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Belgian Police Say They Decrypted Half a Billion ‘Sky’ Messages

66 points by wglb 6y ago

dstick 6y ago
One interesting thing I read in a Dutch paper today was that a cyber security expert that was involved in the hack was surprised they kept using these specialized services. It’s very easy for authorities to get approval to hack and read _all_ the messages of a service that has a user base that is nearly 100% criminal. If criminals were smart (his words), they’d use Signal or Whatsapp where they’d be a small percentage of the user base and authorities would have a much harder time to get court-allowed blanket access like they had with Sky or Encro.
- vmception 6y ago
  From what I can tell, encryption services like this function more like an affinity scam. People believe any claim to make them feel safe. (Not saying this service was a fraud, just that the users are not objective)
  - foolmeonce 6y ago
    I think it's an issue with estimating probabilities. They probably saw a few failures a year of people using Signal or WhatsApp slopily on old Android phones that were easy to sideload onto with a warrant, had microphones with no hard switch, etc, etc. They probably saw no failures of Sky ECC (as it sounds like a vendor hardened the phone for them and any convenience over security features are non-existent) right up until the claim that the protocol is broken and everyone is affected.
- akvadrako 6y ago
  Based on this story, for all we know most criminals are smart. It's just the dumb ones use Sky and get caught.
  - dylan604 6y ago
    And yet, the police all claim that criminals are dumb, and wait for them to do something that gets them caught. That's one of the basic investigation tactics--wait for the criminal to screw up.
    - krageon 6y ago
      > the police all claim that [...] Yes, because if this wasn't true they would look bad.
    - tomca32 6y ago
      Because all the ones they catch are dumb. There’s no information on how many are smart
      - spoonjim 6y ago
        It’s not an issue of smart vs. dumb. It’s that the cops can screw up infinitely without consequence (yesterday US cops shot a 1 year old baby in the head... nothing will happen to any of them) while the criminals have to be perfect and get busted on the first mistake. That asymmetry is why idiot cops who could barely graduate high school routinely bust even skilled criminals.
- inflorescer 6y ago
  > If criminals were smart (his words), they’d use Signal or Whatsapp where they’d be a small percentage of the user base and authorities would have a much harder time to get court-allowed blanket access like they had with Sky or Encro. How could I get a court order to get blanket access to Signal?
  - SSLy 6y ago
    Ineffective, or using side-channels
    - inflorescer 6y ago
      > Ineffective, or using side-channels Yeah, I worry more about the device running Signal. Is it up to date? | Any other apps with flaws? And then any time the browser is used there's risk, especially since mobile devices are worse about supporting ad blocking - that's one reason I like Algo - block malicious stuff at the DNS level rather than worry your combination of privacy extensions is giving you security but also making you more fingerprintable (reducing privacy). BUT I like Signal as a way to reduce ambiguity. (Eg: If I text you on Signal, it's unlikely someone snarfed that out of the air, and over time I can see where information is leaking, same goes for a voice chat) Then it's down to trust, which is sadly an unsolved problem. (At least for this poster)
  - dstick 6y ago
    You can’t, that was his point.
    - inflorescer 6y ago
      > You can’t, that was his point. Oh, ok. I'd prefer he say things directly. For example, if someone insinuates criminals are stupid I tend to discount what they say, not try to infer the speaker's true meaning. (Many criminals are extremely intelligent, but feel stymied from legitimate employment despite having smarts and skills, this is a well documented phenomenon.)
- cm2187 6y ago
  > a service that has a user base that is nearly 100% criminal The article says this service is widely used among criminals. That doesn't mean the user base of this service is largely criminals. In fact I would be surprised there would be 170k criminals around the world using a single service I had never heard about, seems very high to me.
  - fao_ 6y ago
    > In fact I would be surprised there would be 170k criminals around the world using a single service I had never heard about, seems very high to me. Do you not think that, perhaps, criminals will know other criminals (I mean we're talking organize crime here), and will have whisper-networks in place? Or are you saying that you're plugged-in to what smugglers, etc. do and you had never heard of it?
    - GauntletWizard 6y ago
