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Jump in cancer diagnoses at 65 implies patients wait for Medicare: study
- lucasmullens 6y agoI wonder what kind of circular logic this could create. Clearly we don't need to lower the age of Medicare eligibility, because 64-year-olds never get sick. 65 is the perfect cut-off based on the numbers! /s
- mlthoughts2018 6y agoThere would almost surely be a censoring effect no matter what age cutoff you pick, and even allowing for typical government incompetence, surely at some level health econometricians are involved in this type of policy and are aware and facilitate whatever trade-offs are being sought. I love roasting poor government policy decision making as much as the next person, but that would be a bridge too far.
- pjanoman 6y ago> There would almost surely be a censoring effect no matter what age cutoff you pick This seems to be an ethical argument to make the age cutoff 0: in other words, medicare for all. > surely at some level health econometricians are involved in this type of policy and are aware and facilitate whatever trade-offs are being sought. I feel like this article would not be massive news if this was true. The other case I recall that would be like this is when oil execs held back info that they were causing climate change. That seems to me to be completely different, however, because that was a private company and we're talking about government employees here.
- mlthoughts2018 6y agoI don’t see any reason your comment would be accurate. It all depends on trade-offs. If the goal is to reduce cost, then you could equally argue to get rid of medicare entirely. Clearly the goal (no matter what anyone’s separate normative opinion is) is to balance some complex tradeoff between costs borne by tax payers, costs borne by corporations (through taxes and through employer based healthcare for working age adults and their dependents), and a high level of access for all people. Nothing about this censored data effect can say anything about the morality of different regions of that trade off space. As to your second comment, this article is not massive news and it seems laughable to say it is. It’s just a blip in the news cycle, using some data artifact to drum up attention to something that is already well-known for any econometrician or health policy analyst. Full disclosure: I personally favor nationalized medicine and welcome higher taxes across the board. Nonetheless I don’t find your comment to be accurate or valuable.
- toast0 6y agoAlternatively, clearly we can afford to lower the age of Medicare eligibility to 64, because 64-year-olds never get sick, it won't cost very much at all. Actually, I think we should decrease the age of eligibility over time to gradually get towards Medicare for all; I would lower the eligibility age by 6 months every year for 10 years to get to age 60, then 1 year per year for 5 to get down to age 55, then 2 years per year until you're done; maybe speed up again later. That would give Medicare time to increase capacity, and everyone else time to plan accordingly. At some point you need to also deal with eligibility for people without work history and whatnot.
- tshaddox 6y agoIf only there was some lower bound on age that we could extend Medicare eligibility to and avoid this problem!
- cestith 6y agoHow about birth? Birth sounds good. And from conception to birth it's covered under the mother's name?
- DonCarlitos 6y agoOf course they do, and this is why medicare for all is a great idea. It strikes me as rather perverse that health care is largely a for-profit business and that even non-profits (like systems associated with religions) are all about cutting corners and maximizing revenues. It seems logicl to me that health care be a right.
- rednerrus 6y agoThis is the really insidious part: They don't have to cut corners. The government covers the majority of the sickest people. The average US citizen pays into the private pool for the majority of their healthy life and then gets handed off to the government to cover them when they get expensive. It's literally a ripoff.
- chmod600 6y agoI don't think the language of "rights" makes sense here. It conflates things like free speech or religion, which are self-serve rights, with something someone else must provide. Rights as in the Bill of Rights can be sued over endlessly in the courts. But the courts aren't a good place to sort out resource allocations, like doctor with patient. Imagine one person suing to be a pateint of a particular doctor (perhaps a specialist with uncommonly-good outcomes). Or someone suing for frequent helicopter ambulence rides from their remote cabin in the woods. These may be interesting questions to settle, but the language of "rights" is unhelpful.
- xxpor 6y agoThe bill of rights includes the right to an attorney. That's a resource allocation.
