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Apple TV 4K Gets A12 Bionic
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- ed25519FUUU 5y agoI'd really love it if I could access the Apple TV while it's not being used. It's very powerful. It could run a home VPN, or accelerated image/video encoding (of which it can do VERY FAST). The reality is that it's a very powerful box that largely just sits there.
- azalemeth 5y agoExactly. I have an iPad Pro that is compatible with Checkrain. Being able to SSH into it and do stuff is a useful godsend. I've no idea why Apple won't let users actually use their devices -- and I write this on a rooted Android phone.
- minikites 5y ago>I've no idea why Apple won't let users actually use their devices Why would Apple let you do it yourself when they can juice their services revenue by making you pay for the same functionality?
- FredPret 5y agoHow many Apple users are chomping at the bit to SSH into their TV or tablet? I’d rather them spend the time streamlining the 1-2% of use-cases that make up 99% of actual device use.
- azalemeth 5y agoGood point. But, given frankly how many developers I know with Apple products, I suspect it may well be higher than you think. The main thing I like is flexibility: I have a home-built Kodi PVR with a TV tuner on a raspberry pi 4 in a neat little box. It works brilliantly, and also doubles as an adblocking nameserver, always-on reverse tunnel so I can access files stored at home remotely despite many layers of NAT, etc. There's no reason Apple's products couldn't do this.
- FredPret 5y agoI agree, that’s a great use-case. But the main thing with Apple is that they manage the scope for life’s little bugs to creep into their UX by aggressively minimizing the number of things they attempt to do. Think about how many times you unlock your phone, open the keyboard, open an app, etc, versus how many times you need to do something power-user-ish like running an adblocking nameserver, or any kind of server. They should spend money and brain-time optimizing the first things, first. The latter is still important and cool but shouldn’t be doing it at all if they can’t slot it neatly into their smooth user experience. As an investor I also don’t want them risking their super valuable brand and spending money developing fringe applications. You can buy a $50 RPi for that!
- minikites 5y agoPutting that much power in a TV box doesn't make any sense to me. If it was for Apple Arcade, then they need to ship an actual controller by default. Apple is half-assing it with more and more products because people keep buying them anyway.
- rodgerd 5y agoFor me it's the simple irritation that if I have an AppleTV autoplaying my sleepytime music to my room, or the radio to the kitchen in the morning, and someone else starts using it to watch TV, it replaces all those audio streams. C'mon, you can't tell me it is unable to do more than one thing at a time.
- minikites 5y agoI find it astounding that Apple ceded control of Wi-Fi routers to companies much less trustworthy than Apple, but they insist on making overpriced TV boxes and smart speakers that nobody is buying.
- ectospheno 5y agoTheir routers ran NetBSD. You can still do that if you want. As for Apple TVs, I own five.
- minikites 5y agoYou thoroughly missed my point. Apple could be innovating in so many ways if they had control of the router (home VPN, control nexus for smart home devices), an area which they have an advantage (trust in updates, security, privacy). I think ceding that ground to less trustworthy companies in TP-Link, Eero, and Ubiquiti is dumb. >As for Apple TVs, I own five. Then you have a greater incentive to defend a substandard product so you don't feel foolish.
- FredPret 5y agoApple TV is substandard? Maybe you don’t like it or prefer something else, but “substandard”? I do hope they branch into routers though, not sure there’s a lot of money to be made there, but would be nice to see as a consumer. Maybe if they sell an ultra-premium, very secure router.
- pseudalopex 5y agoApple TV is a control nexus for smart home devices if your smart home devices use HomeKit.
- ectospheno 5y agoA TP-Link EAP225v3 is a solid access point. It cost $60. Apple left the space because there is no money in it.
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- addflip 5y agoHere's the press release. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/04/apple-unveils-the-next-generation-of-apple-tv-4k/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/04/apple-unveils-the-nex...
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- edsemail123 5y agoThat link says that it has the A10x fusion, doesn't seem to mention the A12 at all.
- valuearb 5y agoIts the link for the old model.
- crazygringo 5y agoAnd still no support for spatial audio with AirPods Pro? I continue to be mystified why spatial audio only works for watching movies on iOS devices. I know the official explanation is that the host device needs an accelerometer and gyroscope... but Apple TV's tend to stay still, you know. It baffles me why you can get amazing spatial audio watching a movie on a tiny screen... or regular stereo audio watching a movie on an amazing huge TV... but not together. (And if you haven't tried spatial audio with content that supports it, you should -- it really is stunning, kind of like the difference in going from black-and-white movies to color movies, only for your ears.)
