8 ms·

Notably, the previous maintainer of this fork stepped down a couple of days ago, after a harassment campaign from 4chan allegedly escalated to a violent attack.

Notably, the previous maintainer of this fork stepped down a couple of days ago, after a harassment campaign from 4chan allegedly escalated to a violent attack. https://github.com/tenacityteam/tenacity/issues/99 https://github.com/tenacityteam/tenacity/issues/99

legostormtroopr 5y ago
This is a gross oversimplification of the matter. This fork asked the public for names (mistake) and when they didn't like the most popular name they disqualfied it, and labelled any attempts to ask why as trolling. Given that the Tenacity team wanted to be a fork for everyone, having their first action be refusing a popular vote was a bad look and things allegedly escalated from there.
- Arnavion 5y ago
  To be clear, regardless of whether they did an internet poll properly or not, doling out physical violence because of it was not justified in any way.
  - gsich 5y ago
    I don't know if there is evidence for that.
    - Arnavion 5y ago
      Sure, I'm not saying I have any. The original post already said "allegedly" so I didn't feel the need to repeat it.
    - user-the-name 5y ago
      Every single time 4chan or one of its offspring cause real-world damage, the first thing its users will say is always "there is no evidence". Every single time. Happened when KiwiFarms drove an innocent person to suicide a few weeks back as well. It is cowardly and disgusting, and I do not want to hear it ever again.
      - newfriend 5y ago
        there is no evidence
        Bancakes 5y ago
        That's crazy escapist talk. Can you put 2 and 2 together?
        user-the-name 5y ago
        Coward.
      - gsich 5y ago
        So where is it?
        user-the-name 5y ago
        Coward.
        gsich 5y ago
        If you think so. But who cares? The trustworthiness of the author decreased when he deleted posts on HN claiming his Pinephone hanged, which unfortunateley deleted evidence.
        user-the-name 5y ago
        Your trustworthiness is through the absolute floor already and I am really not believing a single word you say. You are part of a massively toxic group and making excuses for it.
        gsich 5y ago
        I am not part of it. You come to ad hominem rather quickly.
- viraptor 5y ago
  It's not an oversimplification - it doesn't matter what the project did before. People always have the option not to use it. Harassing people because they don't run the project as you want cannot be excused.
- cortesoft 5y ago
  What was the most popular name they rejected?
  - kemayo 5y ago
    The Register article [1] says that it was Sneedacity, apparently a Simpsons reference. This is, I think it's fair to say, a worse name than the one which was chosen. [1] https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/07/tenacity_maintainer_quits_4chan_harassment/ https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/07/tenacity_maintainer_q...
    - mcguire 5y ago
      Also, according to the 4chan thread I saw, short for "special needs".
      - acdha 5y ago
        That’s like when they said GamerGate was about journalistic ethics: a transparent lie to elicit sympathy. It doesn’t even make sense: what would that mean in this context? It’s not like they forked it because they were concerned about accessibility. As you can tell from the cartoon and organization name, it’s a 4chan meme based on a Simpsons episode: https://github.com/Sneeds-Feed-and-Seed/sneedacity https://github.com/Sneeds-Feed-and-Seed/sneedacity https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sneeds-feed-and-seed https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sneeds-feed-and-seed
        kbenson 5y ago
        The sneedacity fork came as a response to not accepting the name in the poll in the tenacity fork, did it not? Covering up what was originally a more objectionable suggestion with indicators later that it was more benign is what I would consider SOP for something like this. That doesn't mean it is the more alleged meaning, but I wouldn't take anything from the sneedacity fork as an indicator it isn't/wasn't for that reason. Edit: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sneed https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sneed has evidence both ways as to what it might have meant. If it truly originated on 4chan, I know which one I think is more likely though...
