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Apple Readies MacBook Pro, MacBook Air Revamps
- bhouston 5y agoSo they are releasing a new MacMini within one year? That is pretty amazing. Previously they would go at least 2 years between revamps. I guess the MacMini is becoming more important?
- kalleboo 5y agoThey still sell an Intel Mac mini with more RAM and better I/O. This wouldn't be a revamp of the current M1 mini but replace the Intel Mac mini as a high end model.
- nojito 5y agoThey used to sell a higher end mac mini. It seems that they are simply bringing back that configuration.
- wffurr 5y agoThey still do. You can still buy the higher end Mac Mini with an Intel chip. This new design will likely replace that one in Apple's lineup, but it never went away.
- rvz 5y agoSo you are surprised that the iPhone maker is starting to release their Macbooks like iPhones? Like I said before, I skipped the M1 and its seems to be paying off.
- jimbob21 5y agoI'd argue it has much less to do with mac mini being any more important than the chip itself being important. They're probably trying to push it in every spot they can, and there is no sense in making more old chips if you can just put the new one in instead.
- mikece 5y ago"Company developing Mac Pro desktop with 40 cores, new Mac mini" It will be interesting to see how close the rumors are to fact when real hardware announcements happen. Given how fast the M1 in the MacBook Air is performing for tasks like video editing I wonder if they will really need to push to such extremes as putting 40 cores in a Mac Pro -- unless they plan to edit four 8K streams at once?
- geerlingguy 5y agoThere are plenty of editors who would love to be able to edit 4 8K (or 12K!) streams in real time :) I still deal with 1080p and get annoyed at my hardware's limitations. If I could justify a Mac Pro and Apple's accelerator card, I'd get them in a heartbeat. For certain applications, no matter how good the hardware you have is, there's always a desire for more, faster hardware.
- mikece 5y ago"There are plenty of editors who would love to be able to edit 4 8K (or 12K!) streams in real time :)" Is that really a common scenario? I can see editors at the big studios using monsters like this (because the studios can afford it) but are we talking about a market of hundreds or thousands? Is this something a free-lance video person would use?
- theklr 5y agoNot yet, but that future is nigh. And if you’re discussing workhorse computers, I’d at least want that capability for when the time comes.
- mjburgess 5y agoI think this is an overstatement anyway. It's more likely that these cores will accelerate increasingly complex effects applied to one 4k/8k stream. M1 is fast at editing, but not particularly fast when you factor in processing.
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- 1nverseMtx 5y ago> Apple last fall started replacing Intel processors in the iPhone and iPad with the house-designed M1 chips, which eat less power and let the mobile devices run the same apps as Macs. Say what now?
- jtdev 5y agoIt’s difficult to feel sorry for big media when they put forth so little effort…
- speps 5y agoThey mean phones and Macs now both run ARM chips... Doesn't mean same apps of course.
- mastazi 5y agoActually the part about the same apps is true https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/install-any-ios-app-m1-mac/ https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/install-any-ios-app-m1-mac/ The problematic part of that quote is where it claims that iPhones and iPads used to have Intel processors.
- klohto 5y agoBut it's not. macOS allows you to run iOS apps, not vice-versa.
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- katmannthree 5y agoReally makes you wonder what other statements there are outright false. Prior to Apple's own ARM chips iPhones used Samsung processors. Interestingly though, Intel did at once point make very nice mobile CPUs (notably the XScale PXA270, which clocked in at a little over 500 MHz and had a halfway decent PowerVR graphics accelerator).
- yannoninator 5y agoCan it run Windows or Linux on ARM though?
- svavs 5y agoIt looks like some folks have made it work on linux: https://corellium.com/blog/linux-m1 https://corellium.com/blog/linux-m1 For Windows support, I thought Apple said something along the lines of: "If Windows wants to add support, we are fine with it" - but I could be mistaken.
- qzw 5y agoNative Windows on M1 would be interesting. But it could potentially embarrass all of Microsoft's hardware partners as well as Microsoft itself (cough, Windows On ARM). Also the market for it would probably be measured in whole handfuls. So I don't think we should hold our breath.