- centimeter 6y ago> The bill of rights includes the right to an attorney. You can't just show up whenever and get an attorney. You only get an attorney when the government is prosecuting you.
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- hirundo 6y agoWhen the cost of a service goes down the demand goes up. It would be notable if cancer treatment was an exception to that rule.
- ethanbond 6y agoTrue, but it’s especially worth paying attention to here because the cost to us goes up when they switch over to Medicare and the actual cost goes up because they now have a more difficult condition.
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- spaetzleesser 6y agoThat doesn’t work for medical treatments. If tooth extractions or colonoscopies were free people wouldn’t get more of them unless they were necessary. The current state of health care in the US causes people to not seek necessary care which results in much more expensive treatment later.
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- inopinatus 6y agoMy wife (a senior consultant, and director of medicine at a major Australian hospital) took her sabbatical at Stanford Medicine in part because of the elevated level of stage IV cancer presentation in the US. Key quote: "these are cases we hardly ever get to see at home". The financial disincentive to seek care is strong.
- MattGaiser 6y agoThis should be the follow up study. Are there higher rates of higher state cancer in America and do they correlate with access to health insurance?
- spaetzleesser 6y agoI think people are waiting too long. And hospitals are probably not unhappy with that. I bet there is way more money in late stage cancer treatments vs early stage.
- cced 6y agoWhen your system would rather make money from your treatment of stage 4 cancer than benefit from a healthy and cured stage 1 cancer survivor. I’m happy my taxes go towards helping people get out of stage 1 than seeing people live their final days in stage 4.
- xtracto 6y agoExactly, that's one reason why government paid social health care is aligned with this: The government benefits from doing prevention programmes as it is cheaper than late treatment. Germany had all kind of preventative help/medicine when I lived there.
- refurb 6y agoWhy would a private insurer not have the same incentive? Collect full premiums, but overall lower costs with early detection and treatment?
- srl 6y agoThe actual study is paywalled, but you can view the main figure here: https://acsjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/cms/asset/09416968-f2f8-4d15-9934-48603af93f34/cncr33498-fig-0001-m.jpg https://acsjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/cms/asset/094169... I'm not sure "patients wait for Medicare" is necessarily the right interpretation.
- sheeshkebab 6y agoAgree, patients wait for proper medical insurance and care would be better.
- toddh 6y agoWhich in the US means waiting for Medicare. Doesn't it? For most Americans there is no part of retirement and growing old that doesn't revolve around access to Medicare.
- breck 6y agoThis. Also, relatedly, speaking as someone who worked in National Cancer Institute-designated center, I can say that the reason why cancer has absolutely kicked our ass, that no one talks about, is actually because of paywall stuff like this. If you want to solve cancer, we need to abolish patents and copyrights. The combinatorics are still far outside our capabilities. At least 90% of the efforts of all cancer researchers are wasted, and we have less than 10% of the brainpower we need to solve it. Cancer is a political problem. Let's hope someone can get the truth to Biden. I have hope that he would have the courage to do what is right.
- spicymaki 6y agoYes, this is more evidence of the failure of the American health care system. If the US healthcare system really cared about outcomes, it would want people to be diagnosed earlier. It is clearly more economically efficient to treat malignant cancers earlier. We (Americans) all end up paying more with the perverse system we have.
- notyourwork 6y agoI cannot comprehend why anyone would be against health care for all? It seems like such a silly thing to vote against the idea that everyone is healthy. There are lots of agenda items on the political spectrum but healthcare seems like such a strange thing to not be supportive of. Can someone help explain to me what the oppositions point of view is?
- refulgentis 6y agoTL;DR gov't being involved in things is an absolute vice and/or actually the problem is not _enough_ free market I'm supportive of this being fair, it's not a negative take.
- typon 6y agoI was going to ask why Americans don't privatize their military but looking at the proliferation of mercenary company like Blackwater taking over military operations in Afghanistan/Syria/Yemen, maybe Americans are slowly starting to put money where their mouth is.
