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Larry King has died
- chovybizzass 6y agoLong Live King Larry. back when CNN actually had news.
- smoyer 6y agoOh how I long for the days when any of the "news channels" actually had news. Is there anybody who simply states facts anymore?
- redis_mlc 6y agoNo because: 1) Glenn Greenwald said that US journalists must toe the leftist narrative or they will be shunned by fellow journalists 2) Youtube has just demonetized one of the few remaining independent media outlets, NTD/Epoch Times.
- mgkimsal 6y ago"facts", when presented individually, can create almost any impression the fact presenter wants to create. and that's what we've been seeing so much of - people looking at "facts" outside of larger contexts, and (intentionally or not) drawing wrong conclusions.
- brobdingnagians 6y agoYou are correct there. It is easy to take two facts and extrapolate almost anything you want. I think the issue is that in a lot of modern news the facts are lost in the opinions and rhetoric and extrapolation to the party line. It is better to have lists of facts than lists of opinions; and even better to have a coherent collection of facts that all corroborate one another. It is good to have a variety of primary sources and hard data over a long time period. Too often the news just quotes a death figure without giving you context of how many people usually die in a year, or other information; presumably that data exists. It would be much better to have death rates for each year over the last hundred years, then be able to compare.
- mgkimsal 6y agoI had months of people telling me the 'fact' that "Fauci said not to wear a mask! That's a fact! Go read it here!" When presented with "well, he also later said 'wear a mask' - which is also a fact"... I would get "fake news" or "he flip flops and therefore can't be trusted". When pointed out they were still 'trusting' the "don't wear a mask" fact... things usually ended there, with some profanity thrown my way. When more information was presented, it was almost always countered with "that's just your opinion". Or... "I don't trust CNN", etc. At some point a switch flips with many people and "facts" only count when they match your internal belief system.
- iso1210 6y agoWhich facts? A list of facts is often biassed.
- brobdingnagians 6y agoI think the main issue is when there are _no_ facts, no primary sources, no hard data.
- guerrilla 6y agoThat's a second problem. You still need to solve the first one to even have that one.
- pmorici 6y agoPBS News Hour? There isn’t enough of National or Global importance to fill a 24/7 broadcast so any channel that needs to fill that amount of time is doomed to have poor quality.
- jghn 6y agoThey’ll repeat, but it’s not clear why that is poor quality. It’s not a bad thing that there’s not true, honest to goodness, novel news at all hours of the day.
- jghn 6y agoAl Jazeera English (can’t speak to the other streams) has 30-60 minute blocks of actual news throughout the day. Another benefit is that they have a more global perspective so those news blocks are a lot more likely to be covering the unrest in Darfur than a human interest story about a woman in Idaho who just ate her 10000th Big Mac
- p1esk 6y agoNot gonna lie, I’m more likely to click on Big Mac woman video than on unrest in Darfur.
- brobdingnagians 6y agoI wish more people would post primary sources & hard data. A lot of people will disagree with the content, but "The Last American Vagabond"[1] does a good job of presenting primary sources (usually medical journals/studies, gov't press releases, interviews, CDC, WHO etc.); includes links to all of them in all show notes so you can look through all of it. The main point here is that including primary sources is important, and I don't see most people doing that. I wish more news sources would include the primary sources and more hard data to support their position. [1] http://thelastamericanvagabond.com/ http://thelastamericanvagabond.com/
- codysan 6y agoIt's just as misleading to string together dozens of "sources" in an article to prop up a narrative. It appears to me that the website you've linked is just playing on peoples paranoia, a la YouTube "news" channels. If the actual content has to chase the dramatic headline the entire time, you can be sure that it's a whole lot of BS.
- treeman79 6y agoJamie Dupree is what I consider a gold standard reporter of trying to get personal bias out of reporting.
- geff82 6y agoEuronews simply has facts.
- Cthulhu_ 6y agoPlenty, but you have to find them first. But even if news LOOKS like they stick to the facts, you should still look at them critically and get your news from multiple sources; they can still influence your opinion simply by omission or by emphasis (random example: put a muslim terrorist attack front and center, put a nazi terrorist attack in a byline or not publish it at all). The news items themselves can be presented neutrally, but what news to present and how still matters.
