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This really flips the argument that Mac hardware is overpriced and underpowered on its head. Now Apple computers are a premium product from a performance perspe
by faitswulff 6y ago
This really flips the argument that Mac hardware is overpriced and underpowered on its head. Now Apple computers are a premium product from a performance perspective, as well.
- silly-silly 6y agoIts not though, The 16 inch has known performance bottlenecks on both thermal and power draw.
- Diesel555 6y agoSource please? Honestly curious, on one now.
- gjsman-1000 6y agoThat's disputed. But when they get around to updating that 16-inch next year, holy smokes.
- arthurcolle 6y agoTell me more, I'm dying to go to the Apple Store and get this replaced.
- silly-silly 6y agoStart adobe premier, any significantly complex scene and render it. The system will throttle down to 1.2ghz, sometimes even 1 ghz . I'm testing on is the 2019 core i9 2.3 ghz. Apple "Genius" bar tells me this is expected, no replacement in warranty. Maybe the 2020 is better, but after getting this as an answer I wont be buying another apple macbook. The prior 2018 Core i9 Apple MacBook Pro had previous issues with insufficient power supply to the CPU core (this might be fixed, but I can't even sustain it due to thermal throttling, so I can't really tell).
- gazelleeatslion 6y agoSo performant premium that I’m thinking of calling Apple about my MBP preorder and switching it to the Air. Last thing I need is a MacBook Air equivalent with an unnecessarily loud and annoying fan.
- whalesalad 6y agoI would. It’s the same chip in every device. Plus, having owned one of each, the chassis of the Air cannot be beat.
- gazelleeatslion 6y agoWaiting for some more information. Fan noise on any MBP is Hell and out of control. Hoping this brings back to normal. So happy Apple is dumping Fantel chips
- lostlogin 6y agoAn air with 2 plugs on each side would beat it. Bonus points if MagSafe returned.
- whalesalad 6y agoI don’t miss MagSafe. A good external monitor will charge the Mac and serve as a usb/thunderbolt hub.
- tedk-42 6y agoHang on, you're swapping a AS MBP for an AS MBA because you think the fan noise will be an issue with the MBP? If anything, it's a bonus to have the fan so your can have prolonged boost performance while the MBA chip will throttle under continuous load.
- gazelleeatslion 6y agoAny MBP with Fantel chips (brand new, no dust) is so quick to just gun it with the fan noise - slack, chrome, electron apps, second monitor. I think I would rather take a small performance hit and some heat than have Apple quick to pull the trigger with a fan blasting noise as I’m trying to focus (if yield comparable stats). Will wait for more info. If this chip is really that much more efficient hopefully we are back to the good old days where MBP fan is tolerable. Otherwise I’m all in on Air
- chrysoprace 6y agoDoes it? The article is comparing Apple products, instead of comparing an Apple product to an equivalent performer from a competitor. It's not really Apples to Apples (even if it is in name), so to speak.
- jaykru 6y agoIt's comparing Apple Silicon to Intel silicon (in an Apple product), which is apples to oranges to me.
- hobby-coder-guy 6y agoWhy?
- ProAm 6y ago> This really flips the argument that Mac hardware is overpriced and underpowered on its head. This doesn't excuse years behavior not respecting their customers on (price + performance) divided by bugs.
- jxi 6y agoYou make it sound like that was intentional rather than just a company having to pick it's focus and not being able to cater to every person's complaints.
- willio58 6y agoCustomers seem to be pretty happy with Apple in general so I can’t imagine they feel disrespected by the price and performance.
- fiddlerwoaroof 6y agoI’ve done this exercise a couple times: pick a random Apple laptop configuration and find an equivalent from another vendor: they’re frequently so close price-wise it doesn’t matter (depends on what you want, but I’m willing to pay $200 or so for macOS and not having to deal with Linux power management.)
- ProAm 6y agoThere was a period of time where the laptops were not updated for almost 5 years and the price didnt change. No one remembers the past
- michaelmrose 6y agoShouldn't we wait for non synthetic benchmarks to be performed by third parties running real applications? We could even compare some cross platform apps across both OS and cpu and see how the total package performs.
- kccqzy 6y agoI've personally found Geekbench results representative of real time workloads. So do more traditional benchmarks like SPECint.
- michaelmrose 6y agoFantastic since many pieces of kit have been released to the public wherein both geekbench and more traditional measurements of actual performance exist can you point out some instance where real benchmarks are well correlated with differences in geekbench score?
