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System76 – Pangolin
- skavi 6y agoThis has half the battery capacity of the more compact XPS 15. Is Dell really that far ahead with in their engineering ability?
- tonyhb 6y agoYes. They design the machines themselves, while system76 use clevo. It's rare nowadays to have end to end ownership. Very sad.
- wmf 6y agoBut why is Dell so far ahead of Clevo?
- alisonkisk 6y agoDoes Clevo have any competitor?
- inetknght 6y agoDell?
- alisonkisk 6y agoClevo is a white-label supplier. Manufacturers can't sell rebadged Dells without paying approximately retail.
- inetknght 6y agoClevo is a white-label supplier and other companies rebrand them. Dell has vertically-integrated their supply chain. That just means that Clevo competes with Dell at a specific part of the vertical integration. It doesn't mean they're not competitors.
- uberswe 6y agoI really like their laptops but it seems like it almost costs the same as a macbook pro if I try to match the specs. If it was cheaper I would definitely consider them for my next laptop.
- nikki93 6y agoI'm on a System76 Lemur Pro these days and really love it. It's light, keyboard feels good, battery life is great. Echo the desire expressed in other comments here of wanting nicer / higher res screens. But having been on Arch+xmonad/dmenu/i3 etc. before for a while then main-ing mac since then, PopOS on this laptop feels like a good convenience combo (Bluetooth setup etc. works easily) with something like Regolith. The hardware being actually supported the way System76 does it is comforting, esp. with the open source firmware code (I don't ever do anything with that but it's just comforting in some way I guess).
- square_usual 6y agoWhat's the advantage of using Regolith over i3? I'm curious because I have i3 set up, and want to see if Regolith is worth switching to.
- nikki93 6y agoI would actually explicitly pick switching from an already-satisfactory i3 setup to a Regolith setup as maybe not worth it (unless you're literally just doing it for kicks, I guess?). In my case: I've done i3 setups before and then haven't main'd Linux in a bit, then when back on it tried to see how well I could fare with minimum system setup, and Regolith gave me a good-ish i3 config out of the box (along with dark matching GTK3 theme and terminal themes etc.). I did end up tweaking the files though to change up some keybinds and indicate fan speed + thermals in the bar. So it ended up being mostly 1) just a config starter (incl. most bar widgets you'd want) that I can also maybe rebase on if they update upstream in a way that matters 2) a way to get very consistent system theming across i3 setup and GTK.
- least 6y agoRegolith is just a software suite like gnome-desktop that attempts to make a coherent i3 system without having to find solutions for the parts of the desktop environment that i3 doesn't manage. Advantage of using it is you get a set of sensible defaults rather than having to put together your own.
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- snow_mac 6y agoUSB c?
- CivBase 6y ago> 1 × USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C
- solarengineer 6y agoThere is a section in the tech specs called "Expansion" (I was looking for "Ports" ) "Expansion 1× USB 3.2 Gen 1 Type-A, 1 × USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C, 2× USB 2.0 Type-A, MicroSD Card Reader" which contains a mention of a single USC type C port.
- distances 6y agoNo mention of power delivery or DisplayPort? IMHO makes no sense to buy a laptop in 2020 without those.
- dippersauce 6y agoIt is listed right on the product page: 1 × USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C.
- iod 6y agoIf you are asking if it has the ability to be charged through USB C, then I believe the answer is no.
- sufehmi 6y agoThis is absolutely absurd nowadays. My friend have a reasonably old Thinkpad laptop, she ran out of battery during a very important meeting, and I was able to help her by plugging my powerbank
- WhyNotHugo 6y agoSame. I haven’t bought a charger to/from work in years. I just have a very old spare at home that I’ve been using for my work laptops, and leave the original at the office. I also seldom carry a charger, since most places I go have a USBC charger for me anyway.
- lytedev 6y agoThis sounds like everything I would want in a laptop!
- nostrademons 6y agoIt's back? I have a 2013 Pangolin. Not a bad machine - it's still going after several Ubuntu updates, and currently powers the kid's screen time. There were some annoyances that kept it from being my main coding machine - it was bulky, battery life is nowhere near as good as a MBP, the keyboard felt like it was off-center (probably because it, unlike many other laptops, has a numpad), and the trackpad gives next to no feedback. But it's a well-made machine that's kept going. It disappeared from System76's lineup for several years. I wonder how the new ones compare with the old.
