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Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of UFOs

171 points by graderjs 5y ago

chimen 5y ago
> This site is currently unavailable to visitors from the European Economic Area while we work to ensure your data is protected in accordance with applicable EU laws. This says much more than it actually says
- mariodiana 5y ago
  It says the aliens have surreptitiously captured the EU and are using seemingly benign regulations to censor information that threatens their plans to enslave humanity.
alex3305 5y ago
Bleh.. I was genuinely interested, but: > This site is currently unavailable to visitors from the European Economic Area while we work to ensure your data is protected in accordance with applicable EU laws.
- echelon 5y ago
  Tracking ethics aside, GDPR is expensive to comply with. You don't even want to know how much my org spent on compliance. And we're not tracking people. We sell a service that you have to log into. Plumbing through right to forget and data export through a thousand microservices is a metric ton of engineering work. We had competing regulatory and compliance obligations, and our data models assumed immutability and no hard deletes. Yikes. I agree with the intent of GDPR. But there are costs. And because of those costs, you can see certain companies choosing to exit the market or delaying a fix until they can budget it or shore up the necessary engineering talent. Like it or not, but a news org is probably riddled with analytics throughout their stack. And I bet the smaller ones don't have staffing on hand to drop their burning fires and rewrite everything. Edit: Glad I'm being downvoted for stating the 100% objective truth. I'm not even talking about tracking ethics - which is something I side with the GDPR on. I'm explaining the why, not siding with this site. Jfc, HN. Would you downvote your doctor for telling you bad news?
  - zibzab 5y ago
    If your customers data is spread over thousands of microservices and you have no idea how it ended up there then maybe GDPR is not your bigest problem?
  - aww_dang 5y ago
    >Would you downvote your doctor for telling you bad news? I assume it depends on the political implications of his news.
  - progre 5y ago
    >Tracking ethics aside, GDPR is expensive to comply with. If that's the case I think you probably had bad data policies to begin with.
    - wyager 5y ago
      “Here’s a detailed post explaining my experience with why something is difficult” “Well this thing I have never personally done wouldn’t be difficult if you didn’t suck”
      - progre 5y ago
        I have personally dealt with GDPR compliance.
  - wyager 5y ago
    The median HN user would absolutely downvote their doctor telling them bad news.
  - fouric 5y ago
    > Edit: Glad I'm being downvoted "Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading."[1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- eplanit 5y ago
  Did you support the passage of GDPR?
technicolorwhat 5y ago
> This site is currently unavailable to visitors from the European Economic Area while we work to ensure your data is protected in accordance with applicable EU laws. Alright then.
- Jiocus 5y ago
  “Our European visitors are important to us.”
  - beckingz 5y ago
    The UFOs?
    - notriskfree 5y ago
      Those would be our Europan visitors :) Explains why they care more about the sea as well.
  - mgerullis 5y ago
    Yeah that felt kinda sarcastic
- softwarebouwer 5y ago
  https://archive.is/7jOHG https://archive.is/7jOHG
- wirelesspotat 5y ago
  It's accessible here: https://archive.is/7jOHG https://archive.is/7jOHG
- deleted 5y ago
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- t0mas88 5y ago
  It has only been 5 years since GDPR was signed... give them some time to figure it out ;-) You would almost think it's really about the shady ad-tech they have on their site not being legal in Europe.
ekianjo 5y ago
In this context UFOs means some kind of drones.
- msla 5y ago
  "UFO" means precisely what it always means: A motte-and-bailey term which denotes any unidentified flying object up until someone wants to be flashy, at which point it's aliens in cutting-edge military technology spying for Them. Are they space aliens? Well, will space aliens get you to click the damn link? It's tiresome. It's a massive game of "I don't know, therefore my theory is correct" being played by, or on, people who don't quite get that ignorance isn't evidence in favor of their pet theory.
  - weswpg 5y ago
    I feel the exact same way every single time this comes up but for the first time this one is actually interesting. Has there ever been any incident like this before? Even if it is just a bunch of drones, it is interesting to see that they're flying without any kind of wings and for there to be this many of them swarming a navy ship is at the very least militarily significant even if it isn't aliens
    - gfodor 5y ago
      The most interesting aspects to some but not all of these reports are the dynamics which imply novel propulsion tech (in terms of energy expenditure or non-thrusting mechanisms) and are confirmed on radar. The other stuff is noise (and as seen elsewhere in this thread effectively serves as chum for people who presume themselves smart skeptics.)
    - kevinmchugh 5y ago
      My understanding is that a number of earlier UFO reports were skunkworks projects using then-unknown technologies. The difference this time is how much reputable footage has been released and how available it is, I think.
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hakanito 5y ago
Cached version for EU readers https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:rDam451-DDgJ:https://www.mysterywire.com/ufo/uss-omaha-ufo-video/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:rDam45...
zero_deg_kevin 5y ago
Are there any sources more credible than the US military reporting these phenomena? Until there are, I’m assuming this is just a ploy to get funding for some new asinine weapons system.
- birdyrooster 5y ago
  The US military gets increases whether it likes it or not, no stunts required.
  - boomboomsubban 5y ago
    Sure, but stunts could be the difference between a $50 billion increase and a $60 billion dollar increase.
    - itisit 5y ago
      Example?
      - boomboomsubban 5y ago
        History is full of trumped up threats to justify a military budget increase. Star Wars was my first thought for an example, but it has some differences.
        cestith 5y ago
        History is certainly full of trumped up threats. Japanese internment camps come to mind. I'm not sure Soviet ICBMs were trumped up, but the ability to target and intercept them with 1980s technology would certainly seem to be.
        boomboomsubban 5y ago
        It's forty years later, we still have no great missile defense system, yet how many ICBMs have the USSR launched at us?
srmarm 5y ago
Article/videos are on google cache for those geoblocked https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:IbhdqXFXQQ0J:https://www.mysterywire.com/ufo/ufos-swarm-uss-omaha/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:IbhdqX...
lumost 5y ago
There is a combat flight sim called DCS where individuals repeatedly attempt different methods of killing carrier groups. The general take away is that anti-aircraft/missile systems are good enough that the only solution is to saturate the air defense and exhaust the 500-1500 million dollar missiles the carrier group has on hand to deploy (assuming you got past the air wing). A swarm of ultra-cheap drones each with 50-100kg of explosive changes the cost dynamics of defending a ship/carrier group.
- alanbernstein 5y ago
  Doesn't CIWS solve that?
  - formerly_proven 5y ago
    CIWS has very finite ammunition.
    - barnesto 5y ago
      sure, but there aren't finite drones. not sure you've ever seen CIWS in action, but it would put down the drones with dispatch.
      - formerly_proven 5y ago
