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The replies to this are emblematic of HN culture -- a whole lot of quick dismissals without engaging with why this might exist, who it might benefit, and who it

The replies to this are emblematic of HN culture -- a whole lot of quick dismissals without engaging with why this might exist, who it might benefit, and who it might turn away. A decade ago everyone was telling me how millennials were lazy or disconnected or didn't understand the real world. And it felt pretty bad. I'm seeing all the same commentary shifted down a generation to GenZ without any introspection. Yes, you might find this silly, and yes, you might not want to get hired this way. But also consider that for some companies, for some roles, or even for some pipelines there could be benefits to broadening the applicant pool. Some folks are going to have a hard time articulating their experience via resume, some folks are going to have a hard time articulating their experience via tiktok. Why wouldn't we want to consider folks from both input sources and let folks present themselves using the form they feel best conveys their strengths?

mc32 5y ago
I dunno. This strikes me as the digital version of driving over to The Home Despot and looking for some day hands to help you out with the yard or something like that —except it’s for service jobs rather than manual labor. I really loathe the “sell yourself via video snippet” aspect. It’s inhumanely degrading.
- xvector 5y ago
  > It’s inhumanely degrading. Hyperbole much? There are a lot of inhumane, degrading things in this world. TikTok videos are not one of them. Anyways, clearly some people thought it would be cool and interesting. I think this will be an interesting alternative for those that don’t do well with resumes. Fortunately, no one is going to make you use this, so I don’t know why everyone here is acting like it will be forced on them. This is obviously a secondary application method, one that will work particularly well for creative or extroverted types.
  - mc32 5y ago
    It’s only a few steps removed from a tryout at a strip club. I’m sure a class of hiring “managers” will like this option.
    - xvector 5y ago
      Short-video clips are a few steps removed from a tryout at a strip club? Can’t tell if sarcasm - surely you realize how absurd this sounds? It is simply a different way for candidates to express themselves.
      - mc32 5y ago
        When you’re initiating an interview process and it begins with a video snippet where the candidates “sell themselves”, it necessarily highlights photogenic candidates as well as exposes their ticks. This may well skew hirings toward the younger demographic.
        yaml-ops-guy 5y ago
        When you put it like that...I still think the strip club comparison was weird because I can think of at least one other other common and far less contentious career-path with an interview/try-out process similar to this: Acting. Is there perhaps something deeper you want to say about sex workers that’s going unsaid right now?
        mc32 5y ago
        Acting is apt; however, at least in principle you’re doing a screen test given you want to ensure acting ability as well as photogeneity. But we also know the colloquial acting couch. Strip clubs don’t care what your skills are, they mostly look for the eye candy their clientele seeks. Video is similar in that it doesn’t care about skills other than maybe being able to present yourself at the cost of all other attributes.
        yaml-ops-guy 5y ago
  - selfhoster11 5y ago
    > Hyperbole much? There are a lot of inhumane, degrading things in this world. There are degrees of inhumane and degrading. Sure, there are plenty of worse things than having to apply via a video CV on Tiktok, but that's a difference in magnitude and not a difference in kind.
- williamdclt 5y ago
  > I really loathe the “sell yourself via video snippet” aspect. It’s inhumanely degrading. Interesting, why do you find it more degrading than selling yourself via text snippet (your CV)?
  - mc32 5y ago
    Of course. Text doesn’t care about looks, presentation, voice, speaking skills, etc. It does require forethought, ability to organize things logically, and present the best aspect of your work history, accomplishments and future potential with much less ability to judge and dismiss within mere seconds.
    - oefrha 5y ago
      > Text doesn’t care about looks, presentation, voice, speaking skills, etc. Lots of jobs care precisely about those. Most notably sales, but also most other customer-facing jobs. Even for jobs where these aren’t the primary skills, they contribute to overall success. People who are good at these can equally complain that text doesn’t do them justice. In any case, calling these inhumanely degrading is just a subtle way to be inhumanely degrading to people who possess these qualities. It tells us more about you than the process honestly.