- johnwalkr 5y agoParallels and ARM windows runs surprisingly well, even for intel windows applications.
- seanalltogether 5y agoSo they used to sell 15" and 17" laptops and got rid of the 17", now they're selling 14" and 16", I wonder why?
- yeezul 5y agoI think since they've managed to minimize the screen bezel, they can fit a 14" screen in the body of an older 13" and a 16" in the body of an older 15"?
- danaris 5y agoYes, this is the case. (As the owner of a 16" MBP, which replaced a long series of 15" MBPs—with a 17" in there way back when they were still current.)
- mikece 5y agoIsn't part of it that there's basically no bezel on the 14 and 16 models? I know Apple minimized that over the years it really is essentially zero now. I haven't checked but I wouldn't be surprised if the footprint of a 16" MBP is actually smaller than most 15.6" (or are they 15.4"?) non-Apple laptops.
- yeezul 5y agoI believe that's the correct answer. However I still wish they'd be able to get the bezel down to the size of an XPS 13
- ja27 5y agoI really wonder how many performance cores they could pack in a Mac Mini before the thermals broke.
- bebna 5y agoBased on how well Apple designs thermals, we can only throw dice. [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiCBYAP_Sgg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiCBYAP_Sgg
- Pulcinella 5y agoWhy does he take the back cover off and complain that the air flow and cooling don’t work properly?
- slezyr 5y agoThere should be a cooper pipe between the CPU and cooler like this one[1]. Seriously, WTF? Where is it? 1: https://i0.wp.com/lemmymorgan.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Heat-pipe-of-notebooks.jpg https://i0.wp.com/lemmymorgan.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01...
- DougBTX 5y agoHere's an example teardown: https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/iUejB4OfKlPD4Fex.huge https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/iUejB4OfKlPD4Fex.hug... The heat pipe is the part just above and to the left of the fan.
- slezyr 5y agoThat's a different model, there is no heat pipe in the video see https://youtu.be/iiCBYAP_Sgg?t=57 https://youtu.be/iiCBYAP_Sgg?t=57
- pdpi 5y agoThe model in the video is this one I think — https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook+Air+13-Inch+Retina+2018+Teardown/115201 https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook+Air+13-Inch+Retina+2... (Video mentions 2019 model, which is a minor revision based on this)
- EForEndeavour 5y ago> Apple plans to launch the redesigned MacBook Pros in 14-inch and 16-inch screen sizes. They’ll have a redesigned chassis, magnetic MagSafe charger and more ports for connecting external drives and devices. Apple is also bringing back the HDMI port and SD card slot, which it nixed in previous versions, sparking criticism from photographers and the like. Even if they continue to force the anti-feature that is the Touch Bar onto users, I'd immediately buy an M1 MBP with MagSafe and actual ports.
- D13Fd 5y agoI've had MacBooks since 2005, and I'm an amateur photographer. I really don't miss the ports or MagSafe at all. I actually like the USB charging better, as it allows you to connect the cord to either side, and it doesn't get accidentally knocked out if I use it on my lap. I've found that the cord being on other side is nearly as good as magsafe anyway, as it will be better positioned to pull out if it gets yanked. Yes, I did use the SD card reader from time to time, but most serious cameras use other cards (my older camera uses compact flash, and the newer one uses XQD). It makes no sense for Apple to integrate readers for those, and my XQD/CF readers also read SD cards, so the card reader is useless. All of my mobile peripherals at this point are USB-C, so I don't care about USB-A ports either. And when I'm at home, I use a dock, which has all of the ports I need. Honestly I'd much rather that they keep the laptops thin instead of adding ports I'm not going to use.
- etrautmann 5y agoThe vast majority of cameras, even professional mirrorless or DSLRs, currently use SD cards now. Perhaps that's changing, but I would imagine there's sufficient utility to the SD card reader that many users would value that feature.