- minikites 5y agoThe entire advantage of Apple is supposed to be that they're one company and all of their products work together, but that's becoming less and less true over time. AirPods and HomePods barely work with Macs compared to how they work with iOS devices. Apple has boasted about how you can fit all of their products on a conference room table, yet they don't actually work together well. What else are they doing with their time?
- harikb 5y agoI use AirPods just fine with Macs. I also easily switch between Mac and iPhone reliably and easily. What particular annoyances are you talking about?
- _ph_ 5y agoHaving spatial audio of the AirPods Max supported on any device you want to watch a movie on? And up to date, Homepods are not really supported on MacOS, though support seems to be in 11.3.
- tonoto 5y agoI recently came over to "Apple"-world after years of listening to all the fanatics/ambassadeurs who proclaims "it just works". I've been using an Apple AIO computer (model Imac 5k) for a couple of years as a web browser, but recently I started the switch from Android eco system and first I bought the "pro" model of their wireless headset just to find out that they worked pretty decently (albeit, overly expensive) as bluetooth headset even to my Sony phone, then I bought the their mobile phone ("12 pro") and also their smartwatch ("series 6"). After I switched from Android I did a reset to my headset and paired it with all my Apple devices. Success rate of switching sound between computer, phone and watch against the headset varies alot. Sometimes it just works but almost half of the times I have to fiddle with sound output in computer to select the "airpods pro" or in the phone to select the bluetooth headset. Not to mention that even directly in the phone I had troubles to answer in Hangouts with sound output/input redirected to the headset, even though it says "Airpods pro" beneath the bluetooth symbol to show it is actively connected to de device. Also in the computer there are several occassions where the "wheel" is spinning, in the attempt to connect to the headset. This thing "it just works" feels like a fraud to me, I can't remember since Android 2.x (I never had the 3.x, only 4.x, 5.x, 6.x, 8.x, 9.x and 10.x) that I had sound/connection issues like this. Although I have not had a bluetooth headset linked between my Linux computers and Android phones, I have shared multipoint bluetooth headsets between two different android phones and switched over without these kind of obstacles I now have.
- justaguy88 5y agoIs HDR the only added feature?
- ascagnel_ 5y agoHDR isn't an added feature (the previous version of the box already supported 4K HDR); it's the high-framerate support (with HDR) that's the added feature.
- oivey 5y agoThe old model supports HDR. I think the new high frame rate HDR is new, though.
- braum 5y agoAFAIK HDR is in the current 4k apple tv.
- rolobio 5y agoI have the last 4K TV model, and I loathe the remote. Will the new remote be backwards compatible?
- robin_reala 5y agoYes. (As per https://www.macrumors.com/2021/04/20/new-apple-tv-siri-remote/ https://www.macrumors.com/2021/04/20/new-apple-tv-siri-remot...)
- breals 5y agoThe new Siri Remote will be available separately for $59, and is compatible with the previous-generation Apple TV 4K and Apple TV HD.
- FredPret 5y agoBest news ever. Fast-forwarding on the old remote has me flummoxed and my partner in stitches
- glhaynes 5y agoI find it works great — on the 10% of attempts that I don't accidentally scrub back to the first minute of the movie.
- FredPret 5y agoWhen I try it I end up summoning Beelzebub, Siri is screaming obscenities at me, we’ve skipped the episode we were watching, and my partner is crying with laughter
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- goodcjw2 5y agoHonestly speaking, the problem with Apple TV is that chips like A12 are such a overkill for TV box use cases. I recently purchased a $30 Roku and find it has almost 99% of the features that an Apple TV would have (including airplay2). Yes, Apple TV would have better color, visual quality, etc, but that's way into the realm of dismissed return for the investment IMHO.
- conception 5y agoIt’s insane they don’t package a first party controller and just take the video console space over with it.
- goodcjw2 5y agoYeah, sounds like natural next step. But building a game console ecosystem turns out to be 10x harder than building the hardware itself.
- tshaddox 5y agoThat's true, but Apple already has a rich and successful game ecosystem on iPhones which are roughly the same hardware as the Apple TV. They have all the ingredients, and they've even made a visible attempt by offering Apple Arcade on the Apple TV. Wireless console controllers also work on Apple TV. It's just clear that the resources and effort haven't been made to get their Arcade developers to do the extra work to really make their titles work well on big TVs with console controllers.
