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AWS just went multi-cloud
- AlexB138 6y agoIsn't this the same thing Google is doing with Anthos and Azure is doing with Arc? As I understand it, those solutions are both wider in scope than this. I'm not entirely up to date on those, but this seems more like AWS half-heartedly following the pack than something new.
- forrestbrazeal 6y agoIt's very much new for AWS. Their messaging has always been incredibly exclusionary of other clouds. to the point where they've even prohibited their partners from using words like "multi-cloud, anycloud", etc.
- CoffeeDregs 6y agoFinally. I made a very similar suggestion to the ECS product manager about 5 years ago. We were moving from Mesos to ECS and I was losing the ability to manage Docker containers on our on-premises servers so I suggested allowing us to run the ECS Agent on our on-premises servers. This would allow us to centrally manage those servers and would get AWS into our on-prem infrastructure...
- brodouevencode 6y agoEKS Anywhere sounds promising, but I fear the data transfer charges between the two.
- maxmcd 6y agoYes is there an optimistic take on this problem? Any indication that something like AWS EKS multi-cloud will sidestep it? Every time I read one of these announcements I just shudder to think about how the costs will scale. Are most multi-cloud setups just very careful about intra-cloud data transfers?
- brodouevencode 6y agoWe are single cloud (effectively) and have been bitten by data transfer costs multiple times, so we're always looking out for it.
- heybrendan 6y agoPosts like these always seem buried in deep marketing lingo. Can anyone "in the know" ELI5 how this is different than Google Anthos? [1] If they are in fact similar, I can't help but be left wondering why ACG didn't devote at least a sentence or two to comparisons that already exist in the industry. [1] https://cloud.google.com/anthos https://cloud.google.com/anthos
- forrestbrazeal 6y agoThe post does mention Azure's Arc and Sentinel, but definitely should have called out Anthos specifically. The interesting part of this to me isn't so much that other solutions already exist -- Azure and GCP, due to their catch-up position, have always been far more conciliatory toward the reality of other cloud workloads than AWS. It's that AWS is signaling, however grudgingly, that they will have to play ball with other clouds in order to stay ahead. That's a big shift.
- heybrendan 6y agoThanks for pointing that out. Unfortunately, still no mention [in the post] of how Azure's Arc/Sentinel is different than what AWS has seemingly built here. And agreed, it's an interesting signal.
- gravitas 6y agoHi Forrest, hopefully constructive feedback - your choice of font color (rgb(74, 93, 133) I think) for text overtop #fff background is extremely washed out for me, not quite unreadable but heading in that direction. I might suggest a darker choice of font color for better readability, I just gave up trying to finish reading the article due to eye strain. Edit, screenshot: https://postimg.cc/kRmGmSJh https://postimg.cc/kRmGmSJh
- forrestbrazeal 6y agoThanks for this feedback - will share with the ACG design team.
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- julianozen 6y agoI wonder if Amazon’s theory here is that by offering multi-cloud support they can put decision makers at ease when choosing cloud vendors by making them feel like they’re not getting locked into AWS - but Amazon also expects most customers to mostly only use AWS out of convenience Disclaimer - I used to work for AWS
- rory_isAdonk 6y agoIs working at AWS hellish? Or once you get in it's just a normal job? I get its heavily dependent on the team, just wondering from your perspective.
- shitlord 6y agoAWS is huge, so YMMV across teams. Some teams have operational and funding issues, so your experience there may be hellish. You could think of it another way and realize that you have your work cut out for you. I previously worked on an AWS team like this and left because I got tired of the grind. On the other hand, a lot of teams are great places to work. Before I left AWS, I worked on a really good team with intelligent co-workers and interesting engineering challenges. It was like night and day - the team was over-funded and had very few operational issues.
- rory_isAdonk 6y agoThat's great to hear. Often online all you hear are the extremes at both ends. I hear that you're basically put on PIP as soon as you join, any truth to this?
- shitlord 6y agoI was never a manager so I don't know the official policies around dev lists and PIPs. Generally, new hires are given a few months to ramp up and become contributing team members. People are usually placed on the dev list if they don't meet expectations, and placed on a PIP if their performance does not improve. I'm guessing it reflects poorly on managers if they devlist someone shortly after hiring them. During my time at Amazon, I know only one person who was placed on a PIP and he was kind of a bad engineer. But I have heard stories of managers abusing the dev list to meet org-level dev list quotas.
- api 6y agoAll these multi-cloud things by the big clouds are more like ways of putting each big cloud in control of other clouds. They're more a way for them to fight over their center of gravity. A true multi-cloud solution would be cloud agnostic and independent.
- t_sawyer 6y agoHow do they charge egress for this?
- throwaway894345 6y agoIsn't EKS just Kubernetes with custom integrations for various AWS services? If so, how do you meaningfully bring EKS to another cloud without bringing those services? Does EKS call over the public Internet into those other AWS services (and thus lower latency, paying for network usage, etc)? If so, what's the advantage of running EKS anywhere other than on Amazon? Presumably with EKS you can already run your worker nodes on prem or on GCP or wherever, so is this just moving the masters over as well? If you're willing to run your other AWS services on AWS, what's the big advantage of running EKS outside of Amazon as well?