- D13Fd 5y agoThat's not true for professional mirrorless/DSLRs, which on the high end often use other cards like CFast, XQD, or CF. And as mentioned, many readers for those cards also integrate SD readers. The vast majority of people these days just use their phones for cameras, and don't use point-and-shoots or other things with full-size SD cards. So really SD cards cater to just the mid-range camera market, where people use mirrorless/DSLRs but not high-end versions that often use faster cards. I don't think it's a good idea for Apple to make everyone's laptops bulkier so a small minority of people can avoid using a $17 adapter like this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07NW8RPYN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07NW8RPYN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b...
- sardonico 5y agoThis chip is going to give us surprises in the next future. I can only imagine what is is store, but a rack of this kind of tech could really drive down power consumption of data centers
- 1_player 5y agoApple aren't making nor selling datacenter chips. They have zero interest in doing that.
- jagger27 5y agohttps://aws.amazon.com/ec2/instance-types/mac/ https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/instance-types/mac/ It might not be a 19" rackmount chassis like the Xserves of yore, but it's hard to deny Apple hardware will continue to find its way into real datacenters. The high end Mac mini SKU mentioned in TFA sounds great for this application, especially now that they have 10Gig Ethernet.
- 1_player 5y agoThe point is driving down the power consumption in datacenters. I doubt the Apple hardware at AWS is cause of high power consumption, and I also doubt Apple hardware will replace Linux and Windows machines that compose the vast majority of AWS computing power. ARM might replace Intel, but it won't be branded Apple, that's for sure.
- iDisagreedEar 5y agoCan anyone think of an Application? I'd be a bit concerned to write something with parallel processing, only to have an overheating issue denied by Apple for years. Butterfly keyboard flashbacks...
- AmVess 5y ago40 cores? This thing will be dazzling.
- xadhominemx 5y agoAdding a bunch of tiny cores to an SOC is easy. What’s much harder is writing the software to make use of them.
- cogman10 5y agoNah, that's pretty easy if you do anything involving video. AV1 will eat all the cores.
- xadhominemx 5y agoIt’s definitely not easy. In general it is very hard. Some applications have been optimized and for a few applications the fit is very natural (ie, where it is easy to avoid single threaded bottlenecks, or where you don’t need to pass data from core to core via the cache). But for general purpose workloads, it will take a lot of optimization.
- cogman10 5y agoAgree to disagree. There's a large host of applications that can benefit from parallel processing power (think, anything that can take advantage of a GPGPU). I don't dispute that some applications are hard to parallelize. However, in my day to day work, I've found that parallel operations are often not that complicated to introduce. The bigger issue is that CPUs are now so fast I find myself blocked by IO far more often than I'm blocked by actual processing.
- Closi 5y agoFor general purpose workloads maybe, but the target-audience for the Mac Pro is really for people who are using applications that are highly multi-threaded. Just look at the use cases Apple describes the existing Mac Pro for: > From production rendering to playing hundreds of virtual instruments to simulating an iOS app on multiple devices at once, it’s exceedingly capable. > Increased speed for Logic Pro X, MATLAB, Adobe Photoshop 2020, Autodesk Maya, Wolfram Mathematica Build Time, Final Cut Pro X > Tasks like animating 3D film assets, compositing 8K scenes and building lifelike gaming environments. This is the target market - and pretty much everything listed here tends to be multi-threaded. Making multi threaded applications aren't easy, but for high performance tasks all these use-cases have to be multi-threaded where possible or they are just too slow.
- mbauman 5y agoThis is effectively https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27193922 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27193922
- microtherion 5y agoThe other article was speculation about a new MacBook Pro (laptop, possibly this year). This is speculation about a new Mac Pro (desktop, possibly next year).
- mbauman 5y agoIgnore the headlines. This is rehashed blogspam citing the same report as the one I linked that just swaps the lede.
- mbauman 5y agoIt'll be interesting to see what a "big" apple silicon chip looks like. Does it still have efficiency cores? Will there be two tiers of system memory?
- lasagnaphil 5y agoThe source says that the new chip for the high-end Macbook Pro would have 8 performance cores and 2 efficiency ones. It's a bit surprising that they'll reduce the efficiency core count to half (although this might get offsetted by the single-core advancements in the new chip)
- valuearb 5y agoMacBook Pro versions will have eight performance cores and two efficacy cores. Mac Pros will have either 16 performance/4 efficiency, or 32 performance/8 efficiency.
