Python, PostgreSQL at once. Maybe something Debian can steal. If modular packages or a good SELinux policy sounds like something you might like I am putting together a book on deploying web applications to get people started with Fedora/Rocky/CentOS defaults: https://deploymentfromscratch.com/ https://deploymentfromscratch.com/
- passer_chen 5y ago"The release notes for Debian bullseye are available in 17 languages" Wow, I can read the Chinese version release note, thank you Debian!