      - mc32 5y ago
        I don’t dispute that. However, a video snippet has the potential of disqualifying many prospects before they’ve interacted with a hiring manager because of their short video —which I hold gives them the short shrift.
      - selfhoster11 5y ago
        Great. So now the job market is rigged even more against: - introverts - people without well-developed social skills - people who do OK with smaller, familiar audiences (think an office with 40 co-workers) but not OK with larger, unfamiliar audiences (public speaking and presentation) - non-neurotypicals than it already was in the text CV era. How is that an improvement? Extroverts and people who know how to operate in the society already have an unfair advantage, we don't need to give them yet more of it.
cblconfederate 5y ago
You should realize that HN audience is old and graying, I was really looking forward to new tech forums populated by younger people, but havent seen any popular ones.
- drannex 5y ago
  I would highly suggest Tildes, it's a little more varying than HN with much better discussions. https://tildes.net/ https://tildes.net/ I'll drop a few invite codes below for anyone interested (if they are all used, let me know) https://tildes.net/register?code=I448A-IEYUI-UDNWH https://tildes.net/register?code=I448A-IEYUI-UDNWH https://tildes.net/register?code=VDTMC-SBJTQ-PTW9X https://tildes.net/register?code=VDTMC-SBJTQ-PTW9X https://tildes.net/register?code=HEX3N-VA48Z-AIJIT https://tildes.net/register?code=HEX3N-VA48Z-AIJIT https://tildes.net/register?code=7L0GO-L4BZ0-962ZN https://tildes.net/register?code=7L0GO-L4BZ0-962ZN Note: I am not affiliated with Tildes, just an active member who wants the community to grow.
  - kossTKR 5y ago
    All of them says invalid?
    - deleted 5y ago
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    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
      - ajdude 5y ago
        Too late all gone
  - stronsay 5y ago
    They're all gone.
  - ipaddr 5y ago
xvector 5y ago
HN has decided it hates TikTok, and so it is. No one here will care to read deeper. Despite the (for whatever reason) superior/smug attitude of the readers on here, they’re still party to extreme groupthink.
- rapind 5y ago
  An alternative hypotheses; TikTok really is horrible (along with many other social media companies) and it’s not old farts, ego, or groupthink.
  - wutbrodo 5y ago
    The thing is, you can have negative feelings about tiktok (I am) without thinking that their jobs service is useless or doomed to failure. I'm not much of a social media user, despite being of an age full of extremely active users. I find Tiktok in particular annoying, like someone took the inauthenticity of mediocre YouTube creators and decided that every user in the network should ape it. But that has nothing to do with the jobs service, the fact that it may expand a company's recruiting reach or provide opportunity to those who don't fit well into the stodgy workflow of traditional job apps. Just because the tiktok application format wouldn't fit my co's hiring doesn't mean that there aren't tons of jobs for whom a short demonstration of personality and creativity is signal as useful as a resumé.
  - xvector 5y ago
    HN definitely has a negative attitude towards TikTok in particular, that goes beyond its normal hate of social media.
    - tw04 5y ago
      Not really. Facebook gets far, far more attention and negative attention around here than tiktoK.
      - esturk 5y ago
        The difference is that most people on here have used Facebook (wrote and read something) while I'm pretty certain most people here have not created a video on Tiktok.
mrtksn 5y ago
Politics is eating the world. Everything is forced to be looked through the eyes of clans and governance. It’s upsetting, uncreative and harmful.
- clarkevans 5y ago
  Politics is about deciding what should be society's rules of liberty and economics in the game we call modern life.
  - mrtksn 5y ago
    Imagine if games were made of discussions on how the game should be. it’s important stuff but should not be replacing the stuff that it’s supposed to regulate. Intense rule making periods are tragedies. Everything of substance is easily lost on the promise that we will have more of it in the future. At the end, often the rules remain about the same but the rulers change. Politics is not about philosophical argument but power distribution. It's not the case that the more you argue the better rules you produce. In the Middle East the everyday life is deep into politics and they failed to produce the outstanding rules.
- sangnoir 5y ago