- redm 5y agoAs someone who just invested in a Mac Pro late last year, I'm a bit frustrated. I wanted years for a modular design that I could keep and upgrade over a longer time only to find out I'll be forcefully phased out within 2 years.
- tantalor 5y agoApple doesn't do modular
- redm 5y agoThe old (2012) Mac Pro, and the newest Mac Pro are fairly modular and upgradable. The trash can was not.
- Finnucane 5y agoThey used to. In ye olde dayes they were great about it.
- icedchai 5y agoWhen was that, the Mac II days?
- Applejinx 5y agoApple II :) Jobs specifically hated that, and it was indeed the Mac II where Gassee and others pressured him into producing a Mac with more expandability.
- Finnucane 5y agoYeah, and Woz had to convince him to make the Apple II have more than two slots. But the G3 and G4 towers were also easily expanded and modified.
- barkingcat 5y agoM1 mac pros were always going to come. Apple themselves announced that the next 2 years will be transition. I'd say if you purchased a Mac Pro, it's still the same. If you find yourself not having enough power, you bought the wrong machine to begin with (probably modern threadripper pro would be what you should have been looking for) If the computer satisfies all your performance needs, what use is it to "feel frustruated" over something that was expected to come? Don't feel Fear of Missing Out. The Mac Pro didn't change. Your feelings about it changed because of marketing and advertising (ie apple trying to persuade you that you need the M1, when in fact your computing needs are being taken care of already) Wait for the next generation after that current M1/M1x mac pros and go for the next generations when apple comes out with 128 Cores and 256G of ram. One constant of computer industry, there will always be the next chip, the next computer, and by then, the fancy M1 Mac Pro will become obsolete. Exactly like how nobody wants a 486 computer anymore but when it was released it was the hottest thing on the planet. Its day will come when everyone says "oh that M1? that was a slow POS that is now ewaste"
- tyingq 5y agoIt says the split for performance versus efficiency cores will be: - 20 total, 16 high performance, 4 efficiency - 40 total, 32 high performance, 8 efficiency Which is kind of interesting given that the 8 core M1 is split half/half at 4 high performance, 4 efficiency. Sounds like perhaps MacOS doesn't typically have more than 4 cores worth of low-priority work, regardless of the system size/workload?
- bombcar 5y agoIt seems obvious once you look at it - the "efficiency" mode is almost a quasi-sleep and so it makes sense to only dedicate a certain number of processors to it (as every efficiency core could in theory have been a performance core).
- cesaref 5y agoThe OS appears to partition the processors, like linux cpuset stuff, with low priority threads getting given to the efficiency cores, so you basically keep the low priority background stuff off the performant cores. How many is optimum is an interesting question, I would assume the apple peeps have a good idea and are on the money with this design.
- leetcrew 5y agoit's not clear to me why the optimal number of efficiency cores wouldn't be zero on a desktop. why not just use the die area for additional performance cores? one or two full cores shouldn't have much effect on the thermal/power budget if they're just working on background tasks.
- jwhitlark 5y agoI suspect heat is a bigger problem than you're assuming, but also, you would want a similar architecture to simplify the os code.
- tyingq 5y ago
- kingsuper20 5y agoI'm going to show my ignorance here, but how do they handle memory coherence in a CPU like that?
- RJIb8RBYxzAMX9u 5y agoIt's complicated and MESI[0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MESI_protocol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MESI_protocol
- tristanc 5y agoVery interesting and made me chuckle. Thank you.
- valuearb 5y agoThe current M1 has 4 Firestorm performance cores, 4 Icestorm efficiency cores, and 8 GPU cores. The MBP M1x will have 8 Firestorm cores, 2 Icestorm cores and 16 or 32 GPU cores, support more ports, and up to 64Gb RAM. These are going to fly, probably close to double multicore performance over M1, and up to 4X graphics performance.
