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I'm confused -- what did she do that "reached beyond her grasp" or "dramatized" the number of COVID-19 deaths in Florida? Edit: You're all over this comment th

I'm confused -- what did she do that "reached beyond her grasp" or "dramatized" the number of COVID-19 deaths in Florida? Edit: You're all over this comment thread, what relationship do you have to this story, if any?

salmon30salmon 6y ago
The message sent via emergency comms was quite dramatic. Her insistence that the numbers were being cooked with malice to justify reopening is also attributing to conspiracy that which could be explained by differing opinions on how to clean up messy data (if someone tested positive on vacation, will they count in their home state or Florida?)
- TameAntelope 6y ago
  She was told to turn an 18% to a 10% so more counties would appear ready to reopen, according to the article linked within this one. I may need some help understanding how that's a "differing opinion" about how to clean up data.
  - salmon30salmon 6y ago
    To me that doesn't pass the smell test. In my state, they've just changed the thresholds. "New science is showing XYZ so in response counties can now eat at restaurants if their shits under 20"
    - esoterae 6y ago
      Changing a threshold is not changing the underlying data. One is attempting to be rational and iterate through policy, and the other is lying. Edit: Just to be explicit, yes I'm calling out the false equivalence as a logical fallacy.
      - salmon30salmon 6y ago
        Right no shit. What I'm arguing is that people take the path of least resistance and it would have been far easier to announce a policy change than cook the books. I am saying that if opening up was the only reason, I do not believe that's the path they would take. Of course I'm just basing this off of my own feels.
        yazaddaruvala 6y ago
        Making a policy change has consequences. “De Santis made a terrible policy change, X people are now dead” is a very different headline than “after the data suggested Florida open up, X people are now dead”. I don’t know if there is a conspiracy, but your argument regarding motivation is definitely not thorough.
mrhyyyyde 6y ago
Has a real interest in only this subject apparently: https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=salmon30salmon https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=salmon30salmon
- salmon30salmon 6y ago
  See my response to the parent. Yes, coronavirus gets me all hot and bothered.
- monoideism 6y ago
  What are you insinuating, exactly?
  - salmon30salmon 6y ago
    He is saying I am either a troll or a pawn.
    - nobody9999 6y ago
      >He is saying I am either a troll or a pawn. I didn't interpret that comment the same way at all. I think the gist of it can be summed up by (purportedly) Winston Churchill: "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." If, as you suggest, you're using a semi-throwaway account specifically to discuss COVID, unless other folks know that, your posting history with this account would likely give that impression.
  - elliekelly 6y ago
    I’m not the person you’re replying to but I do think anyone who comes to HN to discuss primarily one narrow (and politically contentious) topic isn’t participating in HN in good faith. There’s no effort to “gratify one’s intellectual curiosity” or “have curious conversation” if you’ve arrived with an agenda.
    - salmon30salmon 6y ago
salmon30salmon 6y ago
No relationship. Just bored on a day off. I am passionate about Covid related topics because I am frankly concerned by the rhetoric around Covid. It boggles my mind that this has become so politicized and opposition is equated with homicidal disregard for human life. There is also so much sensationalism around Covid that it's impossible to actually discuss. Mask compliance for example. I've heard so many times that if only dumbfuck America would mask up we'd be sitting pretty. Except the US has some oh the highest mask compliance of western nations. People talk about anti-lockdown protests as being pawns for the far right and hating science, yet these protests are not unique to the US or the Right. Essentially our response to a pandemic has devolved into people shouting memes at one another while 30 million unemployed are liking up at food banks. It's fucking crazy
- TameAntelope 6y ago
  I think in this case, you're getting back what you put into the conversation. I've never been accused of disregarding human life, and I've had a bunch of conversations here and elsewhere about COVID-19 response. It feels like you're in what I call a "contrarian headspace" where you believe you've discovered something that's under-reported or under-represented, and you've grabbed firmly onto that belief, riding it into every conversation you can. Here be dragons, especially on HN. I think, to retain my own sanity, I'm going to bow out of this conversation, but I do suggest you take a good hard look at how your beliefs landed you on the same side as the system crushing Rebekah Jones. What they're doing to her is, regardless of legal technicality, problematic, and if you're not able to see that because of your feelings about COVID coverage, you're in some trouble.
  - salmon30salmon 6y ago
    And likewise, you inability to see her as anything but a martyr against an oppressive system is informed by your tightly held belief that the government is for some reason downplaying Covid. Oh is that not the case? Then don't attribute some armchair psychology to my motives. I in no way think I've "discovered" something underreported. I know full well that millions of people, from credentialed scientists to dumbfuck hillbillies see the same things I rail against. I've been accused of disregarding human life for my views on Covid response. Which is funny as Covid has touched my family in painful ways. Humans are complex beings, more so than your coined phrase captures. But I still love you! I hope someday we all can have a calm, reasonable discussion about epidemics. Because this will happen again, so we need to study our response here as much as possible
Geminidog 6y ago
Just because someone is interested in a topic doesn't mean they're connected to the topic.

salmon30salmon 6y ago

The message sent via emergency comms was quite dramatic. Her insistence that the numbers were being cooked with malice to justify reopening is also attributing to conspiracy that which could be explained by differing opinions on how to clean up messy data (if someone tested positive on vacation, will they count in their home state or Florida?)

