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Not a surprising practice, but: > Pretty ironic too when you've got Shopify's CEO tweeting about the unfair 30% cut Apple wants: https://twitter.com/tobi/statu
by lxe 6y ago
Not a surprising practice, but:
> Pretty ironic too when you've got Shopify's CEO tweeting about the unfair 30% cut Apple wants: https://twitter.com/tobi/status/1362411841943711744 https://twitter.com/tobi/status/1362411841943711744
That's pretty hypocritical
- dheera 6y agoI mean, Tim Cook wants his cake and the Shopify CEO wants his cake too, so the hippocracy is expected.
- theodric 6y agoEverything started to fall apart when the horses seized power
- roel_v 6y agoI saw a movie about that once - think it was called "planet of the mares".
- spoonjim 6y agoAt this point I'd be willing to try a hippocracy.
- itronitron 6y agoyou and Sandra Boynton both
- KingOfCoders 6y agoThe rule of hippos? [Edit] Thanks for clueing me up.
- dempseye 6y agoRule of horses. "Hippos" means horse. "Potamus" means river. "Hippopotamus" means "river horse."
- pickledcods 6y agoAnd Hippopotamus are closest related to pigs.
- notahacker 6y agoI'd prefer the rule of Hippocrates :D Not doing any harm seems like a good maxim for CEOs...
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- croes 6y agoThe cake is a lie.
- croes 6y agoOk, got it. Not enough Portal fans here.
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- brauhaus 6y agoI had the feeling he was complaining about the value amount, not the exclusivity requirement. It's pretty hypocrital but still... Sort of hypocrital
- mfost 6y agoIs it impossible to reach and provide your service to Spotify merchants without going through the Spotify app store? If yes it's hypocritical, if not then the situation is totally different than what is going on with Apple.
- ksec 6y agoShopify. I agree with the case being different to Apple. And not sure why it is hypocritical. Not to mention Shopify holds no clear monopoly over e-commerce. Unless people want to argue the Shopify has a monopoly on Shopify App Store.
- indigochill 6y ago> Unless people want to argue the Shopify has a monopoly on Shopify App Store. They're trying to enforce exclusive control over transactions made on their platform, which sounds a whole lot like Apple to me. And also not unreasonable, IMO (since it's the business model their platform is built around), although their CEO trying to ride the outrage train for political points is pretty distasteful, especially when his own company is doing the same thing.
- jeromegv 6y agoAnd Apple has no monopoly over cellphones... it's the exact same thing. If you are a Shopify customer, there's only 1 AppStore.
- ksec 6y agoIn US, one could argue Apple has a monopolistic position on Smartphone. Today, the iPhone has 66% market share in the United States, 75% of U.S. App Store revenues, and over 80% of time spent on the mobile internet.
- varispeed 6y agoI have noticed a pattern these days - people publicly criticise certain behaviours and then they do exactly what they criticise. They think that majority of people won't actually verify that and such message will embed a positive impression about that person. Then you have people rather lie to themselves rather than accept that they were wrong, so if they later find out that those people actually were doing what they spoke against, they will dismiss it and rather keep the embedded good image. It's fascinating. I wonder if there were any studies about that as it seems like so many organisations or people exploit this these days.
- syshum 6y agoit is not new, it is called Projection. It has been around for as long as humans existed. it is easier to spot today because of internet and archiving tools that means everything you ever say or do is recorded for all time.
- jgalt212 6y agoDoes as I say, not as I do whether it's the Mega Church pastor or Tim Cook. Trust No One.
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- marcosdumay 6y agoWell, Orwell had a thing or two to say about this in 1984. It's incredibly common in party politics. If you are the party that always criticize something, nobody will believe that you are doing it. So, if you plan on doing something, you accuse our largest opositor of doing it, loudly and repeatedly.
- cultofmetatron 6y agoThis puts that insane Qannon theory and the kids who went missing under Trump's kids in cages program in an entirely new context...
- mchusma 6y agoThe author misunderstands some of the complaints against Apple. In this case: (1) Apple is effectively a monopoly, much more so than shopify. (2) the author can still sell to customers your SAAS service, just not through the shopify store. (3) I could be wrong but I believe the shopify store brings lots of customers. For most developers on the app store, apple does not bring customers (this is why many people argue that apple might take a higher cut for those who find your app on a chart, and a lower cut for just using the link or branded search). If they don't believe the inbound flow is worth it, then just selling direct to customers should make sense.
- cannabis_sam 6y ago> (1) Apple is effectively a monopoly, much more so than shopify I’m just curious, by which metric?
- benzible 6y agoApple has > 60% market share in the US [1]. 60% is considered by courts to be a barrier to entry for new competitors [2] [1] https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-states-of-america https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-sta... [2] https://www.nber.org/system/files/chapters/c10784/c10784.pdf https://www.nber.org/system/files/chapters/c10784/c10784.pdf: "60% is a favorite threshold for the courts"
- h0nd 6y agoA quick search for worldwide data shows that both Shopify as iOS have a market share in the ~23% area.
- 6gvONxR4sf7o 6y agoAll the search results for iOS US market share give such wildly different answers, from 15% to 65%. I wonder what the deal is.
- cannabis_sam 6y agoThanks!
- boringg 6y agoFalse equivalency here. I get it, dunking on wealthy CEOs is easy and fun, but I would expect better commentary out of hackernews.
- neycoda 6y agoI don't understand how Apple can expect to charge 30% when the user is not buying from the app developer, but just using the app to purchase from a seller through the app developers app and store... Shopify doesn't have 30% margin to give to Apple, do they? That doesn't seem right to charge that to Shopify when they're not selling an app feature directly to the user.
- jitbit 6y agoHere's an interesting angle: Shopify apps literally make money for Shopify even without the 20%. Since these apps are mostly marketing (upsells, abandoned cart reminders, upgrades etc), they drive sellers' revenue = they literally bring more profits for Shopify, or am I missing something?