        AFAIK these are always firing 100+ rounds at every single target and only have ~1500 rounds in them, so that's not exactly a lot of targets. And then there is the matter that a CIWS/C-RAM would need at least some kind of upgrade to be able to engage (small, slow) drones: https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-we-rely-on-the-Phalanx-CIWS-to-shoot-down-small-drones https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-we-rely-on-the-Phalanx-CIWS-t... (I have no experience at all with these besides seeing some probably-fake Youtube videos supposed to show these shoot down mortar sheels)
      - Dah00n 5y ago
        Likely but than there's nothing left for the next wave. Cheap drones could quickly use up all the rounds. You wouldn't even have to use advanced drones with weapons. CIWS have to kill every drone just in case. Add a few missiles and or better drones in wave two and you got a very effective mix.
aliasEli 5y ago
A copy for EU readers: https://web.archive.org/web/20210528131648/https://www.mysterywire.com/ufo/ufos-swarm-uss-omaha/ https://web.archive.org/web/20210528131648/https://www.myste... Debunking by Thunderf00t: https://youtu.be/Th4VlqQyVr4 https://youtu.be/Th4VlqQyVr4
- gfodor 5y ago
  The video in that debunk is obviously a plane and also has literally zero to do with the more interesting disclosures from the military.
- romseb 5y ago
  Original story would be https://www.extraordinarybeliefs.com/news4/navy-ufo-radar-data https://www.extraordinarybeliefs.com/news4/navy-ufo-radar-da...
- graderjs 5y ago
  Your "debunking" video has already been debunked: your video released on May 9, the radar data you are pretending to debunk was released on May 27. Your linked video does not address the footage released today! :p ;) xx
- robkop 5y ago
  I'd take any "debunking" video from that creator with a small foothill of salt. I feel like a long time ago he made genuinely insightful journalism into scams/ falsities but it seems a few years ago it just turned into a pessimists reaction video channel. Even just looking at that video now, you can see it has been "debunked" by this latest release of info and 5 seconds of looking through the comments and you can see people pointing out falsehoods stated in the video.
  - gspr 5y ago
    Of course people point out things they think are falsehoods in his debunking. It's YOUTUBE. And the guy has (in a very rational and sensible way) angered a lot of Muskrats over the years – no wonder he attracts such comments. Would you care to actually point out what parts of Thunderf00t's debunking you object to? I also cannot fathom how a real scientist debunking wishful thinking gets labeled a "pessimist" by the science fans (I'm not calling you a science fan, I'm talking about the horde of Muskrats that are very angry with Mason). That being said: I do believe the stuff this article is about is different from what Mason debunks in his video (his video predates this release), so I don't think we should consider the two together at all.
jasonhansel 5y ago
Given that this site contains such stories as "Crop circle season underway in the UK" and "Marilyn Monroe’s diary of secrets may have led to her death," I'm going to question if it's a reliable source.
- weswpg 5y ago
  The video is from CBS News
  - graderjs 5y ago
    Thanks! Here's also a 8 News NOW Las Vegas video covering it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPrYVmYkL5w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPrYVmYkL5w
    - marktangotango 5y ago
      Interesting, George Knapp reporting, film acquired/leaked by Jeremy Corbell. Two familiar names. George at least has a lot of credibility as a "real" journalist. Jeremy manages to stay relativeley objective, but still comes off as pushing an agenda, imo.
      - graderjs 5y ago
        I agree. Jeremy definitely has his stance that bleeds through, as much as he tries to say he's undecided, but that's ok. Everyone can have their beliefs and we can respect that. I think Jeremy is also pretty combative and painting himself as "everyone always wants me to be wrong, everyone always attacking me". I haven't yet looked at him being him on his Instagram, so maybe it's true, but I don't think he needs to run that attitude in every interview. Like, George is not attacking him. It's like Jeremy's responding to the "haters in his head," in much of what he says. Which unfortunately I think twists what he says. But hey, everyone has their story, is different and has their past. I think JC is a very cool guy. A dedicated martial artist for a long time, then had an accident/health issue and focused on making films, and then got into this. I think he's a useful guy that people in the programs can use to push out some information, but he won't have legs to be part of the messaging in the long term if he keeps running his mouth the way he does. That's what I think :p ;) xx
echelon 5y ago
Any speculation as to what these are? A foreign military doing recon? A DARPA project being tested on our own military?
- ryanSrich 5y ago
  Very likely foreign or domestic drones. They’re UFOs in the technical sense, but I think using a different word here to be less sensational is likely warranted. The path of movement and speed looks exactly like drones to me.
  - bellyfullofbac 5y ago
    > a different word here to be less sensational The people raving about the UFOs being aliens don't want to miss out on the clicks though! As well as them trying to push the narrative that the government is hiding things (like aliens!) from you, and you can't trust it. "Next up, after these ads about gold and these diet supplements, the truth about the so called Coronavirus 'pandemic'!"
- y04nn 5y ago
  My bets would be that this is some classify project to test supersonic drones against US detection capabilities. Maybe some kind of hypersonic glide vehicle (HGV) like the Russia Avangard [1] missile. Hopefully this is the US themself and not Russia/China testing their HGV. Edit: DARPA tesed HGV in 2010 with the Falcon HTV-2 [2], so 11 years ago, imagine what they are up to now. If you look to this launching footage [3] in infrared, when the gliding vehicle is released, it looks like a ball. The UFO video may have inverted infrared. Also, the fact that those gliding vehicles don't need propulsion and are highly maneuverable (compared to conventional aircraft) and that it ends with a crash in the water make it very likely that this is a HGV. Edit 2: The DARPA hypersonic program is still in progress in 2021, they even double the spending [4]. And there is some info for 2020 with a program called "HSW-ab" which is highly classified [5]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avangard_(hypersonic_glide_vehicle) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avangard_(hypersonic_glide_veh... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypersonic_Technology_Vehicle_2#Flight_testing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypersonic_Technology_Vehicle_... [3]: https://youtu.be/BMnMaS2t57Y?t=40 https://youtu.be/BMnMaS2t57Y?t=40 [4]: https://breakingdefense.com/2020/04/exclusive-dod-asks-2-9b-for-hypersonics-in-2021/ https://breakingdefense.com/2020/04/exclusive-dod-asks-2-9b-... [5]: https://breakingdefense.com/2020/02/lockheed-martin-air-force-press-ahead-on-air-launched-hypersonic-missile/ https://breakingdefense.com/2020/02/lockheed-martin-air-forc...
m3kw9 5y ago
100% of the UFO sightings are captured with blurry, or grainy cameras. That’s more than a coincidence
- the-dude 5y ago
  This is true for robberies and burglaries too.
  - Xevi 5y ago
    It's not though? There are plenty of robberies and burglaries captured with high definition cameras.
- zibzab 5y ago
  That is about to change, thanks to GAN.
- matwood 5y ago
  Isn't that just part of why it's unidentified? I would expect almost all UFOs to be poorly captured with a camera because otherwise they wouldn't be UFOs.
- captainredbeard 5y ago
