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Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils
- SteveNuts 5y agoI have a strange feeling that the next version will be based on Linux kernel
- xianwen 5y agoYou might just be right.
- tapoxi 5y agoWhy? The Linux kernel is GPL and that move would anger a lot of Windows driver developers who need to support a shim or release their source.
- swiley 5y agoTheir newest tablet already ships with Android and not windows (which uses Linux in all its GPL goodness.) I wouldn't be surprised if they just started shipping Android with some wine-like backwards compatibility environment. It sounds crappy but have you used Windows lately? You can tell that they know it's a dead end.
- tapoxi 5y agoIsn't Google looking to replace Android with Fuchsia?
- usrusr 5y agoTrue, the only way I could see that happen is if they not only include a compatibility layer for the application side but also a way for the kernel to host old Windows driver binaries. No idea how easy, difficult or completely impossible that would be.
- tpxl 5y agoYou can have proprietary drivers even though the Linux kernel is GPL.
- phendrenad2 5y agoThat's legally debatable and while nvidia just goes ahead and does it, not all companies are as willing to step into legally-murky territory.
- TazeTSchnitzel 5y agoWhy would they throw away all driver compatibility and force themselves to rewrite all the userland libraries?
- hatch_q 5y agoWith Intel's acquisition of SiFive... for Windows to support RISC V they'd need to do that anyway. They did it for ARM64 (partially) and are struggling. They have to do bunch of stuff via emulation instead.
- raxxorrax 5y agoWindows on ARM wasn't really a success story. Don't know if I would be so enthusiastic about RISC V. I would like it, we need more open hardware. But I have no illusion that vendors like Microsoft, Google or Apple will first try to find a way to lock their systems down.
- TazeTSchnitzel 5y agoEh, not really. Windows NT has always been designed for multiple architectures. Well-written applications (and to some extent drivers) just need recompiling for the new architecture. Changing to a completely different kernel would be something else.
- xxs 5y agoTotally agree and I think Windows based on Linux kernel makes no sense... yet imagine the year of the Linux desktop coming true for real?
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y agoEven if they moved to the Linux kernel, which I think is incredibly unlikely and undesirable, they would have to replace so much of the disparately developed (and quite garbage) Linux Desktop userspace that you couldn't call it Linux Desktop any more than you could say the same about Android.
- duttaditya18 5y agoMicrosoft would never make the base of their system open source. It is fundamentally opposite to how Microsoft does business.
- hatch_q 5y agoIt wouldn't need to be open source. They would make closed-source distro with custom kernel modules and packages. Just like MacOS.
- TonyTrapp 5y agoDarwin is BSD-licensed (it's a FreeBSD derivative after all), that's a huge difference to the copyleft GPL license of the Linux kernel. See e.g. the VMware vs Linux story for the implications of that.
- yjftsjthsd-h 5y agoMacOS isn't Linux-based.
- TonyTrapp 5y agoAll the stuff they have recently released as open-source speaks otherwise. The problem why they will most likely never be able to open-source Windows is rather that they bought a lot of third-party components for the system that they simply aren't allowed to open-source. They'd probably have to rebuild half of the system to be able to open-source it, and that's the unlikely part.
- yjftsjthsd-h 5y agoI'm pretty sure there's even pieces of the broader system that they don't have source to outright; pinball was an example, and that one piece of Office... equation editor? Anyways, right; even if they absolutely wanted to open source everything right now, they certainly don't have ownership of everything needed to do that, and while they probably have the actual code for most things it's not necessarily guaranteed.
- nightski 5y agoWhat is it in tech with this obsession with consolidation? Alternatives and competition is healthy and as much as I love Linux the NT kernel is a fantastic piece of engineering as well.
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- marcodiego 5y agoDoing that would take years of effort, I don't think they would be capable of keeping such a secret for so long.
- whatever1 5y agoAnd then have a trillion vendors messing with forked forks of the kernel that nobody knows how to merge. No thanks.
- selfhoster11 5y agoForce the bastards to open and include their drivers in the mainline kernel or perish as Microsoft bars them from supporting Windows. They would trip over themselves to do just that.
- rightbyte 5y ago"a more modern look and a redesigned Start menu" Oh please no. Hopefully the new OS will lead to less updates for Windows 10 being force pushed to my computer.
- philipov 5y agoNot likely. Forced updates are an "engagement mechanic."
