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Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?
Assumption: it is available to everyone at the same time. No wait lines.
(Edited to add Assumption)
- amyjess 6y agoWell, I was completely unaware that HN supported polls. This is a pleasant surprise.
- dang 6y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25097578 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25097578 (which led to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25097685 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25097685) Evidence that no one reads the FAQ! https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html
- amyjess 6y agoThank you!
- 1996 6y agoAre their guidelines on what should and what shouldn't be made into a poll question?
- dayjah 6y agoMy assumption is that it follows general post guidelines: -- What to Submit On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.
- jraph 6y ago> If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic What would be the catastrophic consequences of this guideline if HN started a TV channel with news that would "gratifies one's intellectual curiosity"?
- MaxBarraclough 6y ago> Evidence that no one reads the FAQ! Turns out you could confirm this suspicion with a poll.
- arthurcolle 6y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25393758 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25393758
- freedomben 6y agoHa! Although I have read the FAQ numerous times, but I don't regularly check it. Maybe it needs an RSS feed :-P
- dumbfounder 6y agoTo guarantee no one reads it?
- dang 6y agoI thought the bit about polls had been there forever. Someone could check that via archive.org - but you have to use the older URL which was probably http://www.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html http://www.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html.
- moonchild 6y agoIt's been there at least since 2008 - https://web.archive.org/web/20080518203408/http://ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://web.archive.org/web/20080518203408/http://ycombinato...
- choward 6y agoWhy would I read the FAQ if I don't have any questions?
- iso947 6y agoFor questions you don’t know you have. I read the iperf man page earlier for laughs, discovered the -B option which I’d forgotten existed.
- choward 6y agoManuals make sense to read to learn something. I'm not going to seek out an FAQ unless I have a question. I guess I don't like FAQs in general. They're usually not really FAQs, but more of disorganized manual.
- aerovistae 6y agoSeems like a discoverability issue.
- Eduard 6y agoEvidence that there is room for improvement in HN's user interface.
- criddell 6y agoAnd I did it wrong. I thought you had to enter 1,2, or 3 in the text box... After seeing my comment that just had '1' in it, I figured it out.
- JosephRedfern 6y agoFor science: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25392036 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25392036
- purple-again 6y agoI pulled down a copy of HN earlier in the year for analysis and was shocked to find polls among the data. It was a very small % of the total content, small enough I assumed it was an old feature that got removed.
- Plestor 6y agoWow... if I had made that statement, I would have been immediately down-voted and my comment removed for not "following the rules". And then I wonder why certain 'mods' or overzealous persons have it in for me...
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- thisjeremiah 6y agoTIL u can do surveys on HN
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- airstrike 6y agoThe how is left as an exercise to the reader^W hacker
- briefcomment 6y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/newpoll https://news.ycombinator.com/newpoll
- dave_4_bagels 6y ago<<3>> However, this will likely be taken care of for me, because I'm 1) not an essential healthcare worker, 2) not a senior citizen and 3) live in a large urban area. Those people will get the vaccine first, and in mid-june (or later) based on the fallout of the vaccine if things seem normal I'll get it.
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- atlasunshrugged 6y agoThat said, something like ~50% of Americans said they won't get the vaccine (we'll see what really happens when folks' doctors say it's ready and they should get it) so maybe nonessential non-senior citizens might be able to get it faster than expected
- atlasunshrugged 6y agoApologies, there's a new Pew survey out a week or so ago that says intent to get the vaccine has risen https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2020/12/03/intent-to-get-a-covid-19-vaccine-rises-to-60-as-confidence-in-research-and-development-process-increases/ https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2020/12/03/intent-to-get...
- Trasmatta 6y agoYeah, I would assume the majority of the people answering 3 would probably be required to wait anyway. I'm 31 but Type 1 diabetic so I'll be interested to see how early I can get it. The main risk factor for COVID seems to be Type 2, but with how much Type 1 can ruin just about every aspect of your health, I wonder if I'll be able to get in line sooner. If I can, I will.
- ska 6y agoIn the best case, supply constraints nicely follow the change in risk/reward this way. Then by the time you are eligible, the risk profile looks right...
- ageitgey 6y agoI was a vaccine trial participant and got injected 6 months ago. I'm still alive. AMA.
- pcora 6y agoAre you a zombie?
- pedro2 6y agoPfizer? Side-effects?
- ageitgey 6y agoOxford. Side effects were just a day of feeling half-crummy. Not a big deal.
- tibbydudeza 6y agoWell that is way better than a week and half in bed feeling like death warmed over.
- adrr 6y agoCurious do you feel crummy after other vaccinations like Flu, MMR, etc? Or was this the first time with those symptoms from a vaccine?
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- melling 6y agoWe’re about to get 10 million data points. To me it doesn’t look like they have a lot of data yet. Don’t these studies typically need to go for much longer? The Pfizer study: 43,448 patients ages 16 and up. 19,000 vaccinated patients 170 people caught the Coronavirus Of the sick people: - 162 received a placebo - 8 received the vaccine
- Kliment 6y agoThey typically need to go for much longer for two reasons: 1. You normally don't expose so many people to an untested medicine, so trials tend to be smaller than this. In this case there was no shortage of volunteers, and the larger the trial the faster it can reach a certain level of confidence in a result. 2. Normally, with vaccines, you need to wait a very long time for enough people to contract the disease and measure how effective it actually is. In this case, there are so many people infected in the general population, that reaching the required number of participants infected happened much faster than usual. In fact, when the trial was planned in the spring, it was expected that it wouldn't reach its required 164 infected participants until sometime in late summer 2021. The reason this happened so quick is that the number of infections in the general population exploded, and so the required data was available much earlier.
- melling 6y agoThey want the long-term study to continue, without giving those with a placebo the vaccine. What are the next steps and goals?
- Kliment 6y agoThere is actually a plan to gradually offer all placebo group patients the vaccine. This will be done in small groups at a time, in order to not inform all remaining participants which group they are in. The plan is to have all placebo group participants be offered a vaccine before the end of the trial. This doesn't break the trial, because there is already a good confidence level for the efficacy results, and the side effects investigation can always use additional participants. This also enables in-patient control, where you can compare the placebo condition and the treatment condition within the same patient.
- just-juan-post 6y agoFYI this just came out today: White House chief of staff told FDA chief vaccine must be authorized Friday or he needs to resign https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/11/politics/white-house-fda-chief-approve-covid-vaccine-resign/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/11/politics/white-house-fda-chie...
- pedro2 6y agoBeware multiple options are possible
- bognition 6y agoI'm surprised to see such a high percentage of "NO" responses. I'm genuinely curious to understand why
- kortilla 6y agoReasons I’ve heard: - The rushed nature of the vaccines. “Fastest approved vaccine” is not re-assuring if you don’t understand what trade was made for that accelerated timeline. - “I’ll just stay isolated until it dies off” - “I don’t trust western medicine” - “I don’t trust the FDA or big pharma” - “I don’t care if I get covid . People at risk can take the vaccine” Don’t forget how many people don’t even take the flu shot.
- nicoburns 6y ago> Don’t forget how many people don’t even take the flu shot. That's a funny comparison from a UK perspective where the flu shot isn't even offered to the general population (only the elderly, vulnerable or those whose work in healthcare or similar). I'd say there is much more reason to take the COVID vaccine than the flu shot.
- outoftheabyss 6y agoAre you sure about that? I know you can easily get it in a local chemist for about a tenner, I’m nearly sure you can book it with your GP if you’re willing to wait a bit longer
- Dayshine 6y agoWhat are you talking about? Most companies offer the flu jab to their employees for free, and otherwise it's like a tenner to save yourself the risk of 2/3 days of feeling horrible.
- csa 6y agoFwiw, every time I have taken a flu shot, it has guaranteed 2/3 days of feeling horrible. That said, I don’t get the flu every year (iirc, I’ve had it twice in the past 20 years).
- justinzollars 6y agoI have a peanut allergy so I will likely wait based on the allergic reaction news.
- disposekinetics 6y agoI was onboard being first in line until the allergy reaction news. I have a severe allergy so I think that means I'm waiting as well.
- tootie 6y agoThat's only the AZ/Oxford vaccine right? Pfizer hasn't issued a warning.
- frakkingcylons 6y agoOther way around, it's the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine.
- sergiomattei 6y agoOpposite: the Pfizer vaccine has allergy warnings.
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- neolog 6y ago"No" people, why not?
- kylebenzle 6y agoI've had Covid-19. As far as I know we still don't know if having it leads to immunity but wouldn't having it and recovering be "better" than a vaccine? If so, why get a vaccine for something you are immune to?