TameAntelope 6y ago
She was told to turn an 18% to a 10% so more counties would appear ready to reopen, according to the article linked within this one. I may need some help understanding how that's a "differing opinion" about how to clean up data.
- salmon30salmon 6y ago
  To me that doesn't pass the smell test. In my state, they've just changed the thresholds. "New science is showing XYZ so in response counties can now eat at restaurants if their shits under 20"
  - esoterae 6y ago
    Changing a threshold is not changing the underlying data. One is attempting to be rational and iterate through policy, and the other is lying. Edit: Just to be explicit, yes I'm calling out the false equivalence as a logical fallacy.
    - salmon30salmon 6y ago
      Right no shit. What I'm arguing is that people take the path of least resistance and it would have been far easier to announce a policy change than cook the books. I am saying that if opening up was the only reason, I do not believe that's the path they would take. Of course I'm just basing this off of my own feels.
      - yazaddaruvala 6y ago
        Making a policy change has consequences. “De Santis made a terrible policy change, X people are now dead” is a very different headline than “after the data suggested Florida open up, X people are now dead”. I don’t know if there is a conspiracy, but your argument regarding motivation is definitely not thorough.

mrhyyyyde 6y ago

Has a real interest in only this subject apparently: https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=salmon30salmon https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=salmon30salmon

salmon30salmon 6y ago
See my response to the parent. Yes, coronavirus gets me all hot and bothered.
monoideism 6y ago
What are you insinuating, exactly?
- salmon30salmon 6y ago
  He is saying I am either a troll or a pawn.
  - nobody9999 6y ago
    >He is saying I am either a troll or a pawn. I didn't interpret that comment the same way at all. I think the gist of it can be summed up by (purportedly) Winston Churchill: "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." If, as you suggest, you're using a semi-throwaway account specifically to discuss COVID, unless other folks know that, your posting history with this account would likely give that impression.
- elliekelly 6y ago
  I’m not the person you’re replying to but I do think anyone who comes to HN to discuss primarily one narrow (and politically contentious) topic isn’t participating in HN in good faith. There’s no effort to “gratify one’s intellectual curiosity” or “have curious conversation” if you’ve arrived with an agenda.
  - salmon30salmon 6y ago

salmon30salmon 6y ago

No relationship. Just bored on a day off. I am passionate about Covid related topics because I am frankly concerned by the rhetoric around Covid. It boggles my mind that this has become so politicized and opposition is equated with homicidal disregard for human life. There is also so much sensationalism around Covid that it's impossible to actually discuss. Mask compliance for example. I've heard so many times that if only dumbfuck America would mask up we'd be sitting pretty. Except the US has some oh the highest mask compliance of western nations. People talk about anti-lockdown protests as being pawns for the far right and hating science, yet these protests are not unique to the US or the Right. Essentially our response to a pandemic has devolved into people shouting memes at one another while 30 million unemployed are liking up at food banks. It's fucking crazy

TameAntelope 6y ago
I think in this case, you're getting back what you put into the conversation. I've never been accused of disregarding human life, and I've had a bunch of conversations here and elsewhere about COVID-19 response. It feels like you're in what I call a "contrarian headspace" where you believe you've discovered something that's under-reported or under-represented, and you've grabbed firmly onto that belief, riding it into every conversation you can. Here be dragons, especially on HN. I think, to retain my own sanity, I'm going to bow out of this conversation, but I do suggest you take a good hard look at how your beliefs landed you on the same side as the system crushing Rebekah Jones. What they're doing to her is, regardless of legal technicality, problematic, and if you're not able to see that because of your feelings about COVID coverage, you're in some trouble.
- salmon30salmon 6y ago
  And likewise, you inability to see her as anything but a martyr against an oppressive system is informed by your tightly held belief that the government is for some reason downplaying Covid. Oh is that not the case? Then don't attribute some armchair psychology to my motives. I in no way think I've "discovered" something underreported. I know full well that millions of people, from credentialed scientists to dumbfuck hillbillies see the same things I rail against. I've been accused of disregarding human life for my views on Covid response. Which is funny as Covid has touched my family in painful ways. Humans are complex beings, more so than your coined phrase captures. But I still love you! I hope someday we all can have a calm, reasonable discussion about epidemics. Because this will happen again, so we need to study our response here as much as possible

Geminidog 6y ago

Just because someone is interested in a topic doesn't mean they're connected to the topic.