      He's saying he thinks that there would be 170k criminals forming a singular network seems like a high number. To me, it sounds low. There are very niche interest websites with 750k accounts[1]. Further, 170k isn't the number of criminals, but the number of people who had interaction with Sky - Which may be basically anyone who had a shady friend. The problem with our modern understanding of "innocent until proven guilty" is that unsubstantiated rumor can spark fire very quickly, while real damage can fly under the radar for a very long time. People who have been actually damaged often try to extricate themselves from the situation as quickly as possible, or end up trapped and pushing further into it. Without real numbers to back this up: If you marry an abusive spouse, Either you get a quick if painful divorce, or you normalize it and become embedded deeply in the relationship and cut off from your friends who tell you to get away, because their advice for setting boundaries only gets you hurt further. I have no doubt that the niche interest of shady behavior can attract a few hundred thousand users, while staying unknown to anyone outside the niche. [1] Furaffinity claims this number, as a standard internet oddity, but fimfiction.net boasts nearly 300k; Many other "weird" websites probably have numbers in the 50-500k range.
  - danielheath 6y ago
- cosmodisk 6y ago
  I presume most users of such service are professionals in anything but cyber security and can be as misguided as an average Joe on the street.
tehwebguy 6y ago
Full headline: "Belgian Police Say They Decrypted Half a Billion ‘Sky’ Messages, Arrested 48 People" From the article: "Around the world, there are approximately 171,000 SKY ECC telephones in service [...] Each month, around 70,000 of these phones actively communicate on the SKY ECC network [...] More than 1.2 million euros, 15 prohibited weapons, including six firearms, eight luxury vehicles, three machines used to count money, police uniforms and GPS beacons were also seized today" Doesn't sound like a great hit rate to me! What do you reckon the 9 non-firearm prohibited weapons are, trebuchets? Medieval flails? Clubs with nails in them?
- Griffinsauce 6y ago
  Keep in mind this is not the American continent and there are considerably less firearms to begin with.
  - faeyanpiraat 6y ago
    What about Switzerland?
    - Griffinsauce 6y ago
      One of the few places with high firearms ownership, raising the average higher above the median.
  - klyrs 6y ago
    And yet, the US still has problems with certain knives: https://www.akti.org/federal-switchblade-act/ https://www.akti.org/federal-switchblade-act/ No federal law, but brass knuckles are banned in many states: https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/brass-knuckles-legality-by-state https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/brass-knuck...
- cheschire 6y ago
  Knives have many restrictions such as opening and locking one handed or being too long. Certain kinds of flashlights and clubs are illegal for civilians in Germany so I imagine something along those lines might be applicable in Belgium as well.
dclusin 6y ago
Any more details on the type of phones they use? iPhones, stock Android, feature phones? Would be neat to get a tech breakdown of the phones.
- Scoundreller 6y ago
  Seems like Google pixels. Just do an image search for the product name and you’ll see it for sale from “spy stores” that sell things like hidden cameras.
  - londons_explore 6y ago
    Which tells you a little about how price insensitive the users are. Who chooses a $800 phone as the basis for a service only offering text chat when a $50 phone would work just fine?
    - Scoundreller 6y ago
      That business model worked for blackberry until it didn’t.
hyperman1 6y ago
An interesting aspect is the guilty until proven innocent aspect: Rough translation of parts of the header of https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2021/03/11/oproep-sky/ https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2021/03/11/oproep-sky/ : The federal police sent out a special 'wanted' message: All users of the encrypted Sky ECC phone have to report [...]If the phone was used for legitimate purposes, the collected data will after verification be [veiliggesteld] I don't know how to translate [veiliggesteld] as it is pretty vague. The word might be approximated as 'made safe' or 'put in a secure location', but it surely does not mean destroyed. As expected, the whole thing raises some eyebrows in privacy circles.
- Griffinsauce 6y ago
  Veiliggesteld would translate somewhere close to safeguarded or stored securely. Which is a strange thing to do with an innocent person's data but that is what's reported.
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- nanis 6y ago
  > An interesting aspect is the guilty until proven innocent aspect A few years back people considered "H.R.4681 - Intelligence Authorization Act" to be a victory in terms of limiting how long government can keep information of U.S. citizens "not wittingly"[1] captured by intelligence agencies in their hoovering activities. I thought the coincidence of the specific provisions in that law with the drive towards making sure all communications on the web is encrypted was "interesting".[2] [1]: https://fas.org/blogs/secrecy/2014/01/clapper-ssci/ https://fas.org/blogs/secrecy/2014/01/clapper-ssci/ [2]: https://www.nu42.com/2014/12/https-everywhere-and-hr4681.html https://www.nu42.com/2014/12/https-everywhere-and-hr4681.htm...
- JackMcMack 6y ago