- neolog 6y agoIf you don't know whether you're immune but do know that the vaccine works on most people, the vaccine seems a good bet.
- kylebenzle 6y agoAgain, has there EVER been a case where a vaccine is somehow MORE effective than getting and recovering from a virus? I ask because the answer seems so obvious, of course not.
- alonmower 6y agoYes, and it's not exceedingly rare https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-safety/immune-system-and-health https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-cent...
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- lazide 6y agoYes, the HPV vaccine results in dramatically better immunity than from the disease itself. [https://translational-medicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1479-5876-8-105 https://translational-medicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10...]
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- Austin_Conlon 6y agoI'm curious to hear people's rationales for 2) and 3).
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y agoI voted to wait. It's because I'm in an age and fitness bracket where I'm unlikely to be in serious danger from becoming infected, and a lifestyle bracket where I'm unlikely to be infected at all. I expect supply will be limited at first, so someone staring down a lot more risk than I am should get it.
- ardy42 6y ago> I voted to wait. It's because I'm in an age and fitness bracket where I'm unlikely to be in serious danger from becoming infected, and a lifestyle bracket where I'm unlikely to be infected at all. I expect supply will be limited at first, so someone staring down a lot more risk than I am should get it. That's my situation too, but I voted yes under the assumption that I won't be allowed to take it until all the higher risks groups have gotten it. But I'm in America and assumed in January/February that we'd handle this pandemic far better than we actually did. So maybe I'll be unpleasantly surprised again to find the first doses allocated by some corruptly shortsighted system like an auction.
- NikolaeVarius 6y agoThats not a choice. You are forced to wait until more at risk people get it. The question is, when it is available to you, will you take it or wait. Also your logic relies on false assumptions. You are not likely to get seriously ill from the virus. You are still just fine, get the virus and be infected.
- Spivak 6y agoWaiting: - I'm young & healthy and want to wait until people who are more vulnerable than me have gotten theirs. - I wouldn't ever run .0 releases in prod. I don't have a pressing need for the vaccine and can afford to see if there are any unexpected side-effects or complications with other diseases and conditions that don't show until its given to a larger population. - I am currently very sick and so receiving any vaccine would be dangerous for me. - I've already gotten COVID so I should be the last person in line. Never: - I already know that I'm allergic to something in the vaccine. - I have a weakened or compromised immune system and can't take most vaccines and my doctor says this is no exception. - (I don't know if this one is true) I've already gotten COVID so I don't need the vaccine.
- whymauri 6y agoI'm really interested in the people who are saying 'no.'
- guscost 6y agoI won’t be getting it, on principle. But the vaccine itself probably won’t hurt, if you don’t care about the context.
- rglullis 6y ago> on principle. What principle?
- guscost 6y agoEveryone has the inalienable right to decline the vaccine for any reason, including: - They think it will be bad for their health or public health - They think it is some UN microchip plot - They have a moral objection to how it was developed - They think it is the actual “mark of the beast” from the Bible The people who decline will be in the minority (at least visibly), and they will be bullied relentlessly by the visible majority, so to protect our rights I have to stand with them.
- rglullis 6y agoI am not sure I follow. I understand that people have the right to reject the vaccine, but it doesn't mean that I on principle should reject it as well. If you don't want to take it for any reason whatsoever, fair enough. It's your right. But at least be honest and defend your choice on its own instead of hiding behind some "principle" that doesn't really exist.
- guscost 6y agoThe principle is simply: It is important to exercise our rights. In a different circumstance, I would probably only get it for convenience, because I don’t really believe in messing with peoples’ immune systems without a much clearer benefit. I’m not convinced about the long-term public health benefit of flu shots either. You may disagree, which would not surprise me. But again, that thinking is irrelevant in this case, because exercising liberty is FAR more important than “staying safe”.
- danpalmer 6y agoUnfortunately my vaccine choice is somewhat limited by medication I'm on, and therefore I may have to wait for the right type of vaccine. This is why it's important that everyone who can take it does take it, because there's a percentage of the population who can't, and we are only protected when the community reaches some level of heard immunity. If you're able to take it please do.
- oldie 6y agoThis is an important and under-considered factor when people are deciding about getting vaccinated. Other groups of people who can't currently get vaccinated, at least in my country, include children and pregnant women. They all deserve protection. I wish you safety and good health until a suitable vaccine becomes available to you.
- rglullis 6y agoThe number of people who can't get vaccinated will certainly be lower than the number of people who got infected already and are immune.
- bronlund 6y agoAn experimental mRNA vaccine. No thank you! I'll wait a couple of years and see how many of you get down with some weird autoimmune response.
- crusso 6y agoI've been kind of astounded at the number of people I've seen who claim that they won't be taking the vaccine, no matter what.
- radicalbyte 6y agoI'll take it but only later in the year when it is more widely available. People at high risk should go first, then people who are super social (or stupid + spreading the plague). Especially younger people, they need to get pricked. Do you really think they're going to avoid drinking close physical contact in spring? Me neither.
- nostromo 6y agoNo need to worry about who should go first. They will be rolling it out based on need. When it's available to you, go get it.
- setpatchaddress 6y agoYou're assuming distribution will work fairly and optimally. That's very unlikely, especially because the initial rollout will still be overseen by the Trump admin.
- dustinmoris 6y agoYou’re assuming that everyone talks about the USA, but they probably don’t.
- imdsm 6y agoI find this on the internet, though usually reddit rather than here. I am forever asking folks if they mean the US, and trying to explain to them that there is... a rest of world
- tpxl 6y agoAmerica is the largest (primarily) English speaking community in the world and both Reddit and YC are US companies. It's not surprising some assume the whole audience is American.
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- mehrdadn 6y agoQuestion—have there historically been any comparable vaccines whose problems have become apparent long after the shot (> 6 months) while having seemed fine before that?
- mongol 6y agoComparable, I don't know. But during the swine flue influenza, the Swedish government rolled out a large vaccination campaign, encouraging everyone to get vaccinated. Unfortunately, it turned out that children in a certain age could get chronic narcolepsy from the vaccine Pandemrix. About 230 children have been reported suspected to get this side effect from the vaccine.
- jnurmine 6y agoPandemrix caused many cases of narcolepsia not only in Sweden, but in Finland too. (And other countries, but in lesser numbers) Apparently there are two types of narcolepsia, type 1 is an autoimmune reaction against a hormone which regulates wakefulness and sleep. Pandemrix caused the type 1 in some people. The whole situation is quite well known in Sweden and Finland. Over the years, there have been news articles and documentaries on TV, and so on. It is very sad to see young children injured for life because of a vaccine which was supposed to be safe. The majority of the cases got symptoms in a few months, but some after 1.5 years. To crown this whole debacle, internal GSK documents with signals of safety concerns were ignored (Pandemrix adverse effects were compared to an almost identical vaccine called Arepanrix). [1] I took the Pandemrix back in the days. I'm definitely not an "anti-vaxxer", but sorry, I won't be the first in line for another rushed pandemia vaccine. [1] https://www.fiercepharma.com/vaccines/glaxosmithkline-fails-to-warn-pandemic-flu-vaccine-s-alarming-safety-signal-bmj-report https://www.fiercepharma.com/vaccines/glaxosmithkline-fails-... Edit: reword sentence
- pgalvin 6y agoInteresting fact; the vaccine probably didn’t increase rates of Narcolepsy at all https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/history/narcolepsy-flu.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/history/narcoleps...
- jjohansson 6y agoEDITED to remove most of the post. Does anyone have information on possible side effects?
- sandworm101 6y ago"High risk" for a vaccine is still a lower risk than that of catching/suffering/dieing from covid. It is a numbers game, a balance between risks. It isn't a magic pill to stop evil in its tracks.
- jjohansson 6y agoI completely agree -- but what I'd like to understand is what those risks are from the vaccine. In Canada, the risk from COVID is high, but not as high as that in the US.
- thelean12 6y agoDo you realize how horrible it is to disseminate conspiracy theories that you heard from a "friend" who heard it from "a doctor"? You're part of the problem.
- jjohansson 6y agoNoted.
- Bjartr 6y agoThe executive summary of the FDA report[1] on the vaccine lists observed side effects in the clinical trial population as well as their incidence rates. Briefly, it is comparable to a normal flu shot. Derek Lowe, who's worked as a chemist doing drug discovery for 30 years (for whatever that experience is worth to you), wrote an article[2] talking about that report and gives his take on the question of safety. He's also written an article[3] about how it's likely people will wrongly attribute things that would have happened anyway to having taken the vaccine. For a techie analogy: Have you ever been roped into doing some computer support for a friend or family member? Fixing a printer, installing a driver, cleaning malware, etc.? Have you ever experienced someone you helped coming back to you the next week blaming you for some new issue that's cropped up because "It must have been you when you worked on it last week!", even though it's because they went to some scummy website or similar? The vaccine rollout is going to be that scenario times a billion. [1] https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download [2] https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/12/09/the-fda-weighs-its-first-coronavirus-vaccine https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/12/09/th... [3] https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/12/04/get-ready-for-false-side-effects https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/12/04/ge...