- fomine3 5y agoGames on iPhone is really succeeded but I doubt it's thanks to Apple's effort.
- gurkendoktor 5y agoI had an Apple TV 4K and a couple of compatible gamepads, and I loved some of the early tvOS games! Rayman, Icycle (!!), Alto's Adventure, Badlands... Then I tried Apple Arcade and it's just terrible. First, performance for all the 3D-heavy games is exactly what you would expect on a 4K screen with an iPhone 7 GPU. The iPhone XR GPU won't solve that. But I'm also convinced that Apple fundamentally doesn't get games. A lot of the content was just interactive storytelling. With a few notable exceptions, I felt like a suit who never owned a console or Steam account had picked games for me based purely on the marketing materials.
- ping_pong 5y agoAs a current AppleTV 4K owner, I have no idea how any of this is different from the previous version. I don't any any discernible difference. I already have HDR, Dolby Atmos, etc. What I really want is the ability to make my remote control beep so I can find it. That's literally the only feature that I want at this point.
- tokamak-teapot 5y agoI glued a Tile to ours
- sevencolors 5y agoWe have a house rule that if you use the remote, it stays on the coffee table and then goes back to a spot next to the TV when done. Otherwise the couch eats the remote. Feels like they could make it chirp like AirPods?
- slantyyz 5y agoReal question - does the Apple TV support multiple remotes? I've sort of addressed that problem with my FireTV by adding a remote. This way there's still a remote around that I can use while hunting for the one that I misplaced. I have not had a situation where I misplaced both remotes... yet...
- sevencolors 5y agoThere's a iOS app that can be used as a remote. Not sure about another physical remote. They're just paired like anything else so I would assume it's possible
- meepmorp 5y agoThey also redesigned the remote so that it's not a gigantic pain in the ass.
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- oivey 5y agoThe automatic color calibration looks be really nice. Most TVs are not well calibrated by default. I wish it would let you export the results to change the settings for all connected devices, but that’s probably too TV specific.
- antiterra 5y agoPeople on AV forums seem to enjoy giving $400+ to ISF certified calibrators, so maybe this is a nice middle ground?
- m3kw9 5y agoThe calibrated colours are output by AppleTV so
- mihail_m 5y agoThis is a great feature and kudos to Apple for bringing it to the previous generation of Apple TV. This feature will improve image quality without having to pay insane amounts for calibration.
- josteink 5y ago> This is a great feature and kudos to Apple for bringing it to the previous generation of Apple TV. I can’t see that mentioned anywhere. Got any details on that? Do you need some app or update?
- mihail_m 5y agohttps://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/04/apple-unveils-the-next-generation-of-apple-tv-4k/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/04/apple-unveils-the-nex... Go to the press release above, scroll down until the end, and refer to footnote 2. It is about calibration - it requires an iPhone with FaceID, IOS/tvOS 14.5 and is available as well for the 1st generation Apple TV 4K.
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- pradn 5y ago> the first streaming player to be both Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos certified Is this true? Through my `ChromeCast with Google TV`, I can get Dolby Vision (as my TV tells me) and Dolby Atmos (as my speakers tell me). I am reliably able to get these very noticeable formats via HBO Max. Or does this just mean they went the extra step to get some sort of official certification?
- rsanheim 5y agoFinally, a remote upgrade. It looks promising, and could be really great if they included some physical feedback on buttons for use in the dark.
- dangwu 5y agoYup - a remote with actual directional buttons was my biggest desire, so I’m really happy. I hate the touch scrolling of the previous Apple TV remote with a passion. It was so imprecise.
- plahteenlahti 5y agoThe new remote is a welcome change. If it's backwards compatible I might end up buying just to replace the current one which is very inaccurate for navigating.
- robenkleene 5y agoSince the link isn’t updated yet, here’s an article on the new A12 Apple TV https://www.shacknews.com/article/123934/new-apple-tv-4k-announced-during-apple-spring-loaded-event https://www.shacknews.com/article/123934/new-apple-tv-4k-ann...
