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Review broken products instead of new ones
- hubraumhugo 6y agoFor most people, the majority of positive reviews are noise on any product and they evaluate them by reading negative reviews. For once, let's turn it all upside down: We should build a collection about how things break - review broken and worn-out products to teach how to identify cheap products (where are the stress points, what manufacturing techniques exist to alleviate those). Then compare those with used products well past their warranty period that hasn't broken, and look at why they haven't. PS: I'm the creator of the community-driven Buy For Life platform. Let's overcome cheap products and keep corportaions accountable.
- jamestimmins 6y agoThis makes a lot of sense. Very cool project. Also, I noticed that the cost/month math seems off here https://www.buyforlife.com/products/10/kitchenaid-refrigerator https://www.buyforlife.com/products/10/kitchenaid-refrigerat.... For a 2 year warranty, looks like it calculates it as Total Price / 24 / 12, rather than Total Price/12.
- Answerawake 6y agoInteresting idea but is your site curated for some items or just 100% autogenerated/crowd sourced? For example, you have listed the Thinkpad X220 which is a 10 year old laptop. Furthermore I also noticed the Magic mouse and is that really considered buy it for life(in terms of repairable)? Speaking as someone who has purchased and accidentally destroyed multiple Magic Keyboards by liquid spills, I love their products but would never consider them "buy it for life" from a repair perspective.
- 1-6 6y agoThe Thinkpad line was acquired by Lenovo from IBM in 2005. They've done a good job in maintaining the quality of the product line but some products with the 'Thinkpad' branding is absolute crap. Technology products are hard to rank for build quality in my opinion. When Lenovo again made an acquisition of Motorola Mobility in 2014, I thought they'd do a good job of maintaining Motorola phones just like Thinkpad. At first, you had almost a close to Vanilla version of Android with regular updates but since 2019+ they stopped maintaining Android Security updates and releasing whole Android versions on some of their bottom-tier phones. Things change quickly in the technology department so BIFL ranks are difficult.
- throwawayboise 6y agoMaybe I'm taking ths site name too literally, but I would think that computers, along with most electronics, are just one of those things that would never be a "buy it for life" purchase. I actually do have a Casio calculator from High School (30+ years ago) that I still use, but no other computing devices that are more than 10 years old. Even if they still work, there just isn't much practical you can do with them.
- adrianN 6y agoMy Mid-2009 Macbook Pro is still good enough for most things.
- buster 6y agoMy current private laptop ist 7 years old and still running fine. It's some dell laptop and I suppose it will fall apart at some point but so far I don't see why I would replace it. I wouldn't mind it lasting another 10 years. Same for mice. I'd certainly use a mouse for 10+ years if it's good enough. I've invested in a quite expensive ergonomic, mechanical keyboard and I have a very old mechanical cherry keyboard at work and I do expect them to last forever. If you don't need the latest sh*t (touch bars and what not) you'll probably be fine with current characteristics of laptops for quite a few years.
- stjohnswarts 6y agoI use a mechanical keyboard at home, but I won't use it at work as it would drive my fellow cube farm dwellers nuts. Is your keyboard a silent click one?
- buster 6y agoCherry MX Brown... it's not that they are silent but nobody complained, yet. Never even heard a comment about it, really.
- ktpsns 6y agoI find it meaningful that all items (currently) displayed at https://www.buyforlife.com/ https://www.buyforlife.com/ are typical outdoor use, high-quality, representative for a certain kind of living. This kind of living has pros and cons, but I guess not everybody wants to live like that. For instance, some people would prefer to have some shitty but portable kitchenware instead of expensive, bulky and representative "professional" units. This is a bit of "urban" lifestyle against "suburbia" lifestyle, or "downshifter" lifestyle, or "countryside" lifestyle. For instance, I am a bit aware of the "zero waste" community. These people would probably buy a single macbook (because it is stylish and looks as if you had taste, not neccessarily because it is high quality), but no kitchen device at all, because such devices express the "wrong" style of life. Similar arguments could probably be made about some certain kind of hacker culture. People buying hoodies and thinkpads because it is "in vogue". This is probably the main reason why just another review page won't take off: The products are not "in vogue". Just my two cents. Very emotional, not objective at all.