- GeekyBear 5y agoWill TSMC 3nm be the second die shrink in a row where Apple does the unconventional thing and takes a reduction in power/heat instead of a performance increase? >Compared to it’s N5 node, N3 promises to improve performance by 10-15% at the same power levels, or reduce power by 25-30% at the same transistor speeds. https://www.anandtech.com/show/16024/tsmc-details-3nm-process-technology-details-full-node-scaling-for-2h22 https://www.anandtech.com/show/16024/tsmc-details-3nm-proces... It would certainly help pack that many cores into a small space without throttling.
- martinald 5y agoConsidering M1 only uses 20W max, you could add a lot of cores without any efficency savings and still be within the current Xeon 200W TDP envolope. Indeed 8 M1s to make 32perf/32efficency would only be 160W. I'm aware this is very rough, but I also imagine even 8 M1s are a fraction of the cost of one Intel Xeon W chip, so much more margin for Apple. Not good times for Intel.
- hajile 5y agoCores aren't the real picture here. AMD's high-end cores have a quarter-gig of cache. That uses a lot of power no matter how you slice it. AMD's Infinity Fabric interconnect uses 30-50% of total chip power. Apple will have similar communications overhead too. Adding more memory lanes increases power consumption as does adding more PCIe lanes and other IO. It definitely remains to be seen if their chips are significantly faster when scaled up. In any case, they wouldn't have to beat AMD or Intel to count it as a success. Simply not being terrible would be enough.
- cma 5y ago> AMD's Infinity Fabric interconnect uses 30-50% of total chip power. It would use less if it was on the same process node as the rest of stuff though. They were fulfilling some obligation to Global Foundries by having them separately manufacture it.
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- dep_b 5y agoTolerable build times for large Swift projects!
- rdsnsca 5y agoThe M1 is already better at that than most Intel Macs.
- silicon2401 5y agoCould an informed reader briefly explain whether the current M1 chips are overly hard on their hard drives? I'm debating between 8GB and 16GB for an M1 Mac Mini. Between the two sizes my main concern is more about whether the swapping on the 8GB will kill the hard drive, rather than whether 8GB will be enough
- valuearb 5y agoMost analysis I’ve seen says it shouldn’t be a problem. The concern came out of people misinterpreting read/write stats.
- valuearb 5y agoThe Mac Pro Mx CPUs illustrate the promise of ARM and Apple Silicon. When the Firestorm core is one of the fastest available but uses less than 5 watts, Apple can use a ton of them at once without massive heat and power usage. The top end Mac Pro with 32 Firestorm on one chip is probably will have a GeekBench Multicore score approaching 60,000, triple the fastest Xeon based Mac Pro. And it probably uses half the 300 watts of the existing Mac Pro, with correspondingly less heat. Hopefully Apple doesn’t use this as sn opportunity to go back to the whacky packaging of the Trash Can Mac Pro.
- jason0597 5y agoWhy focus on the Geekbench test? I thought the industry standard for CPU testing was Cinebench and AIDA64.
- upbeat_general 5y agoI don’t know about AIDA64, but Geekbench tests a variety of more real world or at least more varied scenarios compared to cinebench which just does CPU rendering. You can see the full description here (https://www.geekbench.com/doc/geekbench5-cpu-workloads.pdf https://www.geekbench.com/doc/geekbench5-cpu-workloads.pdf) but there’s compression, encryption, compiling, and several other tests.
- jason0597 5y agoTaking for example encryption, isn't it an unfair workload? Encryption is hardware accelerated nowadays, which means you won't get an apples-to-apples (heh) comparison of processors and computers.
- upbeat_general 5y agoYes. I’m not sure exactly how geekbench implements it but that’s certainly a big downside. Perhaps geekbench runs it without any hardware acceleration (to just test a different type of workload) but it might just use whatever hardware available. As an end-user I’m okay with that, because at the end of the day if things run faster I don’t really care how, especially for tasks that are ubiquitous.
- _ph_ 5y agoAs someone who planned to buy the new MacPro since the first rumors and only skipped it when I learned how much the prices had risen compared to its predecessor - and the entry level 8core Xeon wasn't that impressive either - I am so ready to finally upgrade my aged iMac. The 4+4 core M1 already gets glowing reviews, it will be very impressive with 16+4 or even 32+8 cores. I like those rumors very much!