- trevor-e 5y agoSuper disappointed they won't completely redesign the remote. I've never been so frustrated with a piece of hardware. - It's so small/light/slippery that it slides towards where you're sitting on the couch. Inevitably this means you'll press one of the buttons with your leg unless you put it away on a coffee table after every use. - Unless you use Siri or your phone, text input is literally swiping back and forth across a single array of characters. You can swipe in any direction on the remote... why would they make text a single row instead of a keyboard layout? - There's no "back" button. With TV you are often switching back and forth between two shows, a feature virtually every TV remote has had for 20+ years. I get the remote is supposed to be general purpose, but this is such a common interaction. edit: for some reason the submission link brought me to an old marketing page. I refreshed and looks like they did indeed redesign the remote, sucks I had to waste time writing my rant. :D
- CoreSet 5y agoIt’s not necessarily a substitute for a dedicated back button, but hitting the “Menu” button typically takes you to the previous step (unlike the TV icon, which takes you to the Apple TV watch page)
- Simplicitas 5y agoTotally agree. I will own an Apple TV until they provide an adequate remote.
- lfuller 5y agoThey did redesign the remote. It uses a click wheel instead of a touch pad, and they included a dedicated back button.
- gpanders 5y agoDid you see the new remote? It seems to solve many of your requests. I, too, absolutely hate the current Apple TV remote and I'm pumped they finally redesigned it. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/04/apple-unveils-the-next-generation-of-apple-tv-4k/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/04/apple-unveils-the-nex...
- Etheryte 5y agoI don't know if this was already a feature previously since I don't really keep tabs on the Apple TV, but I find it incredibly cool that you can use your iPhone to color calibrate the TV. This is the level of product integration I wish every company had, but recently I've only seen this with Apple. Granted I don't know how well the feature works in reality.
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- lesmond 5y agoI wonder if it can support more than 3 Bluetooth connections like the current one!
- wbond 5y agoI am constantly wondering why the fourth controller doesn't seem to pair. Thank you!
- ksubedi 5y agoDoes anyone know if the automatic color calibration tool they mentioned is coming to existing Apple TV's?
- smithza 5y agoI believe another comment mentioned that this will be supported in an OS update in the future for prev gens.
- throwastrike 5y agoI just want the remote. My kids completely destroyed my remotes 5x over.
- anw 5y agoI frequently travel, and bring my AppleTV with me to hook up to hotel TVs. It would be great if they made a way to support Web logins for WiFi. At the moment, I do t see a big change between this version and the one I own. If they added that feature, I’d buy it in a heartbeat so I could stop spoofing my AppleTV’s MAC on my laptop just to login to the hotel web portals.
- yellowyacht 5y agoI know people who plug the hotel ethernet into their own travel router to circumvent the captive portal. Though now you have to travel with another device
- azinman2 5y agoI just did this and used hotspot sharing from my phones LTE. Was faster than the WiFi I was at!
- marcosscriven 5y agoI prefer just taking an HDMI adapter for my phone, as it’s more compact.
- DevKoala 5y agoThey finally reworked the atrocity that was the old remote, great news. Just yesterday I had another issue in which I couldn’t tell which button I was pressing.
- paulpan 5y agoThe chip/SOC choice is perplexing: why only the A12 and not the more powerful A12X/A12Z? It would seem more future proof for graphics intensive workloads. For comparison, the A12 is ~30% better in CPU tasks but also ~30% worse in GPU tasks. https://www.anandtech.com/show/13661/the-2018-apple-ipad-pro-11-inch-review/5 https://www.anandtech.com/show/13661/the-2018-apple-ipad-pro...
- paxys 5y agoDisappointed by the update. I was hoping for more to set this $200 device apart from a $30 Fire Stick.
- pkulak 5y agoI wonder if this puppy will have hardware AV1 decoding support.
- softwaredoug 5y agoI'm happy that they ditched the old, confusing 'touch' Siri remote for a traditional four button (up/down/left/right) one. The old Siri remote was pretty frustrating. I know some people love it, but there's so many ways it didn't. work well: 1. You breath on the thing, and it does something. It's extremely sensitive 2. It's really hard to fast fwd/rewind just a little bit. Its good at scrubbing through a whole movie, but try to go back 30 seconds with it, it's nearly impossible. Even worse, if you accidentally touch it, the movie goes fwd/back, and you try to scrub precisely to where you were - pretty frustrating. 3. You're not touching the thing you're interacting with, and unlike a touchpad, you don't see a cursor you're moving. It's supposed to be 'like' you're touching the screen itself. 4. Most people who aren't somewhat tech savvy just will give up (I set my dad up with our roku elsewhere for this reason). They expect physical buttons and to be able to 'click' through channels. It's not even apparent until you use it for a while part of the remote is a touchpad, as it's all black It's like the remote was built for savvy iPhone users, not people that want to just watch TV. Apple TV has other usablity problems, but that was a big one for me that would make me question getting another one.