- IgorPartola 6y agoYou pinpointed what I’ve been feeling. There are things I want to buy for life. Things like (most) tools, camping equipment, or things I don’t expect to improve over time. But there is a large number of products that I don’t plan to hold onto because they are imperfect either because state of the art hasn’t advanced enough or because I can’t afford the better version yet. For example: Boots. I can afford the boots I can afford today and I like them. But I am sure that 10 years from now I’ll be able to afford better ones. Coffee mugs. I currently sport a Yeti that will likely last me at least 50 years. But I also expect that better coffee mugs will come. Smart watch and mobile phone and laptop. No matter what, Moore’s law will catch up with you. And developers dislike worrying about running software on old hardware. Clothing. Yes I know, but I do to an extent care about how I look and showing up somewhere in pleated pants and a plaid suit today because you bought it 30 years ago and it’s still holding up isn’t something I can pull off. Vehicles. Yes, even your Tesla will become obsolete. There will be one that will be a no brainer upgrade. This isn’t to say that I want to buy junk. But a $6 T shirt lasts me about two years and a $60 T shirt will need to last me more than 20 to make it worth it. In the mean time my body might change, my tastes might change, and styles might change. Timeless styles are a thing but when you spill red wine on it and can’t get the stain out four years in, who is your next move? Also emotional and not objective, FWIW.
- easyas101110110 6y agoIt's where the bodies are buried by people who actually use products, not the usual glowing, happy-clappy nonsense of new customers or fake reviews.
- wojciii 6y agoWill I own the review after I create it? Will it be shared by the community? I don't trust your company .. or any single company. This task should be done a Wikipedia kind of company and the data should be available for anyone for free or a small fee.
- hubraumhugo 6y agoYes you will own the review after you created it. Trustworthiness is the main asset of this page. I'm even thinking about creating a non-profit org for it.
- eigenvector 6y agoHi there, I checked out your website. It's a cool idea and one that is needed. What do you think of the fact that many of the products are in fact disposable by backed by a "lifetime" warranty precisely because they're so highly marked up that the manufacturer can give you a new one for free instead of attempting even trivial repairs? Osprey is the king of this. This seems to be the opposite of the buy for life mentality - things should be repaired if economical, but no one repairs what they can get replaced for free.
- rusk 6y agoDepends what they’re doing with the old ones ...
- hubraumhugo 6y agoVery interesting point that I haven't thought of. How could we solve this? I guess after a lot of reviews/comments and some downvotes, it would become clear that Osprey doesn't provide a proper reapir service and is in fact, a wasteful company.
- scyzoryk_xyz 6y agoThis is exactly the kind of initiative I've been looking for and thought about lately! Thanks so much! I especially like the idea of rating products by their monthly/daily cost. I imagine this growing in a direction where the manufacturers and producers have added initiative to produce durable products again. Of course for real change to occur governments, regulation, large scale action would have to happen. One vector which would be interesting to see this with is bigger and maybe even less consumer centric products. How durable is a delivery van? How durable and cost effective is a factory machine?
- stjohnswarts 6y agoI can't speak for the rest but factory "machines" are built to last in most cases and have long warranties and easily swappable components. Most of what's there can be machined in a pinch. I went to a glass factory one that had some machines that were 70+ years old. When something broke, which was pretty rare, they simply machined a new one. On a tangential note I expect my Lodge cast iron cooking set to last at least one lifetime :D
- everdrive 6y agoI worry in the long term that this becomes immeasurable for some products. I have a leather belt that's at least 15 years old. I would bet the product, and perhaps the company, does not exist any longer.
- seanhunter 6y agoExcited about this. I love certain things because they simply last forever and do what they are supposed to. For example about 18 years ago I bought 2 HP12c calculators when I started working in finance (One for work, one for home). Not only have they not broken, but I can't tell you the battery life because they are both still on their original batteries. Now old hands tell me the new modern 12cs (like mine) aren't a patch on the original and the old ones from the 80s had even better battery life than that.
- bluemandontcry 6y agoWhy dont they do it? I havent seen anywhere themdoing it in fact from their website "Free, hand curated updates on new products for people who think quality and sustainability matters."
- easyas101110110 6y agoLawsuits from manufacturers seems like how this would die.
- sarakayakomzin 6y agobest of luck to the lawyers who take the case up of suing someone for their opinion.
- Animats 6y agoNo prob! Read the terms of service. If they get sued, you, who posted, have to pay. That's what "indemnification" means.
- easyas101110110 6y agoI know what it means, but it depends on section 230 staying alive. I meant manufacturers suing users like restaurants suing yelpers. With such chilling effects, no one would want to use it.