- tw04 5y ago
  You’re seriously trying to justify ANY harassment by saying they took a poll of popular names and then chose one the 4chan trolls didn’t like? Who cares if they chose the least popular name? That’s their choice. Grow up, you don’t always get your way, that’s part of life.
- mcguire 5y ago
  Was that "Sneedacity" from 4chan?
- 29athrowaway 5y ago
  Then fork it and use whatever name you want. That is not an excuse to assault a person with a butterfly knife, wtf.
  - theHIDninja 5y ago
    He was never assaulted by anybody with a butter knife. This entire controversy was contrived to make 4chan look worse than they are.
    - 29athrowaway 5y ago
      Butterfly knives are not butter knives. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_knife https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_knife https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butter_knife https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butter_knife Then, the guy did suffer a bodily injury (arm was slit) and the police got involved.
- zxzax 5y ago
  You really do not need to go to bat for 4chan trolls. There are much better ways to spend one's time.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
ushakov 5y ago
in the news: https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/07/tenacity_maintainer_quits_4chan_harassment/ https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/07/tenacity_maintainer_q...
- sneak 5y ago
  > "I really thought long about this, and I haven't slept in two days due to ongoing harassments of 4chan," cookiengineer claimed in a post to the Tenacity GitHub Issues page some 13 hours ago. "As the first people were literally arriving at my place of living, where they knocked on my doors and windows to scare us, I am hereby officially stepping down as a maintainer of this project. > "The safety of my family is worth more than an open source project. They found out my address via a YouTube video where someone was posting my nickname combined with my real legal name (which meanwhile got taken down due to my asking). The incident happened shortly 23:00 CEST [21:00 UTC], today; and the police took over this case." And people call me "paranoid" when I go to inconvenient-but-practicible lengths to keep my dox off the internet.
  - dylan604 5y ago
    Holy jeebus fuck!! People need to find another hobby. I am not discounting the effects of the harrasment. Shit online is one thing, but once they start coming to people's place of living is an entirely different thing altogether. That's beyond ridiculous, and I really hope the police take this seriously. I'm going through similiar/different home harrasment issues, and I can definitely sympathize. Doing this shit because someone with a software package does something you don't agree with? Really sounds like mental problems to me, as that's the only thing I can think of. Rational people don't do that.
    - sneak 5y ago
      Sure, but irrational people with mental problems exist in the world which we inhabit, and we have to plan for their existence and behavior.
    - shrimp_emoji 5y ago
deleted 5y ago
[deleted]
theHIDninja 5y ago
Do not believe his lies. Here is what actually happened: >some web developer named cookiengineer on GitHub forks Audacity despite it being written in C >makes a poll for how the fork should be named as a GitHub issue where you vote with reactions >someone suggests "Sneedacity" and cookie adds it to the poll >anon that suggested sneedacity makes thread on /g/ telling people to vote for it >people vote >a couple idiots spam sneed >cookiengineer turns out to be mentally ill >claims that 4chan is harassing him >makes it sound like all 200,000+ active 4chan users are after his life >posts on Twitter and HackerNews >claims that 4chan found his phone number and address >nobody posted about that in any of the Sneedacity