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It helps that microsoft completely ruined skype and turned it into an unreliable piece of shit
by asddubs 5y ago
It helps that microsoft completely ruined skype and turned it into an unreliable piece of shit
- MR4D 5y agoI hope that case study is taught in business schools. That Microsoft did such a bad job is stunning to me. And Teams is darn near unusable due to interface weirdness, but Windows 11 integration gives me hope that this problem can be fixed.
- OedipusRex 5y agoTeams is the worst UI I’ve ever used in an application.
- kleiba 5y agoSeconded, yet my university chose it as the collaboration app for all employees.
- briffle 5y agoFor the same reason as most others: "its included for free in our existing subscription. Is your other tool free?"
- kleiba 5y agoAren't there tons of free or even open-source tools?
- skeeter2020 5y agoTeams is not free, it's a free addition to the subscriptions that almost every IT department buys already. So you can think of it as a subsidized moat, or a loss-leader for new clients. Any competitor needs to figure out how to cover the not insignificant costs of running this service, plus to give them their due, Microsoft support is better than almost everyone else in the enterprise setting.
- basch 5y agoIt's not even free in that it mostly just replaces the Lync/SharePoint interfaces. It's a feature people were sold that was rewritten and replaced, and the old feature removed.
- smolder 5y agoYes, but someone would have to be responsible for making the entirely reasonable choice to use them. No one gets blamed for buying into the status quo and following "best practices" (by popularity), even when they're bad practices.
- easton 5y agoNot that include hosting (with a SLA), SSO support, and integration with all of the other apps you already use (well, at least Office). And if you pay for a Microsoft license that includes compliance stuff, it automatically does Teams too.
- skeeterbug 5y agoThe UI is bad, but I will take Teams over using WebEx for meetings.
- rhacker 5y agoThere must be something they're doing right as there are so many people talking about how bad it is. (They all have it installed)
- acoard 5y agoMicrosoft included Teams with their offerings that most businesses already subscribe to. So, it's essentially "free." It makes it really had to pick other options. Especially because it has Active Directory.
- isbvhodnvemrwvn 5y agoNobody was ever fired for choosing Microsoft. Same goes for some of Azure usage I've seen.
- dnautics 5y agoobligatory reading about enterprise software (apologies for it being a twitter thread) https://twitter.com/random_walker/status/1182635589604171776?lang=en https://twitter.com/random_walker/status/1182635589604171776...
- zinglersen 5y agoI feel like this could be said about paid APIs as well? The ones purchasing/signing the contract (business) and the ones using the API (developers) have completely different 'needs'.
- IceCreamJonsey 5y agoThe fact that "Click to expand" / auto-collapse is the default for almost all conversations and there is no way to toggle it off is inexplicable to me.
- skeeter2020 5y agoYou've obiovusly never used Azure DevOps. Nothing will make you miss Jira like moving to DevOps.
- Kaze404 5y agoIt's unbelievable to me how Teams can be this bad on pretty much all platforms. I'm not surprised that it's bad on Linux, but it continuing to record your microphone after you leave a meeting until it's closed is downright acceptable (if you don't believe me, open pavucontrol after a meeting). On Android, I've had it crash twice this week when trying to expand a message I sent. Not to mention the terrible and inconsistent UI of course, but I think that's already what it's known for.
- gchamonlive 5y agoI wouldn't mind teams being bad if we could just pretend it doesn't exist. However Microsoft find creative ways to shove it down our metaphorical throats, even for us using Linux, because many companies downright require the use of teams for communication in the corporation because it was sold with a bundled license.
- dole 5y agoPraise Electron. I can't imagine the cross platform headaches Teams has induced on its developers. Sometimes you have to wonder whether Win11's new hardware requirements and Electron/Teams' crappy performance are related.
- dividedbyzero 5y agoJudging by how cross-platform was done before Electron, the macOS app would probably lag way behind and Linux users would get nothing at all.
- Kaze404 5y agoConsidering Slack and Discord also use Electron, and not only have much more functionality but also do it pretty much flawlessly (to reasonable extents), I don't buy this argument.
- stjohnswarts 5y agoYeah it's fine to call Electron a little memory piggy, but there's no reason stable apps can't be built on it. A company like MS should be embarrassed that their app sucks so badly.