  > Politics is eating the world. Everything is forced to be looked through the eyes of clans and governance When was this not the case - ever? Perhaps it didn't seem like "politics" for you in the past.
  - mrtksn 5y ago
    There’s always politics but politics is overhead. It necessary but if the overhead is too large it can easily eat up the bandwidth and leave no room for the actual stuff. You can’t do if all you do is arguing over what to do and how to do it. People have limited time and cognitive capacity.
    - sangnoir 5y ago
      > It necessary but if the overhead is too large it can easily eat up the bandwidth and leave no room for the actual stuff. This has always been the case - some sub-groups of the population didn't notice it because it wasn't their/our bandwidth being consumed. Pick any past century or decade, and I will name a group whose world was consumed by politics then.
pentae 5y ago
Its amusing that less than 24 hours ago on the 'how to write a resume that converts' thread many people commented that "Resumes are completely outdated", and now here we are with more negativity on this modern approach. For entry level jobs requiring young people that are customer facing, a video application makes a lot of sense to me. It also removes a lot of the awkwardness Gen Z's might feel going down to their local retailer and asking if they are hiring. My instinct says props to TikTok for at least trying something that's different and thinking a bit outside of the box
- toxik 5y ago
  Everyone’s a critic. It’s always easier to dismiss and be pessimistic than embrace and be constructive. In fact this very comment I write is dismissive itself.
- agumonkey 5y ago
  > Its amusing that less than 24 hours ago on the 'how to write a resume that converts' thread many people commented that "Resumes are completely outdated", and now here we are with more negativity on this modern approach. I find myself in state regularly. At least I know now how to recognize the paralizing absurdity. Still very often a new solution is best when it massages an old one to fix problems but the world seems to operate by big deviations that shock the status quo and then new and old blend again.
- bcrosby95 5y ago
  It isn't that amusing. It just shows that HN isn't a monoculture. This is why comments complaining about HN monoculture get upvoted. Because a large enough piece of the userbase agrees with both sides. If they didn't, those comments would just get downvoted and you would never see them. Kinda funny how that works. "See, lots of people agree that HN is a hivemind!" Proving it's not a hivemind.
- EvilEy3 5y ago
  > Its amusing that less than 24 hours ago on the 'how to write a resume that converts' thread many people commented that "Resumes are completely outdated", and now here we are with more negativity on this modern approach. Don't you know? Recruiter supposed to hire you by using their mind tricks, duh.
walshemj 5y ago
Ignoring the fact that in the many countries HR would quite rightly avoid asking for a picture in an aplication (apart from modeling / acting gigs oh and SC/DV jobs) to avoid potential legal blowback.
paulpauper 5y ago
I have observed young people today, on tiktok, wallstreetbets, and other communities, to generally be very savvy and cognizant of trends and good investments more so than older people, who get stuck in ruts, such as subscribing to hype/fud of zerohedge or peterschiff. TikTOk and Reddit investors are good at filtering out this bad advice and alarmism.
- reducesuffering 5y ago
  Is this satire? TikTok, IG, and WSB are comically bad and dangerous investment advice. Sure there are a few DD's on WSB that get upvoted to the top, but most are just jumping on a few tickers because someone said it's the next hot thing. Even worse on TikTok and IG, it's 99%: "look at BTC went 500% last year, buy the dip for another 5x" "these stocks are the future $RANDOM_SOLAR_PANEL_CO, $TSLA, $WEED_CO" The most generally knowledgeable sizeable investment advice community is on bogleheads.org and users are usually like age 35+. They're generally well informed on tax implications, century old historical performance, different asset classes, factor analysis, ETF securities lending, etc.
- selfhoster11 5y ago
  Meme-driven investing is riding on a short-term wave now, but soon everyone who didn't get off the bandwagon in time to save their gains will go home crying. The fact is that short-term (<10 years) investing is indistinguishable from gambling, unless you're Warren Buffett. Investment should be done accordingly, with the plan to get rich slowly if you want to be certain of the outcome.
tmpz22 5y ago