- wiredfool 6y agoHow do you put a terrorist attack in a byline?
- oceanplexian 6y agoSimple, do what they are doing with the Nashville bombing and the Las Vegas shooting before that. Don’t bother investigating any relatives, family members, or neighbors. Do a few fluff interviews with the FBI or the police and put it somewhere at the bottom of the page.
- pmoriarty 6y ago"Is there anybody who simply states facts anymore?" Which facts? Picking and choosing which facts to report is in itself a way of controlling the narrative.
- aero-glide2 6y agoNews channels were always like this. We just have the internet to cross check now.
- phkahler 6y ago>> News channels were always like this. We just have the internet to cross check now. CNN was not in the beginning. They were a scrappy news channel that came to prominence with real reporting (most notably in the Iraq war). They got corrupted once it was clear they could not be ignored. News sources have probably always had bias, but it was never such blatant characature back in the day.
- wisam 6y agoI'm not even American, but CNN coverage of the 1990-91 Gulf War really put them on the radar. The whole Middle East watched CNN Live coverage.
- mbg721 6y agoAnecdotally, (and I am American) it was also somewhere between the Gulf War and the OJ Simpson trial that cable changed from some exotic thing that rich people paid for to something a lot of your friends had.
- spaetzleesser 6y agoI remember there was this CNN guy in Bagdad that reported the air attacks live from there. That definitely put them on the map.
- evgen 6y agoBernard Shaw and a couple of other reporters from what I remember. I distinctly recall tuning in a few minutes after things started and listening to them hide in the hotel room as Iraqi security started to clear the hotel that all of the reporters were staying in at the time.
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- koolba 6y agoFor the curious, that was in 2010.
- epc 6y agoFacts don’t attract viewers, facts don’t pay.
- mxcrossb 6y agoHence why over half of the comments in this thread about the passing of Larry King are about the political bent of CNN
- mbg721 6y agoWas that about the same time period MTV had music videos?
- ecopoesis 6y agoDon’t parrot popular false narratives. CNN still has news today, though generally only on breaking news type situations. It turns out the Internet is better for headlines then a thirty-minute talking head loop. And when on CNN Larry King wasn’t part of their news operation. He was a talk show radio host. Larry King Live was Oprah for old men. Larry King is big part of why CNN moved away from 100% news.
- _Microft 6y agoStop spreading FUD, CNN actually does have news. Certain parts of the populace might not like their reporting but that’s it.
- tspowell 6y agoCNN uses clickbait titles and misleading interpretations to pander to their viewers for page views. They are far from respectable.
- briefcomment 6y agoI’m sure there’s news, but it’s always buried under a mound of opinion. And there’s news worthy facts that get conveniently left out.
- MobileVet 6y agoEvery organization has bias, period. Some have more, some have less. The sooner one recognizes and accepts it, the sooner one is able to have constructive conversations and consume media with the appropriate level of skepticism. News is a business like any other. They require money, which is equal to clicks in the online world. Hate the game, not the player (unless they are purposefully distorting reality).
- PaulHoule 6y agoMostly CNN is sensationalistic and wants to develop an attachment to it's brand. CNN has to fill 24 hrs of TV and has less budget to do it then a network has for the half hour evening broadcast. That means as little flying to flyover states as possible, never leave WDC or Atlanta, certainly dont send Anderson Cooper to Egypt where he could get beat up by government thugs. Thus its a lot easier to make the news about yourself; reminds me of the ESPN morning SportsCenter from years ago -- when they ran out of sports lowlights the anchors would get caught abusing people on tape.
- maxerickson 6y agohttps://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/anderson-cooper-attacked-mob-egypt-95628 https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/anderson-cooper-attac... Are you saying they changed in the last 10 years? CNN has revenues in excess of $1 billion, so they are likely spending millions of dollars a day.
