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From the article's conclusion... "The M1 undisputedly outperforms the core performance of everything Intel has to offer, and battles it with AMD’s new Zen3, win
by CapriciousCptl 6y ago
From the article's conclusion... "The M1 undisputedly outperforms the core performance of everything Intel has to offer, and battles it with AMD’s new Zen3, winning some, losing some. And in the mobile space in particular, there doesn’t seem to be an equivalent in either ST or MT performance – at least within the same power budgets."
This is the first in-depth review validating all the hype. Assuming the user experience, Rosetta2 things, first generation pains, kernel panics, are all in-check, it's amazing. At this point I'm mostly interested in the Air's performance with its missing fan.
- desireco42 6y agoYeah me too. I expect that there will be another release sometime next year with updated "package". It is cool that they put it in old Air box, but I think I can wait for better camera, overall package. By that time it will be clearer all the benefits and issues that come with it. I wouldn't mind plastic edition of MacBook /w M1. Aluminum and metal overall, not the best for everyday use. I prefer "warmer" feel of plastic, like ThinkPad for example.
- luto 6y agoI can't find that quote or even the words "undisputedly" or "Zen3" in the article. Was it changed or, if it wasn't, can you give me a pointer, please?
- chrismorgan 6y agoAnandTech split some articles onto multiple pages. The print view gets you the whole article on one page, so I rather prefer it: https://www.anandtech.com/print/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-tested https://www.anandtech.com/print/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-test...
- jdeibele 6y agoAs I remember, they charged a membership fee for being able to download the whole article as a PDF. It seemed somewhat reasonable that an article that would be passed around the department or on to your boss would require a fee. I can't find any mention of it on their website, though. Am I getting my websites confused or did they drop it altogether?
- porphyra 6y agoWow, I never knew about the print view. It's way more readable, and the lack of comments section makes it quite fast to load despite the very long page. The tiny drop-down menu in the default view is very hard to discover and quite annoying to click on (many other review sites, like Phoronix, have similar annoying drop-downs).
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- fxtentacle 6y agoThat conclusion is quite misleading, in my opinion. They write "outperforms the core performance" and the keyword here is "core". What they mean is that if one had a single-core Zen3 and a single-core M1, then the M1 would win some and lose some. But in the real world, most Zen3 CPUs will have 2x or more cores, thus they'll be 2x to 4x faster. So what they mean to say is that they praise Apple for having amazing per-core performance. But it kind of sounds as if the M1 had competitive performance overall, which is incorrect.
- piyh 6y agoIt bodes really well for future chips with higher power budgets. The Pro seems a bit underwhelming for what it could be though.
- bonestamp2 6y agoOn performance, ya I agree. Although, they basically doubled the battery life over the previous generation so that alone might be worthwhile for some users. I think we'll see an additional higher end Macbook Pro 13" when they start to release Apple Silicon models with discrete GPUs.
- Tagbert 6y agoThat new MacBook Pro replaces the low end of the Pro line which had a slower CPU and only 2 ports. I would expect that, when Apple brings out their next iteration of chips, they would target the higher end of the Pro line with more cores and ports along with higher RAM capacities.
- SulfurHexaFluri 6y agoI'm guessing they also want devs of tools like docker to finish porting their software before they switch the rest of the macbooks over.
- arvinsim 6y agoThey only need to add 2 ports to the Pro to differentiate it from the Air.
- kllrnohj 6y ago> At this point I'm mostly interested in the Air's performance with its missing fan. I think the clear store here is that the Air will definitely be slower than the rest over time. This isn't a 10W SoC, clearly, so it definitely can't run at its best while being passively cooled. How it behaves when throttled will be interesting for sure though.
- pwthornton 6y agoIt looks like it only begins to throttle after 8.5 minutes of sustained high loads — like exporting 4K video. In a lot of day-to-day work that is much more peaks and valleys, you may never see the throttling.
- kllrnohj 6y agoSeeing reddit reports of gaming throttling more quickly than that, which would make sense since the GPU is going to sit at or near 100% pretty easily with a game and you'll still be seeing a decent CPU load.
- SulfurHexaFluri 6y agoThe macbook air is probably the worst machine you can think of for gaming. Even without the M1 you won't have a great time. Its the perfect machine for students because it can last all day in a browser and word.
- dharma1 6y agolink?
- thamer 6y agohttps://youtu.be/XQ6vX6nmboU?t=115 https://youtu.be/XQ6vX6nmboU?t=115
- testfoobar 6y agoChrome and 20-50 tabs, and my Intel Macbook can be used as a blow dryer. Assuming Chrome's power needs don't change, it seems that the only way to control for overheating an M1 is going to be throttling down - slowing everything down. Curious how M1 machines feel during day to day usage.
