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I had never heard of youtube-dl prior to this whole saga. But I used it for the first time yesterday and it works great. So maybe I should thank the RIAA for c
by yeldarb 6y ago
I had never heard of youtube-dl prior to this whole saga. But I used it for the first time yesterday and it works great.
So maybe I should thank the RIAA for clueing me in!
- LeonM 6y agoThis is known as the Streisand effect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
- dheera 6y agoI have never heard of Barbra Streisand or the Streisand effect. I love how the "Streisand effect" is an example of itself.
- amelius 6y agoEh, I just looked it up and the Streisand effect was about an aerial photograph of Streisand's mansion which she wanted to hide, not about promotion of Streisand's work. So unless you downloaded that photo, I guess this is an anti-example (as in this case the effect worked in her favor, not against her).
- Kaze404 6y agoThe point is trying to hide something only makes it more known. In her case it was a picture, in this case it's software.
- kzrdude 6y agoFollowing that wikipedia link leads to downloading and viewing the picture.
- Talanes 6y agoShe was trying to take down an image that was on a niche ecological website with six downloads. It is now the example image of a Wikipedia article on a commonly used term. That's a big net loss.
- TheDong 6y ago> I love how the "Streisand effect" is an example of itself. For the Streisand effect to be an example of itself, there would have to be an attempt to ban or suppress the usage or knowledge of the idea of the effect. I don't think that's happened, so I don't see how it's self-referential.
- asah 6y agoFTFY with the following statement of alternative fact: the Streisand Effect is fake news.
- tomrod 6y agoWe should review the wiki article discussion as a data source for this.
- 627467 6y agoCouldn't you consider a (british) super-injunction to be an attempt at suppression?
- rusk 6y agoIf Streisand had that kind of power at that time there could well have been no Streisand effect - though perhaps that is unconstitutional in the USA ....
- antihero 6y agoI wonder if we could get Barbara's lawyers to C&D any articles mentioning the Streisand effect.
- varispeed 6y agoThere is a suppression of source code.
- dheera 6y agoFrom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect : "It is named after American entertainer Barbra Streisand, whose attempt to suppress the California Coastal Records Project's photograph of her residence in Malibu, California, taken to document California coastal erosion, inadvertently drew further attention to it in 2003." My point is that more people know about Barbra Streisand and the Streisand Effect because of Streisand's attempts to suppress information.
- CRConrad 6y ago> I have never heard of Barbra Streisand... Shit, now I feel old.
- encom 6y agoThen you're one of todays lucky 10000. https://xkcd.com/1053/ https://xkcd.com/1053/
- joshspankit 6y agoI was always surprised it was never referred to by an event that wildly predates the Streisand image: Alyssa Milano suing websites (Though apparently it was her mother filing the suits first) to try to have her nude images removed from the internet. That was 1998. Streisand was 2003. https://money.cnn.com/1998/04/30/technology/internet_pkg/ https://money.cnn.com/1998/04/30/technology/internet_pkg/
- wodenokoto 6y ago1998 sounded much more reasonable to me than 2003. But that is because, I for some reason thought that the streissand effect came to be following the Mecha Streissand episode of South Park https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecha-Streisand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecha-Streisand
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- vmception 6y agoNot directly applicable to RIAA here as they started this by issuing the takedown requests, but I often get around the Streisand effect by ignoring things and then issuing takedown notices later. Like for example, if something came out that some persons might use to try an embarrass me, I let it stay out for a while and don't really address it. Two to three people tweet it and it doesn't go further, hundreds of people weren't compelled to save it "for the lulz". Then a few weeks or months later I get the service to take it down, the person that posted barely notices or understands that their voice is not strong enough and the bar to change that is much higher and they've moved on to some other issue de jour. Yes, there is a possibility that it circulates pretty far initially, or that the thing being shared gets ingrained into the consciousness as truth, but in those circumstances providing a reaction involving the law or lawyers would still amplify it.
- Simon_says 6y agoDoes this happen to you a lot?
- vmception 6y agohandful of times people try ad hominem attacks but nobody cares, or think that I’m vulnerable because I’ve had public facing roles and try to act on that but it’s just them wasting energy its basically something like "what you can't have an opinion online! I can damage you therefore I'll try to damage you!" and then realize they have no reach and the world doesn't work the way they think it does
- m3kw9 6y agoSame as what happened to mp3s RIAA is the best marketer of pirate methods, and the dumbest
- adkadskhj 6y agoIsn't marketing something illegal, also illegal? I wonder if some cheeky case could be made here, hah.
- wizzwizz4 6y agoThere's nothing illegal about youtube-dl, so it can't.
- adkadskhj 6y agoFair - what word should i have used in place of illegal to describe DMCA? Youtube DL was taken down because it was DMCA'd, to which we all (mostly?) agree was an abuse of DMCA, but nevertheless the premise seems to be that it was effectively a form of piracy - no? Isn't Piracy (and supporting Piracy/etc) "illegal"? Or is there a better word to use here?
- roblabla 6y agoGetting DMCA'd doesn't mean anything more than somebody submitted a letter saying "I believe this content infringes my copyright, please take it down.". It does not establish guilt. Just because the RIAA cries foul doesn't mean there is actually anything wrong here. Piracy is illegal, but youtube-dl is not a piracy tool, just like VHS recorders were not piracy tools. Making personal copies of videos is absolutely legal, and seems to be the prominent way to use youtube-dl (Why else would you use it? The content is already available for free on youtube itself!). So what you should call youtube-dl is "Something the RIAA doesn't like", basically.