- wesleywt 6y agoIts still news. You just want to an opinion, which is not news.
- qubex 6y agoTangentially related: the first time I got online with a 56k modem way back in mid ‘99, cnn.com was the first website I could think of pointing my browser (Netscape) to.
- wisam 6y ago2001 was the first time I got online; first site visited was also cnn.com on a 56k modem.
- baccheion 6y agoThe first site I visited was porn.com. 1998.
- Cthulhu_ 6y agoFirst time was me and my dad going to the local library, really thinking on what the heck to do. I think we went for lego.com (I must've been around nine at the time?). Later when we got internet at home we looked up "spelletjes" (Dutch for games) aaand ended up on a porn site. Thankfully not one with images on the front page.
- dkersten 6y agoI don't remember what the first site I visited was, but I remember the whole hype about "going online on the internet" and it being rather anticlimactic in the end.
- taneq 6y agoI think my first brush with the internet was in 96 or 97 and I ended up staring at a Yahoo search box with absolutely no idea what to even do with it. Netscape Navigator 4 or something. Good times.
- philtar 6y ago'97 or '98 for me. Went online because I heard Nasa put up pictures of Mars so the first website I went to was nasa.gov I typed out the entire url like nasa.gov/pathfinder/images or whatever it was after seeing it on TV and writing it down. It took a while to load and then was super underwhelming. I think I searched for Sonic The Hedgehog next.
- fakedang 6y agoLarry King was the OG interviewer. To the point, rational, always asking pointed questions, yet not shying from adding a dash of humor. Yet to find anyone on par with him.
- rossmohax 6y agoHis program on RT was one of few worth watching
- janmo 6y agoHN is turning into an obituary. Brad Cox yesterday, Larry King today.
- Simon_says 6y agoLotta that goin' around.
- TillE 6y agoThis has been a persistent issue for years. The obituaries are a really weird quirk of HN, which is otherwise not a general news site. Some public figure dies, no particular relevance to this site's users, nobody has anything especially interesting to say, but there's the post at the top of the page. Baffling.
- JoeAltmaier 6y agoThere's a 'hide' button below each submission title. I suggest hitting that when some post isn't riveting. Saves on pointless complaining.
- janmo 6y agoThanks, I think it would be great if HN would have more categories/tags. There is already the "Show HN" which is great. And then an option to hide/follow a certain tag/category.
- xu_ituairo 6y agoSad. (Ora Media inserting themselves into the obit so many times feels crass.)
- tux1968 6y agoAlways enjoyed his interviews and his style. I happened to just watched a very short clip of him talking about his fear of death with Norm Macdonald last night. Guess we all have to face that moment, and even though he had a long and successful life i'm sorry for him and his family now. I linked the clip[1] below, but it may be a bit disconcerting and too soon to view for some. [1] https://youtu.be/8ZKq7CoZv4w https://youtu.be/8ZKq7CoZv4w
- alsetmusic 6y agoSad news that he died. I don’t identify with a fear of “not existing.” Not existing doesn’t have a negative connotation to me. It’s an absence of awareness, so who cares?
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- djitz 6y agoPeople who want to maintain awareness.
- DJBunnies 6y agoThat's their point though. They wont have any.
- alisonkisk 6y agoThey like their life and want a future.
- DJBunnies 6y agoThat does not conflict with the premise though.
- scsilver 6y agoAre people who are drawn to the spotlight more likely to care about what people think of them when they are not around/dead.
- PaulHoule 6y agoIn my mind any good he's done was long erased by his informercials for scam supplements -- no wonder old folks hate the Government, most of what they see advertised on TV is fraud in plain site and nobody does anything about it.
- Frost1x 6y agoGovernment definitely shares the blame here but let's not forget business practices that humor the idea of directly lying to customers. Statistically, that older population are the very population that votes for representatives pushing looser regulations/enforcement on businesses that enable these sort of behaviors. Representatives clearly looking out for business interests over the average voter's interest (the consumers) don't help matters.
- PaulHoule 6y agoRight, that's why the right wing is so dominant in America: there is a positive feedback loop such that the carnage they cause gives them more power.