- mushufasa 6y agoIs this a cruel joke about COVID?
- freetime2 6y agoThis is actually the first place my thoughts went to when I read the headline. But reading some of the other comments it sounds like this is a model name that's been around since pre-covid (i.e. 2013 at least).
- zachberger 6y agoNo.
- wmf 6y agoThis is notable as one of the very very few 15" laptops that doesn't have Nvidia.
- IanSanders 6y agoYou mean Nvidia or Intel
- rozab 6y agoLenovo have a few: https://www.lenovo.com/gb/en/laptops/thinkpad/t-series/ThinkPad-T14s-AMD-G1/p/22TPT144SA2 https://www.lenovo.com/gb/en/laptops/thinkpad/t-series/Think...
- dnautics 6y agoI just got an intel System76... what bad timing.
- holri 6y agoWhat non free software is necessary to run this hardware? Is there an Intel ME equivalent?
- wmf 6y agoAll Intel chips have ME and all AMD chips have PSP. You may want to adjust your expectations.
- npteljes 6y agoPurism, for one, disables the ME in their offerings. https://puri.sm/learn/intel-me/ https://puri.sm/learn/intel-me/
- turblety 6y agoYes, all AMD chips [1] after 2013 come with an equivalent to the invasive and vulnerable Intel ME [2]. It's arguably worse, since we have some known ways to reduce the scope of the Intel ME backdoor [3]. But realistically, if you care about security and privacy, both Intel and AMD chips are unusable. 1. https://libreboot.org/faq.html#amd-platform-security-processor-psp https://libreboot.org/faq.html#amd-platform-security-process... 2. https://libreboot.org/faq.html#intelme https://libreboot.org/faq.html#intelme 3. https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner
- turblety 6y ago> Display: 15.6″ 1920×1080 FHD, Matte Finish I really wish system76 would start giving options for 4k displays. I have a FHD display from them, only a few months old, and it's noticeably worse than my old macbook pro display.
- skavi 6y agoThe MacBook Pro display is better in many more ways than just resolution. It's also has a wide gamut, excellent factory calibration, good contrast, and an effective antireflective coating on its glossy panel. I'd prioritize each of these over increasing the resolution from 1080p.
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- Uehreka 6y agoIt’s also actually higher res too! My Late 2013 13” Macbook Pro has a resolution of 2560x1600. I wish more manufacturers would remember that there are specs between 1080p and 4K.
- godshatter 6y agoThis is true for dektop monitors as well. I had to scout around for a 2560x1440 display for my desktop Ubuntu box. You would think they would be relatively common, but as you say everything was 1080p or 4k, at least when I was shopping in-person pre-covid. I ended up with an AOC gaming monitor that I really like that I bought online.
- wraptile 6y agoCouldn't disagree more (writing from MacBook display). I'd take mate FHD pver Macbooks smudgy, glossy retina any time of the _day or year_. Glossy displays in laptops should never have been a thing to begin with and I'm not sure how apple managed to convinced world that this should continue.
- galaxyLogic 6y agoWhy is this on HackerNews?
- wmf 6y agoThis laptop looks like it's actually designed for Linux developers instead of designed for Windows gamers and advertised for Linux.
- galaxyLogic 6y agoWell that's a good reason, it just didn't jump at me from the page. On HN topics are supposed to be about "anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity". What would be some reasons how this laptop does that? I'm asking seriously, not trying to argue that it doesn't.
- GoOnThenDoTell 6y agoI wish it had a 4k screen
- ldoughty 6y agoI think 4k is a stretch on a laptop screen. I think 2k would fit better, require less powerful graphics card, and conserve battery power.
- bo1024 6y agoWhat do you mean by 2k in a laptop context? (i.e. non-ultrawide)
- throwawaysea 6y agoI think he means 2560 x 1440 (QHD), which is 16:9. 2K is just another way of referring to this resolution.
- erik 6y agoYep, sometimes people use 2k to mean 1440p / QHD. But it's a particularly bad name for that resolution. 2K is an existing cinema spec that is much closer to 1920x1080 than anything else.
- 1_player 6y agoIt's not a stretch. Reading or writing code at 1x resolution is making a huge disservice to your eyes. Minimum 160ppi, the more the better. In 2020 1080p only makes sense on higher frequencies for gaming, until someone finally releases an affordable 4k >=120hz displays which isn't a "gamer" atrocity.