If we're going to go out of our way to acknowledge this new service could be a civic good we should also acknowledge that it could be immensely destructive. If you get to have optimism for a brand new corporate product launch from TikTok I get to have cynicism. Social media, particularly to Gen Z, and particulary TikTok, has a major focus on projecting success, wealth, beauty, and other aspects of vanity - often in unhealthy ways. Rich people tend to have more followers, white people tends to have more followers, blondes tends to have more followers, sexually provocative content tends to have more followers. I do not see TikTok shedding its whole zeitgeist to forward a a jobs product that helps the world.
- fpgaminer 5y ago
  > Gen Z [...] has a major focus on projecting success, wealth, beauty, and other aspects of vanity Focus on projecting success, wealth, and beauty is a tale as old as time. It is not unique to Gen Z, nor is it heightened in Gen Z. Funnily enough, those claims are also as old as time.
- dentemple 5y ago
  > Social media, particularly to Gen Z, and particulary TikTok, has a major focus on projecting success, wealth, beauty, and other aspects of vanity This statement can apply to LinkedIn as well.
- xnx 5y ago
  I must be seeing a different sides of Tiktok than you. The Tiktok I see has plenty of vanity (though nothing compared to Instagram), but also an immense amount honestness/earnestness/openness where Gen-Z shares its mistakes/embarrassments/awkwardness.
- lmilcin 5y ago
  > Social media, particularly to Gen Z, and particulary TikTok, has a major focus on projecting success, wealth, beauty, and other aspects of vanity - often in unhealthy ways. As if it wasn't true for basically entire human history. It is just the way in which the success or image of it is being projected that is changing. You, Mister, need to study history a little bit before you start to compare generations. Also get a little bit of distance and learn about your biases.
fapjacks 5y ago
You have just described literally every generation of humans that ever existed. The ancient Romans complained about their lazy, disconnected successor generations.
kodah 5y ago
> The replies to this are emblematic of HN culture -- a whole lot of quick dismissals without engaging with why this might exist, who it might benefit, and who it might turn away. Curiosity comes from exploring both positive and negative consequences. You now have the top comment, so how emblematic of HN's culture is that? This is the third time today I've read this sentiment and it's always someone frustrated that their view isn't as widely supported as they've hoped it would be. It's a big crowd here, from all across the world and the US. Trying to box HN much less HN users up is fruitless. Feel free to look at some of my post-history where I assumed I knew things about a user or their intent.
Eridrus 5y ago
It's extra funny since YC asks applicants to also submit a short video pitch, which is basically a TikTok.
nimbius 5y ago
>everyone was telling me how millennials were lazy or disconnected or didn't understand the real world. a decade ago was the single largest financial collapse in american history since the depression. millennials were told they would all get office jobs and a lexus. they all largely got working-poor fast food jobs and endless student debt. now GenZ is looking at the same prospect. Covid and stagnant wages, and unapproachable college debt. whatever Tiktok hopes to do, it needs to pivot from this malarkey where everyone needs to be a programmer and start offering trade jobs, which have been starving for new hires for 40 years. plumbing, HVAC, electrical, mechanical maintenance, and engine techs would stop traffic for a chance to so much as talk to someone from GenZ about the trade.
- Pfhreak 5y ago
  > techs would stop traffic for a chance to so much as talk to someone from GenZ about the trade. Pay more. Stop asking people to give up their physical health to compete on the job. Give them a career. Construction wages have decreased, adjusted for inflation, so it's not a surprise there's no interest in taking those jobs.
  - EvilEy3 5y ago
    > Pay more. Stop asking people to give up their physical health to compete on the job. Give them a career. Wow! What an insightful suggestion! If you aren't paying enough, just pay enough, duh.
    - selfhoster11 5y ago
      You are being sarcastic, but that is literally the fix. If you offer backbreaking work without matching compensation, it's clear that you won't get any applicants.
- bsder 5y ago
  > start offering trade jobs, which have been starving for new hires for 40 years. plumbing, HVAC, electrical, mechanical maintenance, and engine techs would stop traffic for a chance to so much as talk to someone from GenZ about the trade. Salaries in those fields have been flat. That shows that there is NOT some magic pent-up demand in the trades. Yes, a lot of people would like a flood of tradespeople to drive those flat salaries down but that does not mean that there is a shortage.
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mc32 5y ago