- sidlls 6y agoThis doesn't deserve downvotes: it's the truth. I'd add: the feedback loop works in part because there really is not a left wing in America. There is a right wing (democrats) and a dangerously unstable, evil extremist wing (republicans).
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- ABeeSea 6y agoR: Government doesn’t work. R gets elected and proceeds to sabotage government R: See government doesn’t work! Example: Trump put Rick Perry in charge of the Department of Energy including our nuclear labs. Rick Perry had previously said the Department of Energy should be dismantled and should no longer exist.
- williesleg 6y agoWitch wife gets the mother load?
- baxtr 6y agoI always enjoyed his interviews especially his calm style. It’s maybe not that relevant, but: he died of/with Covid... R.I.P.
- nerdponx 6y agoI think it's relevant. He might have had more time, and his family would have had more time with him. All of the US politicians who obstructed a proper pandemic response back in March have his and 350k others' blood on their hands.
- rayiner 6y ago> All of the US politicians who obstructed a proper pandemic response back in March have his and 350k others' blood on their hands. What about all the other big EU countries that have comparable death rates? (The UK, France, Spain, Italy, etc.) And what about the countervailing economic devastation caused by lockdowns? How much “blood” does Fauci and the CDC have on their hands for lying about masks early in the pandemic? Moralizing public policy like this is one of the worst ideas we’ve had in the last few decades and we need to goddamn cut it out.
- dahart 6y ago> Moralizing public policy like this is one of the worst ideas we’ve had in the last few decades Amen. Politicizing and protesting mask wearing is the dumbest thing Republicans could have done to their own agenda of keeping the economy going. I really don’t get it. What our leaders should have been asking us to do is wear a mask to go out shopping safely. At least Fauci admitted it was a mistake to say early on not to get masks, at least his statements were aimed at protecting COVID responders, and at least he corrected it fairly early on.
- rayiner 6y agoYes, it was incredibly stupid. But so was people throwing around "blood on your hands" rhetoric every time someone mentioned the very legitimate need to reopen the economy. I remember American media flipping out over Trump saying we can't stay locked down forever, and then watching Germans nod soberly along while Angela Merkel said the exact same thing. We've become addicted to moralizing political decisions. Reagan unfortunately is responsible for a lot of that, also Gingrich. But since Obama Democrats have run with that tactic too.
- shimonabi 6y agoI remember him sitting the whole night in that CNN election studio when Kerry lost, looking really upset. Jon Stewart made fun of his interview style by writing a Larry King interview with Hitler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPK1d5Fh0mE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPK1d5Fh0mE
- Tade0 6y agoI learned English watching Larry King Live, because that was my father's favourite talkshow during the 90s. I didn't understand half of what was going on in those conversations, but what stuck with me was the broad spectrum of people he interviewed and how consistently respectful he was towards his interviewees.
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- graupel 6y agoLarry King spoke at a conference I was at in the early 1990s and his speech was so good I bought an audio cassette tape copy of it. Wow I sound old!
- INVEST_IN_UVXY 6y agoI couldn't care less about some old white guy. What is with America and it's glorification of white not-so-funny "comedians"?
- ignoranceprior 6y agoLarry King previously stated that he wanted his body to be cryopreserved after legal death: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/30/magazine/larry-king-is-preparing-for-the-final-cancellation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/30/magazine/larry-king-is-pr... > He has arranged to have his body frozen and then thawed out when researchers discover a cure for whatever killed him — the so-called cryonics approach. (Unlike Williams, King does not wish to have his dead head cut off.) King told me later that the people behind cryonics are ‘‘all nuts,’’ but at least if he knows he will be frozen he will die with a shred of hope. ‘‘Other people have no hope,’’ King said. Also see his interview on Conan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7NpKG_S8g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7NpKG_S8g I wonder he actually ended up signing a cryonics contract or not.