- codevark 6y agoPeople who don't realize that they are alive today because their parents trusted doctors and took the vaccines. These things sort themselves out, over time :)
- gerty 6y agoIf you voted YES and were able to choose among the available (Western) vaccines, BioNTech/Pfizer, Moderna or Oxford/AstraZeneca, which one would you take? Does it matter for you?
- s1artibartfast 6y agoWhy did you specify western?
- GuardianCaveman 6y ago“ Russia approved the vaccine after trying it on several dozen subjects in a non-blind study and ahead of Phase 3 trials, which are key to establish its safety and efficacy, drawing skepticism from the international community and accusations it could have jumped the gun for political gains.”
- s1artibartfast 6y agoIt's not clear what you are quoting, but there are vaccines besides the russian one. For example there is also the Chinese CoronaVac. I think there are completely reasonable reasons for people to consider these vaccines as well. Some have larger phase III trials, and some are tested in different demographics. for example, Arabs might be more comfortable with trials that were run with predominantly arab participants.
- nostromo 6y agoThe demographics data behind current polling are interesting: https://i.imgur.com/nu1ZfE0.png https://i.imgur.com/nu1ZfE0.png Younger people are much less likely to take the vaccine than are older people. People under 45 years old are evenly split between wanting the vaccine and not wanting it. Black respondents are also much less likely to report willingness to the vaccine, perhaps reflecting historic distrust of the medical system.
- DennisAleynikov 6y agoeasy for me to say yes, nothing seems weird to me about a vaccine helping stop the pandemic with immunity
- eikenberry 6y ago"EVENTUALLY" should be an option. I'm low risk and was full time remote even before this. Better to let high risk, health care and service industry people have first go at the vaccine.
- jkw 6y agoI think there's a difference between: (a) I WILL WAIT because I don't trust it yet, and (b) I WILL WAIT because I want to let the more at-risk people to have access it to first That seems to be lost in the poll
- rob74 6y agoOr (c) I will tell everyone that I'm waiting so that more at-risk people can have access it to first, but secretly I'll be happy others are field-testing it for me...
- delecti 6y agoThat's similar to mine. I will get it as soon as I can, but I'm also glad that "when I can" is not "first".
- flatline 6y agoThe incentives seem to align: if I were a front-line at-risk worker I'd be much more accepting of possible risk than in my present situation of staying at home all day.
- wwweston 6y agoSpeaking as someone who already has some (but not all) well-understood vaccines contraindicated and has to figure out which category covid vaccines will fall in... (d) telling myself that (c) is how I feel is how I assuage my feelings of disappointment at being old enough decision makers believe I'm likely to behave responsibly, but young enough + no apparent extra risk factors enough that I'm likely to be near last to get access.
- throwaway888abc 6y agonailed it! Don't tell anyone..
- that_guy_iain 6y agoOr (d) I will wait to see if Corona mutates so much over the next year that the vaccine is a yearly process. Edit: I feel like some people didn’t notice the mink culling in Denmark which was caused by fears that version of the virus would make the vaccines useless.
- mattigames 6y agoIt's as nonsensical question as "Will you stop your car when you see red traffic lights?". If it's not obligatory it's useless or at least at high risk of being so. So I consider such poll too preposterous to even deserve an answer.
- sonotmyname 6y agoAre you aware of any free countries where vaccination is/will be obligatory?
- mattigames 6y agoItaly, France, Romania, among others.
- thelean12 6y agoPeople saying "NO" or "I WILL WAIT" should be ashamed of themselves for falling for misinformation and harming the rest of us. (Unless people are confused and saying "I will wait" when in fact they're going to be forced to wait until their turn comes around)
- kylebenzle 6y agoYou should be ashamed of trying to shame people into taking a new and still widely untested treatment. I've had Covid and we STILL don't even know if that makes a person immune. Has there ever been a case where a vaccine is MORE effective than actually getting and recovering from a virus? Seems like the latter would be "better" so why would I get a vaccine for something I am immune to?
- davmar 6y ago> Has there ever been a case where a vaccine is MORE effective than actually getting and recovering from a virus? Eradication of diseases and massively decreased death counts due to vaccinations. That's a pretty strong argument to support the idea that the vaccine is more effective than letting a disease rip through a population.
- shawnz 6y agoI think you are misinterpreting their post. They are saying that vaccine-induced immunity is not likely to be more effective than natural immunity (of which we are already uncertain about the effectiveness)
- crispyporkbites 6y agoIf you’re already immune, I guess it won’t affect you anyway, so you might as well get it to be doubly sure (your first case could have been a false positive)
- thelean12 6y agoHaving Covid already is probably a fine excuse to not get the vaccine. We'll know soon enough how much immunity it gives you, but it seems to give plenty for now. But unless it wasn't clear: I'm pissed at the massive amount of people saying they won't take the vaccine because of conspiracy theories. Not even the HN can escape them, apparently. I literally just saw and commented on someone spouting one in this thread just 20 minutes into the thread. And I got downvoted for calling them out, even when they agreed and took it down. And then thinking that this vaccine which has been properly trialed and not rushed is going to somehow be worse than, for example, 1 in 1000 people in the UK already dead. Seriously? So yeah, I'm going to shame people.
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- tekno45 6y agoi'm terrified of needles, gonna wait till at risk people have it and then going to face my fear. FDA approved, im not scared of whats in the vaccine, i just hate the idea of getting stabbed.
- laloyosoy 6y agoLOL, the nerds of sillicon valley discussing the effectiveness of the vaccine. What is this? A group of 50 year old ladies with Facebook?
- Twisol 6y agoI'll take "nerd", but there's nothing wrong with a group of 50 year old ladies discussing this on Facebook, either.
- h3cate 6y agoI'm genuinely curious as to why people have so much faith in big pharma after the whole benzo crisis that's hit America. Weren't these same companies paying doctors to get people hooked on Xanax?
- Trasmatta 6y agoFalse equivalence
- h3cate 6y agoSorry, please can you explain for a dumb person?
- Invictus0 6y agoAre you suggesting that we'll get addicted to the covid vaccine? This thing isn't designed for repeat customers.
- h3cate 6y agoNot at all, I'm not suggesting anything, I am just asking a question. The current thinking is that you will need to have regular boosters of this vaccine so yes it is designed for repeat customers if that's the case
- Omnus 6y ago"So much faith"? People are just following the science. Are you really arguing that because one bad situation has occurred involving pharmaceutical companies, we should assume every new drug or treatment is bogus or based on evil motives?
- postalrat 6y agoToo many people are claiming they are following the science but instead are playing politics.
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- 734129837261 6y agoI will wait because I a tiny bit skeptical. The first people to get it will be a huge study group and the results will, I expect, convince me to take the vaccine as well. But, you never know if the vaccine accidentally turns us all into infertile beings. Which would be awesome, and I'll line up to get a shot. I hate humans.
- dlgeek 6y agoThat study group already happened.
- LoveMortuus 6y agoMy plan is to not take it, but I have a feeling that it will be mandatory sooner then later, so it will be unavoidable. My reason for not wanting to take is, because I'm very weak mental health-vise and wouldn't want to interrupt my body while I'm healing with current medication (Flouxetine), I fear that vaccine affects could swing me a bit too much into the wrong direction and then poof I'm dead. Just my thoughts though, I do think that vaccine are life changing and allow us the comfortable life that we have now. Edit: I'm from Slovenia, not the USA!
- Multicomp 6y agoI answered No because I already had it, so I may be n/a? But if they still want me to take the vaccine, i will.
- tootie 6y agoThe recommendation is to get vaccinated even if you had it.
- andrew_ 6y agoI voted WILL WAIT simply because the idea of becoming Will Smith in my own "I Am Legend" city is appealing.
- vultour 6y agoUnfortunately you'll end up stuck in there with mostly anti-vaxxers
- briefcomment 6y agoSo?
- vultour 6y agoSo it's going to be worse than a Zombie apocalypse because the only people left on earth will be braindead.
- briefcomment 6y agoGot it
- Eduard 6y agoKeep in mind that Coronavirus vaccine are novel and not field tested, whereas other vaccines are field tested for decades.