- cl0ckt0wer 6y agoInsurance companies pay a lot of money to ad companies and politicians to make sure they stay in business. Evil and straightforward.
- sokoloff 6y agoI’m not opposed to a well-functioning healthcare for all, but I can guess at a few possible oppositions: (all of these are phrased as generic first-person statements but by people who are not me) 1. I don’t want my healthcare to be provided by the same people who brought me a lifetime of experiences at the Department of Motor Vehicles. 2. Healthcare is expensive. I’m already paying for healthcare for my family and we’re struggling to get ahead; why would I want to pay for healthcare for others as well? 3. Good healthcare is expensive and I can afford and buy the best health insurance. I don’t want the best to be unavailable to me and my family because we’re all on a “just OK” government system. 4. I’m a medical professional and think that I will make less money under a government-provided system of care. 5. I’m a prescription drug manufacturer. See #4. 6. I’m a biotech research company. See #4.
- mikequinlan 6y agoWhen you first become eligible for Medicare you get a special 'Introduction to Medicare' appointment with your doctor. It takes an hour or so, includes extra tests, and discussion of different topics. People might not be 'waiting for Medicare' but instead may simply mention things in this more detailed appointment, or get extra tests, that they wouldn't normally.
- solosoyokaze 6y agoI think most people wouldn't "normally" get a checkup like this because it's extremely expensive to not just go to the doctor, but also deal with any issues that may be diagnosed.
- PragmaticPulp 6y agoFYI: Thanks to the Affordable Care Act, many annual wellness checkups are covered without copay or coinsurance for anyone with insurance. Anyone concerned should check into these benefits. Obviously, those without any form of health insurance still fall through the cracks.
- solosoyokaze 6y agoMy point was that it’s not the checkup that costs a lot, it’s the treatment of what’s discovered that keeps people from wanting to get diagnosed in the first place.
- zz865 6y agoYeah its free until you get a random bill from the lab for tests that weren't covered.
- maxerickson 6y agoMany providers will code those appointments differently if they depart from "preventative care". So like if you mention that your knee has been hurting, they will diagnose that and charge based on the diagnosis rather than the preventative care appointment.
- purple_ferret 6y agoSeeing a specialist at a decent hospital can cost you over a week's paycheck out of pocket just for an introductory 15 minute meet and greet. It isn't so much as 'waiting' as having no other option/getting stuck in some system where you've got no viable way to really figure out the cause of your symptoms. Not to mention the 55-65 age range seems to be particularly bad for for disposable income.
- thrower123 6y agoWith insurance, even. So many of even the "good" insurance policies have two or three thousand dollar deductibles, and things like specialists often get into byzantine co-insurance percentages.
- ihumanable 6y agoI have great insurance, every trip to the doctor is a fun waiting game as you get bill after bill in the mail for seemingly random amounts, by organization you've never heard of. Hmm... I went to Dr. Smith, I just got a bill from Sunshine Medical Associates for $37.82 and another bill from Kweil, Zatack, and Yttrium Health Services for $17.89 I guess I could call this number, spend an hour on hold, talk to someone, have them ask me if I know the procedure's billing code, go, "I have no idea what the billing code is" have them treat me like an idiot or skip that part and end up paying the bill because in the long run $17.89 is a small price to pay to not have your credit ruined. I recently called my insurance to check on out-of-network coverage for something they have no providers for, it is covered at 70% after a $750 deductible, but only up to the "Allowable Price." I asked them what the "Allowable Price" was for this procedure, and they responded that they couldn't provide that. Odd, it seems like when they go to bill me they will know that number, but I'm not allowed to know it before I submit the bill for reimbursement. Even if you spend a huge amount of time up front ticking off boxes and patiently being passed from one CSR to another, you can't figure out what anything is going to cost.