- TeMPOraL 5y agoOnly thing missing is for them to start signing system files with a short-lived certificate, to force people to run updates every couple weeks. Yes, I'm still bitter about my Windows Insider experience. On the one hand, it's kind of my fault - I signed up for testing the beta release. On the other hand, holy shit. I dual-boot, and I didn't log into Windows for some ~3 months, during which my Insider build expired. After that, when I finally did try booting to Windows, I was greeted with a completely bricked, unrecoverable system: core DLLs had expired certificates, and _nothing_ would start, as code signing checks failed. (This was a Windows 10 upgraded from Windows 8, and it was past the free upgrade period, so I ended up buying a new Windows 10 license. So in the end, they've managed to make money off me with this.)
- tyingq 5y agoIt's not clear where the reporter got the "redesigned start menu" idea from. Reads like it's just their personal guess. I'm also not clear on why the Win10 start menu got so much hate. I delete all the tiles and it then seems not much different than prior start menus.
- simonh 5y agoWell, the first problem with the Start menu is there are two of them. But for example, a user wants to look up or change something to do with the configuration. How do they go about choosing which of these to try on the right-click Start menu: System, Device Manager, Computer Management, Settings.
- gtirloni 5y agoWindows Lifecycle policy: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-...
- dkdbejwi383 5y agoIt'll probably just be "Windows" and will continue to be updated every 6 months like Windows 10 currently is. I think this was the intention with Windows 10 anyway, hence the "last version of Windows" stuff. I wonder if this next version of Windows is an attempt to throw off some of the bad rap Windows 10's gotten with the "forced updates", unpopular Start menu design, ads on the lock screen, bundled shitware games, etc.
- ahelwer 5y agoI've especially not enjoyed Windows occasionally hijacking the post-login screen to try to convince me to enable Cortana or whatever. The most frustrating thing is the only options when presented with the window were "Continue" or "Remind in 3 Days", rather than "Fuck Off". This abuse of user agency & consent is disgusting and ubiquitous in big tech. Video games are the only thing keeping me on windows, plus last time I tried to set up a dual-boot with Ubuntu I somehow trashed the boot process of both OSs.
- samsa 5y agoMacOS does this with “enable Siri” after every update and annoys me to no end.
- mstipetic 5y agoI now have PopOS and steam is running most games no problem. I’m very pleasantly surprised how well it works
- ahelwer 5y agoI've heard good things about proton. I also have some games outside of steam on gog and epic, does it work with those too? How about streaming the games to an Nvidia shield on a nearby TV?
- tpxl 5y ago> I also have some games outside of steam on gog and epic, does it work with those too? It should since it uses Wine under the hood, but the ease of use is obviously way worse.
- gtirloni 5y agoInnovation is good and Windows will have had a 10 year run. I think that's enough. I just hope they don't pull a Windows 8 again with Windows 11.
- kalleboo 5y agoWhy does it just feel like Microsoft is copying Apple? When Microsoft launched Windows 10 it seemed like MacOS was going to stay at 10 forever. Now that macOS has moved on to 11, but is commonly only known by named releases, Microsoft is going to do the same... I'm looking forward to the next Windows being named after natural features of Washington state
- olivierestsage 5y agoYou could say the same thing in reverse with the Surface Pro preceding the iPad Pro with its keyboard and stylus, though. Disclaimer: not a Microsoft fanboy, just intensely skeptical of both of these corporations in general.
- nxc18 5y agoCopying Apple would have involved announcing their new OS at their major developer conference and Microsoft couldn’t even pull that off… what a joke
- anotherhue 5y agoWell if the current nostalgia trend is anything to go by, maybe they'll Remaster Windows 2000
- gambiting 5y agoThe dream
- MrBuddyCasino 5y agoDon't get my hopes up.
- dusted 5y agoI'd pay good money for a 1:1 Windows 2000 Pro, where the ONLY thing they've done is update whatever it is that needs updating to also run the new programs.
- ginko 5y agoSupport for more than 2 processors would be nice as well.
- pcdoodle 5y agoTake my money!
- xeromal 5y agoIf they remastered Windows XP, I'd dig it. Some of my favorite old tech memories were finding bootleg versions of XP with the shitty MIDI key gen and installing it with an all black theme and windows update removed. lol
- knolan 5y agoMicrosoft really needs to consider building a completely new OS that doesn’t have the legacy issues that plague Windows 10. It feels like the paint cracks off as you root around each generation of interface. By all means keep a LTS version of Windows, but draw a line.