- turing_complete 6y agoWhy wouldn't you do this if you have the money? :-)
- alisonkisk 6y agoIf your don't want to be frozen and want to do something useful with your money. If you care about preserving yourself, spread your genes or memes is a more effective way
- melling 6y agoIn 500 years when we have the technology to revive him and he can live a few hundred additional years, wouldn’t his investment now be better? The understanding of aging, disease, and death is progressing slowly but a few centuries of research will likely make significant discoveries.
- kubanczyk 6y agoSpreading your memes for money is known as advertising. Not particularly cheap or effective. Didn't hear about anything similar for genes. These two are much better done by investing your own time and your own effort. Of the remaining important things that money can buy, I think cryogenics is a very decent gamble.
- kilroy123 6y agoI saw him several times at Dodger stadium. I never met him as I didn't want to go bother the guy. For those that don't know, he was a massive baseball and Dodger fan and would sit right behind home plate. He could often be seen on TV. He would often go to games and just sit at the bar watching from inside. Crazy but I guess he felt more comfortable there at the stadium instead of at home. RIP Larry
- xbar 6y agoMy older brother introduced me to intellectual literature, Larry King, the Dodgers, and PBS cooking shows in the 1980s. I wish I had kept as up to date with all of them as I did with Larry King for the rest of his career. RIP
- libertine 6y agoThe man that didn't want to die because he didn't believe in after life, and wanted to be frozen so he could keep on going. I wonder if they could even fulfill his wish due to covid...
- siltpotato 6y agoHow is this relevant to a tech news website? I will attempt to guess some reasons and I ask others here if any of mine are correct, because I do not understand the hn rules for relevance for nondirectlytechrelated content. - Founded a media company: television is tech - Was his diversity of media usage cutting edge at the times he jumped on (though late for radio though)? Was he frequently an early adopter? I can't tell, but if so, then. - I am uncreative and am uncertain of other reasons... Please supply.
- danso 6y agoLarry learning to play the harp, 5 years ago: https://youtu.be/9aexdYSarow?t=96 https://youtu.be/9aexdYSarow?t=96
- throwawaycauseT 6y agoI ended up watching a few videos of his, and I found this one of him interviewing Donald and Melania Trump in 2005: https://youtu.be/q4XfyYFa9yo https://youtu.be/q4XfyYFa9yo
- simmons 6y agoWhen I was a kid growing up in a small town in the 1980's, radio was my way of finding out about the outside world. I would stay up late at night listening when I was supposed to be sleeping. I often ended up listening to Larry King's late night radio show. Although unlikely for the medium and time slot, he was somehow able to attract amazing guests, and I learned about a lot of things. I especially remember his interviews with Isaac Asimov and Douglas Adams, which introduced me to those authors. RIP.
- audiometry 6y agoI never cared for his tv shows but I recall enjoying his late night am radio show that I listened to each night at my summer university semester in Texas back in 1992. He was pretty quick on his feet dealing w obnoxious callers. For some reason I still recall (and chuckle) him cutting down a nasty caller with, “you, sir, are lonely by the choice of others”. Amuses me 30 years later.
- fattire 6y ago"Last Chance To See" interview?
- xxpor 6y agoPart of the reason he was able to attract guests was because he didn't ask tough or technical questions. That's not a criticism, I think there's more than enough room for both the Larry Kings and Isaac Chotners of the world, and they're both important in their own ways.
- astheydo12 6y agoUK main stream tabloid media is painting this as covid, perhaps not exactly (use of commas and within), but knowingly inferring it was from covid, buried in the article is lung cancer, t2, and several other degenerative diseases. Getting sick of covid fear being spun. Slightly OT. tl;dr he died. not of covid.
- CyberRabbi 6y agoHe was mensch. Z"L
- GNU_James 6y agoHow is this related to IT?