- mbg721 6y agoWhen people from the future look back, they'll call this sort of thing "corruption". This isn't the result of a free-market medical system, or a largely-socialist-at-different-points-but-not-here medical system, or any medical system at all; it's just a cynical way for the middlemen to make a few bucks, and as long as that's the incentive, nothing will get fixed for the sick person who needs healthcare.
- bluedino 6y agoWhat amount of effort should the government put into prolonging a 65 year old cancer patients life?
- jacques_chester 6y agoIt would be less if, for example, the focus was on intervening at 55, 45, 35 ...
- DanBC 6y agoWould it? What figures are you using for all cause mortality?
- rlayton2 6y agoA 65yo still has on average 10 to 20 years to live. Further they are often grandparents and today's "two working parents" economy is built on thinga like unpaid childcare from many grandparents. Also they are people.
- bluedino 6y agoThe question wasn’t should we, it’s how much should we spend.
- FalconSensei 6y agoIf you are strictly thinking about economical choices, there are two options that would cost less: 1 - Medicare for all, so those patients would receive treatment on early stages, which would cost less. 2 - No Medicare at all. Save money on treatment AND paying them retirement. I think 2 is kinda bad though
- spaetzleesser 6y agoThat’s a good question. I think the brits have these numbers. But keep in mind: the US is spending way more per GDP than any other country including the ones with universal health care. So you get less coverage for way more money. And life expectancy isn’t better either. Basically the current US system is way overpriced for the results it delivers.
- Valkhyr 6y agoThe richest third world nation in the world.
- centimeter 6y agoYes, and one of the big reasons is that the US doesn't spend as much money on welfare (incl. medical welfare) as European nations.
- jeffbee 6y agoTiming analysis in health care is amazing. There is plenty of documentation that hour and day of week affects physician intervention in births. Women who are in labor during normal work hours are much more likely to have medical interventions like cesarean section. On a weekend, the rate of these is far less. Basically it depends a lot on whether your attending doctors need to leave at 5pm on a Friday because they have theater tickets.
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- hn_throwaway_99 6y agoI really wonder what the eventual end state is of many problems in the US that really seem so glaringly apparent (i.e. the US healthcare system is the most expensive in the world with some of the worst outcomes compared to other 1st world countries) but also politically unfixable.
- cced 6y agoA healthy mix of finding new people to blame with the occasional spending of resources to make the unbearable bearable for a little while longer while the min-maxers find a new way to reduce spending to keep the cycle going.
- pm90 6y ago> I really wonder what the eventual end state is of many problems in the US that really seem so glaringly apparent We just had a pandemic with 500k lives lost, which almost all experts agree could have largely been avoided with a strong response. Yet, millions of Americans still voted for the person most directly responsible. So what happens to the country is quite clear. Morons get elected and run the country into even more crises until it gets so bad that the fundamental structures of social arrangements collapse. We've seen this happen in many civilizations; society seems incredibly stable, people can't imagine a world different from what they're used to and then one day some crucial piece of the very delicate threads that hold society together are broken, and then it rapidly unravels.
- makomk 6y agoSee, this is the problem with US politics. Your experts and your press are absolutely convinced that those US Covid-19 deaths are the fault of Trump and that if the idiot population had voted for someone they liked more those people wouldn't have died, even though this has no basis in actual reality. The US Covid-19 deaths are completely and utterly average for a Western country. (The worst death toll currently is the Czech Republic, which everyone was pointing to as the European success story that showed everyone else should be able to do better less than a year ago. This could well change again, of course, just like it did before. A lot of this seems to be luck. Though the current US vaccination rates make it much less likely to rise up the list again.) Also, all the information about what supposedly worked was distorted by politics too. For example, all of the countries like Taiwan which managed to keep it out relied heavily on imposing border restrictions early, but borders and travel restrictions were seen as evil, Trumpian things - a "prophetic" piece of fiction where President Trump responded to a pandemic by imposing increasingly futile border closures did the rounds on social media early on - so they were completely omitted from US media narratives about how those countries had succeed. Instead they focused on stuff like Covid testing, because of another equally bogus narrative that Trump had sabotaged that. (The US actually had a really ambitious testing program... right up until the tests arrived at labs and were defective. Apparently it turned out some career CDC employee hid the fact they were contaminated and let them roll out to labs, but this was missed by almost all the media coverage, probably because it had nothing to do with Trump.)