threads on /g/ >claims that he was mass-called and got spammed SMS on his Pinephone™ >first says on Twitter that he's glad his Pinephone™ didn't crash >then when a well-disguised /g/ troll asks him on his HackerNews thread the list of phone numbers that spammed him (pretended that he wanted to block them on his phone), he said that his Pinephone™ couldn't handle all the calls and SMS and kept crashing so he "had to reflash the device" >actively contradicts himself >deletes his tweets when people show that he's contradicting them >sneedacity devs actually fixing bugs instead of bickering with themselves, audacium imports the fix to their own fork, still not fixed in cookie's fork >steps down of his Audacity fork, claiming that it's for his family's safety >asks people to mass-report the Sneeds-Feed-and-Seed/sneedacity GitHub repo (/g/ ended up making its own Audacity fork) and its contributors, which is a violation of the GitHub Community Guidelines >claims that 4chan stabbed him with a butterfly knife (no joke) >reporter wants to take cookie's side, decides against it after talking with cookie due to insufficient evidence >sneedacity won, a second poll was made, sneedacity won again, a third poll was made with a special exception for sneedacity and sneed-related suggestions >mods in HN, reddit and the GH repo actively deleting, flagging and (in github's case) banning users that go against cookie's narrative >FUD and misinfo easily gets past normalfags who get their news from said sites and certain news outlets >devmuskelon (started the SIMP fork) and ishimotoshinobu (both active during the early hours of the fork) shadowbanned by github, PR/issues comments and threads wiped clean without a trace (commits show their names as "user") https://archive.is/8nvg9 https://archive.is/8nvg9 https://archive.is/3uldh https://archive.is/3uldh https://archive.is/g4HPo https://archive.is/g4HPo https://web.archive.org/web/20210706000825/https://twitter.com/cookiengineer/status/1412201646378131459 https://web.archive.org/web/20210706000825/https://twitter.c... https://archive.is/5rNjh https://archive.is/5rNjh https://archive.is/1zo9J https://archive.is/1zo9J https://archive.is/nTBZO https://archive.is/nTBZO
justshowpost 5y ago
> after a harassment campaign After alleged harassment campaign. What we know for sure is the following – the former maintainer ran poll for github's users opinion on the project name, added «sneedacity» as valid choice, and then... declared the poll results invalid blaming foreign influence for the winner as well as for subsequent criticism. Even up-to-date The Register article states: 'a search of the forum shows no evidence of cookiengineer's address details being shared nor calls for physical violence'. How comes what there is a proof of genuine Jenna Jameson visit to /b/ while absolutely no evidence to back up the claims for very recent event?
- Wowfunhappy 5y ago
  Let's go through the possibilities here: --- 1) The maintainer is telling the truth, and I assume they're lying. The maintainer's life is now even worse, because not only do they fear for their safety, but no one even believes it's happening! --- 2) The maintainer is lying, and I believe them. I guess I'll end up feeling unnecessarily sorry for someone? I'm having trouble seeing the negative consequences here. --- Suffice to say, I'd much rather just take their story at face value.
  - justshowpost 5y ago
    > I'm having trouble seeing the negative consequences here. Well... being easily manipulated into believing the hoax and taking a side in silly fork war. And implicitly approving what rigged poll is just fine for community. I don't want to condemn anyone nor to clear anyone, but your analysis is binary and misses two important cases ③ maintainer didn't lie, just exaggerated things a bit, ④ exploiting public fears about 4chan.
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      As someone who spent too much time on 4chan a long time ago, public fears are mostly accurate. The maintainer filed a police report for what it's worth, so any evidence beyond what's been provided and which is already more than enough will come out in court and not before.

