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Challenging the validity of an election is not a "coup". We need these challenges to keep our elections secure. I cheered Hillary for telling Biden not to conce

Challenging the validity of an election is not a "coup". We need these challenges to keep our elections secure. I cheered Hillary for telling Biden not to concede under any circumstances. The left-biased media was worried about election fraud for months before the election (good!) and are now declaring it the "most secure election in American history" in spite of the broad introduction of mail-in voting. People living in democracies should scrutinize the hell out of their elections. https://spectator.us/reasons-why-the-2020-presidential-election-is-deeply-puzzling/ https://spectator.us/reasons-why-the-2020-presidential-elect... https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/23/5-more-ways-joe-biden-magically-outperformed-election-norms/ https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/23/5-more-ways-joe-biden-m...

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
Election challenges are fine! If Trump concedes on Monday after the Electoral College vote, I'll happily admit that I was wrong about this issue and I let my paranoia get the better of me. I think he's made it clear that he will not do that, and election fraud challenges are just the easiest strategy currently available to pursue his objective of staying in power.
- tetrometal 6y ago
  I think I mostly agree with your first statement. I have a different take on the legal proceedings (there's still the vote count, at which point congress can make challenges, etc.) But certainly there are limits to how far the challenge can go. I'll be right there LOLing with you if he needs to be bodily removed from the WH. I disagree that he's given any indication that he'd go that far, though. Once his options are exhausted, he'll leave.
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    I'm wholeheartedly glad to hear this. Thanks.
naiveai 6y ago
They challenged the validity of the election, and they failed. Yet they continue to insist on fighting a losing battle and possibly refusing to leave the White House. That's called a coup attempt. A pathetic one, sure. But a coup attempt nonetheless.
- tetrometal 6y ago
  No, they are challenging the validity of the election and have so far failed. This is an ongoing process. You don't get to declare it a one-and-done just because you don't like that it's happening.
  - anigbrowl 6y ago
    To quote Justice robert Jackson on the nature of the Supreme Court, "We are not final because we are infallible, but we are infallible only because we are final." I agree with you int hat I think people should have a chance to deploy their arguments but you need to bear in mind that there are a lot of people who are willing and able to resort to force in place of argument.
  - netsharc 6y ago
    But the challengers have not proven themselves to be honest/trustworthy players so far. They go on camera and claim to have seen "massive fraud" but so far have presented no compelling evidence to the courts, just rambling confused arguments that judges have thrown out...
    - tetrometal 6y ago
      There are many cases being presented in the courts, by many plaintiffs. I'd be surprised if there weren't some frivolous ones in there. That doesn't mean they all are, and we can't know until they are presented. If your argument is simply "No good case has been made yet, therefore no good case can be made," well, I don't think anyone with sound reasoning skills will agree with that.
      - 6y ago

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

Election challenges are fine! If Trump concedes on Monday after the Electoral College vote, I'll happily admit that I was wrong about this issue and I let my paranoia get the better of me. I think he's made it clear that he will not do that, and election fraud challenges are just the easiest strategy currently available to pursue his objective of staying in power.

tetrometal 6y ago
I think I mostly agree with your first statement. I have a different take on the legal proceedings (there's still the vote count, at which point congress can make challenges, etc.) But certainly there are limits to how far the challenge can go. I'll be right there LOLing with you if he needs to be bodily removed from the WH. I disagree that he's given any indication that he'd go that far, though. Once his options are exhausted, he'll leave.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  I'm wholeheartedly glad to hear this. Thanks.

naiveai 6y ago

They challenged the validity of the election, and they failed. Yet they continue to insist on fighting a losing battle and possibly refusing to leave the White House. That's called a coup attempt. A pathetic one, sure. But a coup attempt nonetheless.

tetrometal 6y ago
No, they are challenging the validity of the election and have so far failed. This is an ongoing process. You don't get to declare it a one-and-done just because you don't like that it's happening.
- anigbrowl 6y ago
  To quote Justice robert Jackson on the nature of the Supreme Court, "We are not final because we are infallible, but we are infallible only because we are final." I agree with you int hat I think people should have a chance to deploy their arguments but you need to bear in mind that there are a lot of people who are willing and able to resort to force in place of argument.
- netsharc 6y ago
  But the challengers have not proven themselves to be honest/trustworthy players so far. They go on camera and claim to have seen "massive fraud" but so far have presented no compelling evidence to the courts, just rambling confused arguments that judges have thrown out...
  - tetrometal 6y ago
    There are many cases being presented in the courts, by many plaintiffs. I'd be surprised if there weren't some frivolous ones in there. That doesn't mean they all are, and we can't know until they are presented. If your argument is simply "No good case has been made yet, therefore no good case can be made," well, I don't think anyone with sound reasoning skills will agree with that.
    - 6y ago