- jjeaff 6y agoI would think 30,000 people tested is pretty close to "field tested".
- DSingularity 6y agoNo, that is beta-testing. Field tested status will hopefully be reached next year when a year of successful deliveries to millions of people is achieved!
- jonnycomputer 6y agoBut I'll be last in line, white-collar work-at-home, privileged person that i am.
- jonnycomputer 6y agoand to be clear, that's fine with me.
- blackcats 6y agoWill have to wait 7 months or more because of my age (30s). So I will wait
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- mushufasa 6y agoI'd like to travel out of the country, and I imagine vaccine documentation will become a part of airport customs processes for a year or two.
- DataSceince123 6y agoThe vaccine should be given to BIPOC people first as pointed out by VOX [1] because they have a higher mortality rate from the disease. Once POC in at risk segments have received their dose then we can give it to others. Its interesting to consider the inequality outcome here, ie if we dont give it to POC first, and they cant return to the office when others can, then they will end up losing to office politics. [1] https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2020/10/2/21493933/covid-19-vaccine-black-latino-priority-access https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2020/10/2/21493933/covid-...
- tootie 6y agoAs much as this makes sense from an epidemiological perspective it's only going to inflame more resentment and likely from the same demographics that are vaccine skeptics. Public health officials are unfortunately going to have to factor in PR and politics if they want get the most people protected.
- king_magic 6y ago100%, zero hesitation.
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- goshx 6y agoI wonder if the distribution will reach permanent residents as well at the same time as citizens.
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- dr_dshiv 6y agoI don't get why they don't take 10% of the initial supply and auction or sell at a high price. It would increase the perceived value of the vaccine and let market forces evaluate safety.
- partiallypro 6y agoI plan on taking it, but I would be lying if I said I weren't a bit anxious about taking it given it's the first vaccine of its kind.
- gchamonlive 6y agowaiting just because I am not at imminent risk, and other people should take priority
- tibbydudeza 6y agoWill definitely take it considering my age. But technically I am already immune for a few months at least as I managed to contract it a few weeks ago. Fortunately me and the wife did not end up in hospital but it was not a pleasant experience.
- credit_guy 6y agoI'll take it as soon as I have access to it. I'm ok even with the Oxford/AstraZeneca one. I'd be ok even with the Russian one (I live in the US, so there's pretty much zero chance this would become available here). If it's available from private clinics for hundreds of dollars before it's available for free, I wouldn't take it. I'll wait until my turn comes for the free vaccine. PS: I fully trust the FDA. Once they give their authorization, I have no hesitations to take the vaccine. It goes without saying that I wouldn't take the Oxford/AstraZeneca or any other vaccine if it hasn't received the FDA EUA.
- michrassena 6y agoYes, definitely as soon as I'm able. I won't be in the first batch since I'm not in the medical field. I think the majority of issues will be worked out by that point. I don't plan to change my behavior much until we reach herd immunity, but it will be nice not to have to worry as much about getting the disease.
- nw05678 6y agoYes
- 1cvmask 6y agoThis is the first poll I took part in HN. How does one get to do one?
- mnemotronic 6y ago1
- christkv 6y agoWhich one? By the time non-high risk groups get vaccinated there will be more versions available based on more traditional platforms. I would prefer a more traditional one than a highly experimental one like the mRNA ones. I guess we will know more about the mRNA ones soon as the British has started large scale vaccinations.
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- leon_ 6y agoGoing to wait a few years to check for long term side effects.
- mandukya 6y agoVaccines will make us trannies
- urda 6y agoI will get it, but once higher risk individuals have gotten their needs. I'm healthy, not immunocompromised, and WFH by myself. There won't be enough to go around at first, and others like front-line-workers, elder, and at-risk-patients need it before I do. I can continue to keep the travel to zero, and only leave home for the bare needs until then. I consider it my civic duty.
- AHappyCamper 6y agoI'll wait until I see no adverse effects in 6-12 months, and I'll be damned if I let someone inject it into me before that!!
- ichbinwiederda 6y agoFrom what I read it seems people who are young and not otherwise at risk don't really need to take the vaccine as it doesn't inhibit transmission (results not concluded but very likely it does not). In any case it is unlikely it will be available to you if you fall in this demographic anyway.
- s1artibartfast 6y agoI have not seen any information that it likely does not inhibit transmission. All I have seen is that we don't have data on this. AFAIK, every other vaccine on the planet inhibits transition. Do you have a source?
- Kliment 6y agoNo vaccine can entirely prevent transmission of an airborne pathogen that replicates in the upper airways - there's not enough blood flow there, so some replication will always happen before the immune system reacts sufficiently, and during that time transmission is possible. However, all available data suggests that the vaccine-initiated immune response would dramatically reduce the transmission probability by both reducing viral load and reducing the time window for successful transmission. This effect has not been measured with this particular vaccine because it can only be measured for a very short period immediately after infection. It's very hard to do this unless you intentionally trigger an infection and that's why we have no data. (This is called a "challenge study" and it's been done with animals but not humans. There's a plan to do one with volunteers in January.) Lots of anti-vaccine fuckers have latched onto the "it can't prevent transmission" part of this and are using it to discredit vaccines. Lots of people with insufficient information are repeating this statement because they don't know better.
- s1artibartfast 6y agoThat matches my understanding as well.
- echlebek 6y ago"I will wait" and "No" are really the same answer.
- theodric 6y agoYes, as soon as possible.
- camillomiller 6y agoI had Corona, it’s quite unclear what I should do.
- ab3rC1te 6y agoWow! A whopping 509 of you going to die or at least have some mental retardation from the side effects. The only vaccine to trust would be the one from Moderna. One group of test subjects in Australia showed false positives, where another group that took the shots in Europe developed side effects of fascial deformities. Believe that might have been the Pizfer vaccine I'm sure you could search that up. But I will choose option 2 and walk by faith. For we all have had the virus between Dec 2019 to Feb 2020. It was release in Nov in Wu Han China. But question me this, the flu has killed more than COVID but no vaccine ended the flu but this vaccine end COVID. Yeah, love the bullshit
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- redkoala 6y agoInteresting to see the HN crowd poll more likely to take the vaccine (~85% at the time of this comment) compared to Americans polling at 60%. https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2020/11/10/harris-poll-covid19-vaccine-masks-distancing/ https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2020/11/10/harris-poll-co...
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- pimlottc 6y agoFor some reason I get a blank screen on HN polls on my normal Chrome configuration, javascript error trace: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'querySelector' of null at HNComments.markupToNodeList (hn.js:397) at HNComments.apply (hn.js:666) at Object.doAfterCommentsLoad (hn.js:1265) at Object.loadMoreLink (hn.js:1243) at Object.doCommentsList (hn.js:1070) at Object.init (hn.js:797) at hn.js:1913 Works in Incognito, so must somehow be related to one of my extensions; but it's not uBlock Origin, which would normally be my first suspicion. Anyone else have this problem?
- hoten 6y agoYou can slowly enable some extensions in Incognito until it happens again.
- trwwyee 6y agoYes, but... I live in an Eastern European country where this is unfortunately not a purely medical, but partly a political question as well. The pandemic handling our government has implemented is very untransparent. They made it very unclear which vaccine they ordered from. There were some statements that indicated the Russian one. I would gladly take any of the "Western" vaccines, but I do not really trust that the Russian or the Chinese ones work at all. I would rather choose medicine based on science, not politics. We have a website where we can pre-apply for vaccination by filling a form with personal information (gov id, social security number etc). Nobody knows what the purpose of this registration is, because supposedly we already have a vaccination plan that would allow anyone to be vaccinated. A few days ago it turned out that the data entered to this website is handled by a shady company that supplied software for the last election and has close ties to the governing party. The government has already been caught lying about many covid-realted issues, if my choices are "blindly doing what they tell" or not doing anything, then a "no" answer might be the lesser bad choice.
- blackrock 6y agoThe current knowledge, is that the Pfizer mRNA vaccine: 1) Claims 95% efficacy. 2) But it was not widely tested. Meaning they didn’t test it on people who had allergies. Or who could have an allergic reaction to it. 3) Health officials are now warning people who have allergies, to NOT take the Pfizer vaccine. (Uhh.. what?) 4) The Pfizer mRNA vaccine will not prevent you from getting sick. It will just prevent major malfunctions from severely harming you, or killing you. 5) Taking the Pfizer mRNA vaccine might end up making you a non-symptomatic transmitter of the virus. So.. you’re literally a walking and breathing virus transmitting zombie? Good grief. It’s a choose-your-own-adventures world with this Pfizer mRNA vaccine. Meanwhile.. no word from the western media about China’s vaccine using the traditional method of an inactivated virus.