legostormtroopr 5y ago

This is a gross oversimplification of the matter. This fork asked the public for names (mistake) and when they didn't like the most popular name they disqualfied it, and labelled any attempts to ask why as trolling. Given that the Tenacity team wanted to be a fork for everyone, having their first action be refusing a popular vote was a bad look and things allegedly escalated from there.

Arnavion 5y ago
To be clear, regardless of whether they did an internet poll properly or not, doling out physical violence because of it was not justified in any way.
- gsich 5y ago
  I don't know if there is evidence for that.
  - Arnavion 5y ago
    Sure, I'm not saying I have any. The original post already said "allegedly" so I didn't feel the need to repeat it.
  - user-the-name 5y ago
    Every single time 4chan or one of its offspring cause real-world damage, the first thing its users will say is always "there is no evidence". Every single time. Happened when KiwiFarms drove an innocent person to suicide a few weeks back as well. It is cowardly and disgusting, and I do not want to hear it ever again.
    - newfriend 5y ago
      there is no evidence
      - Bancakes 5y ago
        That's crazy escapist talk. Can you put 2 and 2 together?
      - user-the-name 5y ago
        Coward.
    - gsich 5y ago
      So where is it?
      - user-the-name 5y ago
        Coward.
        gsich 5y ago
        If you think so. But who cares? The trustworthiness of the author decreased when he deleted posts on HN claiming his Pinephone hanged, which unfortunateley deleted evidence.
        user-the-name 5y ago
        Your trustworthiness is through the absolute floor already and I am really not believing a single word you say. You are part of a massively toxic group and making excuses for it.
        gsich 5y ago
        I am not part of it. You come to ad hominem rather quickly.
viraptor 5y ago
It's not an oversimplification - it doesn't matter what the project did before. People always have the option not to use it. Harassing people because they don't run the project as you want cannot be excused.
cortesoft 5y ago
What was the most popular name they rejected?
- kemayo 5y ago
  The Register article [1] says that it was Sneedacity, apparently a Simpsons reference. This is, I think it's fair to say, a worse name than the one which was chosen. [1] https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/07/tenacity_maintainer_quits_4chan_harassment/ https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/07/tenacity_maintainer_q...
  - mcguire 5y ago
    Also, according to the 4chan thread I saw, short for "special needs".
    - acdha 5y ago
      That’s like when they said GamerGate was about journalistic ethics: a transparent lie to elicit sympathy. It doesn’t even make sense: what would that mean in this context? It’s not like they forked it because they were concerned about accessibility. As you can tell from the cartoon and organization name, it’s a 4chan meme based on a Simpsons episode: https://github.com/Sneeds-Feed-and-Seed/sneedacity https://github.com/Sneeds-Feed-and-Seed/sneedacity https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sneeds-feed-and-seed https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sneeds-feed-and-seed
      - kbenson 5y ago
        The sneedacity fork came as a response to not accepting the name in the poll in the tenacity fork, did it not? Covering up what was originally a more objectionable suggestion with indicators later that it was more benign is what I would consider SOP for something like this. That doesn't mean it is the more alleged meaning, but I wouldn't take anything from the sneedacity fork as an indicator it isn't/wasn't for that reason. Edit: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sneed https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sneed has evidence both ways as to what it might have meant. If it truly originated on 4chan, I know which one I think is more likely though...
tw04 5y ago
You’re seriously trying to justify ANY harassment by saying they took a poll of popular names and then chose one the 4chan trolls didn’t like? Who cares if they chose the least popular name? That’s their choice. Grow up, you don’t always get your way, that’s part of life.
mcguire 5y ago
Was that "Sneedacity" from 4chan?
29athrowaway 5y ago
Then fork it and use whatever name you want. That is not an excuse to assault a person with a butterfly knife, wtf.
- theHIDninja 5y ago
  He was never assaulted by anybody with a butter knife. This entire controversy was contrived to make 4chan look worse than they are.
  - 29athrowaway 5y ago
    Butterfly knives are not butter knives. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_knife https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_knife https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butter_knife https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butter_knife Then, the guy did suffer a bodily injury (arm was slit) and the police got involved.
zxzax 5y ago
You really do not need to go to bat for 4chan trolls. There are much better ways to spend one's time.
deleted 5y ago
[deleted]

ushakov 5y ago

in the news: https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/07/tenacity_maintainer_quits_4chan_harassment/ https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/07/tenacity_maintainer_q...

sneak 5y ago
> "I really thought long about this, and I haven't slept in two days due to ongoing harassments of 4chan," cookiengineer claimed in a post to the Tenacity GitHub Issues page some 13 hours ago. "As the first people were literally arriving at my place of living, where they knocked on my doors and windows to scare us, I am hereby officially stepping down as a maintainer of this project. > "The safety of my family is worth more than an open source project. They found out my address via a YouTube video where someone was posting my nickname combined with my real legal name (which meanwhile got taken down due to my asking). The incident happened shortly 23:00 CEST [21:00 UTC], today; and the police took over this case." And people call me "paranoid" when I go to inconvenient-but-practicible lengths to keep my dox off the internet.
- dylan604 5y ago
  Holy jeebus fuck!! People need to find another hobby. I am not discounting the effects of the harrasment. Shit online is one thing, but once they start coming to people's place of living is an entirely different thing altogether. That's beyond ridiculous, and I really hope the police take this seriously. I'm going through similiar/different home harrasment issues, and I can definitely sympathize. Doing this shit because someone with a software package does something you don't agree with? Really sounds like mental problems to me, as that's the only thing I can think of. Rational people don't do that.
  - sneak 5y ago
    Sure, but irrational people with mental problems exist in the world which we inhabit, and we have to plan for their existence and behavior.
  - shrimp_emoji 5y ago

deleted 5y ago

[deleted]