- TheOtherHobbes 5y agoI bought a 10-core iMac Pro, and it's a screamer - super-fast and super-reliable even after 16+ hours of use a day. So I don't regret that choice, even if it was the most expensive computer I've ever bought. A 32+8 core M1 for a less insane price sounds like an easy upgrade choice. The lingering question is memory. 16GB won't be enough.
- commenter12345 5y agoThe article says 64GB even for the Macbook Pro.
- darkarmani 5y ago> super-fast and super-reliable even after 16+ hours of use a day. What does the time have to do with it? It's not like a car with moving parts.
- upbeat_general 5y agoProbably just a combination of the OS properly managing memory and the hardware being “powerful” enough.
- SigmundA 5y agoReally would like to know more about the GPU and Ram. At 128 gpu cores vs the 8 in the M1 you talking 16 times the potential GPU power which could put it up there near the top of discrete GPU's.
- willis936 5y agoIt takes a lot to scale a GPU up that far. Memory throughput requirements (the actually expensive part) increase linearly with number of cores. It will either cost a large fortune and use a Lot of power or be memory throughput starved (and cost a small fortune).
- SigmundA 5y agoTile based deferred renders help with memory bandwidth requirement (partly why UMA mobile GPUs and the M1 use it). The M1 has 16mb of cache coherent with CPU and GPU and then there is tile memory in each core.
- johncolanduoni 5y agoThat would be interesting for the Mac Pro since the kind of applications most people who would buy one would be running have probably never even been run on a tile based GPU, let alone optimized for it.
- SigmundA 5y agoIf however you have developed for mobile and specifically iOS you have a big head start: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/metal/gpu_features/understanding_gpu_family_4 https://developer.apple.com/documentation/metal/gpu_features...
- paulpan 5y agoCurious about this too. Anything more than 16 GPU cores seems like it'd too big to fit on die (share with CPU cores and everything else), so may need to be a discrete solution. Would Apple then make discrete GPU solutions using PCIe5? Makes sense for the Mac Pro given the edge cases for requiring multi-GPU solutions.
- vinay_ys 5y agoMy current Late 2019 MacBook Pro heats up like crazy and goes into thermal throttling whenever I'm doing wfh meeting with lots of video participants for a couple of hours. I really hope they dedicate some hardware for this type of use-case with plenty of sustained thermal headroom.
- jmrm 5y agoThe latests Intel-based Macbooks aren't well designed around thermals, and if the software you are using to have this meetings is Microsoft Teams, which at least in Windows eats a lot of memory and CPU resources (and I expect the same on macOS), it's even worse. I haven't tried yet, but AFAIK M1 Macbooks have a lot lower thermal issues, so that isn't a problem right now.
- ed25519FUUU 5y agoI have this same issue. Fans spin constantly throughout the whole meeting. Hot to the touch. I never realized just how much I hate laptop fans until WFH started.
- wiremine 5y agoThere's a few configurations mentioned: > Codenamed Jade 2C-Die and Jade 4C-Die, a redesigned Mac Pro is planned to come in 20 or 40 computing core variations, made up of 16 high-performance or 32 high-performance cores and four or eight high-efficiency cores. The chips would also include either 64 core or 128 core options for graphics. > For the new MacBook Pros, Apple is planning two different chips, codenamed Jade C-Chop and Jade C-Die: both include eight high-performance cores and two energy-efficient cores for a total of 10, but will be offered in either 16 or 32 graphics core variations.
- eyesee 5y agoSounds like the Mac Pro processor would use 2x or 4x of the Jade C-Die, perhaps in a single package. This makes good economic sense because it may be challenging to justify a unique chip design for only a few thousand units / year.
- chaostheory 5y agoIs this going to be inside an affordable box ie do I have to spend close to 5 figures for it? This is about as exciting as new cellular data speed announcements in a world where most data plans are extremely limited and quickly throttled one way or another. I still use Macs, but my resentment is building up from Apple's past choices e.g. thinness overrides every other feature, every component being solder on, ...