I dunno. This strikes me as the digital version of driving over to The Home Despot and looking for some day hands to help you out with the yard or something like that —except it’s for service jobs rather than manual labor. I really loathe the “sell yourself via video snippet” aspect. It’s inhumanely degrading.

xvector 5y ago
> It’s inhumanely degrading. Hyperbole much? There are a lot of inhumane, degrading things in this world. TikTok videos are not one of them. Anyways, clearly some people thought it would be cool and interesting. I think this will be an interesting alternative for those that don’t do well with resumes. Fortunately, no one is going to make you use this, so I don’t know why everyone here is acting like it will be forced on them. This is obviously a secondary application method, one that will work particularly well for creative or extroverted types.
- mc32 5y ago
  It’s only a few steps removed from a tryout at a strip club. I’m sure a class of hiring “managers” will like this option.
  - xvector 5y ago
    Short-video clips are a few steps removed from a tryout at a strip club? Can’t tell if sarcasm - surely you realize how absurd this sounds? It is simply a different way for candidates to express themselves.
    - mc32 5y ago
      When you’re initiating an interview process and it begins with a video snippet where the candidates “sell themselves”, it necessarily highlights photogenic candidates as well as exposes their ticks. This may well skew hirings toward the younger demographic.
      - yaml-ops-guy 5y ago
        When you put it like that...I still think the strip club comparison was weird because I can think of at least one other other common and far less contentious career-path with an interview/try-out process similar to this: Acting. Is there perhaps something deeper you want to say about sex workers that’s going unsaid right now?
        mc32 5y ago
        Acting is apt; however, at least in principle you’re doing a screen test given you want to ensure acting ability as well as photogeneity. But we also know the colloquial acting couch. Strip clubs don’t care what your skills are, they mostly look for the eye candy their clientele seeks. Video is similar in that it doesn’t care about skills other than maybe being able to present yourself at the cost of all other attributes.
        yaml-ops-guy 5y ago
- selfhoster11 5y ago
  > Hyperbole much? There are a lot of inhumane, degrading things in this world. There are degrees of inhumane and degrading. Sure, there are plenty of worse things than having to apply via a video CV on Tiktok, but that's a difference in magnitude and not a difference in kind.
williamdclt 5y ago
> I really loathe the “sell yourself via video snippet” aspect. It’s inhumanely degrading. Interesting, why do you find it more degrading than selling yourself via text snippet (your CV)?
- mc32 5y ago
  Of course. Text doesn’t care about looks, presentation, voice, speaking skills, etc. It does require forethought, ability to organize things logically, and present the best aspect of your work history, accomplishments and future potential with much less ability to judge and dismiss within mere seconds.
  - oefrha 5y ago
    > Text doesn’t care about looks, presentation, voice, speaking skills, etc. Lots of jobs care precisely about those. Most notably sales, but also most other customer-facing jobs. Even for jobs where these aren’t the primary skills, they contribute to overall success. People who are good at these can equally complain that text doesn’t do them justice. In any case, calling these inhumanely degrading is just a subtle way to be inhumanely degrading to people who possess these qualities. It tells us more about you than the process honestly.
    - mc32 5y ago
      I don’t dispute that. However, a video snippet has the potential of disqualifying many prospects before they’ve interacted with a hiring manager because of their short video —which I hold gives them the short shrift.
    - selfhoster11 5y ago
      Great. So now the job market is rigged even more against: - introverts - people without well-developed social skills - people who do OK with smaller, familiar audiences (think an office with 40 co-workers) but not OK with larger, unfamiliar audiences (public speaking and presentation) - non-neurotypicals than it already was in the text CV era. How is that an improvement? Extroverts and people who know how to operate in the society already have an unfair advantage, we don't need to give them yet more of it.