theHIDninja 5y ago

Do not believe his lies. Here is what actually happened: >some web developer named cookiengineer on GitHub forks Audacity despite it being written in C >makes a poll for how the fork should be named as a GitHub issue where you vote with reactions >someone suggests "Sneedacity" and cookie adds it to the poll >anon that suggested sneedacity makes thread on /g/ telling people to vote for it >people vote >a couple idiots spam sneed >cookiengineer turns out to be mentally ill >claims that 4chan is harassing him >makes it sound like all 200,000+ active 4chan users are after his life >posts on Twitter and HackerNews >claims that 4chan found his phone number and address >nobody posted about that in any of the Sneedacity threads on /g/ >claims that he was mass-called and got spammed SMS on his Pinephone™ >first says on Twitter that he's glad his Pinephone™ didn't crash >then when a well-disguised /g/ troll asks him on his HackerNews thread the list of phone numbers that spammed him (pretended that he wanted to block them on his phone), he said that his Pinephone™ couldn't handle all the calls and SMS and kept crashing so he "had to reflash the device" >actively contradicts himself >deletes his tweets when people show that he's contradicting them >sneedacity devs actually fixing bugs instead of bickering with themselves, audacium imports the fix to their own fork, still not fixed in cookie's fork >steps down of his Audacity fork, claiming that it's for his family's safety >asks people to mass-report the Sneeds-Feed-and-Seed/sneedacity GitHub repo (/g/ ended up making its own Audacity fork) and its contributors, which is a violation of the GitHub Community Guidelines >claims that 4chan stabbed him with a butterfly knife (no joke) >reporter wants to take cookie's side, decides against it after talking with cookie due to insufficient evidence >sneedacity won, a second poll was made, sneedacity won again, a third poll was made with a special exception for sneedacity and sneed-related suggestions >mods in HN, reddit and the GH repo actively deleting, flagging and (in github's case) banning users that go against cookie's narrative >FUD and misinfo easily gets past normalfags who get their news from said sites and certain news outlets >devmuskelon (started the SIMP fork) and ishimotoshinobu (both active during the early hours of the fork) shadowbanned by github, PR/issues comments and threads wiped clean without a trace (commits show their names as "user") https://archive.is/8nvg9 https://archive.is/8nvg9 https://archive.is/3uldh https://archive.is/3uldh https://archive.is/g4HPo https://archive.is/g4HPo https://web.archive.org/web/20210706000825/https://twitter.com/cookiengineer/status/1412201646378131459 https://web.archive.org/web/20210706000825/https://twitter.c... https://archive.is/5rNjh https://archive.is/5rNjh https://archive.is/1zo9J https://archive.is/1zo9J https://archive.is/nTBZO https://archive.is/nTBZO

justshowpost 5y ago

> after a harassment campaign After alleged harassment campaign. What we know for sure is the following – the former maintainer ran poll for github's users opinion on the project name, added «sneedacity» as valid choice, and then... declared the poll results invalid blaming foreign influence for the winner as well as for subsequent criticism. Even up-to-date The Register article states: 'a search of the forum shows no evidence of cookiengineer's address details being shared nor calls for physical violence'. How comes what there is a proof of genuine Jenna Jameson visit to /b/ while absolutely no evidence to back up the claims for very recent event?

Wowfunhappy 5y ago
Let's go through the possibilities here: --- 1) The maintainer is telling the truth, and I assume they're lying. The maintainer's life is now even worse, because not only do they fear for their safety, but no one even believes it's happening! --- 2) The maintainer is lying, and I believe them. I guess I'll end up feeling unnecessarily sorry for someone? I'm having trouble seeing the negative consequences here. --- Suffice to say, I'd much rather just take their story at face value.
- justshowpost 5y ago
  > I'm having trouble seeing the negative consequences here. Well... being easily manipulated into believing the hoax and taking a side in silly fork war. And implicitly approving what rigged poll is just fine for community. I don't want to condemn anyone nor to clear anyone, but your analysis is binary and misses two important cases ③ maintainer didn't lie, just exaggerated things a bit, ④ exploiting public fears about 4chan.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    As someone who spent too much time on 4chan a long time ago, public fears are mostly accurate. The maintainer filed a police report for what it's worth, so any evidence beyond what's been provided and which is already more than enough will come out in court and not before.