- periheli0n 5y agoI would be very surprised if those Macs were offered at a much lower price point than the current top of the range. They are selling the M1 MacBooks and Mini at a similar price as previous models with comparable number of ports, amount of ram, ssd. Only the CPU performance gain was for free ;)
- chaostheory 5y agoThe original title was "Apple readies 40 core M1". I was speaking of a desktop because I highly doubt that this is going into a laptop, Mac mini, or the non-pro iMac. If it is then I am happily wrong.
- mgkimsal 5y agoI bet somehow, I'd still manage to get it to beachball on everyday common stuff like loading an IDE or Safari or something...
- Jcowell 5y agoUsed both in an M1 Mac. Haven’t seen the beach ball yet (VSCode and multiple windows of safari)
- mgkimsal 5y agoI've been using Macs for 13-14 years, and each upgrade to the 'newest and fastest and most powerful' I think 'hmm... maybe this will stop beach balling'. But it doesn't. Mind you, I only have an 8 core 2.3ghz with ssd and a mere 16gig of ram - I'm sure the 'powerful' Macs won't have this problem. But I also mostly hear from people who never experience beach balls ever, and I can't figure out what they're doing. I did see a guy with an m1 in our coworking space who hit a beach ball last week while showing me something, so I know it's not just me or my various hardware. but perhaps its more rare?
- tjchear 5y agoDo you ever see battery use differences between running VSCode and without on the M1?
- cronix 5y agoThat sounds more like an OS than a CPU problem.
- vmception 5y agoThe new Macbook Pro sounds amazing. The 64gb RAM possibility suggests a lot of things, some of which confirmed by the artlce, such as a) a different processor design than the M1 b) different RAM modules that Samsung doesn't have in existence, so who and what? or, a different chassis design...
- wmf 5y agoMaybe a 256-bit bus with four stacks of 16Gb dies. Apple could easily be the first customer for a new DRAM chip because they're willing to pay a premium to have the newest and best components and they are willing to guarantee large quantity orders.
- neonate 5y agohttps://archive.is/MAafg https://archive.is/MAafg
- BugsJustFindMe 5y agoHow should one reconcile bloomberg saying "Redesigned MacBook Pros are expected to debut as soon as early this summer" and everyone else saying that they're being pushed back until next year?
- saagarjha 5y agoWith rumors it’s generally better to trust sources like Bloomberg, especially if they have newer information. Other rumors seem to indicate that the machines may launch but be supply-constrained.
- BugsJustFindMe 5y agoI remember what happened the last time Bloomberg published rumors though.
- mraza007 5y agoSo does it mean I should wait for the newer mac to come out As I was thinking to buy M1 mac
- paulpan 5y agoYes, at least a few weeks until WWDC 2021. But it also depends on your use case. Seems from this article that 1) New Macbook Pro 16 and 14 likely announced at WWDC in June with a "M1X" SOC 2) New Macbook Air and Mini refresh in the fall with an "M2" SOC M1X > M2 > M1 in terms of pure performance. So if you need high performance, then at least wait for WWDC. If not, then can probably get the M1 now or wait until the expected sales post WWDC.
- mraza007 5y agogot it. thanks btw I'll definitely get the latest upcoming macbook
- plowman 5y agoYes, you should wait, especially if you're looking for a 16" MacBook Pro. The first batch of M1 macs were announced on Nov 10th, 2020, and the 16" MacBook Pro hasn't been refreshed with an M* chip yet, so that will probably happen soon. The article claims it will happen "early summer", but within the next 6 months is a pretty safe bet. Here's a good guide on how long each specific Mac has gone without updating, with guesses on when it's a bad idea to buy now: https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#MacBook_Pro_16 https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#MacBook_Pro_16
- mraza007 5y agothank you for the insight and I'll definitely wait as I'm in no rush and happy with my old dell xps laptop.
- joeevans1000 5y agoGenuinely consider looking at your non-Apple options. Seriously. I've had many, many macs, but recently they forced me into looking at other options, and they are stunning. Especially in terms of price and ports.