- dredmorbius 6y agoJS;DR: https://archive.is/JrLEh https://archive.is/JrLEh
- 8bitsrule 6y agoThe idea has some attractive features. This implementation (by whom? affiliated with whom?) would have to be around for quite a while and visible without a log-in before I'd bother. Especially considering all the filters I had to forego to even see it.
- throwawayboise 6y agoI'd like some more details on how they are going to prevent the bogus, gamed product reviews that predominate on any other review site. Amazon hasn't cracked that nut (not that they have much to gain by doing so).
- pavel_lishin 6y agoThis is a good idea, but a lot of products are only sold for a few years before being discontinued; reading a review for a printer that's no longer sold (except secondhand) is unfortunately not very useful.
- 1-6 6y agoYou're right but if a company can convince consumers that they've done it once, they're surely able to do it again. Unfortunately, technology changes too quickly for that to work in many cases.
- MichaelApproved 6y agoI’ve also seen companies with quality brands milk it for all it’s worth. Newer products get made with 1/4 the quality while trading on the reputation they built with their previous higher quality products. Craftsman was a good example of this. They use to have high quality tools with lifetime warranties. Now, that warranty is gone and they don’t seem much different than any other low end manufacturer. Anyone have other examples?
- 1-6 6y agoYup, the Made in USA Craftsman has long been gone since it's been sold to China. MAC and Snap-on still maintain their quality but I don't run an auto repair shop to justify my purchase. I try to look for the Made in Taiwan Craftsman tools as a compromise or pay extra to buy German steel. I like the concept of Buy it for Life but sometimes you just need something once (like a Harbor Freight tool).
- throwawayboise 6y agoThe Harbor Freight hand tools I've bought are really pretty decent. Wrenches, sockets, screwdrivers. I'm not a pro mechanic but I do a lot of my own auto maintenance. HF hand tools are least as good as current Craftsman, probably better IMO.
- lrossi 6y agoAnother thing that I am doing is to look at the distribution of reviews. This tells me about how likely it is to get a defective product out of the factory, or a product that is likely to break shortly after. I then compare different brands that have identical specs.
- Jedd 6y agoThis aligns with the question I ask colleagues and friends when they buy a product that is either the same, or similar to, a product I'm looking to buy soon -- what do you not like about it. As noted elsewhere, there's usually an abundance of exuberant marketing material about what's to like with a product, but the oft' intentional gaps there are typically only recognised post-purchase by real world users/customers with no agenda.
- jonah 6y agoSpeaking of useful reviews, I'm a fan of AvE's BOLTRs[1]. Takes tools apart and analyses materials, construction, and estimated failure points. (Beware some NSFW language though.) https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvgS71fU12Mbx-w18Chu_Sg9v6loipEFO https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvgS71fU12Mbx-w18Chu_... [1] - Arduino vs. Evil - Bored of Lame Tool Reviews
- MichaelApproved 6y agoI really enjoyed AvE channel at first. I’d definitely recommend it to anyone interested in equipment tear downs. He uses his own colorful language to describe things. If it’s not appealing to you (I eventually grew tired of it) I’d still suggest you look past it and watch a few dozen of his videos anyway. Lots of good insight on the manufacturing industry/process that I haven’t seen anywhere else.
- jonah 6y agoPicture a Canadian who's spent his career doing technical (equipment repair) work in mining and other heavy industry. He has a pretty deep knowledge of many things though.
- ryandrake 6y agoHe did a great and hilarious teardown of that failed Juicero product that came out a year or so ago [1], noting how ridiculously overengineered and expensive it is to produce. 1: https://youtu.be/_Cp-BGQfpHQ https://youtu.be/_Cp-BGQfpHQ
- theshrike79 6y agoThe Juicero the physical embodiment of Ego and CV-driven development. People wanted to make the coolest shit possible, using the coolest tools, with no regard to cost or practicality. People do the same thing in software, but it's not as readily visible as with physical products.
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- jonnycomputer 6y agoThese very helpful types of reviews won't be that helpful if by the time you get a review, the product has already been pulled from the market ...
- t-writescode 6y agoIt could be useful in understanding a brand, as long as the brand hasn't majorly changed their behaviors and the ingredients they use for their products
- hubraumhugo 6y agoAs mentioned above: Product revisions are indeed a challenge. I plan to add a way to say "this was an older version, but here is the current model, which has still the same level of quality".
- gwbas1c 6y agoI hope someday stores like Amazon will rate based on expected lifespan. I just had a receiver die. It was 8.5 years old, not really outdated... But those kinds of things should last a lot longer!