- tomtheelder 6y agoOn a 15"? You're probably going to lose meaningful battery life and increase price for barely noticeable gains.
- EamonnMR 6y agoI wonder how this compares to Xiaomi's MBP clones. The x220 is starting to show its age and modern apps feel crowded on its small screen.
- dis-sys 6y ago> Display: 15.6″ 1920×1080 FHD, Matte Finish you no longer see such low resolution screens on phones/tablets
- aembleton 6y agoYes you do and here they are: https://www.kimovil.com/en/compare-smartphones/f_max_r+value.4 https://www.kimovil.com/en/compare-smartphones/f_max_r+value... Huawei Mate 40, iPhone 11 and Xiaomi A3 to name a few.
- redrox4me 6y agoBought an Oryx Pro a few years ago, had to replace the LCD, keyboard twice. Terrible build quality, poor battery performance. I would not recommend these laptops.
- satysin 6y agoSadly this is the same experience a friend of mine had with a System76 laptop. When I used it I thought it was fine but not great. The keyboard was usable but didn't feel especially great. Not up there with the likes of a ThinkPad, HP or even the new MacBook keyboards. The thing that puts me off buying them is that they get quite expensive when you start speccing them up but the quality does not match the $1500+ price tag. On the plus side you can save money doing some after purchase upgrades but that doesn't address the overall build quality issues.
- mechnesium 6y agoImagine even considering anything other than M1. Candles versus flashlights here.
- yokem55 6y agoImagine considering a system that is stuck with the vendor's os.
- serf 6y agoso, one side is blind to the raw performance and experience the other party is experiencing. the other side is blind to the morality and ethics of the corporate decisions being perpetrated with support from their own dollar by the company they support -- or worse, they recognize and support morally grey business practices knowingly. So, in other words, yes I can imagine that comparison. It truly is a candles versus flashlights contrast present between the M1 and the Pangolin, and it's a contrast highlighted by more than just the performance and user experience of the machines. I'd lean towards the Pangolin.
- Qwertious 6y agoWait, what morality issues do candles/flashlights have? Or are you just ignoring your own metaphor?
- tsuru 6y agoAs a recent owner of a Lenovo Flex 5 14 with AMD4700U, I recommend verifying that USB-C alternate mode / Display Port capability is available. On the Flex 5 it isn't and it's quite annoying that docking for multiple displays, etc. is nerfed. It's mystifying that there's pretty much no availability of competitive spec'd machines for such a great performing processor / GPU on the market. This Pangolin is slightly amazing for allowing up to 64GB of RAM -- all other options using AMD Ryzen 4XXX I've seen are limited to 8GB of soldered RAM, 1080p display, and 720p webcam. I was somehow lucky and got a 16GB version of the Flex 5 in July. Now it's completely disappeared from the market. It just feels like dark market forces are preventing good options that people really want to buy.
- SECProto 6y agoHow can one check what one's usb-c port supports? I have a Lenovo yoga 920 (I think that's what it is... Got it as a warranty replacement for a different device). I have a usb-c to HDMI adaptor from the first device and it doesn't work on this newer device, which is quite annoying.
- distances 6y agoJust check the device specs on any technical site, and look for USB-C PD (power delivery) and DP (DisplayPort).
- tsuru 6y agoI agree it's not easy many times because of all the different modalities of USB-C. And, as a shopper, it feels like many in the industry is preying upon that ambiguity. "alternate mode" support and "display port" support are the keywords I know to look for. Or alternatively, beware of ones that say "Data and Power Distribution (PD) only" Seeing it not mentioned in the Pangolin specs doesn't give me hope for this unit -- no mention in the expansion ports section AND no mention in the video ports section. Red flags for me and my desired way of computing.
- dunco 6y agoI have also found this. it always seems to be a spec/display conflict and I think it results from us sitting between two very large markets. Consumer space prioritizes decent displays at the cost of poor quality-control/cheap components to keep costs down because that's what sells, and Enterprise space seems to drive costs down by aiming for better reliability at the expense of display options because the buyers are not the users, so the bad display kind of "doesn't matter" to the buyer and doesn't actually prevent work getting done like insufficient RAM might. The final nail in the coffin is Lenovo et. al, leaving off good display options so they don't cannibalize adjacent or higher product lines. :( Pretty massive first world problem, but annoying nonetheless.
- sneak 6y agoI'd very much like to support companies making systems like this, but the low-res display is a hard no.