- floatingatoll 6y agoFor non-US folks who need a translation here - In the US, we have a nationwide public healthcare system called “Medicare”. You generally only qualify for Medicare once you’re 65 except in special circumstances. Many of our citizens can’t afford to be diagnosed with cancer at an earlier age, as it will increase their non-Medicare private insurance premiums^, result in denied coverage for unrelated issues, and potentially send them into bankruptcy if treated. So they wait until they turn 65, and only then bring in pre-existing conditions for diagnosis and treatment, confident that they can no longer be bankrupted by doing so. ^ Insurance premiums average $300-$700 USD per month per person nationwide, when not available through full-time employment or (65+) Medicare. ~75.000.000 US citizens age 18-64 are employed full-time, which compels their employers to subsidize their monthly health insurance costs; the remaining ~127.000.000 citizens are not employed full-time and thus do not qualify for mandatory employer-provided insurance. EDIT - Military veterans, poor people, and so on often have access to additional free public health systems other than Medicare, offered either nationwide or by member states of our union or by non-governmental organizations; degree of subsidy and quality of coverage varies wildly among them. # The above estimates were constructed using napkin math and the below links. “Average Monthly Benchmark Plan Premiums for a 27-Year-Old in Plan Year 2020 in Healthcare.gov States” https://www.investopedia.com/how-much-does-health-insurance-cost-4774184 https://www.investopedia.com/how-much-does-health-insurance-... "Population estimates": https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US "The U.S. labor force": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_force_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_force_in_the_United_Stat...
- scythe 6y ago>Insurance premiums average $300-$700 USD per month per person nationwide, when not available through full-time employment or (65+) Medicare. Well, until recently: https://www.economist.com/united-states/2021/02/27/smuggled-into-the-covid-relief-bill-is-an-overdue-fix-for-obamacare https://www.economist.com/united-states/2021/02/27/smuggled-... Health insurance is now guaranteed affordable (8.5% of income or less) in every state except Wyoming, Wisconsin, South Dakota, Texas, Kansas, Louisiana, Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi and Florida (Medicaid gap).
- ultra_nick 6y agoWhat do you guys think about subscription models for healthcare? https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/12/fee-for-service-is-a-terrible-way-to-pay-for-health-care-try-a-subscription-model-instead/ https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/12/fee-for-service-is-a-ter...
- ultra_nick 6y agoWhat do you guys think about subscription models for hospitals? https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/12/fee-for-service-is-a-terrible-way-to-pay-for-health-care-try-a-subscription-model-instead/ https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/12/fee-for-service-is-a-ter...
- dsaavy 6y agoThis seems to be related to some of the discussion on this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26646541 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26646541 When incentives are created in a specific way, the underlying data and what it tells you can be significantly altered. Cool to see people questioning the reasoning behind this data rather than accepting it at face value!
- yingw787 6y agoDan Luu has a great blog post on discontinuities and public policy: http://danluu.com/discontinuities/ http://danluu.com/discontinuities/ I found it very interesting!