  It’s near impossible to get a smartphone to focus on a tiny, distant moving target. Next time you hear a plane overhead, snap some photos and see for yourself
braymundo 5y ago
I like to imagine those are USOs like in Terror from the Deep: https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Alien_Submarines https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Alien_Submarines :)
coretx 5y ago
Link is racist against Europeans.
- rataata_jr 5y ago
  Lol. Care to explain?
  - Datagenerator 5y ago
    It's discriminating by source IP address, not race.
- fincamad 5y ago
  Europeans are multiracial and it's discriminatory against people living in Europe that don't know how to use ssh proxy ;)
NoGravitas 5y ago
Looks like the dominant explanation is that some adversary is using (relatively) cheap drones to get data on the sensitivity of US Naval radar systems: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40054/adversary-drones-are-spying-on-the-u-s-and-the-pentagon-acts-like-theyre-ufos https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40054/adversary-drones... They don't even have to be all that high-tech; the US was doing similar things in the 1960s.
- giantandroids 5y ago
  The radio operator reported one moving at 138 knots which is approx 160mph. The DRL RacerX has recorded speeds over 163.5 mp getting a guiness world record, although this was indoors.
  - leoedin 5y ago
    That's an indoor speed record for a quadcopter. If you're designing a drone system for maritime operation it would make far more sense to be fixed wing (maybe with some sort of VTOL or STOL capability) - the efficiencies are just so much higher. Once you go to fixed wing, 138 knots is pretty simple. Just look at the list of unmanned aerial vehicles - it's big and dominated by fixed wing aircraft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unmanned_aerial_vehicles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unmanned_aerial_vehicl...
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  - dokem 5y ago
    The military has been using drones since before quad copters. Anything long range is not going to be a quad, but something like a small plane. I'd imagine 'drone' in military lingo still mostly refers to fixed wing craft.
- tristanj 5y ago
  That article completely ignores the eyewitness testimony from the navy pilots of the Tic Tac incident where they visually identify that the Tic Tac: 1) can hover a few meters above the ocean without generating rotor downwash 2) can accelerate away at 100+g Both of those rule out any known drone or helicopter. David Fravor, one of the pilots, explains this in an interview here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB8zcAttP1E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB8zcAttP1E
dukeofdoom 5y ago
Psychological operations (PSYOP) are operations to convey selected information and indicators to audiences to influence their emotions, motives, and objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of governments, organizations, groups, and individuals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_operations_(United_States) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_operations_(Unit...
DSingularity 5y ago
If anything, this looks like the US has some new technology they are testing.
g3z 5y ago
I was EU-zoned :°(
hindsightbias 5y ago
It's amazing how viewing alien tech in focus is always just beyond the limit of current human tech. Even with 64 megapixel phones.
- natch 5y ago
  It’s a top secret agreement between the US military and the lizard people: In order for a navy ship to be eligible for an alien visit, all the crew members have to ditch their smartphones, and, if they do take any video on a flip phone, they agree to shake their arms while filming. Also according to the breathless film maker Jeremy Corbell, FLIR data can only be released to the public as grainy hand shaking video of FLIR screens shot over someone’s shoulder, I guess because the data is in a “special” format and programmers who are able to figure out how to parse special data formats do not actually exist. /s
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mclightning 5y ago
I have seen much more relevant stuff get flagged on HN.
corecoder 5y ago
I think that at this point, whenever someone tells us that we, or something we value, is important to them, we can safely consider it an insult, they are just giving the middle finger to us. Our European visitors are important to us. This site is currently unavailable to visitors from the European Economic Area while we work to ensure your data is protected in accordance with applicable EU laws.
- vidarh 5y ago
  My favourite example of how making a statement intended to seem to soften the message ends up coming across as an insult are the automated "we're sorry for the inconvenience" messages at UK train stations when there's a delay. Every time I hear one, my immediate inner monologue is "no you're not - if you were actually sorry someone would deliver the message manually, and sound a bit embarrassed". If you've gone to the trouble of automating an apology, I'll instantly assume they don't care, and be insulted that they think we're dumb enough to fall for it.
- notriskfree 5y ago
  The thing I have never really understood; is why countries outside of the EU; pay the slightest bit of attention to these EU directives.
vijaybritto 5y ago
I have a theory that the US govt will eventually push for 'Space Force' claiming a threat from UFO's
- motoxpro 5y ago
  https://www.spaceforce.mil/ https://www.spaceforce.mil/
Zenst 5y ago
Joy "This site is currently unavailable to visitors from the European Economic Area while we work to ensure your data is protected in accordance with applicable EU laws" As somebody in the UK, that kinda seems messed up.
- Accacin 5y ago
  For me, that sounds perfectly acceptable. I'm dreading the day when the UK gets access to something but the EU doesn't.
  - notriskfree 5y ago
    We will be getting tasty Kangaroo steaks soon from Australia. Be jealous.
kappi 5y ago
why is that all the reported UFO sightings are in night? UFO's shouldn't care about day/night difference to visit earth.
- cestith 5y ago
  Maybe it's easier to identify things in the daylight.
stephc_int13 5y ago
I am always amazed by the fact that most people tend to jump to conclusions so quickly with so little intel or expertise. I don't like the way this story is unfolding.
- stevenhuang 5y ago
  You mean like yourself? Consider that there is a large corpus of military and civilian accounts of truly unexplained phenomena.
  - stephc_int13 5y ago
    Am I concluding anything?
willmadden 5y ago
"OMG Aliens!" "It's just like in the movies!" Hint: it's a psyop.
- cestith 5y ago
  Plausible.
aazaa 5y ago
So far there's been nothing but low-quality video, service member reports, and now apparently radar. All well and good, but where are the artifacts? Objects or material of unexplainable origin. The evidence being reported is easy to fake. The military has lied to the public for many years when it suits their interests. The default position should be that the sightings are either: 1. part of a disinformation campaign for an as-yet unknown operation 2. a weapon system developed by one of the world's many militaries The bar for extraterrestrial classification is high because the claim is so extraordinary. Not one iota of physical evidence explainable only by extraterrestrial visitation has ever been publicly presented. Since 2010 or so, almost every human has carried a device capable of taking photos and yet even the photographic evidence for extraterrestrial craft is still underwhelming.
natch 5y ago