- stingraycharles 5y agoI understand what you mean but one of the powers of Microsoft is, in fact, their extreme backwards compatibility and it would be very damaging if they chose to throw that out of the window.
- ThomasWinwood 5y agoThey could do what Apple did and provide a Windows compatibility layer which gets progressively more buried as old software gets replaced until it's just kept around for the weird stuff that never gets properly updated because it's maintained by a rotating set of undergrads.
- hughrr 5y agoThey tried that with the App Store stuff. That was supposed to be the new world. But it wasn’t compelling, the store sucked and still does today and it was and still is like wading in excrement working on that side of things.
- fnordsensei 5y agoThen it seems like a problem with execution rather than a fundamental problem with the concept. Especially with Apple as a largely successful counterexample.
- hughrr 5y agoOh yes exactly that. It's a terrible execution of a good idea.
- artificialLimbs 5y ago>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows clients as offline even though their internet connection is functioning normally, has trouble putting my laptop to sleep when I shut the lid (with ALL programs closed), and the recent 21H1 update caused a number of blue screens across our fleet. Just fix your damn mess before you "hail a new era in personal computing", Micosoft.
- TonyTrapp 5y agoYou know, I wouldn't even mind about telemetry in the calculator if that would have told them that I activate Programmer Mode a whole lot through the Alt+3 shortcut, and that my muscle memory of 20 years was completely ruined by them moving the Programmer Mode to Alt+4 for GUI consistency (after they added a new Graphing Mode that they wanted to stick right next to the Scientific Mode).
- 0-_-0 5y agoOh, there is a graph mode? Nevermind, I just crashed it with "sin(x)sin(y)<0"
- whoopdedo 5y agoMicrosoft doing in 2021, what Apple did in 1999. (Microsoft PowerToys for XP had a graphing calculator but it doesn't support inequalities.) I coincidentally had to fire up Sheepshaver recently so I've got it on hand. I put that inequality in the MacOS 8 Graphing Calculator and it gave me a nice looking checkerboard. Except I had to write it as "sin(x)sin(y)<0" or else it would think I meant "sin(xsin(y))<0", which is pretty itself.
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- neilsimp1 5y agoWell, we all know the every-other-version-of-Windows-rule: Windows 2000 - Good Windows ME - Bad Windows XP - Good Windows Vista - Bad Windows 7 - Good Windows 8 - Bad Windows 10 - Good Windows 11 - ????
- tomxor 5y agoor Linux + Official Windows API? :D you never know
- mattowen_uk 5y agoIs there RemoteApp ability in any of the linux RDP clients? If so, there's the option of running Windows in a VM on your Linux machine, and having seamless Windows apps on your Linux desktop. It's a bit like what MS are going to offer with their WSL, but in reverse. I've never tried it, but it might work, and give people the best of both worlds.
- tomxor 5y agoWSL is not really virtualised, it's a linux kernel translation layer for linux userland (which is why it's not actually letting you use linux at all, it's allowing you to run GNU and some linux programs). What I mean is the reverse, running win programs on Linux without virtualisation, like WINE, but official win libs. Imagine MS porting the _official_ windows libs to linux and FOSSing them so we don't have to play WINE roulette and get some official compatibility. It's not inconceivable, MS already realises their future is in SaaS, not desktop OS, this is an opportunity for them to finally throw in the towel and focus on their future. ... but it's probably not gona happen, they can easily keep eating the cost of windows and keep it as leverage just in-case, user experience be damned.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y agoWhat you're saying about WSL was true of WSL 1, but WSL 2 is a virtualized Linux kernel.
- dusted 5y agoAm I the only one thinking "oh no, not again".. just finish the damn os already
- hughrr 5y agoNo that’s the first thing I thought as well. They have a lot of people concentrating on the things they don’t need to be done and very few on the things that do need to be done.
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- DethNinja 5y agoWindows architecture is a mess, I wish more software companies would support Linux as cross platform compatibility gets easier each day but that doesn’t seem to be case. Unfortunately it is really hard for game development companies to develop on Linux as most of the software used by artists require Windows to function. Hopefully one day my company will be able ditch Windows completely but it might take another decade.