- nickthemagicman 6y agoGood questions. I'd guess you'd have to make interface pods for those services if possible maybe? Then before switching providers write new interface pods? Sounds easier said than done but I guess that's one option.
- vhold 6y agoThe EKS Distro blog post answers some of the questions. https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/introducing-amazon-eks-distro/ https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/introducing-amazon-e...
- abiro 6y agoDon’t read too much into this — they are just catching up with GCP and Azure here. AWS has a history of introducing half-assed products with great fanfare when the lack of such a product could be a disadvantage for customer acquisition (think Beanstalk, Cognito or Amplify).
- qz2 6y agoDon’t forget their ElasticSearch version. Now that is a shit show.
- finikytou 6y agowhat do you mean? they have customers using it in prod
- ComputerGuru 6y agoSo did MongoDB from day minus one.
- finikytou 6y agoWell mongodb is a much better product than it was a few years ago. not saying its a good one but... and aws elastic is just a fork of a stable elastic release. it makes sense if the cost is competitive
- dijit 6y agoThere are... quite a number of reasons you should give pause to the idea of running AWS hosted elastic. If you’re really up against the wall and don’t want to manage elasticsearch I would highly recommend getting the managed services from Elastic themselves. Support is decent and they’re cost competitive.
- biohax2015 6y ago> There are... quite a number of reasons you should give pause to the idea of running AWS hosted elastic. Care to share some of these reasons?
- djeiasbsbo 6y agoUnrelated but is ACG a good learning platform? I'm never sure with these types of platforms because I am not interested in any certifications and such, so it is hard to tell whether they just teach the stuff needed for these certifications and nothing more...
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- forrestbrazeal 6y agoACG employee here so grain of salt, etc - but I paid for an ACG subscription long before I worked there. My favorite piece of ACG actually isn't even the courses, but "Cloud Playground", which came over in the recent Linux Academy acquisition. [0] One-click AWS, Azure, or GCP sandbox environments. They're live for 4 hours on ACG's credit card and people sometimes assume they're just for doing course labs, but, like, you can use them for whatever. It's an end run around sandbox account procurement in a business context, or a safeguard against leaving an expensive resource running for personal experimentation. [0] https://help.acloud.guru/hc/en-us/articles/360001477955-Cloud-Playground-FAQ https://help.acloud.guru/hc/en-us/articles/360001477955-Clou...
- count 6y agoLicensing and selling the 'don't cost us a million bucks in 4 hours' code monitoring (I hope!) that stuff on the backside would be welcomed by maaaaany large organizations :)
- atwebb 6y agoYep, I love that feature and they provide a grandfather / lock in policy for accounts. It isn't a perfect platform but the breadth and centralization has been great and the communication following the acquisition has been good. It is well worth the cost of entry. The demos are valuable as well since they start you with certain infrastructure and you can focus on the drill/demo. I would love to see some of the Terraform/Cloudformation templates that go into these products...
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- nautilus12 6y agoDon't be fooled, this isn't AWS collaborating, this is AWS working its way into its competitors business. Its a trojan horse.
- bg24 6y agoWho does not do that :-)
- scarface74 6y agoYou mean other companies don’t do things that will ultimately benefit them?
- momokoko 6y agoIs there any information about any changes to egress that I missed?
- lwitt51 6y agoCan someone comment on what does this mean for VMware? On one hand this supports their new vSphere offering, but on the other it provides a competition for managed Kubernetes clusters. In the FAQ they write "Adding bare-metal support will address customer desire to eliminate the license cost and operational overhead of managing VMware." But is this really going to happen with enterprises running on bare metal serves? Seems rather unrealistic.
- gigatexal 6y agoIs this similar to or a response to Google‘a Anthos?
- CivBase 6y agoHow long before someone releases a multi-multi-cloud solution so that we don't have to lock ourselves into a particular vendor's multi-cloud solution?
- juancn 6y agoIt feels like a commoditize the competition strategy. Essentially the single deployment structure makes your competitors impossible to differentiate other than on price, while still being the access point to the cloud.
- karambahh 6y agoThere has been a player in "AWS compatible workloads" for quite some time, the french company Outscale: https://us.outscale.com/products/compute/aws-compatible-cloud/ https://us.outscale.com/products/compute/aws-compatible-clou... They have PoPs in several "exotic" locations, but I'm not entirely sure the list is public. They also run AWS-compatibles clouds for state actors.
- jeffrogers 6y agoFor whatever else this move does for Amazon, it probably also helps the optics around current “anti-trust” issues.
- Lapsa 6y agowtf multi-cloud
- renewiltord 6y agoThis is Anthos for AWS, right? Makes sense. The kube primitives are pretty good.