- jfim 6y ago> I just had a receiver die. It was 8.5 years old, not really outdated... But those kinds of things should last a lot longer! If it's just a capacitor that failed, it might be repairable for a few dollars. Electrolytic capacitors unfortunately have a finite lifetime, which gets worse with higher temperatures.
- ryandrake 6y agoI’ve done this a few times, and kept my receiver running long after the first “pop”. Sometimes we are talking like less than $5 worth of capacitors from Digi-Key too. If you can solder you can replace them.
- gwbas1c 6y agoI honestly have no desire to fix it. (I also was ready for Dolby Atmos and EArc... Things that most people don't care about.) Do you think it's worth selling the broken receiver on eBay with no reserve?
- abainbridge 6y agoI wish Amazon would implement filter-by-warranty-length.
- Reedx 6y agoThink Amazon will adopt an approach like this? Why or why not?
- GekkePrutser 6y agoNo. Because they want to sell much and often.
- pimlottc 6y agoNah. Amazon doesn't really care what you buy, as long as you buy something (from them). See also: Netflix
- vvillena 6y agoNo, because their incentive goes the other way around: they want users to buy lots of things. Reviews will eventually have to rely on non-store, external sites.
- axaxs 6y agoThis doesn't make sense to me as it has the opposite effect. If I want to buy an item, I'm pretty dead set on buying it. Now it's just to figure out which company's to buy. If I can't rely on reviews and get a terrible unit, I will return it and no longer trust Amazon for that item and turn elsewhere. Ultimately, Amazon lost some money, I lost some time, and Amazon lost the sale.
- ed25519FUUU 6y agoSpeaking of repairing, learning a little bit about electronics and soldering has greatly improved my ability to fix various electronics. Usually it’s something small like a bad cap or mosfet. I really believe they should teach basic electronic repair in school. A tiny bit goes a long way.
- throwawayboise 6y agoI had a unit on electronics as part of my HS physics courses. Can't recall if it was first year or second year.
- ryandrake 6y agoYouTube is great for this. Search for: [model number] fix DIY. Your failure is probably the most common failure listed on YouTube. Confirm the diagnosis, order the $5-$20 worth of parts and start soldering!
- dagw 6y agoI really believe they should teach basic electronic repair in school. A tiny bit goes a long way. Yea, learning some basic electronics and how solder in school (England, early-mid 90s) was one of the most useful skills they taught me.
- JohnJamesRambo 6y agoI’ve never hit subscribe faster on a pop up. You’ve nailed my interests.
- Animats 6y agoThis would be a better idea if the site it promotes didn't have overreaching terms of service. If they get sued for defamation, you, who posted a review, have to pay their costs.[1] Despite the site being run from Zurich, the terms have the line "In any circumstances where the foregoing Arbitration Agreement permits the parties to litigate in court, the parties hereby agree to submit to the personal jurisdiction of the courts located within Netherlands County, California, for such purposes." There is no Netherlands County, California. [1] https://www.buyforlife.com/terms-of-use https://www.buyforlife.com/terms-of-use
- fakedang 6y agoNice snooping around! Tbh, those are really big red flags, that I wonder if it's even possible to trust the rest of the article. Edit:- Seems that Netherlands County, California was on some template T&C that a lot of small firms just copied.
- Animats 6y agoErrors like that can backfire. The American Arbitration Association now requires that a company putting an AAA consumer arbitration clause in a contract must first get approval from the AAA, and pay a $500 fee. See rule R-12 in [1]. The AAA made this rule specifically to stop companies from using bad arbitration clauses in boilerplate contracts. There's a database of companies which have registered.[2] BuyForLife isn't listed. The AAA's reviewers would probably have caught the bogus terms and rejected the clause. A company that didn't register can usually use AAA services after registering late, but there are extra fees they have to pay before they can proceed. So the arbitration clause is probably invalid. That throws any dispute into court. Which court? Specifying "Netherland, California" as a venue would invalidate the choice of venue clause. So the default rules on venue apply. Consumers can generally sue where the consumer is. So, any site using that boilerplate probably can be sued in small claims court. Actually, the AAA lets you do that even if consumer arbitration is specified. See rule R-9 in [1]. Consumers usually do better in small claims court than in arbitration. Especially since the company has to send someone, or they lose. Bad contract drafting of one-sided contracts is a great way to create a legal mess for yourself. [1] https://www.adr.org/sites/default/files/Consumer_Rules_Web_0.pdf https://www.adr.org/sites/default/files/Consumer_Rules_Web_0... [2] https://apps.adr.org/ClauseRegistryUI/faces/org/adr/extapps/clauseregistry/view/pages/clauseRegistry.jsf https://apps.adr.org/ClauseRegistryUI/faces/org/adr/extapps/...