- RandallBrown 5y agoIf you click on the left or right side of the remote it will jump back or forward 10 seconds. Makes going back 30 seconds really easy.
- softwaredoug 5y agoWow, I will have to try this! Thanks for the tip.
- azinman2 5y agoFor some reason, this doesn’t always work, even though I see the 30 sec jog icon appear.
- tshaddox 5y agoIt’s probably your physical button. My button will audibly click when I have my thumb on the far left or right edge, but won’t actually trigger unless I press very firmly after hearing the click. Pressing the button with my thumb in the middle works reliably as expected. Apple support wouldn’t do anything about this except offer to sell me a replacement remote.
- merlyn 5y agoWhat I really want to see is the AppleTV turn into a video conferencing system. Almost everything is there now. Just need the camera (rumor was some Home Pod device may have one?) Let it run Zoom/Google Meets.
- robalfonso 5y agoOr facetime perhaps? I agree, it drives me nuts that I can't hook a camera to this, such a missed opportunity during the panedmic.
- minimaxir 5y agoTech specs confirm HDMI 2.1 (kinda required for the high framerate it's advertising)
- baby-yoda 5y agoThis is by far the least “Apple” product IMO. I hate that I can’t remove stock apps and I hate that I’m being sold to every second I’m in the UI. It’s so blatant. I paid for the box - I just want to use it for AirPlay and a small selection of apps I download, that’s all. Yet Apple treats it as a giant digital billboard in our living rooms.
- markphip 5y agoI use AppleTV exclusively, how do you feel you are being sold to? I am guessing it is in the Apple TV app? That is the only place I can think of where I see something like this but it does not seem drastically different from Netflix promoting shows to watch. I mainly use other apps and do not feel like I am seeing ads or anything that are coming from AppleTV.
- unfamiliar 5y agoTry using a Fire stick, it inserts literal ads. Same with my LG "smart" TV,it inserts ads down the side of its menu. The Apple TV is by far the lowest offender in this department.
- nostromo 5y agoI get it, but it's still a million times better than the competition. My Samsung TV showed me banner ads before I disconnected it from the internet.
- mywittyname 5y agoI use a roku and never feel this way. The only thing I could think of as an "ad" is on the screensaver, there are movies that float by, but I'm almost never looking at the screensaver anyway.
- cpuguy83 5y agoI had to turn off banner ads on my Roku-enabled TV... creepy stuff like "I see you are watching <movie>, try it on <app> for the best experience". This was while I was watching on an actual physical AppleTV, ads were from the Roku software in the TV.
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- AlphaWeaver 5y agoSomething that might be being overlooked - it looks like this supports pairing Xbox One controllers that use Xbox Wireless! This is a different standard than Bluetooth and should enable everyone who has Xbox controllers to easily use them in Apple Arcade. Impressive!
- philistine 5y agoI'm currently playing Shadow of the Tomb Raider on my M1 Mac using an Xbox One S controller. It fully vibrates and requires no setup at all. Apple introduced this pairing of Xbox and PS4 controllers very recently for all its devices. Its great. Shadow of the Tomb Raider, not so much. I can't get more than a steady 30 FPS.
- cyxxon 5y agoThat is a bit misleading: a lot of Xbox One wireless controllers work with Bluetooth, it seems Microsoft switched this during the production run. I have one at home for use with my PC, I don't own an Xbox, and it works without any receiver. My old 360 controller needs the wireless receiver though, that is the old protocol (or maybe not the same protocol? Not sure...)
- AlphaWeaver 5y agoIn the beginning, the Bluetooth versions of the controllers weren't sold with the console, and they were specialty, mostly for PC gamers. There's still a fair number of controllers out there that can only connect via Xbox Wireless. If the new Apple TV can actually pair with those, that's a big deal.
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- nostromo 5y agoThe iPad has had this for a while. It's really an entirely different (and much better) gaming experience. It makes your iPad more like a Nintendo Switch. Unfortunately most games ignore the controller because not enough people do this. If Apple is serious about gaming, they'll need to actually ship a controller with the Apple TV at some point.
- meepmorp 5y agoInterestingly, the tech specs for the new Apple TV lists Thread in the Ports and Connectivity section. Looks like they're getting more serious about home automation/IoT.
- tcskeptic 5y agoClickwheel! If its as good as the one on the old iPods I will be very happy, I have wanted this for a long time.