- jeromenerf 6y agoThe marketing is weird on this product. - named "pangolin" and illustrated with a bull - the bull is disturbingly ugly - the introduction makes no sense to me? Is team red the Democrat party?
- throwawaysea 6y agoI agree it’s a bit weird but I think I’ve cracked it: the red is referring to AMD’s main brand color (“team red”). They are rolling out the red carpet like a matador/torero uses red cloth to bait a raging bull. They are also saying “no bull” as a play on words to say they aren’t bullshitting us by putting out this laptop with all AMD components. As for “pangolin”, I think that’s just them reusing the model name that was previously used for this form factor in their lineup.
- oehtXRwMkIs 6y agoTeams: red - amd green - nvidia blue - intel
- alok99 6y agoThe three big CPU/GPU companies are often (between each other, at least) called Team Red, Green, and Blue - for AMD, Nvidia, and Intel.
- Uehreka 6y agoAmong CPU geeks “Team Red” means AMD. If you’re talking about their GPU competition then “Team Green” is Nvidia, and if you’re talking about their CPU competition “Team Blue” is Intel (and in American politics, Team Red generally would refer to the Republicans). I can’t speak to the aesthetics of the Bull or the odd choice of the mammal best known in the West for spreading Covid to humans as the version mascot, but hey, it’s original.
- eps 6y agoI am in Europe and it's the first time ever I hear about bulls spreading Covid to humans.
- laktak 6y agoCan you buy System76 laptops in Europe and what do you do if you need service?
- speedgoose 6y agoSystem76 laptops are based on Clevo products, a white label laptop manufacturer. https://www.clevo.com.tw/index-en.asp https://www.clevo.com.tw/index-en.asp You can find European Clevo assemblers such as LDLC in France or Multicom in Norway.
- fstephany 6y agoBeware that there could be some differences that can affect the experience: https://twitter.com/jeremy_soller/status/1322954964549824512 https://twitter.com/jeremy_soller/status/1322954964549824512
- Cu3PO42 6y agoOthers are Tuxedo [0] and XMG [1] in Germany. [0] https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/ https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/ [1] https://www.xmg.gg/ https://www.xmg.gg/
- MrFarelySquare 6y agoNot System76 but in the UK I got my Linux built Laptop from Entroware https://www.entroware.com/store/ https://www.entroware.com/store/ I've never had to contact them for support. It's been flawless from the get-go.
- wly_cdgr 6y agoYou can have 64gb of RAM but you can't have a 1080p webcam in 2020, AKA the year remote went mainstream
- gorgoiler 6y agoThis is exciting. I’m hoping to make my first System76 purchase this year. 1.6lbs is a lot but hopefully a lot of this is battery (I’m only used to mAh as a metric; how much is 49Wh?) I’m also interested to know the refresh rate on the display. An odd name given ground zero for the pandemic, but why not get a head start on rehabilitating the name?
- hmexx 6y ago49Wh is very small battery for a laptop, even a light one, which this one isn't particularly. So spec-wise not impressive. Not surprising as it's competing with some pretty big players with a lot of hardware expertise. For reference the LG Gram 15 has a 72Whr battery at 1.1kg. The current champ in 'battery size to weight ratio'. Most ultraportables have a 50-60Whr battery at around 1.3kg.
- aidenn0 6y agoAmps * Volts = Watts Watt-Hours are unambiguous units of energy, Amp hours are ambiguous without knowing the voltage. since you said mAh (milliamp-hours), I'm thinking you are talking about phone batteries which are typically in the 3.3-3.6V range depending on the chemistry, then 1000mAh would be 3.3-3.6Wh. As a comparison the Dell XPS 13 has a 52Wh battery, so it's not a very big battery. 49Wh is what the new MacBook Air has, but the Air has a much lower power CPU.
- satysin 6y agoJust to clear things up you mean 3.64 lbs (1.65kg). I saw 1.6 lbs and was like "woah that's well under 1kg for a 15" laptop!" I think 3.64 lbs (1.65kg) is perfectly acceptable for a 15" laptop, not the lightest but also not the heaviest. However 49Wh is on the low end for this size laptop imho. Granted it isn't having to put a HiDPI screen and hopefully the Ryzen is more energy efficient than Intel but I doubt it is going to be a show stopper in the battery life department.
- gorgoiler 6y agoYes, thanks for the clarity. I regret my imprecision.