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- progre 6y agoNot everything has to be if you read the site guidelines
- gdubs 6y agoI will forever associate Larry King with the movie “Spin”. [1] It’s a rather brilliant indie documentary about the 1992 (Bill Clinton / HW Bush) election based on a fascinating technological element: back then, Satellite TV feeds would often just keep running during commercial breaks, or warmups. So the director recorded a TON of footage from these moments where the politicians and news anchors acted themselves, seemingly unaware that anyone was watching. The segments with Larry King are, um, memorable. Very candid moments. 1: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_(1995_film) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_(1995_film)
- ridaj 6y agoThanks for the recommendation This one's pretty good: https://youtu.be/VCUIlV-AKY4 https://youtu.be/VCUIlV-AKY4
- PIKAL 6y agoHow is it possible for any intellectually honest person to downvote a piece of raw, unedited and candid video footage? How?
- SkyMarshal 6y agoThanks. I haven't seen it, but this looks like it might be the full documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlJkgQZb0VU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlJkgQZb0VU Here's the part where the documentary explains how he got all the behind-the-scenes footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlJkgQZb0VU&t=3m58s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlJkgQZb0VU&t=3m58s. TLDR - raw video from remote studios were first beamed via satellite to the Network's HQ for editing and "packaging". But back in those days, people with satellite boxes could intercept and view the raw pre-packaged feeds.
- cbhl 6y agoYou should also be able to find it on the Internet Archive. https://archive.org/details/SPINSpringer1995 https://archive.org/details/SPINSpringer1995
- PIKAL 6y agoDecades ago, the news networks used to beam AV via satellite directly from the remote station in the field back to headquarters to be broadcast. They didn’t encrypt those signals, so anyone could pick them up if they knew how. This was raw footage, so there would often be candid segments showing people setting stuff up or getting ready for an interview. Someone recorded a lot of these and later published a multi-hour compilation of them on YouTube. I forget the name of that compilation, but I can tell you that the following is by far the most interesting segment from it. https://youtu.be/VCUIlV-AKY4 https://youtu.be/VCUIlV-AKY4 When I try to tell people about this segment, they don’t believe me. They write me off as being insane. Decide for yourself. Don’t believe what the news media tells you. Edit: DanG, why is my comment being collapsed when it has ~20 upvotes?
- tanotcare 6y ago"serve" him in a cabinet position. Hope that clears things up!
- PIKAL 6y agoAnd you would say the same thing if the same footage came out but it was Bill O Reilly, Rupert Murdoch and George Bush instead of Clinton, King and Turner?
- ChrisClark 6y agoUm, yes, of course. Isn't it obvious what the context is?
- PIKAL 6y agoIn what context should billionaire media moguls be serving, colluding or collaborating with politicians of any kind, let alone a presidential candidate?
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- betimsl 6y agoNgushellime familjes.
- kippinitreal 6y agoGreat interview with Larry King focused on his interview style: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/larry-king/id1248446620?i=1000389624132 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/larry-king/id124844662... Some great stories in there including one about how in his early days he would play a game with his producer where he’d go in blind and try and figure out who his guest is. I guess this helped him develop his “average guy” style. While series is worth a listen if interview styles is of interest.
- djmips 6y agoMy favorite part of this interview about interviewing. King: "I hate interviewers who don't ask questions but make statements" Thorn: "Well that's just what I was going to say. One of things about your interview style that's special is you are a very modest interviewer. You're not afraid to ask a simple question.. uh what is this..." King: then interrupts his statement and riffs as if Thorn had asked the question "Why do you ask simple questions". :D
- antattack 6y agoIt was interesting to me to learn recently that Larry King was in business of making infomercials. Including one where he was supposedly tricked: https://www.propublica.org/article/the-disinfomercial-how-larry-king-got-duped-into-starring-in-chinese-propaganda https://www.propublica.org/article/the-disinfomercial-how-la...
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- alexjplant 6y agoOne of the more amusing cultural intersections I've seen is Larry King on Snoop Dogg's YouTube channel... though I guess given the latter's collaborations with Martha Stewart it shouldn't be _that_ surprising. RIP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8awqtaD3LAI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8awqtaD3LAI
- king_panic 6y agoSnoop dogg is as pop culture as Martha Stewart and Larry King and has been for awhile
- RobGav 6y agoI am Polish and I haven't watched too many of his programs, but great respect for the quality of journalism.