cblconfederate 5y ago

You should realize that HN audience is old and graying, I was really looking forward to new tech forums populated by younger people, but havent seen any popular ones.

drannex 5y ago
I would highly suggest Tildes, it's a little more varying than HN with much better discussions. https://tildes.net/ https://tildes.net/ I'll drop a few invite codes below for anyone interested (if they are all used, let me know) https://tildes.net/register?code=I448A-IEYUI-UDNWH https://tildes.net/register?code=I448A-IEYUI-UDNWH https://tildes.net/register?code=VDTMC-SBJTQ-PTW9X https://tildes.net/register?code=VDTMC-SBJTQ-PTW9X https://tildes.net/register?code=HEX3N-VA48Z-AIJIT https://tildes.net/register?code=HEX3N-VA48Z-AIJIT https://tildes.net/register?code=7L0GO-L4BZ0-962ZN https://tildes.net/register?code=7L0GO-L4BZ0-962ZN Note: I am not affiliated with Tildes, just an active member who wants the community to grow.
- kossTKR 5y ago
  All of them says invalid?
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
    - ajdude 5y ago
      Too late all gone
- stronsay 5y ago
  They're all gone.
- ipaddr 5y ago

xvector 5y ago

HN has decided it hates TikTok, and so it is. No one here will care to read deeper. Despite the (for whatever reason) superior/smug attitude of the readers on here, they’re still party to extreme groupthink.

rapind 5y ago
An alternative hypotheses; TikTok really is horrible (along with many other social media companies) and it’s not old farts, ego, or groupthink.
- wutbrodo 5y ago
  The thing is, you can have negative feelings about tiktok (I am) without thinking that their jobs service is useless or doomed to failure. I'm not much of a social media user, despite being of an age full of extremely active users. I find Tiktok in particular annoying, like someone took the inauthenticity of mediocre YouTube creators and decided that every user in the network should ape it. But that has nothing to do with the jobs service, the fact that it may expand a company's recruiting reach or provide opportunity to those who don't fit well into the stodgy workflow of traditional job apps. Just because the tiktok application format wouldn't fit my co's hiring doesn't mean that there aren't tons of jobs for whom a short demonstration of personality and creativity is signal as useful as a resumé.
- xvector 5y ago
  HN definitely has a negative attitude towards TikTok in particular, that goes beyond its normal hate of social media.
  - tw04 5y ago
    Not really. Facebook gets far, far more attention and negative attention around here than tiktoK.
    - esturk 5y ago
      The difference is that most people on here have used Facebook (wrote and read something) while I'm pretty certain most people here have not created a video on Tiktok.

mrtksn 5y ago

Politics is eating the world. Everything is forced to be looked through the eyes of clans and governance. It’s upsetting, uncreative and harmful.

clarkevans 5y ago
Politics is about deciding what should be society's rules of liberty and economics in the game we call modern life.
- mrtksn 5y ago
  Imagine if games were made of discussions on how the game should be. it’s important stuff but should not be replacing the stuff that it’s supposed to regulate. Intense rule making periods are tragedies. Everything of substance is easily lost on the promise that we will have more of it in the future. At the end, often the rules remain about the same but the rulers change. Politics is not about philosophical argument but power distribution. It's not the case that the more you argue the better rules you produce. In the Middle East the everyday life is deep into politics and they failed to produce the outstanding rules.
sangnoir 5y ago
> Politics is eating the world. Everything is forced to be looked through the eyes of clans and governance When was this not the case - ever? Perhaps it didn't seem like "politics" for you in the past.
- mrtksn 5y ago
  There’s always politics but politics is overhead. It necessary but if the overhead is too large it can easily eat up the bandwidth and leave no room for the actual stuff. You can’t do if all you do is arguing over what to do and how to do it. People have limited time and cognitive capacity.
  - sangnoir 5y ago
    > It necessary but if the overhead is too large it can easily eat up the bandwidth and leave no room for the actual stuff. This has always been the case - some sub-groups of the population didn't notice it because it wasn't their/our bandwidth being consumed. Pick any past century or decade, and I will name a group whose world was consumed by politics then.