- StreamBright 5y ago>> Apple Inc. is preparing to release several new Mac laptops and desktops with faster processors, new designs and <b>improved connectivity to external devices</b>, accelerating the company’s effort to replace Intel Corp. chips and leapfrog rival PC makers. How would they do that if there are no ports on the new devices? Seriously though, I do not buy devices without HDMI and UTP port. Dell is pretty generous with the ports and 5300 is pretty amazing. I wish Apple had some sanity in the team that decides what ports go on devices. https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-laptops-and-notebooks/latitude-5300-business-laptop/spd/latitude-13-5300-laptop https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-laptops-and-notebo...
- cuddlybacon 5y agoI've been waiting for a 16-inch M1 MacBook Pro to come out. I've been delaying my work upgrade for it. I'm curious what the I/O situation will be. Will it be able to output to two 4k screens or not. The 13-inch cannot, so I'm not holding my breath.
- wyre 5y agoArticle says the chip will be able to support multiple thunderbolt ports, and they are adding HDMI. I would imagine it will support 2 4K monitors.
- cuddlybacon 5y agoThat's a good sign. I do hope it works out that way.
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- AtlasBarfed 5y agoAn 8k TV is not that expensive. They are coming soon. https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-65-inch-Class-Q800T-Built/dp/B084QHZP1N/ https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-65-inch-Class-Q800T-Built/dp/... The port standards to support 8k exist already. As do the cables. And the super-high DPI is basically only useful to people sitting close to them... which is what someone doing MBP work will be doing. 2x4k would be a cop-out. I'd say 1x8k + 2x4k should be what an MBP should support. You know, if it does mean "professional".
- sgt101 5y agono professional would be using a TV as a monitor.
- cercatrova 5y agoWhat kind of professional? I do programming and I work just fine with my 48 inch 4k LG OLED. Sure, it's big, but it's only $1.5k with features that monitors currently don't have, such as OLED with 120 hz.
- pjerem 5y ago« New design » ? I would totally love that they port the new iMac white&color design to the laptops. I miss colors on laptops. I miss the white MacBook. The last decade of aluminum is so boring.
- dpedu 5y agoWhen the first Touchbar macs were released I instantly knew I would never buy one but I held onto the hope that it would just be in one or two generations before fading away. That was 5 years ago and I'm over it. Still makes me sad though.
- sharken 5y agoVery tempting, but will still hold out for a Ryzen 5000 series laptop, preferably the 5600U/5800U with good battery life and a 15 inch screen. Unfortunately the global chip shortage makes it a long wait.
- tomerbd 5y agoframe.work looks really interesting with ubuntu
- joeevans1000 5y agoHaha. Too little, too late. Screw Apple and their total wholesale abandonment of the professional user. It turns out they didn't care a bit for the loyal users that made them what they are. I don't want to spend thousands on a laptop only to have to spend hundreds more on a horrendous undesired pile of adapters just to do professional things. I don't want to spend absurd amounts to get non-upgradable RAM at the relative price your competitors offered it for years ago. I don't intend to buy all my accessories from your dinky expensive store. I don't want to have to get Bluetooth headphones with a special Apple sanctioned chip just to get them to work. You can keep zeroing in on the fun loving, family picture obsessed, Candy Crush users with all your vanishing ports. You've turned my decades of unfortunate, as it turns out, Apple loyalty into genuine internet research into my alternatives. And now that the blinders are off I have found laptops with 64GB of upgradable RAM for a fraction of your cost. Laptops with professional connectivity for professional users. Features that aren't, obviously, where the money is for you. Well, as you see it, anyway. Because I think you've seriously undervalued the impact of tens of thousands of young music fans seeing their favorite artist on stage with the apple logo on their laptop lid. Those artists are ditching your lame and arrogantly priced machines and swapping them for far, far more powerful machines at a fraction of the cost. The top names are hanging in because they can, but tomorrow's stars are starting their game with intelligence. The tide turns quickly with young people. And while Apple has apparent changed tact (and we'll see if that's actually true) a seismic shift has already occurred in the younger population.
- joeevans1000 5y agoHere come the downvotes, lol. I have spent literally tens of thousands on Apple, so I understand how deep the sunk-cost-fallacy fanboy thing runs.