  As far as I understand, they were logging the encrypted messages for a long time, but only had live access for a few weeks. My guess is they used this to intercept a large shipment (17+ ton of cocaine captured), and watch the communications after that to rapidly identify the players involved. Sky phones were set up with dedicated sims, everything else but their app blocked. There's no telephone number, email adress or other id to identify users. The app also featured self-deleting messages and post-seizure remote wiping. Besides the phone, they required an expensive subscription. If these phones keep showing up on suspects, only available via no questions asked dealers, and you can't get anything from the phones themselves, it's easier to get a court order to go after the service itself. If you can then log all encrypted messages on or near the servers, and see they're mostly going to Belgium/Netherlands, then you can try to read all messages. Either via decryption, or compromising update servers, or ... Because there's no way to identify users besides reading the messages, they asked legitimate users to come forward so their data can be excluded from the investigation.
harry8 6y ago
This will be used as support when they come for signal by pressuring Apple and Google to ban it from the store. Facebrick will just remove whatsapp end to end encryption. How should we react when it starts?
- harry8 6y ago
  Me waves to the security state "dudes" on this sight! Good to see you here! A PR battle to change the law is a PR battle so you can sell a change in the law taking away people's rights. Officer Sicknick didn't have his head smashed by a fire-extinguisher in the riot, so apparently that was also false. Many haven't heard that yet and bristle that it was a lie, but it was. The corrections are now there but just whispered. Disinformation that is great support a war on domestic terror to get the security state more unchecked power. Power wants more power no matter what ideology wields it, it would seem. I guess I should have pointed out more explicitly just how much of the law-enforcement claims reported in the article was also totally unsupported by evidence. I will believe it when there is evidence and not before because I've been had by law-enforcement press-release stenography enough now that my default position has gone from "probably true" to "probably false" absent evidence. I doubt I'm alone in that change. "Given that the services provided by the organization seem to be almost exclusively criminal in nature, the federal prosecutor's office decided at the end of 2018 to open an investigation against SKY ECC and against the people who make these phones available to the criminal community," See that? Providing encrypted messaging is "almost exclusively criminal in nature". This the the PR battle that exists and is escalating. This one is the latest shot. FBI, CIA, NSA, they hate the idea you can talk to someone in private without leaving a permanent record. They just hate it. "If you have nothing to hide why do you wear pants?!?" So what else will come in the PR war on encryption other than "Domestic terrorists" and "Organised crime." Will nobody think of the children!?! It is building and will come, no matter how much you dislike the orange idiot, love your country and believe in law-abiding truth, justice and all that good stuff. Is end to end encryption worth anything? I strongly suspect it has negative worth to facebook.
toyg 6y ago
Surely this is not a smart move from authorities? The whole point of having these capabilities is to not advertise them until extremely necessary. The seizures reported don’t seem particularly significant. Would’ve smarter to keep mum and look for some “parallel construction” when doing these busts, surely...?
- acdha 6y ago
  It's possible that they knew they were either losing access (perhaps a vendor update or action was going to break access) or that news was going to spread due to some upcoming legal case. In that case they might try to get as much impact as possible, especially if they were in position to monitor what spooked users tried to switch to or whether they started communicating to previously unseen partners.
- belad 6y ago
  Only true if they were confident they could keep mum about the hack. Someone in law enforcement could leak it to the criminals, SKY could find out, etc...
- thu2111 6y ago
  The users aren't that stupid. If the police have been quiet for months and suddenly start busting many different gangs by doing raids that would have required information only a few gang members had, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the common thread is the use of Sky phones. Once they start exploiting intel like that, it won't take long until the jig is up, so coordination and mass action becomes essential.
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jokethrowaway 6y ago
They should go after knife makers next, 99.8% of all stabbings are made with knives
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flemhans 6y ago
Shouldn't the Policemen in question then be charged with breaching the secrecy of correspondance for each of those of the messages that did not pertain to illegal activities? Het briefgeheim is onschendbaar.
vlatkokaplan 6y ago
In Serbia government officials displayed some gruesome photos on TV couple weeks ago which were allegedly obtained from SkyECC phones with equipment borrowed from EU.