- ggm 6y agoThe lesson here for anyone in mainstream computing, is that strongly typed languages are better than weakly, or untyped languages. The reasoning being that early detection of problems is cheaper, and better in terms of outcome, than delayed detection. To be more on point, This effect can happen outside of the US too. Many people (like me) who laud being in a full-service health system economy don't talk about how optical and dental services are excluded from "full" and incur excess costs. You have to meet income tests to qualify for free, and if your health cover is not sufficiently generous, (yes, even with full service public health we are encouraged to have private cover, and we have co=pay costs, simply 2-3 orders of magnitude less than the US and basically discretionary for many things: either wait, or pay, but if you do wait you will be treated) then delaying service until you are on a pension is a bad, but sort-of rational choice. I know people who say "I'll wait until I retire to deal with that"
- xyst 6y agothis is just sad. we have been collectively conned by the American private health insurance industry under the guise of "socialism is bad"
- rednerrus 6y agoThe government is on the hook for the majority of the sickest (most expensive) people in our system. Private insurance companies take your money for the majority of your healthy life and hand you off to the government as you move into your most expensive days. It's absolutely insane.
- noahtallen 6y agoPlus, they try their best to deny any expensive care which your doctor prescribes. It’s really a perverse system. There wouldn’t be nearly so many people advocating for public healthcare if the private system had any hint of respectability. Every provider is terrible value, has poor customer service, and goes their best to screw your over. The incentives are totally wrong. The incentive for an insurance company is “let me extract as much money as possible from my clients”. That’s completely at odds with providing quality care.
- CameronNemo 6y agoPrivatize gains, nationalize losses. One of the oldest plays in the book. It has been applied to resource extraction, service providers, psychoactive substances, and more. Somehow the public always ends up holding the bag.
- nomadiccoder 6y agoJust reading the title I think: Duh! As soon as I get Healthcare I'm going to the doctor! Maybe that is next month or next year
- baby 6y agoI’m going to be out of healthcare for a month because I’m transitioning jobs. It’s a bit scary I have to admit. If I have an emergency I’ll refuse to pay the bill.
- blendo 6y agoWith the new US stimulus bill, COBRA is free through September, _IF_ you leave involuntarily: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/11/the-government-will-fully-cover-laid-off-workers-cobra-premiums-.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/11/the-government-will-fully-co... Also, under the same bill, ACA Silver plans are capped at 8.5% of income.
- thepasswordis 6y agoTo those who are in favor of a national healthcare system which is payed for using tax revenue: Can you give an example of an existing state or federal government agency which is consumer facing and well functioning? I am personally a big fan of the FAA, which I believe fits those criteria, but the FAA requires a substantial filter you have to pass (generally: getting a pilot's license) before you begin interacting with them. Is there some government program that works well that you could point to and say: it will work like this? Because the unfortunate experience I have had is that some of these national-level projects do work passably-well for micro-countries like Canada, but don't seem like they would scale at all for the 3rd largest (by population) country in the world.
- hn_throwaway_99 6y agoI mean, Medicare actually works quite well given it has to function within the other constraints of the US healthcare system.
- akg_67 6y ago> Because the unfortunate experience I have had is that some of these national-level projects do work passably-well for micro-countries like Canada, but don't seem like they would scale at all for the 3rd largest (by population) country in the world. Hogwash, most European countries, Australia, New Zealand, Japan are not micro-countries and deliver healthcare that is head and shoulders above US. I have personally experienced healthcare in US, Japan and Canada. I will accept Japan's healthcare over US's anyday (excluding Canada as you consider it micro country). US healthcare is a clusterfuck between insurance, hospital system, drugs, and patient care.
- thepasswordis 6y ago>Hogwash, most European countries, Australia, New Zealand, Japan are not micro-countries Australia: population less than 10% of the US. New Zealand: population about 5% of the US. Japan: Population about 33% of the US. Canada: Population about 10% of the US. Yes they are. If you want to talk about states individually deciding to provide healthcare for their citizenry, then I think there is a comparison to be made. Do you think that the people in France would give up their French healthcare for one that was provided by the EU? The answer would be no.
- eye8one2 6y ago3rd world country with iPhones and nothing more.