- pgalvin 6y agoMost of what you said is false. 1) this has now been peer-reviewed (iirc) and confirmed by multiple countries’ regulatory agencies. It does have 95% efficacy. 2) actually, it was tested on people with allergies and they were aware that some people would be allergic beforehand. 3) this is actually pretty common for people with SEVERE allergies, as it is in this case. 4) this is not true at all. It prevents 95% of symptomatic infections, i.e. getting sick. 5) we don’t know this. It’s possible, but you’re wrong to state it as a fact. For all we know, it could prevent asymptomatic transmission too.
- frakkingcylons 6y agoTo the people who are going to wait because they want it to be tested more: What kind of concerns do you have? Would you feel more comfortable taking a Adenovirus/inactivated vaccine instead of an mRNA vaccine?
- gentryb 6y agoWill be actively doing testing, and will likely be among the first wave of "guinea pigs". Still going to take it, unless science says otherwise at that moment. There's a lot to be said for taking this more seriously than the current WFH group on HN (which seems to be quite a large one).
- Hippasus 6y agoI will not be taking anything under any sort of widespread social pressure or appeals to authority. I fundamentally lack trust in modern medicine and society in general to the point that it doesn't matter what "scientific evidence" says. Modern medical care gives us robotic, heartless nonsense like "routine" circumcision. Humanity cannot be trusted to act intelligently and empathically on a collective level. I'm a skeptic asshole who second guesses claims just because I have access to Google scholar and sci-hub, a good for nothing contrarian made dangerous by the internet. Adult hall monitors trying to shame people over anything covid-related are disgusting people. I'll take the firing squad before any injections. To some degree it doesn't matter what sort of revelations or facts I come across, not that they can't or won't change my opinions. They will, and I can admit being wrong. I'm very much interested in an empirical worldview. This is different, however. It's "fuck you, I don't trust you to work in my best interests".
- scrollaway 6y ago> I'll take the firing squad before any injections. You know that firing squads aren't usually working in your best interests, right?
- krapp 6y ago>I'm a skeptic asshole who second guesses claims just because I have access to Google scholar and sci-hub, a good for nothing contrarian made dangerous by the internet. Watch out everybody, we got ourselves a badass over here.
- GuardianCaveman 6y agoI thought I was on Reddit for a second. This is some m’lady level edgelord stuff.
- charonn0 6y ago> Modern medical care gives us robotic, heartless nonsense like "routine" circumcision. That's more of a religious thing.
- gthtjtkt 6y agoRemember Thalidomide? Remember asbestos? I'll wait.
- Foober223 6y agoI will take it as soon as possible. I don't have allergic reactions. The risk of the vaccine on 50k people has proven safer than a random sample of 50k people exposed to Covid-19.
- charonn0 6y agoYes, but I won't be an early adopter.
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- mullingitover 6y agoI'll take it, but the headline "White House orders FDA chief to authorize Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine Friday or submit his resignation" in WaPo is absolutely horrifying. What the hell were they thinking. There's already enough vaccine hesitancy before people found out that this was rammed through under political pressure. They're going to (continue to) get people killed.
- sonotmyname 6y agoFairly odd view to take given that other modern, western countries have already approved it...
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- vmurthy 6y ago1. I stay in Australia where the prevalence of Covid-19 is really really low however my parents stay in India and if either of us were to visit each other, I'd prefer all of us vaccinated and even then we'll not be socialising with the extended family. Reason being that the vaccines so far have proven to be effective in preventing disease if someone is infected but no proof yet on whether they prevent transmission/infection as well
- chapium 6y agoI will be taking it asap, I'd rather face the risks of taking a tested vaccine than the risks of getting or spreading Covid.
- sunnyday1337 6y agoIf vaccines restrict travel, then a lot of young people wanna get vaccinated
- thrower123 6y agoBy the time they would let me get it, it'll be the GOTY version with all the release day bugs patched.
- GoodJokes 6y agoI can't predict the future. Correct wording is "would you take the covid vaccine."
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- alex_young 6y agoI'll take it, but still mostly isolate for a while. My infant son is likely to get a vaccine a year later in the best scenario, and I'm not about to expose him to this thing if at all possible.
- chrononaut 6y ago(reads news) "The F.D.A. accelerates its timeline to authorize the Pfizer vaccine to Friday evening after a threat from Trump's chief of staff: The White House told the F.D.A chief he should start working on his next job if he didn't get the vaccine authorization done Friday, an official said." -- NYTimes ... I think I will select, "I WILL WAIT"
- smabie 6y agoThe FDA doesn't actually approve drugs, it has an independent group of scientists/professors that approve them.
- yread 6y agoIt's actually just an advisory committee and the FDA can act on the advice however they like. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-holds-advisory-committee-meeting-discuss-authorization-covid-19 https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavi...
- chopin 6y agoLike, the FAA? I think governmental institutions lost much trust the past few years. If big pharma execs band together to publicly state that they will not go onto a fast track on administration wishes, something is very wrong with institutions. And I wouldn't trust a pharma exec farther than I could throw my grand piano.
- EMRZ 6y agoHow many of the yes voters took the seasonal flu shot? Genuinely asking
- buzzerbetrayed 6y agoThis is a great question, and I wouldn't be surprised if the answer was quite low. Not because people are against it, but because people don't make the effort to get it. This will be a big hurdle for the covid vaccine as well I think. A quick Google search tells me that in the US, 33.9%–56.3% of adults get the seasonal flu shot (children are higher at 46.0%–81.1%).
- Someone1234 6y agoI did. The harder part was getting elderly relatives the seasonal flu shot safely. Going to the doctors is unsafe right now if they have no specific appointment otherwise. Luckily they did a "drive through" flu-shot event, and we got it for them that way. Essentially just stick your arm out the window, jab, and go.
- jrockway 6y agoI voted yes and got my flu shot this year.
- scrollaway 6y agoI didn't because it's really hard to get it in my country this year. It's been prioritized for those highly at risk. At this point I'm likely not going to bother given how difficult it is. Usually I do take it fwiw.
- oldie 6y agoI voted yes. I get a flu jab every year, including this year.
- chadlavi 6y agoVoted yes, get the flu shot annually.
- chki 6y agoIt's not recommended for me in my country (Germany) to take the seasonal flu shot, because I'm not over 60. I suppose it might be similar in other countries.
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- pogue 6y agoI'm going to wait until the first batch goes through then I'll decide whether I want it. I'm hesitant a bit about this vaccine because it was developed so rapidly, they didn't do the usual testing period and the FDA allowed for a fast-track process. I'd rather have waiting until they tested it thoroughly with multiple trials, instead of just one.
- garrtt 6y agoInteresting- the options in HN polls are listed in random order. You can tell by refreshing the page.
- totaldude87 6y agoPeople voting for NO, whats your main point?
- Someone1234 6y agoMaybe they already had COVID-19, are in the high allergy group, are under-18, or hit one of the other medical exclusions (e.g. HIV, pregnant/trying, auto-immune disease, etc). There are legitimate "No" votes just on purely medical grounds. I voted Yes though.
- kart23 6y agoOne reason I've seen is that the companies behind the vaccine have not actually disclosed how the mRNA gets inside the cell. They have said its some type of nanoparticle lipid mixture that is able to get inside your cells, but they haven't disclosed publicly or to the review panels what it actually is or how its made, since its proprietary tech. [0] Back in 2017, Moderna was taking a similar approach, wrapping the mRNA in lipid nanoparticles, but found that it had safety issues, and never made it to human trials. [1] Hopefully they have fixed their problems, but nothing I've seen has outright proven that its safe over the long term. Personally, I can kind of understand this reasoning, I would prefer to know exactly what is going into my body and how its made, and that information should absolutely be made open. Something I also wonder is that moderna had a bunch of mRNA vaccines set to go to human trials, and I wonder where they went. [2] [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7553041/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7553041/ [1] https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/10/moderna-trouble-mrna/ https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/10/moderna-trouble-mrna/ [2] https://www.biospace.com/article/why-secretive-5-billion-biotech-moderna-may-not-be-able-to-commercialize-products-into-clinical-trials-/ https://www.biospace.com/article/why-secretive-5-billion-bio...
- biztos 6y agoWhich of the several vaccines? Edit: original order was broken so removed number. Edit2: seriously, which vaccine are you trying to poll for? Before most of us have a chance at whichever jab you’re talking about, there will be several vaccines available to most HN readers.