- toivo 5y agoKrita and blender are really good open source software for graphic artists so the situation is not all bad.
- raxxorrax 5y agoSeriously. I think it is just momentum that keeps people in a parasitic relationship with Adobe. Print isn't that relevant today and even that is no issue for alternatives. I just use both in a non-professional manner, but they are extremely dependable tools. I use them on Apple devices too. They even run perfectly on an M1 with an emulation layer. Really good performance. Next notebook is probably a Linux device again, but designers and artists have a lot of choice today.
- est31 5y agoThe problem is not the software the artists use. I'm sure that Google designers use Mac too even though Google is a Linux shop. The problem is the extremely tiny market that Linux users represent. Plus issues with drivers, binary compatibility between releases, etc.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y agoI can't take anyone seriously who says "Windows architecture is a mess" in the same breath as they promote Linux Desktop, an architecture with no consistent userspace by design.
- FranchuFranchu 5y agoFreedesktop and POSIX are quite consistent.
- hoppyhoppy2 5y agoSee also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27476032 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27476032 from 4 days ago here on HN
- ArkanExplorer 5y agoWhat happened to the rumours that Microsoft was making a Windows Wrapper on top of the Linux kernel? https://www.zdnet.com/article/open-sources-eric-raymond-windows-10-will-soon-be-just-an-emulation-layer-on-linux-kernel/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/open-sources-eric-raymond-wind...
- selfhoster11 5y agoAka the Windows Subsystem for Linux, except the right way around
- catblast01 5y agoThey had no credibility to begin with, just an old man yelling at the clouds.
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- 0xbadcafebee 5y agoTo be fair, Linux distros change even faster than that, but it's pretty annoying that neither of them can make a single version that lasts more than a decade. I don't want to keep upgrading software my whole life, as if I need a new hammer every few years because nails keep "innovating"
- testific8 5y agoYou could use a rolling-release distro, but it means you are still updating like every year or so (although in more of a ship-of-theseus fashion).
- ajdoingnothing 5y agoI'm staying away from Windows as much as I can. The Windows 10 home edition is so bloated with nonsense applications (of which some can't be removed directly). Also, it is odd that there are still some icons and popups that have this old Vista (and sometimes even 98) style. So incredibly messy. The entire thing feels like an American commercial during the super bowl. Bleh. I truly believe that my hardware running a Linux OS gets to live a longer, healthier and happier life than if it was running a Windows OS.
- mirker 5y agoA family member had a slow windows install. I checked the system utilization, suspecting paging. Guess what: 3/4 GB of the laptop were used by windows, leaving 1GB for all other applications. Apparently, deprecation via automatic updates is in, and it comes with candy crush. I installed Ubuntu 10 minutes later.
- dehrmann 5y ago4 GB, especially if you don't have an SSD, isn't really enough for Windows 10. > I installed Ubuntu I did this once and regretted it. Except for OS itself, nothing quite worked reliably, and you're basically the only person who can help them if it has problems.
- mirker 5y agoThe problem is low-end laptops ship with Windows barely working, then Windows inevitably bloats itself and more-or-less bricks the device. I agree that many won’t like Linux due to it being different, but it’s at least functional in this case. The web browser feels the same, at least, which is enough for casual users.
- fsflover 5y agoWorked fine for my case, no problems were reported.
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- dustinmoris 5y agoGood lord, and we thought that the pandemic was the worst to hit us this decade.
- Jedd 5y agoIt's an interesting experiment to ask the average Microsoft Windows user to identify - let's say 5 things - in their current workflows, that they couldn't do in Microsoft Windows XP (or 7, etc - pick the subject's age-appropriate release). Similarly for versions of Microsoft Office products.
- Nav_Panel 5y agoLiterally nothing, IME... XP would be great to have back. (then again, I mostly run Ubuntu for work, so not exactly an "average" Windows user...)
- beart 5y agoVirtual Desktops Hyper-v Default notepad that understands linux style line endings Default ISO mounting support without having to download sketchy tools Default ZIP support without having to download winrar
- Jedd 5y agoThanks for the thoughtful list. At the risk of sounding churlish, the last three can be done on earlier versions of Microsoft Windows, for varying degrees of downloading 'sketchy tools'. Notepad.exe upgrade occurred last year I think? But one feels like Microsoft could have done that at any time in the past 3 decades. I suspect anyone who was hurt by this was likely to long since shifted to Notepad++. Virtual Desktops are indeed a compelling feature, which I've relied on with KDE since last century -- though I still haven't tried them on a Windows box. Hyper-V -- I've used this a few times on Windows 10, though I believe it's not available on the most common version of the OS, right? I'm using Pro and Education versions - which do have the feature. Luckily I said compared to Windows XP, because Hyper-V's been available since Windows 8 / Server 2008.
