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Here's a doctor's tweet from today about a young male that got reinfected after 7 months. EcMO machine, full bipass and 3 heart restarts. NSFW link to twitte

Here's a doctor's tweet from today about a young male that got reinfected after 7 months. EcMO machine, full bipass and 3 heart restarts. NSFW link to twitter: Not much scares me in this life. But just saw my first COVID reinfection this full moon Halloween & I am fucking shook. 20-something yo w/ massive PE, coded, TPA, ECMO in ED, hemorrhage, 3 code carts, methylene blue, PRBCs. Praying for them and their family And for all of us. https://t.co/T0YqmVxLx8 https://t.co/T0YqmVxLx8

jaywalk 6y ago
Yeah, looking at more of his tweets, that guy seems like a Covid fear monger.
- craftinator 6y ago
  Unless you're the person who has a second infection or the doctor who has to deal with this life and death situation, then yeah, fear mongering... But the other side to this is that if the reinfection is due to the virus mutating into a more virulent state, then it's MORE likely to propagate as that virulent state, meaning more and more COVID19 infected people's will be open to reinfection over time.
  - ethbr0 6y ago
    https://nextstrain.org/sars-cov-2 https://nextstrain.org/sars-cov-2
nradov 6y ago
With millions of cases worldwide there will always be some statistical outliers. Those are individually tragic, but not very relevant to most of us. The best estimate for infection fatality rate in the 20 - 49 age group is only 0.02%. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scena...
- neuronic 6y ago
  It's hard to talk about this because a) these cases are real and scary but b) these cases are proven outliers amplified by crazy fearmongering media and the likes of redditors who don't stop to understand statistics. What we need is a more reasonable approach to all of this, especially regarding the fact that COVID will be endemic. We need to deal with this fact. But we also need better reporting since death is not the only bad consequence of COVID-19. It isn't even just limited to health.
  - LeCow 6y ago
    Those cases aren't scary, they're expected. Some people die from diseases and some people have long term effects. It's not anything more than a novel virus.
    - neuronic 6y ago
      They are still scary due to the way they are portrayed to people. You could probably inject a million people with medical grade saline and still see some crazy reactions. Many of the long term issues described for COVID already messed up my life as a result of Epstein-Barr 14 years ago (brain fog, fatigue). Post-viral syndrome is real and now it's getting some public attention for the first time.
TaupeRanger 6y ago
Scary anecdote but not particularly helpful in trying to get a picture of the overall situation.
refurb 6y ago
I've noticed with Covid is that there is a lot of attention to edge cases with folks implying that the scenario is common. That's a very alarmist approach. Hundreds (thousands?) of healthy people gets the flu in the US every year and die from it. Not because they have a comorbidity, they just have a really bad reaction to the flu. But we don't assume that those edge cases are the most typical course of disease. Yes, you may be one of those really unlucky ones that die from a normally non-fatal disease, but the risk of that is pretty low.
- gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
  This is how social media works; keep people engaged and cause them to experience large swings in emotion. So as with almost everything nowadays (e.g. look up police brutality statistics and compare to common perception re: pervasiveness), the formula is simple: paint an exciting/horrifying view of reality by sensationalizing rare events.
- xienze 6y ago
  > Hundreds (thousands?) of healthy people gets the flu in the US every year and die from it. Way off! Tens of millions catch and tens of thousands die from the flu every single year in the US. And that's with a vaccine! You probably didn't know that though because news stations don't have rolling infection and death counters going 24/7 during flu season.
  - refurb 6y ago
    That's true. In 2018, ~80,000 Americans died from the flu. However, most of those had some comorbidity that exacerbated the course of the flu. When I mentioned hundreds or thousands, I'm talking about healthy, young people dying of the flu. It's rare, but it does happen. My point is that we don't look at those cases and assume that how the flu affects everyone.
Reason077 6y ago
Covid has apparently caused this poor patient to bleed out all over the bed/gurney! Seems legit.
- maxerickson 6y ago
  The claim is that they had a lung clot and needed to be connected to a breathing machine, resulting in all the blood. If Covid is causing lung clots, it's not unreasonable to attribute the treatment required to deal with them to Covid.
just-juan-post 6y ago
Hello friend! Did you know about China's active role global Covid-19 propaganda? They have a huge misinformation campaign going on right now! Let's learn together! China’s Global Lockdown Propaganda Campaign https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/china-covid-lockdown-propaganda https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/china-covid...
thehappypm 6y ago
Tens of millions of cases, there are going to be a few outliers. Unless it starts happening at a statistically meaningful rate, these are just unfortunate one-offs.
phamilton4 6y ago
Why doesn't anyone question the ECMO machines? I'm definitely no doctor, but as a software engineer if my system failed 30-40% of the time I'd stop using it. Last I read they have 30-40% instance of internal bleeding with many other TERRIBLE things as a side effect of all the blood thinners and other pharmaceuticals needed to use the machine. I really find it hard to believe that COVID caused the PE, hemorrhage, etc. that ultimately put an end to that young man's life. Read about it here: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaneurology/fullarticle/1107939 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaneurology/fullarticle/1...
- timr 6y ago
  "Why doesn't anyone question the ECMO machines? I'm definitely no doctor, but as a software engineer if my system failed 30-40% of the time I'd stop using it." ECMO is a hail-mary treatment for people who would almost certainly die otherwise. A 40% chance of death is better than a 99% chance of death. What you're saying here actually happened with ventilators (though ventilators are nowhere nearly as invasive or complex as ECMO).
mlindner 6y ago
Looks like FUD. I wouldn't trust this type of information coming from Twitter.