This “radar data” is video of FLIR visuals captured on the screen of a FLIR system in the San Diego area. In other words, grainy video of grainy video. From a film maker with an agenda that is, by contrast, extremely clear. If they want to talk about radar data, that would be something different from video of video. An assertion about the data is also not the data, it is just a mere assertion about the data. FLIR is the same system that showed the tic tac objects in another incident. Also in the San Diego area. The pilot in the tic tac incident, Dave Fravor, said that he is a class clown type. He also said that the programmer of the FLIR system is one of his best buddies and was at his wedding. He said there were three other people with him on that day (2 fighter craft, 2 people in each one) so he says it’s not just him, he has others who back him up. But, notice, that is just his assertion. The other three people have gone dark and don’t want to talk. An assertion about having backup is not backup. It is just a mere assertion. All we have for tic tac is Dave and the FLIR video. Imagine you are a Top Gun trained fighter pilot and get to experience the immersive 3D way of being that others don’t have any inkling of. You might feel pretty special. And then when you get back to earth, you’re just another ordinary Dave. What if you could juice things up a little bit, so that when you’re back on the ground, people would still know how special you are? What if your buddy who works on the FLIR system could be in on it? Again, all we have for tic tac is Dave and the FLIR video. Kinda similar with this new incident, since everyone on board apparently was unable to locate or forgot they had their smartphones. I would bet dollars to donuts that self described class clown Dave Fravor and his FLIR programmer buddy are still best buddies and still live in the San Diego area. Doesn’t prove anything, but food for thought.
- creedleshrump 5y ago
  Lt. Cmdr. Alex Dietrich was with Fravor and also saw the tic tac: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygB4EZ7ggig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygB4EZ7ggig Also would be surprised if military pilots were allowed to carry their cell phones with them, nor would it likely be advisable to take a phone video while you're piloting a fighter jet.
  - natch 5y ago
    Is Dietrich still talking now? For the cell phones it would have been safe for you to assume I was referring to the people who were on the ships at the time of the more recent supposed incident.
Thaxll 5y ago
Right ... alien tech that's able to travel accross the universe and looks like cheap drones.
lootsauce 5y ago
Interesting to me how the mainstream media is running with this now. Why? There are tons of UFO reports from military eye witnesses going back to WWII. Why are we now getting this wave of, ok it’s reasonable to elevate this topic to nightly news and congressional inquiry?
- egfx 5y ago
  Because we wanted to get ahead of it since our adversaries now have this technology too and it’s not that secret anymore?
- libertine 5y ago
  I think the biggest driver, besides the whole "it's aliens!?" thing, is the fact that one of the most advanced - if not the most advanced - navy/military are completely clueless of some phenomena and can't come up with proper justifications for such events. You have pilots reports, supposedly the best trained observers, that: - saw some tech they've never seen before that impressed beyond belief; - or after all the best squadrons can be easily fooled/deceived/ by something, or even on their own with optical illusions and group pressure. - or that are willing to lie about some event to have some fame and spotlight. Then you have the best radar systems, jets, and overall military tech that: - are properly tracking unidentified tech; - have flaws and glitches, way more then we would have expected - even arrays of systems are failing/glitching all together; - are not properly tested and fail to filter stuff that shouldn't appear; - can be manipulated by foreign entities; - are operated by individuals who are not properly trained to operate and interpret the information output. What ever the scenario is, it's not good.
JCM9 5y ago
Pilot friend of mine says they do occasionally get alerts from ATC for unidentified primary radar targets near their aircraft while in flight. Usually this turns out to be a flock of birds, bunch of Mylar party baloons and such but in light of all these reports “We’ll be looking a bit more closely for flying tic-tacs now!” ;-)
alimbada 5y ago
Despite being the most trigger happy nation in the world, no one thought to shoot one of the UFOs down?
lootsauce 5y ago
The most obvious answer to me is PsyOp. Don’t need any advanced tech to produce pixels and compelling testimony. Why would any military allow something as top secret as such evidence and then confirm its veracity to the point of allowing pilots to go on 60 mins to talk about it? This reeks of fabrication. To what end? Who knows but I’m sure there will be money flowing to address this new “threat”.
pengaru 5y ago
The most interesting thing about all of this is the US Navy's apparent pathetic inability to acquire, identify, or even image with any fidelity, numerous potentially threatening objects moving freely within the vicinity of its state of the art vessels.
user3939382 5y ago
Weird that this was the top post and now it's no where to be found on the front page 1, 2, or 3 of the site.
superplussed 5y ago
As this becomes a bigger topic, I always wonder if there isn't an interesting technological solution to be had. Will there be a time in the future where we have satellite coverage of the globe, that has high-res real-time imagery? Could we attach cameras to Starlink satellites as an example? It seems like there would be a huge market for a service like this from governments and the like.
trev86759 5y ago
A lot of confusion over what a cell phone camera can capture. Average cell camera lens is around 24mm. If you were to photograph an air show with that you, you would be getting nothing usable. Even at 500mm you will need to crop out the majority the frame. Then comes lens shake mathematics. If you were photographing a baseball game you’d have to be shooting at 1/1000 of a second to stop the motion of the ball. To capture the motions of objects such as these you’d need a professional camera maxed out shutter speed 1/8000 of a second and a 500mm lens with an extender. Run the numbers on that budget... Then think of the ISO factor. Image sensors sensitivity at night is still developing. Good luck capturing an object moving 10gs at ISO 12,000... Getting a picture of an object in motion with a cell phone is not gonna turn out great. Especially at great distances. You need thousands of dollars worth of equipment and a firm grasp of photo science. It’s not for amateurs. Brass tacts. You need an amazing camera, amazing lens, and the technical prowess to know how to stop motion through photography.
trev8dav8 5y ago
A lot of confusion over what a cell phone camera can capture. Average cell camera lens is around 24mm. If you were to photograph an air show with that you, you would be getting nothing usable. Even at 500mm you will need to crop out the majority the frame. Then comes lens shake mathematics. If you were photographing a baseball game you’d have to be shooting at 1/1000 of a second to stop the motion of the ball. To capture the motions of objects such as these you’d need a professional camera maxed out shutter speed 1/8000 of a second and a 500mm lens with an extender. Run the numbers on that budget... Then think of the ISO factor. Image sensors sensitivity at night is still developing. Good luck capturing an object moving 10gs at ISO 12,000... Getting a picture of an object in motion with a cell phone is not gonna turn out great. Especially at great distances. You need thousands of dollars worth of equipment and a firm grasp of photo science. It’s not for amateurs. Brass tacts. You need an amazing camera, amazing lens, and the technical prowess to know how to stop motion through photography.
gyvastis 5y ago
"Swarmed for hours" but no images/videos available?
klee0102 5y ago
It disappears in the water. The technology is completely out of this world.