- CoolGuySteve 6y agoI recently had to replace a Bosch washer because the crappy plastic pump was too annoying/messy to replace. I wish Consumer Reports or someone would do teardowns each year of their recommended washers/dryers/dishwashers/etc to look for shitty but critical moving parts and rate them appropriately. Finding anything about how these items will fail is an exercise in frustration since model numbers are frequently shuffled around year to year for minor/non-existant feature "upgrades". I actually don't care all that much about how great a washer or whatever is at cleaning so much as I care that I never have to think about servicing/replacing it.
- MrStonedOne 6y agoOne of my favorite youtubers does this with power tools and other garage-that-doesn't-hold-cars appliances. (Arduino V Evil/AvE) Takes things apart and critics the design, goes over some of the tradeoffs that might have gone into designing the thing, and tries to figure out what the failure modes are likely to be. I wonder if anybody in the circle of youtubers around him does the same for appliances.
- theshrike79 6y ago> I wish Consumer Reports or someone would do teardowns ...so iFixit, but for appliances? I'd pay money for that.
- mlonkibjuyhv 6y agoSo I recently went review-shopping for kitchen-aid style mixer appliance. One of the highest rated products contained a paragraph similar to: "Makes cracking noises when running under high load, 9/10". That thing was literally 10 minutes away from being a letterweight, but still highly rated...
- melomal 6y agoI heard from somewhere that you can't listen to a review by someone without at least first knowing them. Which is a valid point when you consider the review that was left for 9/10. Cracks and noises are OK for some but a huge issue for others - that review you mentioned literally appeals to both sides which is crazy.
- mlonkibjuyhv 6y agoThose noises meant the product was stripping gears during the first day of use while performing it's intended task.
- melomal 6y agoExactly, but some people will pass it off as nothing major. But others will lose their mind, phone customer service and demand the manager because there wasn't enough sticky tape on the packaging as well as the grinding gears, even a whiff of a lawsuit will get thrown out there no doubt. It's completely dependent on the individual and their ability to determine what is wrong, what is right and what their experience is to be able to determine that their opinion is in line with what you would expect. Remember that dress? Was it blue or gold? Same difference.
- truculent 6y agoSimilarly for safety gear, like bicycle helmets, I care very little about the aesthetics compared to how it actually fares in an accident. However, very few people will be in this situation, so it is almost impossible to find these most important reviews.
- 2rsf 6y agoThis is somewhat the same as WW2 Abraham Wald's work about adding armor to planes [1]- when looking for volunrable airplane parts you should look into planes that didn't come back instead of those that did. [1] https://medium.com/@penguinpress/an-excerpt-from-how-not-to-be-wrong-by-jordan-ellenberg-664e708cfc3d https://medium.com/@penguinpress/an-excerpt-from-how-not-to-...
- jeofken 6y agoWhat a great idea for getting people to use your Amazon referral code! Very creative, value adding, and well executed. Will use!
- imtringued 6y agoThe fundamental problem with easy repairability is that you need to maintain availability of replacement parts. How can you expect that a given piece of equipment is repairable if you cannot get a replacement PCB? Manufacturing the old electronics is often not possible because regulations change. When leaded solder was banned, some old PCB designs were unaffected, others had to be redone. Components may no longer be available. So if you had to do a repair job it is entirely possible that a replacement PCB has to be designed from scratch. Doing this for every model is not possible so there would have to be a standard PCB used by all models. Considering the high degree of integration in many products, that is a pipe dream. The only real solution is longer warranties to keep the manufacturer accountable.
- bmn__ 6y ago> The only real solution is longer warranties > maintain availability of replacement parts That sounds like requirements for military use. On a civilian level, there are certainly other, less hard-nosed possibilities. Legislature could mandate the following instead: • The manufacturer is forbidden to prevent a supplier from offering replacement parts on the free market. • The manufacturer is forbidden from coercing a supplier to slightly modify a standard part just to make it incompatible and thus cripple third-party repair. • The manufacturer must supply a repair manual with component data sheets and schematics so that a suitable replacement part can be produced by third parties. Thus we return to the standard of repairability we enjoyed in the previous century. These ideas are free to implement or certainly magnitudes less expensive than keeping stock of replacement parts which takes the wind out of the sails of opposition to these changes in ordinance or law.