- josteink 5y agoMy number one complaint about the current Apple TV 4K is the lack of support for the HLG[1] HDR-format used by among others BBC. It means I need to play certain content on Android Plex on my actual TV and it just feels so unnecessary. Here’s me hoping they have that fixed with this new release. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Log-Gamma https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Log-Gamma Edit: Developer docs seems to imply it is supported, but I can’t see any software like Plex for tvOS actually enabling it, unlike on Android. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/avfoundation/avplayer/hdrmode/2936892-hlg https://developer.apple.com/documentation/avfoundation/avpla...
- DrBenCarson 5y agoSurprised/disappointed this didn’t also coincide with stuffing the old hardware into a “stick” form factor and calling it an Apple TV Mini. I want an Apple TV on every TV I own but it’s just too big in some cases.
- volta83 5y agoApple TV is the worst apple product i've ever owned. Last year, they released a software update that broke YouTube support for like 5-6 months, and once they "fixed" it, they immediately announced it would be removed 3 months later. You can still revert the software update, and YouTube works if you do that. But I'd rather have my money back and buy a different product instead. I consider "YouTube support" kind of critical for any Smart TV accessory. I called Apple Support about it, and they literally said "if you want your money back you'll have to sue us" and hanged up.
- ericmay 5y agoWhat model? I have an Apple TV (not a 4k version, couple years old) and YouTube works just fine for me. I have the latest updates.
- volta83 5y agoApple TV 3rd Gen.
- unfamiliar 5y agoSo the one released almost 10 years ago.
- volta83 5y agoExactly, the one that still works if I revert some software updates, but still always tries to update itself when connected to the internet. You know what replaced it? A white macbook from ~2008, which back then had a remote ! It still works. The EU law to make breaking hardware with software updates illegal can't come soon enough.
- adamhearn 5y agoApple TV is the best apple product I've ever owned. The UI is simple and works well. Airplay consistently outperforms every other 'casting' system I have tried. I have tried all the major brands of smart TV as well as every major brand of set top box. I have also installed many for clients. Not one client has called me and asked me how to do something on their Apple TV. However, I have received many calls asking for help with Roku devices. Have you found something that you like better than the Apple TV?
- _ph_ 5y agoI was so ready to pick up an AppleTV, but... No spatial audio with the Airpods Max? No separate digital audio out? Apple doesn't seem to like music :p
- fgblanch 5y agoI'm wondering how long it will take to get Mac OS Big Sur running in these new Apple TVs. The Apple Transition kit had an A12Z, Wikipedia says it is a "binned" version of A12 Bionic, therefore both chips have the same ARMv8.3 instruction set. I'm not sure of the performance but theoretically it should be possible to have 200 dollars ARM Macs running with this hardware.
- samgranieri 5y agoI hope the remote is better this time around. Honestly, I'm just using a logitech harmony: https://www.logitech.com/en-us/products/harmony/665-advanced-universal-remote.915-000293.html?crid=60 https://www.logitech.com/en-us/products/harmony/665-advanced... When I gave my in-laws my old apple tv (non-4k) that I bought in 2015, I made sure to get them another remote. I'll look forward to getting this upgrade in a few years. My current apple TV 4k is working just fine
- alberth 5y agoSo is this getting the exact same CPU that was previously in the iPad Pro (that Apple updated today)? If so, amazing supply chain efficiency to keep this same cpu around but now in a cheaper product.
- saagarjha 5y agoiPad Pro had A12X/Z, this has just "plain" A12 (although the microarchitecture is the same).
- jpdaigle 5y agoNo dual bluetooth. For some reason, the current crop of streaming devices all fail the use case of: 2 people want to watch a movie on headphones, without waking the kids. The current solution to this is airpods, where each person gets either the left or right ear. If there's one thing a premium device that costs twice what everything else does could do to differentiate itself, it would be supporting bluetooth pairing to multiple headphones at once.
- tlb 5y agoThey claim otherwise: "Audio Sharing lets you connect two sets of AirPods to your Apple TV 4K" [https://www.apple.com/apple-tv-4k/ https://www.apple.com/apple-tv-4k/]
- phendrenad2 5y agoThis is the Unix philosophy though. If you want to split the bluetooth output to two downstream devices, you need a bluetooth repeater with two outputs.
- mlacks 5y agoGod I am happy to not be in an in industry anywhere near Apple’s core competencies. I am a Sony apologist but the ecosystem apple is building around my life - and my home - is almost too convenient to not give into
- xtat 5y agoWait they had 4k already right?
- fearbeer 5y agoApple finally supports CEC, I can choose to not use the apple TV remote.