171 points by graderjs 5y ago

> This site is currently unavailable to visitors from the European Economic Area while we work to ensure your data is protected in accordance with applicable EU laws. This says much more than it actually says

mariodiana 5y ago
It says the aliens have surreptitiously captured the EU and are using seemingly benign regulations to censor information that threatens their plans to enslave humanity.

alex3305 5y ago

Bleh.. I was genuinely interested, but: > This site is currently unavailable to visitors from the European Economic Area while we work to ensure your data is protected in accordance with applicable EU laws.

echelon 5y ago
Tracking ethics aside, GDPR is expensive to comply with. You don't even want to know how much my org spent on compliance. And we're not tracking people. We sell a service that you have to log into. Plumbing through right to forget and data export through a thousand microservices is a metric ton of engineering work. We had competing regulatory and compliance obligations, and our data models assumed immutability and no hard deletes. Yikes. I agree with the intent of GDPR. But there are costs. And because of those costs, you can see certain companies choosing to exit the market or delaying a fix until they can budget it or shore up the necessary engineering talent. Like it or not, but a news org is probably riddled with analytics throughout their stack. And I bet the smaller ones don't have staffing on hand to drop their burning fires and rewrite everything. Edit: Glad I'm being downvoted for stating the 100% objective truth. I'm not even talking about tracking ethics - which is something I side with the GDPR on. I'm explaining the why, not siding with this site. Jfc, HN. Would you downvote your doctor for telling you bad news?
- zibzab 5y ago
  If your customers data is spread over thousands of microservices and you have no idea how it ended up there then maybe GDPR is not your bigest problem?
- aww_dang 5y ago
  >Would you downvote your doctor for telling you bad news? I assume it depends on the political implications of his news.
- progre 5y ago
  >Tracking ethics aside, GDPR is expensive to comply with. If that's the case I think you probably had bad data policies to begin with.
  - wyager 5y ago
    “Here’s a detailed post explaining my experience with why something is difficult” “Well this thing I have never personally done wouldn’t be difficult if you didn’t suck”
    - progre 5y ago
      I have personally dealt with GDPR compliance.
- wyager 5y ago
  The median HN user would absolutely downvote their doctor telling them bad news.
- fouric 5y ago
  > Edit: Glad I'm being downvoted "Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading."[1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
eplanit 5y ago
Did you support the passage of GDPR?

technicolorwhat 5y ago

> This site is currently unavailable to visitors from the European Economic Area while we work to ensure your data is protected in accordance with applicable EU laws. Alright then.

Jiocus 5y ago
“Our European visitors are important to us.”
- beckingz 5y ago
  The UFOs?
  - notriskfree 5y ago
    Those would be our Europan visitors :) Explains why they care more about the sea as well.
- mgerullis 5y ago
  Yeah that felt kinda sarcastic
softwarebouwer 5y ago
https://archive.is/7jOHG https://archive.is/7jOHG
wirelesspotat 5y ago
It's accessible here: https://archive.is/7jOHG https://archive.is/7jOHG
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t0mas88 5y ago
It has only been 5 years since GDPR was signed... give them some time to figure it out ;-) You would almost think it's really about the shady ad-tech they have on their site not being legal in Europe.

ekianjo 5y ago

In this context UFOs means some kind of drones.

msla 5y ago
"UFO" means precisely what it always means: A motte-and-bailey term which denotes any unidentified flying object up until someone wants to be flashy, at which point it's aliens in cutting-edge military technology spying for Them. Are they space aliens? Well, will space aliens get you to click the damn link? It's tiresome. It's a massive game of "I don't know, therefore my theory is correct" being played by, or on, people who don't quite get that ignorance isn't evidence in favor of their pet theory.
- weswpg 5y ago
  I feel the exact same way every single time this comes up but for the first time this one is actually interesting. Has there ever been any incident like this before? Even if it is just a bunch of drones, it is interesting to see that they're flying without any kind of wings and for there to be this many of them swarming a navy ship is at the very least militarily significant even if it isn't aliens
  - gfodor 5y ago
    The most interesting aspects to some but not all of these reports are the dynamics which imply novel propulsion tech (in terms of energy expenditure or non-thrusting mechanisms) and are confirmed on radar. The other stuff is noise (and as seen elsewhere in this thread effectively serves as chum for people who presume themselves smart skeptics.)
  - kevinmchugh 5y ago
    My understanding is that a number of earlier UFO reports were skunkworks projects using then-unknown technologies. The difference this time is how much reputable footage has been released and how available it is, I think.
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hakanito 5y ago

Cached version for EU readers https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:rDam451-DDgJ:https://www.mysterywire.com/ufo/uss-omaha-ufo-video/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:rDam45...

zero_deg_kevin 5y ago

Are there any sources more credible than the US military reporting these phenomena? Until there are, I’m assuming this is just a ploy to get funding for some new asinine weapons system.

birdyrooster 5y ago
The US military gets increases whether it likes it or not, no stunts required.
- boomboomsubban 5y ago
  Sure, but stunts could be the difference between a $50 billion increase and a $60 billion dollar increase.
  - itisit 5y ago
    Example?
    - boomboomsubban 5y ago
      History is full of trumped up threats to justify a military budget increase. Star Wars was my first thought for an example, but it has some differences.
      - cestith 5y ago
        History is certainly full of trumped up threats. Japanese internment camps come to mind. I'm not sure Soviet ICBMs were trumped up, but the ability to target and intercept them with 1980s technology would certainly seem to be.
        boomboomsubban 5y ago
        It's forty years later, we still have no great missile defense system, yet how many ICBMs have the USSR launched at us?

srmarm 5y ago

Article/videos are on google cache for those geoblocked https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:IbhdqXFXQQ0J:https://www.mysterywire.com/ufo/ufos-swarm-uss-omaha/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:IbhdqX...

