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RIAA Obtains Subpoenas Targeting 40 YouTube-Ripping Platforms and Pirate Sites
- zineketter 6y agoArchive link (if your workplace has blocked this for piracy): https://web.archive.org/web/20201029112247/https://torrentfreak.com/riaa-obtains-subpoenas-targeting-40-youtube-ripping-platforms-pirate-sites-201029/ https://web.archive.org/web/20201029112247/https://torrentfr...
- Scoundreller 6y agoI mean, it’s torrentfreak, I think they’ll be alright with it if we quoted their whole article? Edit: they’re CC BY NC 3.0 https://torrentfreak.com/copyright/ https://torrentfreak.com/copyright/ I think HN qualifies as non-commercial, and I’m definitely not profiting off my post, so here it is: The RIAA is ramping up the pressure on a wide range of platforms allegedly involved in music piracy. Two DMCA subpoenas obtained against Cloudflare and Namecheap require the companies to hand over all information they hold on more than 40 torrent sites, streaming portals and YouTube-ripping services. Also included in the mix are several file-hosting platforms. Even erring on the side of caution with conservative estimates, there are at least hundreds of piracy-related sites on the Internet today that the RIAA would like to shut down. To have any chance of doing that, however, early work has to be done to collect various pieces of information. This can include the owners of the platforms’ domains, the IP addresses of their servers and where that hardware is physically hosted, plus any other specifics that may help to build a case or back site operators into a corner. As reported on a number of occasions here on TorrentFreak, one of the tools in the box of the RIAA and other rightsholders is the DMCA subpoena. Easily obtained from US courts without any oversight needed from a judge, DMCA subpoenas can be served on various companies, requiring them to hand over information on their allegedly-infringing clients. RIAA Obtains DMCA Subpoenas Targeting More Than 40 Domains When it comes to gaining access to information on sites and their operators, DMCA subpoenas aimed at Cloudflare are a popular choice. The company not only has access to the customer information handed over as part of the account creation and maintenance process but in some instances can also identify the true server locations/IP address of ‘pirate’ site servers. The same can be said of domain registrar companies such as Namecheap. Information on who bought the domain, when and how, plus how it has been used since can yield valuable information for many anti-piracy investigations. The RIAA recently decided to take advantage of both possibilities. Following two separate applications at a California court, the music industry group obtained DMCA subpoenas requiring both Cloudflare and Namecheap to hand over information on a large number of their allegedly-infringing customers. The Cloudflare subpoena contains 35 domains and the Namecheap subpoena 15 domains. However, due to a considerable overlap, when combined they target 41 domains. Targeting YouTube-Rippers Including the Giant Y2Mate.com Since the RIAA appears to have slowly but surely declared war on YouTube-ripping platforms and tools, it will come as no surprise that the subpoenas partially continue along that theme. Y2Mate.com, an insanely popular YouTube-ripping platform with more than 113 million visits per month according to SimilarWeb, features in both subpoenas. A notable element here is that the RIAA went through this exact process with both Cloudflare and Namecheap last May but is now back for a second bite of the cherry. One of the irritants here is that despite RIAA pressure, Y2Mate appears to have almost doubled its traffic, from 62 million visits per month last year to the current extraordinary levels. Like YouTube-DL recently, Y2Mate was also accused by the RIAA of circumventing YouTube’s “rolling cipher”. Next up is Notube.net, which bills itself simply as a YouTube converter. Back in April the site was enjoying around 24 million visits per month, traffic that has now steadied to around 16 million according to SimilarWeb. YouTubeConverter.io, which claims to offer a similar service, has around three million visitors while Ontiva.com and ListentoYouTube.online are relative minnows with around 350K visits each. Torrent Indexes and File-Hosting Platforms While the RIAA and the music industry as a whole consider YouTube-ripping sites and tools to be the number one piracy threat, the DMCA subpoenas also include more traditional targets. Major torrent site 1337x.to makes an appearance in the Cloudflare application which puts the RIAA in good company. As recently reported, anti-piracy group ACE has just obtained a similar subpoena requiring the Tonic domain registry to hand over details relating to the torrent site. Both of the subpoenas obtained