- strstr 6y agoI have 4 family members in trials (2 Moderna, 2 Pfizer). I would volunteer for challenge trials if given the opportunity. I got the swine flu vaccine in 2010ish. I would take basically any covid vaccine in a heartbeat. Personally, I see it as a moral obligation, since it is a necessary step to end the pandemic, and avoid impacting those that cannot take any of the vaccines. Historically, vaccine side effect profiles are at most as bad as just getting the disease itself. There are early examples of contaminated vaccines (polio with SV40 in the 50s), but we’ve learned a lot about vaccine production since then. I don’t expect to have the chance until ~July or later.
- goodluckchuck 6y agoI don’t want to have to decide. So, I’ll get tested and hope that I’ve unwittingly already had it.
- LibertyBeta 6y agoAs soon as possible. I've got a bicuspid heart valve, and while its in good shape, I really want to stop having to worry about suddenly needing to replace it.
- anonytrary 6y agoI would urge my parents to continue quarantining and take it once most other people have taken it without side-effects. I don't see why I would take it as I'm young and I've probably already been exposed at this point.
- chrisBob 6y agoWow, I assumed there were no longer polls on HN because I haven’t seen one in years
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- Akronymus 6y agoI WILL refuse it if they try and make it mandatory, no matter the consequences. Because of it being untested and me thinking this will be used as a test run to see what the government can force on us. If they make it voluntary, I will wait, because of me being suspicious of long term consequences.
- raaxe 6y agoVaccines are far from untested.
- awakeasleep 6y agoThe same societies that manufacture and test vaccines are those that stand to benefit from successful vaccines...
- Akronymus 6y agoVaccines in general are well tested, yes. The covid vaccine isn't, along with being basically the first of its kind of vaccine. (mRNA)
- asdff 6y agoIt is being tested in clinical trials though...
- ghayes 6y agoIn either case, your answer is NO to the poll.
- Akronymus 6y agoI don't see how the second one means "NO". IMO it falls under I will wait.
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- analog31 6y agoI voted "yes," but in practical terms, "yes" and "I will wait" are one and the same thing.
- ericgreene 6y ago1
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- gzak 6y agoSort of a biased audience to begin with though, no?
- PieUser 6y agoYES
- igmor 6y agoI'm a little cautious about this mRNA vaccine. Novavax though looks awesome, it produces some insane amount of anitbodies and uses a very well established vaccine tech.
- Kiro 6y agoApart from handling the pandemic in the worst way possible, my country (Sweden) also had the misfortune of being one of the few countries mass-vaccinating against swine flu. This was completely unnecessary and resulted in hundreds of people getting narcolepsy. Even though this was an isolated case of a bad vaccine (Pandemrix) it affected the public opinion a lot, so I'm worried that people will be afraid to take the vaccine now.
- pgalvin 6y agoYou might not know, but that’s been discredited since. The vaccine didn’t cause narcolepsy. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.... and https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/history/narcolepsy-flu.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/history/narcoleps...
- Kiro 6y agoInteresting. Didn't know at all. It seems like "common knowledge" here in Sweden. The CDC report isn't mentioned here by the way but should be (in case someone reading this is versed in Wikipedia editing): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemrix#Adverse_outcomes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemrix#Adverse_outcomes This is great news anyway and definitely something I will tell people worried about the vaccine so thanks!
- jnurmine 6y agoThe CDC and the EMA both say that Pandemrix did not cause anything. But that information does not match with what happened in Sweden and Finland. In Finland and Sweden, a small number of young people with specific genes who got the Pandemrix vaccination developed narcolepsy in much higher amounts than expected. With a larger clinical trial and some more time, those tragedies could have been perhaps avoided altogether. https://www.nature.com/articles/gene20171 https://www.nature.com/articles/gene20171 https://www.thelancet.com/journals/ebiom/article/PIIS2352-3964(19)30048-9/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/ebiom/article/PIIS2352-39...
- lnanek2 6y agoNo. Already had covid, was dizzy for like a day or two and breathing was a little tougher than normal. Doubt I could get sick again or that it would be much of an inconvenience if I did.
- randompwd 6y agoThere are different strains of COVID-19 with different effects.
- mensetmanusman 6y agoYes, hopefully the mRNA version! Excited to try new technology.
- rglullis 6y agoThe last thing we should want in our bodies is "new technology". This is not a gadget for you to be excited about. This is not a Captain America or Spider-man origin story. This is someone writing code in most complex language you can think of and testing it in production without any way to do a roll-back.
- mensetmanusman 6y agoThe virus is mRNA telling your body to make more, the vaccine is mRNA telling your body to make a small useless spike. Our bodies are amazing in their resiliency, we are constantly reading mistaken mRNA throughout our lives. This is a great breakthrough to be able to use this to our advantage.
- rglullis 6y ago> Our bodies are amazing in their resiliency Collectively, sure. Individually, each potential source of error and unexpected stressor can act differently and cause the complete opposite effect of what was desired. Just by virtue of its novelty, any "breakthrough" brings so much uncertainty and unbounded risks. It is irrational and downright dangerous to think that individuals should accept these tail risks just because on the average things look good.
- timwaagh 6y agoI dont think there is room for ambiguity here. When the government calls you for your shot are you going to say: ill do what you ask of me? Or are you going to say: nah thanks/ Just let me wait a bit and then maybe? The choice in this case is pretty binary. You dont get to have your cake and eat it too.
- h3cate 6y agoWith it being a seasonal jab you probably can :/
- andybak 6y agoI can't reply to your other comments as they are flagged but be aware that posting supporting links to a disreputable UK tabloid with a history of deceptive journalism probably won't create a great impression among your intended audience.
- wnevets 6y agoI'll not going to rush out and get one. I have no interest in being a beta tester for something like this. The stories of how bad the test kits were is enough to keep me away from v1. Fortunately I'm not in a high risk group and I'm not forced into a situation where I have little choice.
- joshhart 6y agowould wait for people who are higher risk
- iphorde 6y agoSign me up. That data looks good. Anyone waiting, or objecting to getting it is ignorant.
- forest_dweller 6y agoI am going to wait. I am concerned about the amount of time and the record of the companies that have created the vaccine. I work remotely and live on my own, so my exposure to other people most of the time is pretty minimal and I am convinced anyway I may have had it already (I had some sort of illness in April which included a sore throat) though I would have no way of knowing unless I have a anti-body screening.
- fred070 6y agoI will wait, we don't know yet the total effects of the vaccine.
- ecf 6y agoI’ll take it because I don’t have much other choice. I know my current employer is going to be asking me to fly to 10+ cities this year because I’m “essential” and I don’t want to risk being asymptomatic and spreading it to my less-than-healthy parents.
- h3cate 6y agoSorry to tell you this but scientists are suggesting being vaccinated does not stop you from carrying and spreading the disease.
- elil17 6y agoScientists are suggesting that it will be somewhat less effective at preventing transmission and asymptomatic infection than it is at preventing symptomatic infection. From the New York Times: “Preventing severe disease is easiest, preventing mild disease is harder, and preventing all infections is the hardest,” said Deepta Bhattacharya, an immunologist at the University of Arizona. “If it’s 95 percent effective at preventing symptomatic disease, it’s going to be something less than that in preventing all infections, for sure.” Still, he and other experts said they were optimistic that the vaccines would suppress the virus enough even in the nose and throat to prevent immunized people from spreading it to others. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/health/covid-vaccine-mask.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/health/covid-vaccine-mask...
- rolph 6y agowhen it comes to splitting hairs, it doesnt matter how immune you are, to any pathogen, you will ALWAYS get infected. if you have a fresh host of antibodies or a long term host of memory B cells you will prevent the virus from replicating to produce a morbidity or mortality. you have to get the virus in your body...then the immune system responds to it. as a fork you should be aware of the concept of becoming a vector in other words you get the virus on you then transfer it to someone else, no incubation required, just evasion of any cutaneous antibodies.
- chasing 6y agoIt's my civic duty to take it as soon as it's offered to me, even if there's some minuscule chance that there will be an averse side effect. That said, I'll likely be towards the end of the line given my health and occupation.
- h3cate 6y agoWhy is it your civic duty? What will you having this vaccine do for anybody but yourself?
- progval 6y agoLowers the risk you are infected and infect other people and/or take a bed in a crowded hospital
- h3cate 6y agoHate to tell you this but early thinking is that the vaccine does not stop you from carrying or spreading the disease. If anything it will make the spread worse as more people will be asymptomatic. Good point on the hospital bed point though! It will be interesting to see ICU data for each country to see how they're currently fairing - https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1369992/Does-Covid-vaccine-stop-transmission-evg/amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/life-style/he...