66 points by wglb 6y ago

One interesting thing I read in a Dutch paper today was that a cyber security expert that was involved in the hack was surprised they kept using these specialized services. It’s very easy for authorities to get approval to hack and read _all_ the messages of a service that has a user base that is nearly 100% criminal. If criminals were smart (his words), they’d use Signal or Whatsapp where they’d be a small percentage of the user base and authorities would have a much harder time to get court-allowed blanket access like they had with Sky or Encro.

vmception 6y ago
From what I can tell, encryption services like this function more like an affinity scam. People believe any claim to make them feel safe. (Not saying this service was a fraud, just that the users are not objective)
- foolmeonce 6y ago
  I think it's an issue with estimating probabilities. They probably saw a few failures a year of people using Signal or WhatsApp slopily on old Android phones that were easy to sideload onto with a warrant, had microphones with no hard switch, etc, etc. They probably saw no failures of Sky ECC (as it sounds like a vendor hardened the phone for them and any convenience over security features are non-existent) right up until the claim that the protocol is broken and everyone is affected.
akvadrako 6y ago
Based on this story, for all we know most criminals are smart. It's just the dumb ones use Sky and get caught.
- dylan604 6y ago
  And yet, the police all claim that criminals are dumb, and wait for them to do something that gets them caught. That's one of the basic investigation tactics--wait for the criminal to screw up.
  - krageon 6y ago
    > the police all claim that [...] Yes, because if this wasn't true they would look bad.
  - tomca32 6y ago
    Because all the ones they catch are dumb. There’s no information on how many are smart
    - spoonjim 6y ago
      It’s not an issue of smart vs. dumb. It’s that the cops can screw up infinitely without consequence (yesterday US cops shot a 1 year old baby in the head... nothing will happen to any of them) while the criminals have to be perfect and get busted on the first mistake. That asymmetry is why idiot cops who could barely graduate high school routinely bust even skilled criminals.
inflorescer 6y ago
> If criminals were smart (his words), they’d use Signal or Whatsapp where they’d be a small percentage of the user base and authorities would have a much harder time to get court-allowed blanket access like they had with Sky or Encro. How could I get a court order to get blanket access to Signal?
- SSLy 6y ago
  Ineffective, or using side-channels
  - inflorescer 6y ago
    > Ineffective, or using side-channels Yeah, I worry more about the device running Signal. Is it up to date? | Any other apps with flaws? And then any time the browser is used there's risk, especially since mobile devices are worse about supporting ad blocking - that's one reason I like Algo - block malicious stuff at the DNS level rather than worry your combination of privacy extensions is giving you security but also making you more fingerprintable (reducing privacy). BUT I like Signal as a way to reduce ambiguity. (Eg: If I text you on Signal, it's unlikely someone snarfed that out of the air, and over time I can see where information is leaking, same goes for a voice chat) Then it's down to trust, which is sadly an unsolved problem. (At least for this poster)
- dstick 6y ago
  You can’t, that was his point.
  - inflorescer 6y ago
    > You can’t, that was his point. Oh, ok. I'd prefer he say things directly. For example, if someone insinuates criminals are stupid I tend to discount what they say, not try to infer the speaker's true meaning. (Many criminals are extremely intelligent, but feel stymied from legitimate employment despite having smarts and skills, this is a well documented phenomenon.)
cm2187 6y ago
> a service that has a user base that is nearly 100% criminal The article says this service is widely used among criminals. That doesn't mean the user base of this service is largely criminals. In fact I would be surprised there would be 170k criminals around the world using a single service I had never heard about, seems very high to me.
- fao_ 6y ago
  > In fact I would be surprised there would be 170k criminals around the world using a single service I had never heard about, seems very high to me. Do you not think that, perhaps, criminals will know other criminals (I mean we're talking organize crime here), and will have whisper-networks in place? Or are you saying that you're plugged-in to what smugglers, etc. do and you had never heard of it?
  - GauntletWizard 6y ago
    He's saying he thinks that there would be 170k criminals forming a singular network seems like a high number. To me, it sounds low. There are very niche interest websites with 750k accounts[1]. Further, 170k isn't the number of criminals, but the number of people who had interaction with Sky - Which may be basically anyone who had a shady friend. The problem with our modern understanding of "innocent until proven guilty" is that unsubstantiated rumor can spark fire very quickly, while real damage can fly under the radar for a very long time. People who have been actually damaged often try to extricate themselves from the situation as quickly as possible, or end up trapped and pushing further into it. Without real numbers to back this up: If you marry an abusive spouse, Either you get a quick if painful divorce, or you normalize it and become embedded deeply in the relationship and cut off from your friends who tell you to get away, because their advice for setting boundaries only gets you hurt further. I have no doubt that the niche interest of shady behavior can attract a few hundred thousand users, while staying unknown to anyone outside the niche. [1] Furaffinity claims this number, as a standard internet oddity, but fimfiction.net boasts nearly 300k; Many other "weird" websites probably have numbers in the 50-500k range.
- danielheath 6y ago
cosmodisk 6y ago
I presume most users of such service are professionals in anything but cyber security and can be as misguided as an average Joe on the street.