- wly_cdgr 6y agoYou can have 64gb of RAM but you can't have a 1080p webcam :facepalm:
- saurabhnanda 6y agoLow value comment: WTF is with the marketing copy? Red, AMD, Bull, what?!
- greggyb 6y agoAMD is colloquially referred to as "Team Red" in computer hardware circles. Intel is "Team Blue" and Nvidia is "Team Green." The phrase "seeing red" is a fairly common idiom in my experience in American English. This refers to the matador's traditionally red sash used in bull fighting. Red is believed to draw inordinate amounts of bull attention and make them angry. The use of "seeing red" is a bit strange, as the idiom is typically associated with anger and a pending bull charge, potentially metaphorical. Thus, AMD -> Team Red -> seeing red -> bulls.
- sdfjkl 6y agoI can't deal with these 16:9 screens. Especially when almost all models have a plastic "chin" at the bottom of the screen where the missing pixels (to make it a full 16:10 screen) would be - there's clearly room for it, so put it there. 16:9 is optimized for watching video and not much else. Give me back my pixels. Luckily some vendors have finally begun to see the light on this issue (Dell XPS, Huawei Mate, LG Gram - Microsoft even goes 3:2).
- coldpie 6y agoMan I would love for 4:3 screens to make a comeback. The way things are going, I'm expecting 10,000,000x1 displays to be common in a few years.
- tsm 6y agoIt's astounding to me that nobody is making modern 4:3 screens. I made my Thinkpad T60 last far longer than it should've just because I didn't want to give up the aspect ratio.
- quells 6y agoI think the closest you can get is 3:2 on the Microsoft Surface line for modern laptops, which is even more vertical real estate.
- metalliqaz 6y agoactually that's slightly wider than 4:3 (1.5 vs 1.33)
- quells 6y agodoh, thanks
- gibspaulding 6y agoI really like 21x9 on the desktop since you can split it in half and be pretty close to two 4x3 monitors (1.16 vs 1.33).
- bitlevel 6y agoWas interested in a System76 laptop - no longer. US keyboard only, and "use stickers" for non-US? I'm out.
- stonecharioteer 6y agoI'm not American but I've used US styled keyboards forever but I fixed my touch typing a while ago after typing while hunting for keys for 16 years so I use blank keyboards everywhere. Not to disparage the need that you have but you should look into learning to touch type. Practice in the dark without keyboard backlight. It's hard enough to find a laptop that meets our needs these days, I can only imagine how hard it must be to also be looking for i8n.
- Cu3PO42 6y agoI believe you're being downvoted for two reasons: a) While touch typing is indeed a useful skill to have, suggesting that people shouldn't care about a certain feature because you can, in a sense, work around it, is missing the point. b) Keyboards aren't just different in how they are labeled. I know of the ANSI layout, which is present on this laptop, and the ISO layout, which is used in much of Europe, has a differently shaped Enter key and other differences. There might be other physical layouts I'm not aware of. I can touch type on an ISO keyboard, I can't on an ANSI keyboard. And frankly I'm not willing to adjust to a different layout just for my laptop.
- bitlevel 6y agoI switch between macOS (US International) and Windows (UK 88 Key), so I like to think I have a few skills. :D Also, I can touch type already (after far too many years of learning), but that obviates the necessity for allowing others the possibility to use my machine. Brave, I know...
- WhyNotHugo 6y agoHilarious. As if “stickers” will change the amount of keys the keyboard has and the shape of Enter and Backspace, etc. FWIW though, I do recommend trying out US English International. For programming it’s lovely (once you adapt, which is surprisingly fast), and you can also type German, Spanish and others on a single layout. It’s also the easiest to find from most manufacturers.
- ekianjo 6y ago> Camera 1.0M 720p HD Webcam Seriously are webcams going to ever improve on laptops?
- WhyNotHugo 6y agoI do wish laptop manufacturers would start making a “no speakers” edition. The only times I’ve used laptop speakers the last many years were by accident and unintentional. They’re something that I’ve never for several laptops I’ve owned, and just add space, cost and IMHO, bloat. I’m sure many people who use laptops mostly for work will agree here. Especially if you only use it around other people.
- stonecharioteer 6y agoGive me a laptop without speakers, without a camera, native Linux support, AMD CPU and GPU, with usb C charging, support for a fully functional dock with multimonitor support, Asus Zephyrus Pro Duo-style dual screens and, for the love of God, good battery backup. You will have my money.