- megablast 6y agoChrome is just awful on a mac. I am not sure why anyone uses it. FF is much nicer to use.
- markholmes 6y agoI’ve been using Safari as my daily driver for some time and it’s quite nice to use. Don’t be afraid to give it another chance.
- sumedh 6y agoDoes Safari have extensions like Ad Blocker and does it have good developer tools?
- aculver 6y ago1. Yes, it does. I use AdBlock Pro. 2. Yes, it does. I've been using Safari as my primary browser as a Rails developer for at least the past decade and have always found the developer tools at least adequate. I don't use the developer tools on other browsers heavily, so I don't know if I might be missing something.
- wildrhythms 6y ago[Edit] I'm wrong about this- "Adblock Pro no longer exists for Safari (in the form of an "official" extension)." It still exists, as "AdBlock Pro for Safari" developed by Crypto, Inc. but was not listed on Apple's extension site for some strange reason: https://apps.apple.com/us/story/id1377753262 https://apps.apple.com/us/story/id1377753262 The listed adblocker is: "AdBlock for Safari" developed by BETAFISH INC, which offers in-app purchases including "Gold Upgrade" which "unlocks" some basic features that gorhill's uBlock Origin already has for every other browser. https://help.getadblock.com/support/solutions/articles/6000220558-gold-upgrade-for-the-adblock-for-safari-mac-app https://help.getadblock.com/support/solutions/articles/60002... Not switching until there are some better options for this.
- spacenick88 6y agoAs for kernel panics, with iOS likely sharing most if not all of it's kernel code with macOS I'd be surprised if Apple hasn't had an iPhone macOS build since before they released the first iPhone.
- saagarjha 6y agoiPhoneOS was basically Mac OS X.
- paulpan 6y agoUnsung hero here is TSMC and their industry-leading 5nm fabrication node. Apple deserves praise for its SOC architecture on the M1 and putting it together, but the manufacturing advantage is worth noting. Apple is essentially combining the tick (die/node shrink) and tock (microarchitecture) cadences together each year, at least the past 2-3 years. The question, perhaps a moot one, is how much the performance gains can be attributed to either? The implication is that the % improvement due to tick is available to other TSMC customers, such as AMD, Qualcomm, Nvidia, and maybe even Intel. We'd have to wait until next year (or 2022) once AMD puts Zen4 on 5nm and see an apple-to-apples comparison on the per thread performance. But of course by then Apple will be on TSMC 3nm or beyond... EDIT: confused myself with tick and tock
- car 6y agoWorth mentioning is the insane and disruptive technology making TSMC's 5nm possible. ASML and it's suppliers have built a machine[1] that has a sci-fi feel to it. It took decades to get it all right, from the continous laser source to the projection optics for the extreme ultraviolet light[2]. This allowed photolithography to jump from 193nm light to 13.5nm, very close to x-rays. The CO2 laser powering the EUV light source is made by Trumpf[3]. Edit:More hands-on video from Engadget about EUV at Intels Oregon facility[4] [1]https://www.asml.com/en/products/euv-lithography-systems/twinscan-nxe3400c https://www.asml.com/en/products/euv-lithography-systems/twi... [2]https://youtu.be/f0gMdGrVteI https://youtu.be/f0gMdGrVteI [3]https://www.trumpf.com/en_US/solutions/applications/euv-lithography/ https://www.trumpf.com/en_US/solutions/applications/euv-lith... [4]https://youtu.be/oIiqVrKDtLc https://youtu.be/oIiqVrKDtLc
- dmix 6y agoThanks for the great links / resources. Those machines look insanely complicated. I can just imagine how they get shipped to Taiwan and elsewhere (they apparently cost $120M each in 2010 [1]). A bit offtopic but I've always found it amusing that a form of lithography, of all things, is fundamentally powering our tech revolution for decades. Especially after a girl I knew learned lithography in an art class, watching her do it in a primitive form, which inspired me to read about it's history in art and professional uses (signage, etc). That combined with vacuum tubes (which also rank high up there in the revolution thing) are the two things I one day wish to learn how they really work. Not just surface level nodding along. [1] https://www.eetimes.com/euv-tool-costs-hit-120-million/ https://www.eetimes.com/euv-tool-costs-hit-120-million/
- Aperocky 6y agoOn the air now. Launched Kerbal Space Program without a problem, loading mods now..
- MobileVet 6y agoIt’s not super technical, but Engadget did some benchmarking of the Air. Similarly impressive https://www.engadget.com/apple-macbook-air-m1-review-140031323.html https://www.engadget.com/apple-macbook-air-m1-review-1400313...