tehwebguy 6y ago

Full headline: "Belgian Police Say They Decrypted Half a Billion ‘Sky’ Messages, Arrested 48 People" From the article: "Around the world, there are approximately 171,000 SKY ECC telephones in service [...] Each month, around 70,000 of these phones actively communicate on the SKY ECC network [...] More than 1.2 million euros, 15 prohibited weapons, including six firearms, eight luxury vehicles, three machines used to count money, police uniforms and GPS beacons were also seized today" Doesn't sound like a great hit rate to me! What do you reckon the 9 non-firearm prohibited weapons are, trebuchets? Medieval flails? Clubs with nails in them?

Griffinsauce 6y ago
Keep in mind this is not the American continent and there are considerably less firearms to begin with.
- faeyanpiraat 6y ago
  What about Switzerland?
  - Griffinsauce 6y ago
    One of the few places with high firearms ownership, raising the average higher above the median.
- klyrs 6y ago
  And yet, the US still has problems with certain knives: https://www.akti.org/federal-switchblade-act/ https://www.akti.org/federal-switchblade-act/ No federal law, but brass knuckles are banned in many states: https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/brass-knuckles-legality-by-state https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/brass-knuck...
cheschire 6y ago
Knives have many restrictions such as opening and locking one handed or being too long. Certain kinds of flashlights and clubs are illegal for civilians in Germany so I imagine something along those lines might be applicable in Belgium as well.

dclusin 6y ago

Any more details on the type of phones they use? iPhones, stock Android, feature phones? Would be neat to get a tech breakdown of the phones.

Scoundreller 6y ago
Seems like Google pixels. Just do an image search for the product name and you’ll see it for sale from “spy stores” that sell things like hidden cameras.
- londons_explore 6y ago
  Which tells you a little about how price insensitive the users are. Who chooses a $800 phone as the basis for a service only offering text chat when a $50 phone would work just fine?
  - Scoundreller 6y ago
    That business model worked for blackberry until it didn’t.

hyperman1 6y ago

An interesting aspect is the guilty until proven innocent aspect: Rough translation of parts of the header of https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2021/03/11/oproep-sky/ https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2021/03/11/oproep-sky/ : The federal police sent out a special 'wanted' message: All users of the encrypted Sky ECC phone have to report [...]If the phone was used for legitimate purposes, the collected data will after verification be [veiliggesteld] I don't know how to translate [veiliggesteld] as it is pretty vague. The word might be approximated as 'made safe' or 'put in a secure location', but it surely does not mean destroyed. As expected, the whole thing raises some eyebrows in privacy circles.