- jolmg 6y ago> Lowers the risk you ... infect other people Not necessarily: > Pfizer chairman: We're not sure if someone can transmit Covid after vaccination https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25298299 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25298299 People that don't know that might be confident they don't need to keep distance or wear a mask anymore.
- h3cate 6y agoPrepare to be downvoted for providing evidence against the narrative..
- aazaa 6y agoThe problem with this question is that there are likely to be multiple vaccines. Each will have its quirks. The first round of vaccines will require two doses a few weeks apart. Each one of those requires a visit. Failure to get the second shot will likely lead to severely reduced efficacy. The first two vaccines likely to be available in the US will be mRNA vaccines. They are based on an entirely new platform that's never been deployed at scale. That's going to lead to some surprises - possibly good but maybe not so good. Later vaccines will be more traditional such as the adenovirus-based vaccine being developed by J&J. Numerically, we're likely to see severe reactions or even death in hundreds or thousands of cases at least. The clinical trials are being run on tens of thousands of patients only, and can only pick up so many reactions. As hundreds of millions get vaccinated, we'll see the full range of effects, some of which could be serious even with the safest vaccines. It's important to keep this in perspective as the news of incidents starts to come out. I sometimes hear the statement "I'm waiting until it's proven safe." If that's you, you might want to ask yourself what evidence you'll need to know the vaccine is safe.
- m3kw9 6y agoHere is where risk analysis come in. Lower chance of vaccine rare side effect short term vs long term and vs getting Covid in those periods, which also has its own set of less rare side effects. The best bet is get it the fist chance you are offered it as most people won’t get it right away and you will already see most of the effects.
- giantDinosaur 6y agoIf it's a condition for international travel, which in some way it likely will be, then anyone wanting to travel won't really have a choice. Given that, I'll be getting it. Australia is in a bit of a weird position in that I have no idea what level of virus circulating we'll tolerate even post vaccine though, and I must admit it's concerning that we might reduce deaths by 99% with the vaccine but still not tolerate any infections.
- damagednoob 6y agoGiven a limited supply of vaccine and the order it will be administered, I don't understand how airlines can entertain this policy.
- giantDinosaur 6y agoSupplies won't be that limited by the middle or end of next year, and yes, some airlines are waiting for that (it's fun being in Australia - you actually cannot leave.)
- anonymouswacker 6y agoWhy take a vaccine for something healthy people like me fight off in a day or two? It doesn't make sense. I can take a Zinc tablet, and some Vitamin D, or HCQ, etc. Now older and sicker people should think otherwise, or those who interact regularly with those populations. And yes, I know asymptomatics allegedly, potentially, in some rare cases, might possibly spread it to people who may get seriously ill. That is what we called "nature" before 2020.
- _ink_ 6y agoBecause it will take days for you to notice that you have it and you will continue to spread it. Even if you do not die from it, others that caught it from you might. If you are vaccinated it might be that you do not spread it anymore. It seems that there is no data yet for the current corona vaccines, but other vaccines prevent spreading so the new ones might as well.
- reader1211 6y agoBut those people that may get it and who are at risk should have gotten the vaccine.
- scrollaway 6y agoMany of those highly at risk (the immunocompromised) cannot take the vaccine and rely on herd immunity. It's the same story as with every other vaccines. (Why does it have to be repeated every time?) Very simple: If you want to go back to a normal life, you want herd immunity. You want 60+% of people vaccinated. NOT the 2-3% who are highly at risk. Furthermore, please remember that, much like many other diseases, you can still suffer severe consequences from COVID-19, and you can still die from it, even if you are healthy. Not wanting the vaccine because you have "low chances of dying" is like not wearing a seat belt because you have "low chances of getting into an accident". Wear your fucking seat belt.
- anonymouswacker 6y agoSuch is nature. I don't want to take even a 0.1% risk of some vaccine side-effect to protect a theoretical person. Sorry, not sorry.
- tehjoker 6y agoThe process has been too rushed and now the white house is interfering with the approval process. If the vaccine is not safe, then administering it to everyone at once could be as bad or worse than COVID. I'll be looking to the CDCs/FDAs of other countries because ours is tainted at this point.
- dathinab 6y agoYes, but I'm in a pretty isolated context currently so if that continues I might delay it not because I don't trust the vaccine but because it just wouldn't make sense (EDIT: be worth the hassle for anyone and consume a by the beginning limited resource). (But then there is a good chance the context changed when vaccines are available for the general public in Germany ;-) )
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- baby 6y agoYes because I want to travel and hang out with people and eat in restaurants and ...
- kazinator 6y agoMissing choice: 4. I overcame COVID already Otherwise those people will probably answer NO, which can lead to poor interpretations.
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- ekimslim 6y agoMore than a Third of Adult Americans Are Unwilling or Unsure about Taking a COVID-19 Vaccine https://greenwaldresearch.com/more-than-a-third-of-adult-americans-are-unwilling-or-unsure-about-taking-a-covid-19-vaccine/ https://greenwaldresearch.com/more-than-a-third-of-adult-ame...
- rolph 6y agoive had SARS-1 back in 2003 it wasnt fun. ive had SARS-2 it was like absolutely nothing and was confusing the lab because i tested positive for the SARS-2 covid virus but had antibodies to it. i am now a donor of plasma for antibody infusions, and i expose myself to the virus everytime i can and have not tested positive for the virus. you need 2 shots due to the way the virus interacts with the immune system on first time ever exposure. the 2nd shot actually sets you up for lasting immunity so it is CRITICAL, to get that second dose, or, _not recommended_, but a second exposure to the live virus. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priming_(immunology) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priming_(immunology) long and short of it is, it would be a waste of resources for me to be vaccinated, it wouldnt do me any good and my body will no longer allow the virus to incubate.
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- bananamerica 6y agoYes as soon as it is available. The positive of being immunized greatly outweighs the hypothetical risks of taking the vaccine.
- fuzzythinker 6y agoI will wait for a safer vaccine.
- outside1234 6y agoPlease, by all means, wait. I would love to move up in line.
- outside1234 6y agoRemember, for many of the people on here, you are taking this for others, not yourself.
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- imheretolearn 6y agoThose who voted no, why?
- notsureaboutpg 6y agoI am worried about potential long term risks of the vaccine. We didn't know COVID could have long term side effects until well into the pandemic. It's a tough choice to make, what if the vaccines cause long term problems? What if I don't take the vaccine and get COVID and develop long term problems... It's hard to trust pharma companies. I lost a lot of people to overprescribed opioids and that shook my trust in the healthcare industry. I don't at all miss the "life" precovid, and my job doesn't require me to be in office or travel. My family is closer nowadays than before. So I'm not chomping at the bit to get the vaccine.
- totony 6y agoIt's funny to me there is a dead comment answering you question. Wish I could unflag it. EDIT: Found out how to. Why flag a comment that's answering a question?
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- johndevor 6y agoWhy don't we just give it to the old and sick people? Why would everyone take it?
- 93po 6y agoI will wait a few months to see if there are any immediate obvious side effects. I will of course continue to quarantine at home in the mean time to an extreme degree, as I have done since March
- nondeveloper 6y agoIf the authorities in my state encourage my population (20s, male, low BMI) to take the vaccine, I’ll take the vaccine. It’s a risk, sure. But the older people have borne the risk so far. I can’t speak for other young people but I feel personal responsibility to take it ASAP.
- jaggednad 6y agoYes
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- tsjq 6y agoI will wait because I don't fully trust it yet.
- exabrial 6y agoYep definitely. I've already had the rona, and while it didn't do anything severe to me, this madness with governments killing small business needs to end. It looks save and the promise of mrna vaccines is quite extraordinary.
- loxias 6y agoImmediately. And recently begun idly wondering if people are going to be jumping the queue. (and how they might do so...)
- krimpenrik 6y agoHighly disagree and you should stop pushing that narrative. It is your basic human right to decide what happens with your body. And I can not blame people to reject the current vaccine situation. Don't push the shaming narrative, it is pathetic.
- a3n 6y agoNot only yes, but fuck yes. We could have knocked this way down by wearing masks. As a long distance truck driver I see few people wearing masks, mostly counter workers who want to keep their jobs. A few truckers who want to get into the store, a few more "civilians." I see a lot of freedom fighters daring anyone to say something to them. California is about the best I've seen. I always wear a mask except when I'm in the truck, regardless of signs, and regardless of whatever a state's rules are at the moment. Since we're not going to wear masks, the vaccine is our only hope. I want to prevent my infection, for myself obviously, but equally so that I don't spread to anyone. If a problem is discovered ... I'm old, and I've lived long enough. I'd be happy to contribute that bit of data.