lumost 5y ago

There is a combat flight sim called DCS where individuals repeatedly attempt different methods of killing carrier groups. The general take away is that anti-aircraft/missile systems are good enough that the only solution is to saturate the air defense and exhaust the 500-1500 million dollar missiles the carrier group has on hand to deploy (assuming you got past the air wing). A swarm of ultra-cheap drones each with 50-100kg of explosive changes the cost dynamics of defending a ship/carrier group.

alanbernstein 5y ago
Doesn't CIWS solve that?
- formerly_proven 5y ago
  CIWS has very finite ammunition.
  - barnesto 5y ago
    sure, but there aren't finite drones. not sure you've ever seen CIWS in action, but it would put down the drones with dispatch.
    - formerly_proven 5y ago
      AFAIK these are always firing 100+ rounds at every single target and only have ~1500 rounds in them, so that's not exactly a lot of targets. And then there is the matter that a CIWS/C-RAM would need at least some kind of upgrade to be able to engage (small, slow) drones: https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-we-rely-on-the-Phalanx-CIWS-to-shoot-down-small-drones https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-we-rely-on-the-Phalanx-CIWS-t... (I have no experience at all with these besides seeing some probably-fake Youtube videos supposed to show these shoot down mortar sheels)
    - Dah00n 5y ago
      Likely but than there's nothing left for the next wave. Cheap drones could quickly use up all the rounds. You wouldn't even have to use advanced drones with weapons. CIWS have to kill every drone just in case. Add a few missiles and or better drones in wave two and you got a very effective mix.

aliasEli 5y ago

A copy for EU readers: https://web.archive.org/web/20210528131648/https://www.mysterywire.com/ufo/ufos-swarm-uss-omaha/ https://web.archive.org/web/20210528131648/https://www.myste... Debunking by Thunderf00t: https://youtu.be/Th4VlqQyVr4 https://youtu.be/Th4VlqQyVr4

gfodor 5y ago
The video in that debunk is obviously a plane and also has literally zero to do with the more interesting disclosures from the military.
romseb 5y ago
Original story would be https://www.extraordinarybeliefs.com/news4/navy-ufo-radar-data https://www.extraordinarybeliefs.com/news4/navy-ufo-radar-da...
graderjs 5y ago
Your "debunking" video has already been debunked: your video released on May 9, the radar data you are pretending to debunk was released on May 27. Your linked video does not address the footage released today! :p ;) xx
robkop 5y ago
I'd take any "debunking" video from that creator with a small foothill of salt. I feel like a long time ago he made genuinely insightful journalism into scams/ falsities but it seems a few years ago it just turned into a pessimists reaction video channel. Even just looking at that video now, you can see it has been "debunked" by this latest release of info and 5 seconds of looking through the comments and you can see people pointing out falsehoods stated in the video.
- gspr 5y ago
  Of course people point out things they think are falsehoods in his debunking. It's YOUTUBE. And the guy has (in a very rational and sensible way) angered a lot of Muskrats over the years – no wonder he attracts such comments. Would you care to actually point out what parts of Thunderf00t's debunking you object to? I also cannot fathom how a real scientist debunking wishful thinking gets labeled a "pessimist" by the science fans (I'm not calling you a science fan, I'm talking about the horde of Muskrats that are very angry with Mason). That being said: I do believe the stuff this article is about is different from what Mason debunks in his video (his video predates this release), so I don't think we should consider the two together at all.

jasonhansel 5y ago

Given that this site contains such stories as "Crop circle season underway in the UK" and "Marilyn Monroe’s diary of secrets may have led to her death," I'm going to question if it's a reliable source.

weswpg 5y ago
The video is from CBS News
- graderjs 5y ago
  Thanks! Here's also a 8 News NOW Las Vegas video covering it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPrYVmYkL5w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPrYVmYkL5w
  - marktangotango 5y ago
    Interesting, George Knapp reporting, film acquired/leaked by Jeremy Corbell. Two familiar names. George at least has a lot of credibility as a "real" journalist. Jeremy manages to stay relativeley objective, but still comes off as pushing an agenda, imo.
    - graderjs 5y ago
      I agree. Jeremy definitely has his stance that bleeds through, as much as he tries to say he's undecided, but that's ok. Everyone can have their beliefs and we can respect that. I think Jeremy is also pretty combative and painting himself as "everyone always wants me to be wrong, everyone always attacking me". I haven't yet looked at him being him on his Instagram, so maybe it's true, but I don't think he needs to run that attitude in every interview. Like, George is not attacking him. It's like Jeremy's responding to the "haters in his head," in much of what he says. Which unfortunately I think twists what he says. But hey, everyone has their story, is different and has their past. I think JC is a very cool guy. A dedicated martial artist for a long time, then had an accident/health issue and focused on making films, and then got into this. I think he's a useful guy that people in the programs can use to push out some information, but he won't have legs to be part of the messaging in the long term if he keeps running his mouth the way he does. That's what I think :p ;) xx

echelon 5y ago

Any speculation as to what these are? A foreign military doing recon? A DARPA project being tested on our own military?

ryanSrich 5y ago
Very likely foreign or domestic drones. They’re UFOs in the technical sense, but I think using a different word here to be less sensational is likely warranted. The path of movement and speed looks exactly like drones to me.
- bellyfullofbac 5y ago
  > a different word here to be less sensational The people raving about the UFOs being aliens don't want to miss out on the clicks though! As well as them trying to push the narrative that the government is hiding things (like aliens!) from you, and you can't trust it. "Next up, after these ads about gold and these diet supplements, the truth about the so called Coronavirus 'pandemic'!"
y04nn 5y ago
My bets would be that this is some classify project to test supersonic drones against US detection capabilities. Maybe some kind of hypersonic glide vehicle (HGV) like the Russia Avangard [1] missile. Hopefully this is the US themself and not Russia/China testing their HGV. Edit: DARPA tesed HGV in 2010 with the Falcon HTV-2 [2], so 11 years ago, imagine what they are up to now. If you look to this launching footage [3] in infrared, when the gliding vehicle is released, it looks like a ball. The UFO video may have inverted infrared. Also, the fact that those gliding vehicles don't need propulsion and are highly maneuverable (compared to conventional aircraft) and that it ends with a crash in the water make it very likely that this is a HGV. Edit 2: The DARPA hypersonic program is still in progress in 2021, they even double the spending [4]. And there is some info for 2020 with a program called "HSW-ab" which is highly classified [5]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avangard_(hypersonic_glide_vehicle) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avangard_(hypersonic_glide_veh... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypersonic_Technology_Vehicle_2#Flight_testing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypersonic_Technology_Vehicle_... [3]: https://youtu.be/BMnMaS2t57Y?t=40 https://youtu.be/BMnMaS2t57Y?t=40 [4]: https://breakingdefense.com/2020/04/exclusive-dod-asks-2-9b-for-hypersonics-in-2021/ https://breakingdefense.com/2020/04/exclusive-dod-asks-2-9b-... [5]: https://breakingdefense.com/2020/02/lockheed-martin-air-force-press-ahead-on-air-launched-hypersonic-missile/ https://breakingdefense.com/2020/02/lockheed-martin-air-forc...

