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All of the ISPs merged with media companies, instituted data caps, and then exempted their in house media from the data caps. So yeah, fairly substantial. htt

by wilde 6y ago

All of the ISPs merged with media companies, instituted data caps, and then exempted their in house media from the data caps. So yeah, fairly substantial. https://www.theverge.com/net-neutrality https://www.theverge.com/net-neutrality

parineum 6y ago
> All of the ISPs merged with media companies, instituted data caps, and then exempted their in house media from the data caps. All of them? From your link, looks like it's ATT who did that. Cox, my ISP, instituted a data cap before the repeal. Furthermore, data caps have zero to do with net neutrality. Preferential billing and routing based on source or destination is certainly more possible with a data cap but data caps are net neutral by themselves. Data caps are cancer but they aren't going anywhere unless there's competition. Competition may also make net neutrality, as a political issue, obsolete. Net neutrality seems like a red herring to keep the telecom regulatory capture off the front page.
- kevincox 6y ago
  The data cap isn't the issue. The issue is excluding some services (especially their own). This is basically a monopolization move.
solarkraft 6y ago
Zero-rating is not against european net neutrality regulations, by the way, but to be fair data caps are (mostly) only a thing for mobile connections here.
- tinus_hn 6y ago
  Zero rating is against the law in the EU: https://techcrunch.com/2020/09/15/europes-top-court-says-net-neutrality-rules-bar-zero-rating/ https://techcrunch.com/2020/09/15/europes-top-court-says-net...
brutal_chaos_ 6y ago
Yep, Comcast instituted a cap in my area. $10/1GB over, if I remember the "agreement I didn't sign" correctly. Edit to add: I've blown the cap in a 2 week period. It is ridiculous
AntiImperialist 6y ago
Wrong! The data caps and high internet costs are pushed onto the public because someone has to pay the ISPs. If Net Neutrality was repealed, Google, Netflix etc. would largely pay for it and the public wouldn't have to pay for it. You could argue that this would mean these companies would factor in the cost in the services they provide anyway, but it would open the market to more decentralized internet, which would be better for everyone. Net Neutrality is what keeps the internet favorable to large internet corporations... and the lobbies and special interest groups and all of these corporations put out so much propaganda when it comes to this discussion. Imagine if people and large corporate entities had to pay the same amount of tax regardless of how much they made, and everyone called it "financial equality". That'd be retarded... and so is this.

by wilde 6y ago

parineum 6y ago

> All of the ISPs merged with media companies, instituted data caps, and then exempted their in house media from the data caps. All of them? From your link, looks like it's ATT who did that. Cox, my ISP, instituted a data cap before the repeal. Furthermore, data caps have zero to do with net neutrality. Preferential billing and routing based on source or destination is certainly more possible with a data cap but data caps are net neutral by themselves. Data caps are cancer but they aren't going anywhere unless there's competition. Competition may also make net neutrality, as a political issue, obsolete. Net neutrality seems like a red herring to keep the telecom regulatory capture off the front page.

kevincox 6y ago
The data cap isn't the issue. The issue is excluding some services (especially their own). This is basically a monopolization move.

solarkraft 6y ago

Zero-rating is not against european net neutrality regulations, by the way, but to be fair data caps are (mostly) only a thing for mobile connections here.

tinus_hn 6y ago
Zero rating is against the law in the EU: https://techcrunch.com/2020/09/15/europes-top-court-says-net-neutrality-rules-bar-zero-rating/ https://techcrunch.com/2020/09/15/europes-top-court-says-net...

brutal_chaos_ 6y ago

Yep, Comcast instituted a cap in my area. $10/1GB over, if I remember the "agreement I didn't sign" correctly. Edit to add: I've blown the cap in a 2 week period. It is ridiculous

AntiImperialist 6y ago

Wrong! The data caps and high internet costs are pushed onto the public because someone has to pay the ISPs. If Net Neutrality was repealed, Google, Netflix etc. would largely pay for it and the public wouldn't have to pay for it. You could argue that this would mean these companies would factor in the cost in the services they provide anyway, but it would open the market to more decentralized internet, which would be better for everyone. Net Neutrality is what keeps the internet favorable to large internet corporations... and the lobbies and special interest groups and all of these corporations put out so much propaganda when it comes to this discussion. Imagine if people and large corporate entities had to pay the same amount of tax regardless of how much they made, and everyone called it "financial equality". That'd be retarded... and so is this.