- bigpeopleareold 6y agoOpen up the laptop and unplug the speakers :) ... unless the speaker connection in newer laptops are soldered on too. Of course that doesn't address the space issue.
- WhyNotHugo 6y agoYeah, I'm thinking more of a laptop engineering without one. That space could either be saved or used for extra battery. It also allows for dropping some extra circuits I'm sure.
- berkes 6y agoWith the circuits, you mean an amplifier? Because the Jack out will need the same signal as the speakers, but less amplified.
- WhyNotHugo 6y agoI'd be happy to see the jack dropped too, TBH. I've had bluetooth headsets since 2008.
- WhyNotHugo 6y agoA single USB-C port on a laptop is a hard dealbreaker nowadays.
- francislavoie 6y agoRight now I have an HP Spectre laptop that I'm running Linux on. It's showing its age as my daily-driver for work (only like 4 years old). It can manage to pump out the 3440x1440p60 signal over USB-C thunderbolt that I need, but just turning on youtube or a video call makes it slow to a crawl, it can barely keep up. I've been eyeing an upgrade to a Dell XPS because it ticks pretty much all the boxes for me, but it's Intel. I'd much rather go AMD, but thunderbolt support is a huuuge plus for me because I have a Dell monitor with USB-C that acts like a KVM. Button on the monitor to switch from my windows desktop to my linux laptop, swaps over all my USB devices at the same time, charges the laptop through the monitor; only one cable to do it all! It's AMAZING. So I'm wondering what kind of support for Displayport over USB-C this System76 laptop will have. I realize I won't be able to do the whole "one cable to do everything" approach here (omg can we please standardize on USB 4 already so everything can do this? gah!) but if I went in this direction, how much would I need to do to plug in everything?
- ancientworldnow 6y agoYou probably just need to reapply thermal paste to your current laptop and it will speed up dramatically. The paste only lasts a few years and then it's forced to throttle heavily under high workloads like videos.
- francislavoie 6y agoHmm. I would, but disassembling this thing doesn't seem like a fun time. But I need the upgrade anyways, I'm bottlenecked by certain aspects (16GB RAM but many of my workloads end up needing more, so my next laptop would need 32GB).
- nfoz 6y agoI am shopping for a laptop in this category. The first thing I look for is whether the touchpad has physical buttons. With every clickpad I've ever used, the chance of "misclick" is too high (and that my hands can't know if it thinks I clicked). And the impact of a misclick is too problematic especially on the modern web. My XPS 15 lets you choose tap-click or physical click-down of the pad, but to push the touchpad requires so much force that it's painful. So I have to use tap-click and it is a daily frustration. My MBP's touchpad is not so bad until I need to drag something, I've noticed I avoid interactions such as resizing that I do all the time with a mouse or a touchpad that has dedicated buttons. I know I'm in the minority but I don't even understand why we moved away from separated buttons, because I find them a joy to use.
- jeffhuys 6y ago> My MBP's touchpad is not so bad until I need to drag something, I've noticed I avoid interactions such as resizing that I do all the time with a mouse or a touchpad that has dedicated buttons. Did you know that you could use a macbook touchpad like it has buttons? I've noticed it with my mother and my girlfriend (separate entities for the record) when I got them a macbook when their windows-based laptops almost died: they couldn't get used to clicking and pointing with the same finger, and fell back to their old habits of having a finger on the bottom left of the pad, and clicking that finger if they wanted to click/drag something. So it kind-of knows what to ignore and what not to ignore / recognise intent of the user trying to do this. When you combine this with "bottom right click = right mouse button" you basically have what you want!
- Out_of_Characte 6y agoNo mention of an open Bios. I'm assuming this means it doesn't have an open Bios. Not even System76 could load open source bioses on these products appearantly, I imagine they at least tried and failed.
- fsflover 6y agoPurism's Librem laptops have Coreboot and neutralized Intel ME.
- temptemptemp111 6y agoThey should focus on hardware or software - not both!
- tubularhells 6y agoI'm not in love with the 1080p probably crappy screen. Not with their cpu choice. 8 cores 8 threads is such a gimped offering these days. I found just grab an AMD ThinkPad and have the same crappy screen with a superior keyboard and a range of CPU offerings.
- ilaksh 6y agoDoes anyone know if OpenCL or HIP work properly or with 4700U and Pop OS or Ubuntu?