m3kw9 5y ago

100% of the UFO sightings are captured with blurry, or grainy cameras. That’s more than a coincidence

the-dude 5y ago
This is true for robberies and burglaries too.
- Xevi 5y ago
  It's not though? There are plenty of robberies and burglaries captured with high definition cameras.
zibzab 5y ago
That is about to change, thanks to GAN.
matwood 5y ago
Isn't that just part of why it's unidentified? I would expect almost all UFOs to be poorly captured with a camera because otherwise they wouldn't be UFOs.
captainredbeard 5y ago
It’s near impossible to get a smartphone to focus on a tiny, distant moving target. Next time you hear a plane overhead, snap some photos and see for yourself

braymundo 5y ago

I like to imagine those are USOs like in Terror from the Deep: https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Alien_Submarines https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Alien_Submarines :)

coretx 5y ago

Link is racist against Europeans.

rataata_jr 5y ago
Lol. Care to explain?
- Datagenerator 5y ago
  It's discriminating by source IP address, not race.
fincamad 5y ago
Europeans are multiracial and it's discriminatory against people living in Europe that don't know how to use ssh proxy ;)

NoGravitas 5y ago

Looks like the dominant explanation is that some adversary is using (relatively) cheap drones to get data on the sensitivity of US Naval radar systems: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40054/adversary-drones-are-spying-on-the-u-s-and-the-pentagon-acts-like-theyre-ufos https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40054/adversary-drones... They don't even have to be all that high-tech; the US was doing similar things in the 1960s.

giantandroids 5y ago
The radio operator reported one moving at 138 knots which is approx 160mph. The DRL RacerX has recorded speeds over 163.5 mp getting a guiness world record, although this was indoors.
- leoedin 5y ago
  That's an indoor speed record for a quadcopter. If you're designing a drone system for maritime operation it would make far more sense to be fixed wing (maybe with some sort of VTOL or STOL capability) - the efficiencies are just so much higher. Once you go to fixed wing, 138 knots is pretty simple. Just look at the list of unmanned aerial vehicles - it's big and dominated by fixed wing aircraft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unmanned_aerial_vehicles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unmanned_aerial_vehicl...
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- dokem 5y ago
  The military has been using drones since before quad copters. Anything long range is not going to be a quad, but something like a small plane. I'd imagine 'drone' in military lingo still mostly refers to fixed wing craft.
tristanj 5y ago
That article completely ignores the eyewitness testimony from the navy pilots of the Tic Tac incident where they visually identify that the Tic Tac: 1) can hover a few meters above the ocean without generating rotor downwash 2) can accelerate away at 100+g Both of those rule out any known drone or helicopter. David Fravor, one of the pilots, explains this in an interview here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB8zcAttP1E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB8zcAttP1E

dukeofdoom 5y ago

Psychological operations (PSYOP) are operations to convey selected information and indicators to audiences to influence their emotions, motives, and objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of governments, organizations, groups, and individuals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_operations_(United_States) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_operations_(Unit...

DSingularity 5y ago

If anything, this looks like the US has some new technology they are testing.

g3z 5y ago

I was EU-zoned :°(

hindsightbias 5y ago

It's amazing how viewing alien tech in focus is always just beyond the limit of current human tech. Even with 64 megapixel phones.

natch 5y ago
It’s a top secret agreement between the US military and the lizard people: In order for a navy ship to be eligible for an alien visit, all the crew members have to ditch their smartphones, and, if they do take any video on a flip phone, they agree to shake their arms while filming. Also according to the breathless film maker Jeremy Corbell, FLIR data can only be released to the public as grainy hand shaking video of FLIR screens shot over someone’s shoulder, I guess because the data is in a “special” format and programmers who are able to figure out how to parse special data formats do not actually exist. /s

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mclightning 5y ago

I have seen much more relevant stuff get flagged on HN.

corecoder 5y ago

I think that at this point, whenever someone tells us that we, or something we value, is important to them, we can safely consider it an insult, they are just giving the middle finger to us. Our European visitors are important to us. This site is currently unavailable to visitors from the European Economic Area while we work to ensure your data is protected in accordance with applicable EU laws.

vidarh 5y ago
My favourite example of how making a statement intended to seem to soften the message ends up coming across as an insult are the automated "we're sorry for the inconvenience" messages at UK train stations when there's a delay. Every time I hear one, my immediate inner monologue is "no you're not - if you were actually sorry someone would deliver the message manually, and sound a bit embarrassed". If you've gone to the trouble of automating an apology, I'll instantly assume they don't care, and be insulted that they think we're dumb enough to fall for it.
notriskfree 5y ago
The thing I have never really understood; is why countries outside of the EU; pay the slightest bit of attention to these EU directives.

vijaybritto 5y ago

I have a theory that the US govt will eventually push for 'Space Force' claiming a threat from UFO's

motoxpro 5y ago
https://www.spaceforce.mil/ https://www.spaceforce.mil/

Zenst 5y ago

Joy "This site is currently unavailable to visitors from the European Economic Area while we work to ensure your data is protected in accordance with applicable EU laws" As somebody in the UK, that kinda seems messed up.