pentae 5y ago

Its amusing that less than 24 hours ago on the 'how to write a resume that converts' thread many people commented that "Resumes are completely outdated", and now here we are with more negativity on this modern approach. For entry level jobs requiring young people that are customer facing, a video application makes a lot of sense to me. It also removes a lot of the awkwardness Gen Z's might feel going down to their local retailer and asking if they are hiring. My instinct says props to TikTok for at least trying something that's different and thinking a bit outside of the box

toxik 5y ago
Everyone’s a critic. It’s always easier to dismiss and be pessimistic than embrace and be constructive. In fact this very comment I write is dismissive itself.
agumonkey 5y ago
> Its amusing that less than 24 hours ago on the 'how to write a resume that converts' thread many people commented that "Resumes are completely outdated", and now here we are with more negativity on this modern approach. I find myself in state regularly. At least I know now how to recognize the paralizing absurdity. Still very often a new solution is best when it massages an old one to fix problems but the world seems to operate by big deviations that shock the status quo and then new and old blend again.
bcrosby95 5y ago
It isn't that amusing. It just shows that HN isn't a monoculture. This is why comments complaining about HN monoculture get upvoted. Because a large enough piece of the userbase agrees with both sides. If they didn't, those comments would just get downvoted and you would never see them. Kinda funny how that works. "See, lots of people agree that HN is a hivemind!" Proving it's not a hivemind.
EvilEy3 5y ago
> Its amusing that less than 24 hours ago on the 'how to write a resume that converts' thread many people commented that "Resumes are completely outdated", and now here we are with more negativity on this modern approach. Don't you know? Recruiter supposed to hire you by using their mind tricks, duh.

walshemj 5y ago

Ignoring the fact that in the many countries HR would quite rightly avoid asking for a picture in an aplication (apart from modeling / acting gigs oh and SC/DV jobs) to avoid potential legal blowback.

paulpauper 5y ago

I have observed young people today, on tiktok, wallstreetbets, and other communities, to generally be very savvy and cognizant of trends and good investments more so than older people, who get stuck in ruts, such as subscribing to hype/fud of zerohedge or peterschiff. TikTOk and Reddit investors are good at filtering out this bad advice and alarmism.

reducesuffering 5y ago
Is this satire? TikTok, IG, and WSB are comically bad and dangerous investment advice. Sure there are a few DD's on WSB that get upvoted to the top, but most are just jumping on a few tickers because someone said it's the next hot thing. Even worse on TikTok and IG, it's 99%: "look at BTC went 500% last year, buy the dip for another 5x" "these stocks are the future $RANDOM_SOLAR_PANEL_CO, $TSLA, $WEED_CO" The most generally knowledgeable sizeable investment advice community is on bogleheads.org and users are usually like age 35+. They're generally well informed on tax implications, century old historical performance, different asset classes, factor analysis, ETF securities lending, etc.
selfhoster11 5y ago
Meme-driven investing is riding on a short-term wave now, but soon everyone who didn't get off the bandwagon in time to save their gains will go home crying. The fact is that short-term (<10 years) investing is indistinguishable from gambling, unless you're Warren Buffett. Investment should be done accordingly, with the plan to get rich slowly if you want to be certain of the outcome.

tmpz22 5y ago

If we're going to go out of our way to acknowledge this new service could be a civic good we should also acknowledge that it could be immensely destructive. If you get to have optimism for a brand new corporate product launch from TikTok I get to have cynicism. Social media, particularly to Gen Z, and particulary TikTok, has a major focus on projecting success, wealth, beauty, and other aspects of vanity - often in unhealthy ways. Rich people tend to have more followers, white people tends to have more followers, blondes tends to have more followers, sexually provocative content tends to have more followers. I do not see TikTok shedding its whole zeitgeist to forward a a jobs product that helps the world.