jaywalk 6y ago

Yeah, looking at more of his tweets, that guy seems like a Covid fear monger.

craftinator 6y ago
Unless you're the person who has a second infection or the doctor who has to deal with this life and death situation, then yeah, fear mongering... But the other side to this is that if the reinfection is due to the virus mutating into a more virulent state, then it's MORE likely to propagate as that virulent state, meaning more and more COVID19 infected people's will be open to reinfection over time.
- ethbr0 6y ago
  https://nextstrain.org/sars-cov-2 https://nextstrain.org/sars-cov-2

nradov 6y ago

With millions of cases worldwide there will always be some statistical outliers. Those are individually tragic, but not very relevant to most of us. The best estimate for infection fatality rate in the 20 - 49 age group is only 0.02%. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scena...

neuronic 6y ago
It's hard to talk about this because a) these cases are real and scary but b) these cases are proven outliers amplified by crazy fearmongering media and the likes of redditors who don't stop to understand statistics. What we need is a more reasonable approach to all of this, especially regarding the fact that COVID will be endemic. We need to deal with this fact. But we also need better reporting since death is not the only bad consequence of COVID-19. It isn't even just limited to health.
- LeCow 6y ago
  Those cases aren't scary, they're expected. Some people die from diseases and some people have long term effects. It's not anything more than a novel virus.
  - neuronic 6y ago
    They are still scary due to the way they are portrayed to people. You could probably inject a million people with medical grade saline and still see some crazy reactions. Many of the long term issues described for COVID already messed up my life as a result of Epstein-Barr 14 years ago (brain fog, fatigue). Post-viral syndrome is real and now it's getting some public attention for the first time.

TaupeRanger 6y ago

Scary anecdote but not particularly helpful in trying to get a picture of the overall situation.

refurb 6y ago

I've noticed with Covid is that there is a lot of attention to edge cases with folks implying that the scenario is common. That's a very alarmist approach. Hundreds (thousands?) of healthy people gets the flu in the US every year and die from it. Not because they have a comorbidity, they just have a really bad reaction to the flu. But we don't assume that those edge cases are the most typical course of disease. Yes, you may be one of those really unlucky ones that die from a normally non-fatal disease, but the risk of that is pretty low.

gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
This is how social media works; keep people engaged and cause them to experience large swings in emotion. So as with almost everything nowadays (e.g. look up police brutality statistics and compare to common perception re: pervasiveness), the formula is simple: paint an exciting/horrifying view of reality by sensationalizing rare events.
xienze 6y ago
> Hundreds (thousands?) of healthy people gets the flu in the US every year and die from it. Way off! Tens of millions catch and tens of thousands die from the flu every single year in the US. And that's with a vaccine! You probably didn't know that though because news stations don't have rolling infection and death counters going 24/7 during flu season.
- refurb 6y ago
  That's true. In 2018, ~80,000 Americans died from the flu. However, most of those had some comorbidity that exacerbated the course of the flu. When I mentioned hundreds or thousands, I'm talking about healthy, young people dying of the flu. It's rare, but it does happen. My point is that we don't look at those cases and assume that how the flu affects everyone.

Reason077 6y ago

Covid has apparently caused this poor patient to bleed out all over the bed/gurney! Seems legit.

maxerickson 6y ago
The claim is that they had a lung clot and needed to be connected to a breathing machine, resulting in all the blood. If Covid is causing lung clots, it's not unreasonable to attribute the treatment required to deal with them to Covid.

just-juan-post 6y ago

Hello friend! Did you know about China's active role global Covid-19 propaganda? They have a huge misinformation campaign going on right now! Let's learn together! China’s Global Lockdown Propaganda Campaign https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/china-covid-lockdown-propaganda https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/china-covid...

thehappypm 6y ago

Tens of millions of cases, there are going to be a few outliers. Unless it starts happening at a statistically meaningful rate, these are just unfortunate one-offs.

phamilton4 6y ago

Why doesn't anyone question the ECMO machines? I'm definitely no doctor, but as a software engineer if my system failed 30-40% of the time I'd stop using it. Last I read they have 30-40% instance of internal bleeding with many other TERRIBLE things as a side effect of all the blood thinners and other pharmaceuticals needed to use the machine. I really find it hard to believe that COVID caused the PE, hemorrhage, etc. that ultimately put an end to that young man's life. Read about it here: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaneurology/fullarticle/1107939 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaneurology/fullarticle/1...

timr 6y ago
"Why doesn't anyone question the ECMO machines? I'm definitely no doctor, but as a software engineer if my system failed 30-40% of the time I'd stop using it." ECMO is a hail-mary treatment for people who would almost certainly die otherwise. A 40% chance of death is better than a 99% chance of death. What you're saying here actually happened with ventilators (though ventilators are nowhere nearly as invasive or complex as ECMO).

mlindner 6y ago

Looks like FUD. I wouldn't trust this type of information coming from Twitter.