Accacin 5y ago
For me, that sounds perfectly acceptable. I'm dreading the day when the UK gets access to something but the EU doesn't.
- notriskfree 5y ago
  We will be getting tasty Kangaroo steaks soon from Australia. Be jealous.

kappi 5y ago

why is that all the reported UFO sightings are in night? UFO's shouldn't care about day/night difference to visit earth.

cestith 5y ago
Maybe it's easier to identify things in the daylight.

stephc_int13 5y ago

I am always amazed by the fact that most people tend to jump to conclusions so quickly with so little intel or expertise. I don't like the way this story is unfolding.

stevenhuang 5y ago
You mean like yourself? Consider that there is a large corpus of military and civilian accounts of truly unexplained phenomena.
- stephc_int13 5y ago
  Am I concluding anything?

willmadden 5y ago

"OMG Aliens!" "It's just like in the movies!" Hint: it's a psyop.

cestith 5y ago
Plausible.

aazaa 5y ago

So far there's been nothing but low-quality video, service member reports, and now apparently radar. All well and good, but where are the artifacts? Objects or material of unexplainable origin. The evidence being reported is easy to fake. The military has lied to the public for many years when it suits their interests. The default position should be that the sightings are either: 1. part of a disinformation campaign for an as-yet unknown operation 2. a weapon system developed by one of the world's many militaries The bar for extraterrestrial classification is high because the claim is so extraordinary. Not one iota of physical evidence explainable only by extraterrestrial visitation has ever been publicly presented. Since 2010 or so, almost every human has carried a device capable of taking photos and yet even the photographic evidence for extraterrestrial craft is still underwhelming.

natch 5y ago

This “radar data” is video of FLIR visuals captured on the screen of a FLIR system in the San Diego area. In other words, grainy video of grainy video. From a film maker with an agenda that is, by contrast, extremely clear. If they want to talk about radar data, that would be something different from video of video. An assertion about the data is also not the data, it is just a mere assertion about the data. FLIR is the same system that showed the tic tac objects in another incident. Also in the San Diego area. The pilot in the tic tac incident, Dave Fravor, said that he is a class clown type. He also said that the programmer of the FLIR system is one of his best buddies and was at his wedding. He said there were three other people with him on that day (2 fighter craft, 2 people in each one) so he says it’s not just him, he has others who back him up. But, notice, that is just his assertion. The other three people have gone dark and don’t want to talk. An assertion about having backup is not backup. It is just a mere assertion. All we have for tic tac is Dave and the FLIR video. Imagine you are a Top Gun trained fighter pilot and get to experience the immersive 3D way of being that others don’t have any inkling of. You might feel pretty special. And then when you get back to earth, you’re just another ordinary Dave. What if you could juice things up a little bit, so that when you’re back on the ground, people would still know how special you are? What if your buddy who works on the FLIR system could be in on it? Again, all we have for tic tac is Dave and the FLIR video. Kinda similar with this new incident, since everyone on board apparently was unable to locate or forgot they had their smartphones. I would bet dollars to donuts that self described class clown Dave Fravor and his FLIR programmer buddy are still best buddies and still live in the San Diego area. Doesn’t prove anything, but food for thought.

creedleshrump 5y ago
Lt. Cmdr. Alex Dietrich was with Fravor and also saw the tic tac: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygB4EZ7ggig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygB4EZ7ggig Also would be surprised if military pilots were allowed to carry their cell phones with them, nor would it likely be advisable to take a phone video while you're piloting a fighter jet.
- natch 5y ago
  Is Dietrich still talking now? For the cell phones it would have been safe for you to assume I was referring to the people who were on the ships at the time of the more recent supposed incident.

Thaxll 5y ago

Right ... alien tech that's able to travel accross the universe and looks like cheap drones.

lootsauce 5y ago

Interesting to me how the mainstream media is running with this now. Why? There are tons of UFO reports from military eye witnesses going back to WWII. Why are we now getting this wave of, ok it’s reasonable to elevate this topic to nightly news and congressional inquiry?

egfx 5y ago
Because we wanted to get ahead of it since our adversaries now have this technology too and it’s not that secret anymore?
libertine 5y ago
I think the biggest driver, besides the whole "it's aliens!?" thing, is the fact that one of the most advanced - if not the most advanced - navy/military are completely clueless of some phenomena and can't come up with proper justifications for such events. You have pilots reports, supposedly the best trained observers, that: - saw some tech they've never seen before that impressed beyond belief; - or after all the best squadrons can be easily fooled/deceived/ by something, or even on their own with optical illusions and group pressure. - or that are willing to lie about some event to have some fame and spotlight. Then you have the best radar systems, jets, and overall military tech that: - are properly tracking unidentified tech; - have flaws and glitches, way more then we would have expected - even arrays of systems are failing/glitching all together; - are not properly tested and fail to filter stuff that shouldn't appear; - can be manipulated by foreign entities; - are operated by individuals who are not properly trained to operate and interpret the information output. What ever the scenario is, it's not good.

JCM9 5y ago

Pilot friend of mine says they do occasionally get alerts from ATC for unidentified primary radar targets near their aircraft while in flight. Usually this turns out to be a flock of birds, bunch of Mylar party baloons and such but in light of all these reports “We’ll be looking a bit more closely for flying tic-tacs now!” ;-)

alimbada 5y ago

Despite being the most trigger happy nation in the world, no one thought to shoot one of the UFOs down?

lootsauce 5y ago

The most obvious answer to me is PsyOp. Don’t need any advanced tech to produce pixels and compelling testimony. Why would any military allow something as top secret as such evidence and then confirm its veracity to the point of allowing pilots to go on 60 mins to talk about it? This reeks of fabrication. To what end? Who knows but I’m sure there will be money flowing to address this new “threat”.

pengaru 5y ago

The most interesting thing about all of this is the US Navy's apparent pathetic inability to acquire, identify, or even image with any fidelity, numerous potentially threatening objects moving freely within the vicinity of its state of the art vessels.

user3939382 5y ago

Weird that this was the top post and now it's no where to be found on the front page 1, 2, or 3 of the site.

superplussed 5y ago

As this becomes a bigger topic, I always wonder if there isn't an interesting technological solution to be had. Will there be a time in the future where we have satellite coverage of the globe, that has high-res real-time imagery? Could we attach cameras to Starlink satellites as an example? It seems like there would be a huge market for a service like this from governments and the like.

trev86759 5y ago

A lot of confusion over what a cell phone camera can capture. Average cell camera lens is around 24mm. If you were to photograph an air show with that you, you would be getting nothing usable. Even at 500mm you will need to crop out the majority the frame. Then comes lens shake mathematics. If you were photographing a baseball game you’d have to be shooting at 1/1000 of a second to stop the motion of the ball. To capture the motions of objects such as these you’d need a professional camera maxed out shutter speed 1/8000 of a second and a 500mm lens with an extender. Run the numbers on that budget... Then think of the ISO factor. Image sensors sensitivity at night is still developing. Good luck capturing an object moving 10gs at ISO 12,000... Getting a picture of an object in motion with a cell phone is not gonna turn out great. Especially at great distances. You need thousands of dollars worth of equipment and a firm grasp of photo science. It’s not for amateurs. Brass tacts. You need an amazing camera, amazing lens, and the technical prowess to know how to stop motion through photography.

trev8dav8 5y ago

gyvastis 5y ago

"Swarmed for hours" but no images/videos available?

klee0102 5y ago

It disappears in the water. The technology is completely out of this world.