- api 5y agoI smell outsourcing, or trying to save money by hiring really green programmers and designers and putting them on something too big for their experience level.
- micromacrofoot 5y agoThis is a popular opinion that I tend to agree with on a personal preference level, but Microsoft's userbase across Teams and Skype is still much larger than Slack's... so they're certainly not doing a very bad job outside of the realm of HN opinion. Salesforce is probably banking on a similar bundling tactic to 365, which makes the sale seem like a tactical move reflecting the reality that better doesn't always matter. Plus Microsoft is also working on a CRM to rival Salesforce.
- asddubs 5y agoI'd say the comparison to discord is the more relevant one e: and zoom
- MR4D 5y agoSlack never went after schools during Covid - Microsoft did. My guess is that their markets are different and that's why the user count is so different. Of course, Teams is free when you have Office365, so.... there's that.
- thayne 5y agoHopefully, Salesforce doesn't repeat that with Slack
- swiley 5y agoWith Microsoft's luck and finesse the Windows 11 integration will just kill Windows.
- skeeter2020 5y agoFrom 400B to > 2T market cap in the past 5 years. Not sure that's dumb luck. Teams is terrible, Azure DevOps is painful, windows has a had a lot of misses; but .NET is awesome, Azure is my favourite all-round IaaS/Paas and lots of their new initiatives are pleasant surprises, so IMO Microsoft is at their best as any time in the past 10+ years or longer.
- benhurmarcel 5y ago> That Microsoft did such a bad job is stunning to me Google also managed to do a similarly bad job. Google Talk was quite popular.
- joshstrange 5y agoThis, 100 times this. I don't think I'll ever understand how Google so horribly lost the "Chat Race". They were in early, had a product, let it flounder, then launched multiple other chat services that all were bad in their own way.
- dzonga 5y agobusiness school, is the wrong place to teach that. I can bet 90% that the acquisition was messed up by the suits. but anyways what can plebs like us do ? we didn't go to fancy mba school, but can bet we would've done a way better job.
- gogopuppygogo 5y agoMakes me sad to think about how Microsoft also did this to Sunrise. They even shut Sunrise down and yet never brought the functionality to Outlook.
- KronisLV 5y agoAre there any sites that attempt to describe exactly what's wrong with Skype? I've been using it for years and haven't observed anything outright wrong with it. Is particular functionality broken or something?
- tomrod 5y agoThis comment will identify the core issue: Feature creep expressing as bloat.
- yoz-y 5y agoOne of the contentions is that skype evolved from an utilitarian entreprisey chat/voice app into a wannabe social network.
- keb_ 5y agoI can only speak for myself, but I've had co-workers who've corroborated my experiences: * Slow startup, slow everything * File uploads work maybe 50% of the time * Calls are frequently dropped * Sometimes will just flatout stop responding and crash in the middle of chat or a call. * Resource hog
- redm 5y agoI wonder if those issues could be related to a poor network connection to the Skype servers, and maybe poor handling of lossy or high latency connections. I haven't seen any of these issues with Skype.
- forgotAgain 5y agoThey could be but if network connection was a prime cause Microsoft would have highlighted that fact. Have they shown that is in fact the primary issue?
- prepend 5y agoPerhaps, but I’ve never had these problems with Zoom or Discord or Slack or Jabber or anything else. So it’s a Skype problem as far as I’m concerned.
- robbick 5y agoCan't see this and not post this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI0w_pwZY3E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI0w_pwZY3E - A message from Skype CEO
- stjohnswarts 5y agoThanks for the laughs :)
- dnautics 5y agois this a trend? Cisco webex started of relatively easy to use and then rapidly became unusable, Zoom feels like it's going in that direction, Google meet is arguably more usable than its predecessors, but (maybe because they keep changing their product name[0]? which is a key part of usability) nobody seems uses it anymore [0] messenger? was it hangouts? meet? Is it duo now?
- jackson1442 5y agoZoom feels more performant than Meet, but Meet’s latest product update a month or two ago made it significantly better. Interface is cleaner and it feels much faster to the point that it feels almost as fast as Zoom.
- dnautics 5y agoyep, but like i said the the UX failure in meet is not technical but literally changing the product name. Who knows. Will it get replaced by duo in 1.5 y?
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- joshxyz 5y agoOne of the best plot twists of the decade.