- infinitezest 5y agoMy guess is that most users of Windows won't even know what items 2-4 even mean much less find them a boon to their every day workflows. They're nice but they don't seem like the sort of things that couldn't just be added to XP/7.
- everyone 5y ago@Everyone 'Windows 10 LTSB' is the secret good user-focused version of Windows 10. It doesnt come with any shit on it (windows store, metro, xboxlive, cortana etc etc.) MS have also promised It will not receive any updates that change its functionality but will receive security updates, for 10 years. You can only get it if u buy in bulk tho. Or, u can just get it from tpb.. Considering MS are intentionally not selling by far the most user-respecting version of their OS to regular folks, it behooves us to pirate it.
- ocdtrekkie 5y agoHonestly, HN may want to just consider banning any site that runs this news article from being posted on HN, because this claim is basically proof they did not do even cursory research before posting. Here's the 2015 story covering this date announcement, which bears no relation to recent rumors at all: https://www.ghacks.net/2015/07/20/microsoft-to-support-windows-10-until-at-least-2025/ https://www.ghacks.net/2015/07/20/microsoft-to-support-windo...
- yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago> October 13, 2020 marks the end of mainstream support. Pretty sure that article's been out of date for a while.
- ocdtrekkie 5y agoSo, it's basically just the default commitment Microsoft makes for new Windows versions, according to their Lifecycle Policy. It doesn't reflect the Windows-as-a-Service model at all, so is almost certainly not relevant to their actual plans. The newer understanding is that Microsoft will release a new feature update every 6 months, and support each of them for 18 months. Almost certainly, this big refresh being announced soon will continue that model: All Windows 10 PCs will be eligible, support for existing releases will be for 18 months from their release, etc.
- onychomys 5y agoYou want to ban.....the BBC?
- ocdtrekkie 5y agoI mean, this is an example of where their technology reporting isn't even close to adequate. They're reporting an 11 year old fact as "news", that doesn't actually reflect the reality of today. For a technology-focused community, BBC reporting on technology isn't adequate. And a bunch of blogspam articles have "covered" this "news" as well. I think it's a sign of bad journalism.
- savrajsingh 5y agoI wonder if they will force you to have a Microsoft account with the next OS release. So far, you can avoid it (if you try) on windows 10.
- dm319 5y agoPeople talking about dark patterns here - but the dark patterns to persuade you that you need a microsoft account to install Win10 is awful! And to add salt to the wound, the way microsoft accounts are managed on Win10 especially with MS Teams is a total mess.
- Saris 5y agoYes it's crazy how hard they work to hide the local account option.
- nottorp 5y agoBut but... I just installed Windows 10 last year! How am I going to get used to it now, if they're already replacing it?
- OliverJones 5y agoHmmm. Their customers for Windows are large orgs -- enterprises, universities, governments. This is going to drive them crazy. Again.
- tonyedgecombe 5y agoI often wonder if this is why it has never felt great for the actual users. That it is too compromised by the need to satisfy enterprise clients and home users. Apple is pretty good at ignoring enterprise demands and I think it shows in their products.
- Ccecil 5y agoFunny story. Most recent Windows10 update broke Fusion360's ability to do some things. In my case (and that of my customer) it crashed every time we went to export the CAM processor for the PCB export in the electronics section. Happened after Saturday's big update too. But if I use Win7 it exports just fine...even though there is big flags everywhere saying don't use Win7 with Fusion. The only reason I don't go to linux entirely is software like Fusion360 which are windows/mac primarily. Kicad is already better than Eagle for electronics design (especially 5.99) and I have some hope that Freecad will do some updates which will make it a serious competitor in the CAD field.
- Saris 5y agoBasically the same boat here, good modern cad software is still a windows only thing. I've used freecad and and it.. works for simple stuff, but it has a really long way to go.
