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Sci-Hub: Elsevier and Springer Nature Obtain UK ISP Blocking Order
- andyjohnson0 6y ago> At the time of writing, TalkTalk’s rival ISPs including Virgin Media, BT, Sky, EE and O2 are not reporting the existence of a blocking order but it seems extremely unlikely that they won’t be required to act against Sci-Hub under the same order. sci-hub.se is still accessible to me on EE and Virgin Media. Edit: s/scihub/sci-hub/
- dash2 6y agoActually it's sci-hub.se.
- amelius 6y agoExperience taught me you can always find a good link in the right side-box at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sci-Hub https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sci-Hub
- m-p-3 6y agoLooks like it would benefit them from having a .onion domain as well.
- StavrosK 6y agoOr a handshake domain :(
- Terretta 6y ago# Sci-Hub Leaves Handshake Blockchain After 2 Days, Citing Centralization Concerns Sci-Hub, a pirate library of academic papers censored by Twitter, PayPal and domain systems, left the distributed domain platform Handshake after two days, unsatisfied by the level of decentralization. ... “I first just thought that another domain for Sci-Hub won’t hurt. But later I realized it’s them who really controls the domain, not me,” Elbakyan told CoinDesk via Telegram. The Namebase team reached out to Elbakyan after Sci-Hub was banned by Twitter, reportedly due to a new copyright infringement case in India, she said. “They wrote to me when I was having that stressful situation with Twitter,” Elbakyan said. “I just gave them an IP address and they connected it to the domain. That’s all I did. Now, where is the decentralization?” ... “In fact, I’m not in control and they can throw me out at any moment, just like Twitter did. And yes, all domain services are like that, including .se and .do, but they aren’t promoting themselves as decentralized. Plus, those are reputable ones, and this is God knows who. They are just using Sci-Hub to promote this weird project,” Elbakyan said. ... https://www.coindesk.com/sci-hub-leaves-handshake-blockchain https://www.coindesk.com/sci-hub-leaves-handshake-blockchain
- StavrosK 6y agoI know, but this sounds like a misunderstanding. The Handshake equivalent of domains in the traditional DNS is TLDs, and that's what you can own and control (for example, I have several TLDs like .stavros). I own the keys for those and they're in my own wallet, and Elbakyan can own them too. She thought that having her own TLD was a hassle, so they gave her a second-level domain the TLD of which they managed themselves, but she didn't like that because they managed it. This could have been very easily solved if she was fine with them giving her www.sci-hub, but it sounds like she thought that owning a TLD would somehow be more hassle than owning a second-level domain. It doesn't sound very reasonable to me, sounds like a misunderstanding.
- southerntofu 6y agoMy understanding of handshake is that it's an interesting auction system (though the rationale for monetizing domain names itself should be questioned), but does "little more". There was this ICANN session a while back (streamable on zoom) with folks from both Handshake and GNU Name System devs making each a presentation about their "emerging identifiers". I found it really interesting to see how the two projects cover (in my view) different grounds.
- riedel 6y agohttps://scihub22266oqcxt.onion/ https://scihub22266oqcxt.onion/ exists for some while now but it times out for me
- LockAndLol 6y agoAnd .i2p domain too.
- Miner49er 6y agoSomebody created dns-over-wikipeda for this: https://github.com/aaronjanse/dns-over-wikipedia https://github.com/aaronjanse/dns-over-wikipedia
- andyjohnson0 6y agoThanks. sci-hub.se was the domain that I tried.
- calvano915 6y agoZlibrary is a mirror and they have a Tor address
- varshithr 6y agoSo VPN?
- mrlonglong 6y agoAlso, tor does a good job too.
- toomuchtodo 6y agoTo avoid congestion on the Tor network, you'd likely want to use Tor for the DNS resolution, but fallback to IPFS and HTTPS directly to IP addresses when fetching the content.
- generationP 6y agoIs sci-hub actually on IPFS now or is it still an idea floating in some heads?
- toomuchtodo 6y agoSci-hub is not yet on IPFS, libgen content already is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sci-Hub#Delivery_to_users https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sci-Hub#Delivery_to_users
- zaik 6y agoBtw if you want to help mirror some of libgen's files here is how you can do it: https://freeread.org/ipfs/ https://freeread.org/ipfs/
- DyslexicAtheist 6y agoor dnscrypt-proxy https://github.com/DNSCrypt/dnscrypt-proxy https://github.com/DNSCrypt/dnscrypt-proxy
- the8472 6y agoAre they only blocking it at the DNS level? If so running your own resolver should do the job too.
- cybert00th 6y agoIt's whack-a-mole time again children! Lots of money and time spent on what will, in the end, amount to a whole lot of nothing as, those who REALLY do want to access Sci-hub, will find a way round this.
- KingFelix 6y agoVery true
- vixen99 6y agoAnd isolated people without university connections who can't find a way will just have to abandon trying to access research papers relevant to their work unless able to shell out tens of Euros/dollars for one-off viewing. This is not an argument for or against, merely a statement of how things are for some. I wonder how many fall into this category.
- toxik 6y agoEven people with access use scihub. It’s just easier than whatever institutional login crap they throw at you.
- matthewdgreen 6y agoYup. We used to have to use some kind of obnoxious VPN to get access; Sci-Hub is just easier. My University's library has gradually been making this easier -- I suspect partially due to COVID and partially due to the fact that people weren't using it as much because Sci-Hub is actually user-friendly.