- adkadskhj 6y agoRight, but there is an implication that if it was piracy it is illegal, no? Lets not play coy. My comment of illegal isn't a court of law, my intent was clearly discussing the idea that if the RIAA is accusing youtube-dl of piracy (effectively), and then they themselves increase popularity of youtube-dl, they would effectively be promoting piracy, aka something illegal. Ya'll are getting hung up on the details. It was a joke.
- rainingcatndogs 6y agoAnd it made me download a lot of MIT OCW courses which I watched and might watch from youtube. In case there will be a situation when we cannot download videos anymore from youtube, I'm gonna host a Peertube instance and upload all of these awesome materials. NewPipe which I currently use to view youtube has good support for peertube as well, so I won't miss much except maybe the comments.
- porknubbins 6y agoThanks, its easy to take for granted that these videos will always be available but a few years back Berkley took down a huge amount of content to try to preempt ADA subtitles legal problems. In the case of some advanced courses self learners can lose access to unique resources.
- benrbray 6y agoI hadn't heard about this, what a shame. https://www.adatitleiii.com/2017/03/uc-berkley-to-remove-more-than-20000-online-videos-from-public-access-in-response-to-doj-captioning-demand/ https://www.adatitleiii.com/2017/03/uc-berkley-to-remove-mor...
- prox 6y agoYou can possibly also share what you have with r/datahoarders
- magicalist 6y agoKind of a side point, but the video lectures are already available for download from links on the OCW site, probably with one less generation of compression than on youtube, including from the Internet Archive: https://archive.org/details/mit_ocw https://archive.org/details/mit_ocw
- bigiain 6y ago> so I won't miss much except maybe the comments. You won't miss anything then...
- Joeboy 6y agoI'd not heard of it, but then I started seeing references to it everywhere. I believe this is the Baader-Meinhof-Streisand effect.
- dane-pgp 6y agoAll the explanations of it that I found seemed completely implausible, but that didn't make me doubt any of those sources. This is probably an example of Baader-Meinhof-Streisand-Gell-Mann amnesia.
- AviationAtom 6y agoHere's to hoping the news draws in even more developers!
- gamblor956 6y agoEveryone using youtubedl is just strengthening the RIAA's now inevitable lawsuit. The Streisand Effect applies when your attempts to block something simply increases the harm you were trying to prevent. Importantly, their is no remedy for the kind of harm at issue in the Streisand Effect. But the RIAA does have a remedy: they can sue for a lot of money. And ultimately, as the harm they are trying to prevent is financial, the Stroganoff Effect does not apply
- crtasm 6y agoHow will the RIAA know how many of us are using it and use that to strengthen the lawsuit?
- gamblor956 6y ago1) People have been cloning the repo for a week. That's a pretty trivial search to do on Github/Gitlab/etc. 2) They can print out copies of Reddit, HN, other websites to show people bragging about using Youtube-DL to download music videos to "stick it to the RIAA." They only need to establish a specific number for purposes of statutory damages, if the case goes to trial. Otherwise, the specifics don't matter; only that many people are using the tool to infringe on RIAA-members' works.
- crtasm 6y agoSo it's not "everyone using it" but "some people talking about it" that you're saying is an issue. I'm not sure such brags prove anything, I certainly don't always tell the truth on the internet.
- spurgu 6y agoI didn't know that it supported such a large number of various websites in addition to Youtube. Thank you RIAA!
- hsbauauvhabzb 6y agoI literally don’t check anymore, I just smash the URL I wanna rip into YouTube-do. I’m shocked when they _dont_ work.
- artificialLimbs 6y agoPut quotes around the site. I learned this recently after years of using. Helps sometimes. youtube-dl.exe "https://vidsite.com/foo?bar https://vidsite.com/foo?bar"
- ivan_ah 6y agoHeh he eh, totally with you. The following kind of snippets appear a lot in my command line history (for music): youtube-dl -x --audio-format mp3 <mediaurl>
- majewsky 6y agoI have this in my shellrc, so that `youtube-dl` without arguments takes the URL from the clipboard: youtube-dl() { if [ $# -eq 0 ]; then if [ "${WAYLAND_DISPLAY}" != "" ]; then env youtube-dl -f best "$(wl-paste --type text/plain)" else env youtube-dl -f best "$(xsel -b)" fi else env youtube-dl "$@" fi } (Replace "-f best" if you just want audio.)
- Liskni_si 6y agoI took this "shell wrapper around youtube-dl" thing a bit further: I have a script that uses youtube-dl to download and enqueue music to mpd. I mainly use it to listen to bandcamp albums that I don't know yet so I can decide whether to buy them or stop listening to them. The script also automatically deletes stuff after a while so I don't accidentally keep listening to albums I haven't bought. Source here if anyone's interested: https://github.com/liskin/dotfiles/blob/home/bin/youtube-dl-mpd https://github.com/liskin/dotfiles/blob/home/bin/youtube-dl-...
- lozf 6y agoYoutube only offer audio in either AAC (in a .m4a container) or Opus formats. Since lossy to lossy transcodes always cause some degradation due to the way perceptual codecs discard data, it's always best to use them as-is without converting. AAC is widely compatible these days and is the broadcast industry (ITU / EBU) standard for distribution of end-user audio, the default recording format for most consumer and pro-sumer equipment, and also what Youtube's upload giudelines suggest. Therefore it's better just to get the `-f140 -x` for maximum compatibility, unless you know you can play the Opus audio and have reason to believe the upload was higher quality.
- taytus 6y agoExactly the same position. Thank you RIAA!!
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 6y agoThis could also be free promotion for the German hosting company Uberspace who hosts the youtube-dl.org website, including its DNS records. (.org is still vulnerable to DMCA of course) https://uberspace.de/en/about/houserules/ https://uberspace.de/en/about/houserules/