- BrandoElFollito 5y agoI like Windows as an end-user OS. Works with all my equipment. The only horribly annoying feature is the lack of borders around windows which sometimes make it very, very difficult to distinguish two overlapping windows. I am a heavy user of Linux in the back (all my servers and containers run some kind of Linux since '93) and I desperately tried to use it on the desktop but is it a big pile of crap. SO I will live in that duality forever (I do not like macOS)
- ketzu 5y agoI feel the same way. I switched my work machine to windows after I couldn't get displayport chaining to work consistently under linux and had to plug in my monitors in a specific order after booting. Windows is by no means perfect. A bit overly provocative: With windows, if something is bad it is microsofts fault, with linux it's a user error. I don't like ads in the operating system (but I see it is hard to find a path to commercialize a consumer OS). But I also liked windows 8.
- BrandoElFollito 5y agoI liked all of Windows, mostly because I am interested in technology and it was always a big thing to install the OS and see it working on my PC. As for Linux, I am trying every year or so to run it on the desktop and everytime nothing works as expected. It is either the wake up that dos not trigger one of the screens, ot the audio (a complete disaster) or something else. I am sure that there are solutions but this is really a patchwork. It is interesting how this is in contrast with their headless servers - I ran so many things for years, now mostly in docker and it just worked. When not, the error messages were usually informative - compared to the MS Windows events. This duality i snot really a problem 8 I have vastly different needs on both platforms (except for docker when I develop - but this works fine with WSL2). I did not know that there are Windows versions that display ads, though.
- fsflover 5y ago> I couldn't get displayport chaining to work consistently under linux But did you try to use hardware designed for Linux?
- slver 5y agoSo, if I bought a bunch of licenses under the promise of eternal updates, how should I feel and what should I do now.
- kspacewalk2 5y agoBeat up whatever liar gave you that false promise. "Eternal updates" are not a thing that has or will ever happen.
- bionhoward 5y agowindows 11 ought to be a Linux distribution. That's much more sensible and less work for everyone. I've emailed Satya about this multiple times. Hopefully, he listens
- jagger27 5y agoThanks for the laugh.
- rchaud 5y agoI have a Win 7 laptop from 2011 that honestly runs faster than a modern desktop with twice the RAM running Win 10. Had Win 10 since 2015 and it seems to be getting slower with each update. Which flavour of Linux is closest to 'just works'? Mint?
- williamtwild 5y agoI use Mint most of the time with MX Linux now and then .
- Saris 5y agoFedora with KDE or Gnome probably? It has fairly fast updates for their software repositories but is still stable and will just chug along without breaking things. Also historically it's very good at upgrading major OS versions without any trouble.
- Multicomp 5y agoFedora or Mint KDE seem to be the places where I landed as a MS recovered fanboy who loves Windows 7 & Office 2010 and detests most post 2015+ MS products due to the aforementioned user hostile features and engagement thingies.
- FranchuFranchu 5y agoMint is the one in which you can find things in similar places that you can find them in Windows. It's decent and usually works out of the box on mainstream hardware.
- j1elo 5y agoI think I'm getting old. In my memory, Windows 10 is still "the new thing" that released not so long ago :-] I still use 7, because of inertia and it's hard to change something that "just works" (read: I know its shortcomings by heart so I don't even need to think about how to avoid them), and also it accumulates years of fine tunings, configurations, and personalization. Also I bought a laptop that "already" came with 10, and oh boy it didn't do a good job of convincing me to upgrade my main computer.
- dannyw 5y agoStill on Windows 7. Still loving it.
- EasyTiger_ 5y agoAfter Windows 10 I’m honestly expecting the worst
- dehrmann 5y agoMeVista8?
- MisterTea 5y ago> Rebranding rumours aside, it is likely to include a host of new features, [...] More ads? Mandatory MS cloud account login? Monthly update fee? CCP localization option featuring content censoring and reporting? cmd.exe rust rewrite? > a more modern look [...] New OS comes with a new look. The new look is not the old look. Water is wet. > and a redesigned Start menu. We went through this already.
- kizer 5y agoIt’s going to be more Linuxy somehow. I don’t know how, but there’s going to be something with Linux like WSL but more. What if they included two kernels, both Windows and Linux? Just speculating.