- sirn 6y agoAnandtech has done SPECint on A14 and result is consistent with what we've seen from M1 on Geekbench. It's not the same CPU, but they share the same Firestorm/Icestorm cores. https://www.anandtech.com/show/16226/apple-silicon-m1-a14-deep-dive/4 https://www.anandtech.com/show/16226/apple-silicon-m1-a14-de...
- faitswulff 6y agoJudging by upward trajectory of their processors’ performance (https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16226/perf-trajectory.png https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16226/perf-trajectory.png) and their dominance in mobile, it seems like only a matter of time.
- ekianjo 6y agoSo we trust Geekbench over actual user testing now?
- soneil 6y agoI think it's more that we want information today and we don't have actual user testing today. And we're all guilty of this - why else did we click when the machines are still pre-order.
- Existenceblinks 6y agoIn my perspective, the underpowered part has always been graphic card though.
- torbital 6y agoBut now they are locking down their software hard. So there is really no free lunch.
- the_lucifer 6y agoSomeone here posted when the M1 powered Macs launched that they're essentially ASICs now and that made me do a double take. Since you cannot change the operating systems anymore, aren't these essentially ASICs?
- asimpletune 6y agoNot even close. An ASIC is a program on a chip. These are still general purpose, programmable computing machines.
- qeternity 6y agoAn FPGA is a program on a chip. An ASIC is literally just a chip. Calling the M1 an ASIC is insulting to the Apple hardware team.
- guax 6y agoYes, M1 is not just a chip, is a magical piece of the rib of steve jobs himself. I agree though its not an ASIC even though it have ASIC things inside of it, just like any other modern processor. It is much more complete SoC then other procs which makes its performance even more impressive if this indications hold up, I am still very skeptical, nothing comes for free and the real world is a b
- zaro 6y agoASIC stands for application specific, and since thei IC is application specific - used only in certain hardware along certain software, it's kind of correct to call it ASIC.
- rusticpenn 6y ago
- jariel 6y agoThis is salient, and almost upsetting frankly as I (and others?) have been looking for a 'way off' the platform after years of grievance. This is might just be good enough to keep their core platform value in place. It's a shrewd move in their part, it's been a while since we've seen this level of core innovation on their non-iOS offers.
- acomjean 6y agoIt’s a huge problem for open computing to be sure. This isn’t risk free, issues having to do with supply and process and frankly geopolitics can cause problems. But it looks like they’re off to a good start.
- hackerfromthefu 6y agoI'd expect their performance features, such as the wide execution and L2 etc, to be copied by amd/intel within a couple of years.
- bsaul 6y agosame feeling here. It seems that we'll soon have to choose between freedom on one side vs performance ( inaddition to good UX, which is today's tradeoff). i was hoping for a good ios opensource replacement, i guess now i'll soon have to wait for a good laptop competitor as well. I feel like i'm stuck in a jail made out of gold.
- totalZero 6y agoNot quite. You can't synthetically compare one chip to another and draw organic conclusions. Apple computers with M1 don't support the software that I use. That's why I bought a fully spec'd Intel MBP13 today. All this talk about battery life and benchmarks gets flipped on its head when I can't use the product in the real world.
- manojlds 6y agoIsn't there Rosetta that they talked about?
- 0x008 6y agoAnd with rosetta it is certainly slower than running it native on x86
- manojlds 6y agoMaybe, maybe not? https://twitter.com/Catfish_Man/status/1326238434235568128 https://twitter.com/Catfish_Man/status/1326238434235568128
- totalZero 6y agoIt's an emulator, not a panacea. "Rosetta is meant to ease the transition to Apple silicon, giving you time to create a universal binary for your app. It is not a substitute for creating a native version of your app.” https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple_silicon/about_the_rosetta_translation_environment https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple_silicon/abou...
- manojlds 6y agoIt's a stop gap yes, but I am replying to someone that said their apps will not run on these new machines. And check my reply to a sibling comment where people are finding cases where Rosetta is faster than native.
- AntiImperialist 6y agoThey have 5nm chips because they essentially outbid everyone else from doing so at this time and bought all of the production capacity from TSMC for themselves. They could do that because they've been selling overpriced products.
- patrec 6y ago> Now Apple computers [...] Apple no longer sells computers. You can rent some shiny gizmo from them to run software of their choosing provided by people they deign to allow on their platform and in a manner they approve of¹. It's not really yours anymore. ¹ "But you can still do X". Well, and last year you could still do W, and the year before that V.
- wishysgb 6y agowait for it. this all sounds too good to be true. I would love it if it was and I will be the first to get a Mac but it doesn't sound true.