- holstvoogd 6y agoI am not convinced by the value System76 adds. I love the idea of no intel me, not that is relevant here, and openboot etc. But the quality of their hardware (and OS) is just really not where it should be to justify the prices.
- acomjean 6y agoI’m a system76 customer. The basic value is it’s a Linux laptop that has the least amount of time involved with me trying to get it to work with this hardware or that. I can deal with installing software on Linux, it’s mucking with device drivers I don’t want to deal with. I’ll pay extra for this. I’ve been happy with it. It updates the os frequently (I’m using their popOS) with no issues.
- holstvoogd 6y agoYeah, I might have had unrealistic expectations when i bought the darter last year. I was just immediately disappointed with the flimsy plastics, tiny plastic touch pad and excessively bright rgb keyboard. Given that it is not that cheap, especially after importing it to the EU. From my perspective, I’ve paid 1700€ for a meh laptop with a crappy display and worse sound. That is mac book money.. Edit: and to be fair, it did just work out of the box and boots quick af!
- cyrialize 6y agoNext time you are looking for a linux laptop you should try to look into EU linux laptop companies. Many fans of S76 recommend doing that instead since importing is so expensive. I know a lot of people recommend TUXEDO Computers: https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/ https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/
- cyrialize 6y agoThis is pretty much the reason why I've been looking into S76. I want to game on my laptop too and it's nice knowing that S76 provides laptops that can game right away without any configuration needed. Many other gaming laptops I've looked at required a bunch of changes up front in order to work correctly on Linux - even then you may still run into issues. With S76 you know that you're getting a machine that will work with Linux 100%.
- cyrialize 6y agoI've been wanting to buy a System76 laptop for a LONG time now. For me, the increased markup is worth it knowing that I'll be able to get a laptop that runs Linux and plays video games with little to no configuration. What makes me hesitant is the build quality. I've seen enough comments online (and in this thread) with complaints about parts needing to be replaced. That being said, I want to note that System76 has great documentation on repairing their laptops. For example, here are the docs for the Oryx Pro 6: https://tech-docs.system76.com/models/oryp6/repairs.html https://tech-docs.system76.com/models/oryp6/repairs.html. It's pretty straightforward to upgrade the internals, replace parts, re-paste the CPU, etc. Repairability is an important factor for me, especially considering the next laptop I buy I'm going to use it for a while (I'm currently using a 2013 T530). Still, the complaints about needing to replace things makes me hesitate. It's nice for a machine to be easily repairable and upgradeable, but I don't want to invest so much money in a machine where I'll need to replace parts right away. Also, I imagine most people looking for a new laptop don't own the tools needed to repair nor are they comfortable with opening up a very expensive machine. Heck, I'm only comfortable with fiddling with my T530 because it's so cheap.
- geophile 6y agoWhat System76 lacks in build quality, they make up for with absolutely stellar support. I started with a Galago, that had a slight screen defect, (slightly yellow on one side). And I didn't like the 4k resolution. They offered me a choice: repair the screen (they pay shipping) or return for a refund so that I could buy the Darter (I pay shipping). I chose the latter, and I've been very happy. So while there is the occasional lemon, they stand behind their machines. And software support has been great, supporting me across obscure Linux problems, not-quite-baked OS upgrades, and pilot error.
- cyrialize 6y agoThanks, I'll keep that in mind. I'm this close to pulling the trigger on the Oryp6.
- lowbloodsugar 6y agoSpat my coffee out. That's not great customer service! They sent you a defective product, and then made you pay for returning it! WTF? Good customer service would be paying to ship the defective product back and then, once they have the laptop, selling you the laptop that you want. Or better yet, shipping you the one you want immediately.
- dangom 6y agoSo funny, I literally called their customer service about 2-3 weeks ago asking for exactly that. The use case is that for some software that runs psychophysics experiments, the timing accuracy is better on Linux computers running AMD with AMD graphics then on integrated graphics or NVIDIA discrete cards. See e.g. http://psychtoolbox.org/ http://psychtoolbox.org/ . Although it's easy to configure such a computer as a desktop, there aren't really any AMD only offers for laptops out there, at least not from big vendors, and especially not running Linux without issues. I suppose I must not have been the only one asking whether they had such an offering, and perhaps there are other use cases where such a config would be nice.
- cultofmetatron 6y agoI'm really hoping system76 comes out with an arm based linux alternative to the m1. Its disheartening that the best the linux community has right now in the arm laptop space is the pinebook pro.