- anonbytes11 5y agomicrosoft: Join us June 24th at 11 am ET for the #MicrosoftEvent to see what’s next. Verge: OMG WINDOWS 11
- anonbytes11 5y agoWindows:Join us June 24th at 11 am ET for the #MicrosoftEvent to see what’s next. Verge: OMG WINDOWS 11
- bennyp101 5y agoI'd love it if they released it as a desktop manager for Linux, so you could login as GNOME, or WindowsPenguin. Paid for repo access, and an optional paid upgrade to allow it to run like wine on other DM's. That would be the perfect match for me!
- ChicagoDave 5y agoI just have to say. I’m a Windows guy for life. I use Ubuntu for some stuff, but 95% of my time on a computer is Windows.
- durnygbur 5y agoIt will be bad and invasive.
- butz 5y agoWhole OS will be running in the cloud so users will get updates as fast as possible and have no way of disabling extra features.
- zdiscov 5y agoWindows 10 did the unthinkable for me. It made my house Windows free since 1998, in 2020! Now I have two Ubuntu 20.04 laptops - Toshiba SatellitePro and Dell Inspiron. Windows 10 broke the Toshiba touchpad and wouldn't upgrade from 8.1 without fits, seizures and loss of data. With Snap I was able to port most of my MS Office and other windows software. TBH, Dell did have issues around the infamous Nvidia display drivers that would freeze the screen needing a hard reboot. But at least my laptops are able to bounce back to enjoy the rest of their natural life!
- adreamingsoul 5y agoI’m still using Windows 7 on my isolated machine. It’s great.
- tibbydudeza 5y agoI used to be a MacOS user for a few years until Apple decided my Dual CPU Xeon powered cheese grater Mac Pro was not going to be supported. The linux desktop has been a mess for years so no thanks but I do use UnRaid on my fileserver. So I went back to Windows 10 and a Dell and it was not so bad - it works for my needs - yes had some issues around Windows Update being a hit and miss affair sometimes and a recent AMD Radeon driver update on my older GPU giving me grief.
- fsflover 5y ago> The linux desktop has been a mess for years Not my experience at all. Probably depends on the distribution and hardware.
- rewgs 5y agoI hope that they release a Linux distro with baked-in "Wine" for easy win32 backwards compatibility.
- intrepidhero 5y ago>And Microsoft says its successor will represent one of the "most significant updates" to the OS in the past decade. Yeah that's not ominous at all.
- mark_l_watson 5y agoFor naming: I would suggest just calling the next version "Windows" with no other modifiers. I think it was a good call handling Windows 10 long term as free updates. I assume they will do the same for the next iteration.
- diragon 5y agoCalling it: it's Linux.
- ChrisArchitect 5y ago[dupe] Previous discussion: 4 days ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27476032 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27476032
- taylodl 5y agoMany of my coworkers pine for a Mac because their Windows experience is so awful. They don't care about any of the features Apple touts. They just want the stability - updates don't happen unless you request for them to happen, your machine doesn't force you to re-boot when you need to get something done right now. There's a myriad of annoyances that add up to making Windows an infuriating platform to use when needing to get work done. Maybe the next version of Windows (or whatever it's to be called) will see Microsoft exit out of the OS business. I've often thought Microsoft should play the script Apple played: use a Linux kernel, wrap the Windows APIs around that kernel, create a Windows desktop environment. Most of your existing apps from the past 30 years would still run and you no longer have to maintain a kernel and drivers. Heck, you might even offer a "bring your own kernel" offering where the user can pick which distro they want and run your Windows desktop environment when desired. I'd love to see the numbers on the net profit Microsoft is making from Windows and how much pull-in business Windows is still generating for them.
- jjeaff 5y agoAll of the things you mentioned are either already solved or have always been built in the Windows 10 pro. I think the biggest mistake Microsoft made with windows 10 is offering different, cheaper versions. The cheaper versions have less features and more ads. But if you are a developer, you should be using Windows 10 Pro or Enterprise. It doesn't make any sense to be using Home as the savings are very minimal.
- StandardFuture 5y agoPlanned obsolescence strikes again. Time for everything to go completely to Linux. Including a non-Android mobile.
- theHIDninja 5y agoWindows 10 LTSC is the only version of windows released in the last decade that I would consider to be a commercially viable OS. It's a shame that it's nearly impossible to install, and I have to resort to illegal software to crack it to run on my PC. I am morbidly curious to see how they screw up this Windows 11 to make it more un-useable than mainline Windows 10.
- dimavs 5y agoYeah, Linux kernel and LSW instead of WSL :-)
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