- weishigoname 6y agothat depends, YES, if I need to travel a lot in the near future, or I WILL WAIT if I don't need to travel much.
- rzach 6y agoYes - all of my grandparents are immunocompromised so I want to be very careful around them. Not to mention it will probably be a requirement on college campuses once it becomes generally available.
- hesk 6y agoYES
- dev1n 6y agoI totally forgot polls existed on HN. Wow. Edit: It’s amazing what you forget after 10 years on a website.
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- iio7 6y agoFck no! Definitely not. Not only is the amount of misinformation from both governments and the medical industry regarding Covid widespread, but everybody seems to ignore the fact that many more people are suffering and dying from issues much much more devastating, relevant and important to combat than this so-called pandemic that I find the current state of affairs extremely mind bugling. WHO (Accidentally) Confirms Covid Is No More Dangerous Than Flu: https://off-guardian.org/2020/10/08/who-accidentally-confirms-covid-is-no-more-dangerous-than-flu https://off-guardian.org/2020/10/08/who-accidentally-confirm... Oh, yes, I know, this is going to be down voted before anyone actually reads the information in the article!
- dllthomas 6y agoYes. Which and when? Very much TBD.
- edna314 6y agoDepends on what other people do. If no one takes it I’ll take it. If everyone takes it I won’t take it. We need 50-80% vaccination rate overall. So, if I take the values of this survey which is at 70% vaccination rate at the moment, I would take it to be on the safe side.
- freakynit 6y agoIt's my duty to take it, as well as government's duty to provide insurance against anything going wrong.
- vl 6y agoTwo mice are chatting at the water cooler: “Are you going to take COVID vaccine?” “What? Are you crazy? It hasn’t been tested on humans yet!”
- interestica 6y agoIs there a mathematically optimal means for distribution? (eg, 2 persons in every household or somehow best spreading out to achieve the benefits of herd immunity). I'm not in the most vulnerable group, so I'm okay with waiting. But I wonder if targeting 'likely vectors' would be most effective. Administer in airports for anyone incoming?
- Simulacrum0 6y agoYES
- Ceezy 6y agoIt baffles me that some people wants herd immunity. But are against vaccination.... That's really what herd immunity is about folks. So yeah 1)
- fortran77 6y agoBecause I'm not a front-line worker, or obese/overweight, or in a nursing home, I will have to wait anyway. While I certainly believe in vaccines, I don't know if I'd want to be the very first anyway. Let other people get experience with it for a couple of months first.
- gautamcgoel 6y agoHow do you make an HN poll?
- purplecats 6y agoseems mostly blue collar lower class here that are emotionally hyped up for the vaccines. seems to make sense.
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- dghughes 6y agoOther than helping yourself and others being vaccinated also means you don't get hit by the full force of a virus. Not just covid but the damage done by any virus is lessened after being vaccinated. Even if you do happen to get infected even after being vaccinated (which is still possible). A full strength virus from the wild versus being infected after being vaccinated is quite different.
- chriszhang 6y agoTIL we can create polls on HN
- inetknght 6y agoYeah what is this magic?
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- saithound 6y agoHeck no. I dodged conscription on principle in my homeland, even though the expected risk to my health was far less severe. If the mythical "civic society" thinks that my taking the risk is important, they should feel free to offer a fair payment in exchange, as they do to soldiers these days.
- laserbeam 6y agoThe assumption is a pretty important aspect. Everyone agrees healthcare workers + a few other groups should be among the first to benefit from covid immunity. But that's what, 5-10% of the population? There will be waiting lines for the other 50-70% of the population needed for herd immunity. I hope to see us all act in a civil way, waiting our turn and being kind to each other during those times. I will take it when without asking for any special treatment (neither to be inoculated sooner, nor later).
- hitherrimjack 6y agoAbsolutely not
- hitherrimjack 6y agoWhy on earth would you take the risk of taking a new experimental vaccine whereas your immune system can protect you in most cases.
- officialjunk 6y agothere is more than one vaccine. also the first wave of vaccines are focused on reducing symptoms and deaths. the vaccines that actually prevent viral infection altogether, are still in development.
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- m0llusk 6y agomRNA vaccines are fantastically specific in their biochemical action because of how they were designed for use as treatment for specific instances of cancer and this and their significant history of testing gives me high confidence in their safety and effectiveness.
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- ilaksh 6y agoThere is more than one vaccine. I will probably take a particular vaccine if I am convinced it is safe and if it's mandatory or something I see almost everyone else doing.
- rimliu 6y agoNot sure. I had COVID recently, so according to the current research I should be good for a few months at least. I guess will see that science says then and act accordingly. In any case I'd be at the end of the line for people who need to be vaccinated.
- e900542 6y agoOrwell: Predicted a dystopian surveillance state where every word is monitored, unacceptable speech is deleted, history is rewritten or deleted altogether and individuals can become 'unpersons' for holding views disliked by those in power Revelations: Predicted that "both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, are to be marked on the right hand or the forehead,so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark"
- ultim8k 6y agoI don't belong to a high risk group so I don't think I need it for now. There are priorities. Also I'm not risking my otherwise good health with a beta vaccine to prevent the low risk of dying from COVID. I totally trust science but not companies and governments that are in a mission to save "The Economy" and their fat-arsed pockets. I'm not saying that a company shouldn't care about making profits. But let's not forget some pharma companies' scandals from the past. Would you rush to consume some magical piping hot medicine/vaccine someone made? Is it ready yet? Is it tested enough? Is it safe for everyone?
- ultim8k 6y agoAnd guys, please. The economy is not all those people who lost their job. I don't think any country's government cares about them. Market changes are here to stay. This is not going to be reversed. We aren't going back to "normal" after covid.
- geezerthrowaway 6y agoI will move into the 65 and over cohort in a week. Can't wait.
- timka 6y agoThose who think the economy will recover should at least read this book https://www.amazon.com/Crisis-capital-effectiveness-useless-solve-ebook/dp/B08KCC878V/ https://www.amazon.com/Crisis-capital-effectiveness-useless-...
- ornornor 6y agoCould you expand some, for the rest of us who didn’t read the book and can’t draw any conclusions based on your statement and the summary on the amazon page?
- timka 6y agoWe're entering another great depression and it's not b/c of the covid crisis which only hastened the process. The depression has deeper roots and should have come anyway but hasn't been recognized by mainstream Western economical science b/c of its decades long monoculture of sorts. Economics only recognizes recessions, the cyclic crises, but has no models or even a suitable language for describing another type of crises. This type of crisis was known in the USSR as the fall of capital effectiveness. The problem is that the dominant global economical model has the limit which has been reached. The limiting factor is supply chain length which at some point inevitably makes investments too risky. This idea has been briefly presented by the author in [1] among other submissions. [1] Mikhail Khazin, The Bretton Woods System: Beyond All Repair? Bretton Woods: The next 70 years (p. 181) https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320622832_Bretton_Woods_The_next_70_years https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320622832_Bretton_W...
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- brundolf 6y agoIt'll be months before it's available to the general public, at which point any quirks should have been discovered and I'll feel comfortable taking it. One exception: I read that the Pfizer vaccine can cause problems for people with severe allergies. I have a severe nut allergy, so it's possible I fall into that camp. Still, there are other vaccines on the way and we should know more as they all roll out to frontline workers.
- jl2718 6y agoWe have officially entered the age of distrust.
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- advpetc 6y agoDepending on if the sequence matters. If I take vaccines on a later date will give me a higher effectiveness rate, I will do so.
- rstuart4133 6y agoEasy - I will take it as soon as it becomes available. But that's a trick answer. I live in the antipodes. They seem putting the covid vaccines are going the same validation process they put every vaccine through, and that takes time. So an antipode YES is about the same as a USA I WILL WAIT, but with a big implied dose of I trust my government to get it right thrown in. Gawd, I feel so smug.
- Friedduck 6y agoI’ll take it and I’ve already had and recovered from COVID. We know virtually nothing about the viruses long-term effects. Anecdotally there’s quite a bit to be fearful of. At least with the Pfizer vaccine there were only 2 in 10,000, reported to have serious side effects. Much better odds.
- parentheses 6y agoAs late as possible. I'm perfectly capable of continuing this quarantine and man others are not. Plus I'm happy to wait until I'm satisfied that the vaccine my family and I get is maximally effective.
- IamZeroBalance 6y agoI WILL WAIT for Months, just to make sure that it will work 100% to others. I am not taking that risk.
- PEOPLEgetoff 6y agoWhat if the coronavirus vaccines don't work well enough? I still have doubt about it and not really sure to take it.
- filipkersey 6y agoNo