fpgaminer 5y ago
> Gen Z [...] has a major focus on projecting success, wealth, beauty, and other aspects of vanity Focus on projecting success, wealth, and beauty is a tale as old as time. It is not unique to Gen Z, nor is it heightened in Gen Z. Funnily enough, those claims are also as old as time.
dentemple 5y ago
> Social media, particularly to Gen Z, and particulary TikTok, has a major focus on projecting success, wealth, beauty, and other aspects of vanity This statement can apply to LinkedIn as well.
xnx 5y ago
I must be seeing a different sides of Tiktok than you. The Tiktok I see has plenty of vanity (though nothing compared to Instagram), but also an immense amount honestness/earnestness/openness where Gen-Z shares its mistakes/embarrassments/awkwardness.
lmilcin 5y ago
> Social media, particularly to Gen Z, and particulary TikTok, has a major focus on projecting success, wealth, beauty, and other aspects of vanity - often in unhealthy ways. As if it wasn't true for basically entire human history. It is just the way in which the success or image of it is being projected that is changing. You, Mister, need to study history a little bit before you start to compare generations. Also get a little bit of distance and learn about your biases.

fapjacks 5y ago

You have just described literally every generation of humans that ever existed. The ancient Romans complained about their lazy, disconnected successor generations.

kodah 5y ago

> The replies to this are emblematic of HN culture -- a whole lot of quick dismissals without engaging with why this might exist, who it might benefit, and who it might turn away. Curiosity comes from exploring both positive and negative consequences. You now have the top comment, so how emblematic of HN's culture is that? This is the third time today I've read this sentiment and it's always someone frustrated that their view isn't as widely supported as they've hoped it would be. It's a big crowd here, from all across the world and the US. Trying to box HN much less HN users up is fruitless. Feel free to look at some of my post-history where I assumed I knew things about a user or their intent.

Eridrus 5y ago

It's extra funny since YC asks applicants to also submit a short video pitch, which is basically a TikTok.

nimbius 5y ago

>everyone was telling me how millennials were lazy or disconnected or didn't understand the real world. a decade ago was the single largest financial collapse in american history since the depression. millennials were told they would all get office jobs and a lexus. they all largely got working-poor fast food jobs and endless student debt. now GenZ is looking at the same prospect. Covid and stagnant wages, and unapproachable college debt. whatever Tiktok hopes to do, it needs to pivot from this malarkey where everyone needs to be a programmer and start offering trade jobs, which have been starving for new hires for 40 years. plumbing, HVAC, electrical, mechanical maintenance, and engine techs would stop traffic for a chance to so much as talk to someone from GenZ about the trade.

Pfhreak 5y ago
> techs would stop traffic for a chance to so much as talk to someone from GenZ about the trade. Pay more. Stop asking people to give up their physical health to compete on the job. Give them a career. Construction wages have decreased, adjusted for inflation, so it's not a surprise there's no interest in taking those jobs.
- EvilEy3 5y ago
  > Pay more. Stop asking people to give up their physical health to compete on the job. Give them a career. Wow! What an insightful suggestion! If you aren't paying enough, just pay enough, duh.
  - selfhoster11 5y ago
    You are being sarcastic, but that is literally the fix. If you offer backbreaking work without matching compensation, it's clear that you won't get any applicants.
bsder 5y ago
> start offering trade jobs, which have been starving for new hires for 40 years. plumbing, HVAC, electrical, mechanical maintenance, and engine techs would stop traffic for a chance to so much as talk to someone from GenZ about the trade. Salaries in those fields have been flat. That shows that there is NOT some magic pent-up demand in the trades. Yes, a lot of people would like a flood of tradespeople to drive those flat salaries down but that does not mean that there is a shortage.

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