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- Frost1x 6y agoI'd love to see a pre-print database shared between all the major federal funding agencies which required any publications that go behind pay walls to share a corresponding pre-print that's publicly accessible for any paywalled publications. Let state and other private entities opt into joining the share repository. I get it. Editing and reviewing costs money for journals. That's fine, let them monetize their improved versions but let the tax payers decide if they care to pay for those services or not as opposed to digging around for a researchers public preprint if they maintain one or being forced to dig through Sci-Hub and the like. arXiv sort of fills this role and is growing in popularity but it's not mandated, centralized for all domains,, or promoted by the federal government which would push such an effort to the critical mass needed for larger adoption.
- wooger 6y ago> I get it. Editing and reviewing costs money for journals. Are you sure? I'm sure previous posts on here made it very clear that they're peer reviewed for free.
- TheGallopedHigh 6y agoPeer-review is free. Editing and Lay-out etc is done with the journal (not much though as they supply latex templates for your work). So there is some cost associated with this.
- prepend 6y agoI actually prefer the layout on arxiv over actual journals and recently was kind of surprised how the manuscript management system changed my layout more than just my preprint pdf. I think the layout costs could be reduced to near zero (ie, enough to be paid through the charity that funds preprint) with no negative impact. Editing is useful, I think. Although I don’t anything about the current costs or necessary costs.
- 0xbadcafebee 6y agoElsevier's ScienceDirect platform publishes over 500,000 articles a year, across 4,300 journals, providing over 18 million documents and 42,000 e-books, and serving over 18 million unique monthly page views (https://www.relx.com/~/media/Files/R/RELX-Group/documents/reports/annual-reports/2020-annual-report.pdf https://www.relx.com/~/media/Files/R/RELX-Group/documents/re...). Everything published goes through a process of peer review, editing, layout, final review, etc, and then access to the publication is maintained in perpetuity for thousands of institutions around in about a hundred countries. Here are their pricing policies: https://www.elsevier.com/about/policies/pricing https://www.elsevier.com/about/policies/pricing and their other policies, which gives you an idea what else is involved with managing journals: https://www.elsevier.com/about/policies https://www.elsevier.com/about/policies So, yeah, journals do have costs. I am not defending those costs. But it is worth pointing out that there's more to publishing than a free peer review and uploading it to GitHub.
- burundi_coffee 6y agoIn TalkTalk the domain of the website is explicitly stated. Would it be enough to change the domain name to get around this?
- breck 6y agoAnyone who was waiting for the revolution, now is the time. No more bullsh*t. No more compromise. The sun does not revolve around the earth, and the overwhelming evidence shows the ideal duration for patents and copyright is zero. #EndImaginaryProperty #LiberateIdeas #AbolishCopyrights #AbolishPatents #BringBackNapster
- mepian 6y agoHN doesn't implement hashtags.
- breck 6y agoWell then I guess people should post these hashtags to other places.
- matheusmoreira 6y agoYes!! Artificial monopolies make no sense in the 21st century. Data is infinite and the only way to lock it down is to prevent computers from copying it. That will necessarily destroy free computing as we know it. We must let go of these archaic ideas in order to safeguard the future of computing.
- forrestthewoods 6y agoGPL license doesn’t function without copyright law. Do you want to throw that out too?
- breck 6y agoYup. Licenses are for losers.
- HideousKojima 6y agoStallman himself has repeatedly said he only devised the GPL because it's the best option in a world where copyright exists.
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- uncledave 6y agoZen and AA have no blocking in place for any sites. Don’t go with major ISPs in the UK. They are a shit show.
- benlumen 6y agoShhh.
- southerntofu 6y ago> Don’t go with major ISPs in the UK. This is also the situation in France, where authorities have many times avoided targeting smaller non-profit operators, because they knew those would fight tooth and nail in courts to try and defeat censorship orders.
- uncledave 6y agoWe’ve got an alliance here called ISPA which is pro censorship. The small guys aren’t interesting in being members.
- HotHotLava 6y agoI wish scientists would start growing a spine and stop citing Elsevier journals. That's the only thing that will break the vicious cycle of everybody publishing there because it gets a lot of citations, despite nobody actually reading in the journal. Put up a link to the pdf on the authors home page as reference, if it is essential to the paper, or leave it out completely if it isn't.
- gautamdivgi 6y agoI don't agree with what Elsevier and Springer are doing but asking scientists to rectify the problem is the wrong thing. The decision needs to be legislated. No scientist or grad student is going to put their careers or PhD at risk for this. I wouldn't. fwiw - when I was a grad student I had access to these journals through my university library.
- breck 6y ago> No scientist or grad student is going to put their careers or PhD at risk for this. I would and I urge everyone to do so too. History will look back on this period and see which side of the line people stood on. #LiberateIdeas
- Someone 6y agoThings are changing (slowly). See https://www.coalition-s.org/ https://www.coalition-s.org/. That has decent support from Europe, but not from the large US funders (https://www.coalition-s.org/organisations/ https://www.coalition-s.org/organisations/)
- dartharva 6y agoWhen will they ever learn? Forcing ISPs to block websites will only antagonize the scholars more, who can anyway access the website with or without a ban. They'll do nothing to harm Sci-hub, in fact it'll make it even more popular. Elsevier also did this in India - it pissed me off so much I shifted towards downloading papers from Sci-Hub even when I have a university subscription.
- higerordermap 6y agoI could access Sci Hub from India a few days ago, from Jio, for what it's worth.
- dr_dshiv 6y agoI have great access through my university library system. But Sci-Hub and LibGen have radically accelerated my ability to do research. It can be infuriating when I can't find a book or article that I need. But 9/10 that happens within the digital library system not scihub/LibGen.