Griffinsauce 6y ago
Veiliggesteld would translate somewhere close to safeguarded or stored securely. Which is a strange thing to do with an innocent person's data but that is what's reported.
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nanis 6y ago
> An interesting aspect is the guilty until proven innocent aspect A few years back people considered "H.R.4681 - Intelligence Authorization Act" to be a victory in terms of limiting how long government can keep information of U.S. citizens "not wittingly"[1] captured by intelligence agencies in their hoovering activities. I thought the coincidence of the specific provisions in that law with the drive towards making sure all communications on the web is encrypted was "interesting".[2] [1]: https://fas.org/blogs/secrecy/2014/01/clapper-ssci/ https://fas.org/blogs/secrecy/2014/01/clapper-ssci/ [2]: https://www.nu42.com/2014/12/https-everywhere-and-hr4681.html https://www.nu42.com/2014/12/https-everywhere-and-hr4681.htm...
JackMcMack 6y ago
As far as I understand, they were logging the encrypted messages for a long time, but only had live access for a few weeks. My guess is they used this to intercept a large shipment (17+ ton of cocaine captured), and watch the communications after that to rapidly identify the players involved. Sky phones were set up with dedicated sims, everything else but their app blocked. There's no telephone number, email adress or other id to identify users. The app also featured self-deleting messages and post-seizure remote wiping. Besides the phone, they required an expensive subscription. If these phones keep showing up on suspects, only available via no questions asked dealers, and you can't get anything from the phones themselves, it's easier to get a court order to go after the service itself. If you can then log all encrypted messages on or near the servers, and see they're mostly going to Belgium/Netherlands, then you can try to read all messages. Either via decryption, or compromising update servers, or ... Because there's no way to identify users besides reading the messages, they asked legitimate users to come forward so their data can be excluded from the investigation.

harry8 6y ago

This will be used as support when they come for signal by pressuring Apple and Google to ban it from the store. Facebrick will just remove whatsapp end to end encryption. How should we react when it starts?

harry8 6y ago
Me waves to the security state "dudes" on this sight! Good to see you here! A PR battle to change the law is a PR battle so you can sell a change in the law taking away people's rights. Officer Sicknick didn't have his head smashed by a fire-extinguisher in the riot, so apparently that was also false. Many haven't heard that yet and bristle that it was a lie, but it was. The corrections are now there but just whispered. Disinformation that is great support a war on domestic terror to get the security state more unchecked power. Power wants more power no matter what ideology wields it, it would seem. I guess I should have pointed out more explicitly just how much of the law-enforcement claims reported in the article was also totally unsupported by evidence. I will believe it when there is evidence and not before because I've been had by law-enforcement press-release stenography enough now that my default position has gone from "probably true" to "probably false" absent evidence. I doubt I'm alone in that change. "Given that the services provided by the organization seem to be almost exclusively criminal in nature, the federal prosecutor's office decided at the end of 2018 to open an investigation against SKY ECC and against the people who make these phones available to the criminal community," See that? Providing encrypted messaging is "almost exclusively criminal in nature". This the the PR battle that exists and is escalating. This one is the latest shot. FBI, CIA, NSA, they hate the idea you can talk to someone in private without leaving a permanent record. They just hate it. "If you have nothing to hide why do you wear pants?!?" So what else will come in the PR war on encryption other than "Domestic terrorists" and "Organised crime." Will nobody think of the children!?! It is building and will come, no matter how much you dislike the orange idiot, love your country and believe in law-abiding truth, justice and all that good stuff. Is end to end encryption worth anything? I strongly suspect it has negative worth to facebook.

toyg 6y ago

Surely this is not a smart move from authorities? The whole point of having these capabilities is to not advertise them until extremely necessary. The seizures reported don’t seem particularly significant. Would’ve smarter to keep mum and look for some “parallel construction” when doing these busts, surely...?

acdha 6y ago
It's possible that they knew they were either losing access (perhaps a vendor update or action was going to break access) or that news was going to spread due to some upcoming legal case. In that case they might try to get as much impact as possible, especially if they were in position to monitor what spooked users tried to switch to or whether they started communicating to previously unseen partners.
belad 6y ago
Only true if they were confident they could keep mum about the hack. Someone in law enforcement could leak it to the criminals, SKY could find out, etc...
thu2111 6y ago
The users aren't that stupid. If the police have been quiet for months and suddenly start busting many different gangs by doing raids that would have required information only a few gang members had, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the common thread is the use of Sky phones. Once they start exploiting intel like that, it won't take long until the jig is up, so coordination and mass action becomes essential.

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jokethrowaway 6y ago

They should go after knife makers next, 99.8% of all stabbings are made with knives

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flemhans 6y ago

Shouldn't the Policemen in question then be charged with breaching the secrecy of correspondance for each of those of the messages that did not pertain to illegal activities? Het briefgeheim is onschendbaar.

vlatkokaplan 6y ago

In Serbia government officials displayed some gruesome photos on TV couple weeks ago which were allegedly obtained from SkyECC phones with equipment borrowed from EU.