- asdff 6y agoSeriously. Infrastructure is falling apart everywhere. The angry homeowner with the median occupancy of just 13 years is able to halt progress on virtually anything from a train to a homeless shelter. We've locked entire cities into a stasis in terms of development for decades and constrained our housing supply by handing untold power to local, often corrupt city governments, who generally have no interests in listening to the needs of those on the bottom of the local economy who have no money to donate nor time with which to vote. We've allowed wages to stagnate and inequality to surge, all while cost of living has been rising. We've done virtually nothing meaningful on climate change in the past two decades. We've defunded our public schools and closed down our mental hospitals in the country with the worlds largest economy. Yet the stock market is at all time highs in a global pandemic. Could you imagine anything more backwards and bizzare?
- pm90 6y ago> Yet the stock market is at all time highs in a global pandemic. Could you imagine anything more backwards and bizzare? I'm not sure if you're implying this but the stock market never was an indicator of the economic health of the country. Its an indicator of the economic health of the wealthy (tautologically, since its where most wealthy individuals park their wealth) , and for that its been pretty accurate.
- dboreham 6y agoNo sh*i.
- ARandomerDude 6y agoOf course they do? Not sure why this is surprising.
- oblio 6y agoMany non Americans find this system... intriguing.
- NoblePublius 6y ago“People go to the doctor more when it’s free” seems pretty obvious to me.
- shp0ngle 6y agoThe easy way to fix it is to dismantle Medicare and make the old people pay too. Then it will be no incentive to wait.
- lwansbrough 6y agoLower the age for Medicare to zero.
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- FCancer89 6y agoHave any of you individuals heard about Izotropic? $IZO & $IZOZF. To all potential investors in IZO, I wanted to share a little write up I made to outline the progress this company has made to allow you to decide if IZO should be the next addition to your portfolio. Sitting with a $41 Million market cap and under 40 M shares outstanding, IZO is about to take the breast imaging industry to a whole new level. Not only is it going to save the life of the females in our lives but it is also going to dominate a 5.4 (2025) billion dollar industry. Traditional Mammograms miss 1 in 5 breast cancers due to false negative test results. When mammograms do detect a tumor/lesion, the abnormality is typically 11mm in size, with IZO’s Breast CT we have proven to detect abnormalities at 3-5 mm in our clinical trials. What this means is we are detecting the cancer 0.93 - 1.5 years earlier over traditional mammography. This will catch the cancer before it metastasizes greatly increasing survival rates. Fast forward to today, we have extensive ongoing trials displaying the dominance of our machine in the industry, collecting data that will only increase our chances of an expedited FDA approval process. A step we have ahead of all of our competitors is the fact that our machine doesn’t require the painful breast compression. If you compare our tech with some of the giants in the business, you’ll find all the others still require painful compression. With Starfish medical (Canada’s largest medical device designer) helping us to design and manufacture our commercial Breast CT device, with Anita Nosratieh Ph.D, a former lead reviewer where she worked with companies seeking approval of breast cancer screening and diagnostic devices, and with Dr. Craig Abbey, a scientific reviewer for the FDA developing and presenting our study designs for the FDA, I think we have an amazing chance at a successful and potentially expedited FDA run. Here is a quote from Starfish Medicals founder and CEO Scott Phillips “"We have worked with numerous companies in the medical and breast imaging spaces. Izotropic has conducted significant technical, clinical and market-positioning efforts that provide a high level of confidence that the final product will meet patient, physician and marketplace requirements.” Today we are in stage 5 of 10 in our FDA approval process, about to enter stage 6. We have met with the FDA and presented our studies and designs, now we are waiting (literally any day now) for our written feedback to launch into our clinical and non-clinical testing. IZO has already been scouting clinical partners to expedite our process. We just hired a rockstar team (on top of the team that got us to where we are today), to get our word and product out there, with over 31% insider & management ownership, and the float tightening more and more every day, getting in around this $1.00-$2.00 level is an absolute steal as a long term investment. I can see this going upwards of $10.00 a share in approx 1-2 years time. Good luck and thanks for reading.
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