- dsr_ 6y agoWell, first you need to have someone produce a SOC on a par with Apple's. Then you need a motherboard for a laptop, then you need the rest of the owl, and then System76 can sell it.
- brunoqc 6y ago"A laptop to die for"
- Symmetry 6y agoNow that IBM's patents have expired why aren't other vendors making laptops with trackpoints? It would be nice to be able to comparison shop and consider open source systems like this but for now I feel like I'm stuck.
- adamc 6y agoMaybe because many of us hate trackpoints?
- mjhagen 6y agoIt could still be an option.
- spijdar 6y agoMany do, just not the white-label manufacturers like Clevo that actually make these boutique Linux laptop brand designs. They're called different names, but same concept. HP has "PointStick", Dell has "TrackStick", etc.
- Symmetry 6y agoI've seen HPs and Dells with these but not in recent generations of laptops.
- spijdar 6y agoSeveral current Dell Precisions like the 7740 at least have the trackpoint nubs still. Almost all of the HP EliteBooks do as well -- the exceptions in both lines are the "thin and light" workstations. To your point, it looks like some Dell laptops have ditched the nubs in the 10th gen Intel ones, but up to at least the 9th gen Intel based ones still do, and HP doesn't seem to be giving up.
- jordache 6y agotrackpoints are horrible, even the thinkpad implementations suffer drift issues. Non-Apple manufactures need to really catch up and implement trackpads that are on-par with Apple
- luord 6y agoI'm still waiting for more news on the potential internally designed laptop they talked about last year. Thankfully, I'm pretty happy with the Gazelle I bought a couple of years ago from them, so I think I can keep holding out until they either confirm that new laptop or announce that it has been scrapped.
- ardy42 6y ago> Display 15.6″ 1920×1080 FHD, Matte Finish They really need to ship a 16:10 or a 3:2 screen. Those are for doing work, 16:9 is for watching movies and is way too short.
- sim_card_map 6y ago> Display 15.6″ 1920×1080 FHD, Matte Finish It's 2021 ffs... Can we get a high res display 9 years after apple's first retina macbook?
- RandyRanderson 6y agoEvery 2 or 3 years I think to myself: maybe this year? I check System and other laptop vendors in their tier. Disappointment. I'm sure there are a lot of economic issues that I don't understand but here is my request: . all the ram possible . pretty good CPU w/ lots of cores . a good keyboard (no numpad) . a good 4k-ish screen . a big battery (if you make this laptop, ppl will optimize the software to make it last) . decent speakers . is it too much to ask for a decent GPU? Overall: please just make a premium laptop and charge a lot. There are more ppl on the Internet like me than you realize. Things no one cares about: . thin
- syntaxing 6y agoI haven’t owned one but wouldn’t the Dell XPS series fit your description?
- zeryx 6y agoXPS are great but I would caution about poor thermal management, even after reseating the GPU and CPU cores it doesn't take much to hit the CPU temp limits with full fans.
- djsumdog 6y agoYea, I've always had trouble with XPS thermals. I've had two personal ones with thermal and battery issues and decided I wouldn't get another ... and then I got one for work and it has a lot of the same quirks. Not the best Linux machines honestly.
- ChuckNorris89 6y agoWe have XPS in our office and the 15 inch ones with 45W chips and nvidia graphics are a disaster. Over half of them have/had various issues: overheating, constant power/thermal throttling, sleep issues, trackpad issues, charging issues, HDMI issues, keyboard issues. One had its board replaced three times!!!. And we don't even stress them, just windows, IDEs and terminals, no rendering, no gaming. The warranty experience was great as a tech would always come to our office to perform replacements but I don't get how Dell makes any money on those with so much RMAs. If their QA is so bad on their most premium line, I shudder to think what the experience must be like with their cheaper devices.
- mikeyhew 6y agoAw man... and I just bought an Oryx Pro. Oh well, I guess this one doesn't come with coreboot and it's not even out yet - plus I think the Oryx Pro has a slightly faster processor?
- sergiotapia 6y agoThe webcam is disappointing.
- mraza007 6y agoCan anyone tell me how’s their experience has been with system76 laptops
- taauji 6y agoI once bought a System76 laptop. Spent quite some money on it as a student. It only lasted me 2 years. After that its chasis started to come apart, screen died and a few other things. System76 really seems like a good idea, but one bad experience is enough for me to spend my 1000$ on another brand. Thinkpad has been a much better experience so far