- wegs 6y agoI don't feel too bad about replacement parts being obsoleted for good reason (e.g. leaded solder or similar changes). My car/vacuum/desk/etc. might get hit by a meteor, or fall down the stairs, or otherwise be totaled. Life is full of risks. What I care about is good intent and reasonable measures to support me for the lifetime of the product. In most cases, I can't get replacement parts because manufacturers discontinue them after a few years as a business choice, not because they have to. Most manufacturers rotate product models every year, and I presume it's expensive and not good business to stock parts for models from a decade ago. That's what I want to avoid. I'd like a manufacturer that will continue supporting me as long as reasonable. What I do now is I look at manufacturer's web pages, and see the oldest products they still support. It's pathetically short. My last vacuum lasted 15 years before replacement parts ceased to exist. I've been looking at upscale Dyson vacuums, and the oldest ones with replacement parts are a decade old from date-of-introduction (less from date-of-purchase, of course). For a $800 vacuum, that means you're looking at an annualized cost of $80-$160 before you're dumped on the curb. Of course, there are companies which simply don't offer replacement parts. If a roller or belt fails, the vacuum is disposable. The TCO seems similar, since those don't run $800, though, and a $150 vacuum will probably last a couple of years before something breaks. What I'd really like is a web site which compiles this sort of information.
- wruza 6y ago>Let me know what you think Sometimes a thing is not broken, but it makes you uncomfortable and you only notice that later. Like one of my washing machines that beeped a couple of minutes before it unlocked its door. If this will fly, please allow to add such details into reviews, e.g. “not broken, but I hate it” status.
- throwaway_6142 6y agoWhat make and model? I find it genius: "ah, there's the beep, time to finish my coffee before I go put the clothes in the dryer"
- TacticalTable 6y agoAppliances have terrible design so often that I wonder if its intentional somehow. My parents bought brand new Jenn-Air appliances a few years ago, and the awful LCD menu takes like ≥5 taps (on a bad resistive touchscreen) to do anything, including start the microwave. Their 1994 midrange GE microwave/oven was more usable than luxury appliances from 2015
- CraigJPerry 6y agoSpending more for a “last a lifetime” product is super frustrating if you ever misplace that item. In 2019 I bought a second hand thinkpad x260 for £200 as a durable travel laptop. It’s almost perfect, the battery life is great, i wish i could fix the two problems with it: 1. It overheats far too easily. I don’t need all the speed of the processor so undervolting would be a good fix but doesn’t appear possible in this bios. Making a custom cooling solution that doesn’t compromise travel-ability is beyond my skillset. 2. The screen is too low resolution, too low brightness and too restrictive on viewing angles. I’d love to be able to swap a better panel in.
- indiandennis 6y agoNot sure if it's possible on Linux, but you should be able to undervolt from within the OS on windows at least. Intel has an extreme tuning utility or you could use throttlestop. Works well on my xps 15.
- tleb_ 6y agoAbout the screen, swap is doable, easy and it's worth it. I changed the TN 720p on my X260 to an IPS 1080p.
- dusted 6y agoI think this is an excellent idea. This does need to take amounts owned/used/sold into account, since some products sell in larger amounts and must thus have more reports of being broken. I often hear mechanics say "car X is terrible! we get those all the time!" and yeah, car X is the most sold car some years ago, duh.
- galfarragem 6y agoUnfortunately "Buy it for life" is not an achievable slogan. Buy it for life products are low-tech products that survived, somehow, time. Often, their original producers didn't and we can only buy them in used condition. They are slightly obsolete and not everybody is fullfilled with them. E.g. An old Toyota. Then there are "Buy it for life" products with a (more or less) guaranteed long lifespan but were not time tested yet. E.g. New gear built using best practices and materials. Then there are good products. Stuff with a (more or less) guaranteed long lifespan but one day will become obsolete. E.g. Apple product, good shoes, etc.
- contingencies 6y agoI can get another if I break it, so a clay cup trumps a grail. - Mirza Asadullah Khan Ghalib, classical Urdu and Persian poet from the Mughal Empire .. via https://github.com/globalcitizen/taoup https://github.com/globalcitizen/taoup ... point being, sometimes expiring products are superior, it depends upon the use case.