by the RIAA also list TorrentDownloads.me, another popular torrent site. In these instances, the site is accused of participating in the infringement of tracks released by Ed Sheeran, Drake, and One Direction. Since music files are relatively small and can be squirreled away on file-hosting platforms, it’s no surprise that these also make the list. Anonfiles.com, which currently enjoys more than 7.5 million visits per month, is accused of hosting tracks by The Killers and Beyoncé. Ddownload.com, a site with around five million visitors and most popular in Germany, also makes an appearance along with Hexupload.net and DoUploads.net An Interesting Addition – A Platform for Buying & Selling Leaked Music Thesource.to appears to be something of an outlier in the RIAA’s list of targets. While most other platforms clearly offer direct access to music in the form of a download or stream, this platform claims to act as a marketplace for people to buy and sell unreleased music. “On THE SOURCE legit sellers can sell real exclusive unreleased music and serious buyers can purchase them. Everything in a secure and verified environment. You are a serious seller and you are sick of having to be online 24/7 hours and doing everything manually? Then we can make your life easier,” its advertising reads. “You are a serious buyer and you are sick of having to wait for every seller or middleman for hours or even for days? Then we can also make your life easier. THE SOURCE has game-changing systems which both serve sellers and buyers, just for example the integrated automated Satoshi system.” The site is paid-entry, currently for the sum of $10, but according to the RIAA’s subpoena application, someone posted the track Warlords by Childish Gambino there. The listed URL tends to suggest that someone was only offering to sell their “vault” but nevertheless, the subpoena was granted. The full list of all domains targeted in both subpoenas can be viewed below. Any domain marked with an asterisk appears in both subpoenas. The subpoenas themselves are also available for download. Domains Targeted in Cloudflare Subpoena 1337x.to pluspremieres.to thesource.to ddownload.com hiphopde.com* ontiva.com* anonfiles.com audioz.download dirrtyremix.es discografiaspormega.com douploads.net ghanamotion.com hd24bit.com hexupload.net intmusic.net iplusfree.org listentoyoutube.online mp3global.org musiconworldoffmx.com muzobzor.ru naijaonpoint.com* newalbumreleases.net ngleakers.co* rlsbb.ru rnbxclusive.vip sanet.ws songslover.cam* torrentdownloads.me* xclusivejams.nl zoop.su notube.net alegemuzica.top topmusic.uno* y2mate.com* youtubeconverter.io* Domains Targeted in Namecheap Subpoena getrockmusic.net hiphopde.com* hiphoptrendsnow.com ontiva.com* songslover.com* stannova.com toryextra.com vevosongs.com ddownload.com torrentdownloads.me* ngleakers.co* naijaonpoint.com* topmusic.uno* y2mate.com* youtubeconverter.io* The DMCA subpoenas can be found here and here (pdf) https://torrentfreak.com/images/4-20-mc-80172-RIAA-v-Namecheap-DMCA-subpoena-201001.pdf https://torrentfreak.com/images/4-20-mc-80172-RIAA-v-Nameche... https://torrentfreak.com/images/4-20-mc-80174-RIAA-v-Cloudflare-DMCA-subpoena-201001.pdf https://torrentfreak.com/images/4-20-mc-80174-RIAA-v-Cloudfl...
- Aachen 6y agoBlocking a topical news site because you don't like the topic... that's an interesting workplace. Perhaps they don't want you reading the news during work time, but it sounds like TF is blocked for you for false reasons.
- varispeed 6y agoThere is hope that one of the fresh billionaires takes an axe at the RIAA and other abusive organisations and brings hope to all artists that are being exploited by labels, lawyers and organisations like RIAA.
- vehemenz 6y agoIf tech billionaires were leaders, maybe. Instead they spend small fractions of their wealth on silly projects and charities that benefit their tax bills. The rest of the time they are collecting wine and antique furniture for house #6.
- zwily 6y agoDon’t forget building rockets to go to Mars.
- TeMPOraL 6y agoThat's literally one of the two high-prominence rich people who does something useful with their money (other being Gates and his charity efforts).
- pr0zac 6y agoAs much as I dislike him and dislike the idea of the privatization of space, Bezos is also funding a rocket company with his billions, Blue Origin.
- benologist 6y agoBuying your neighbor's surrounding houses for privacy...
- vehemenz 6y agoWhich is great, unless your entire country is swallowed up by social and educational problems that enable a corrupt, fascist government, or if deforestation and despeciation continues at its current pace. The technological gains from rockets, solar panels, and electric cars won't matter then. Figure those things out, and then a trip to Mars won't look like a sci-fi futurist's vanity project.
- oriesdan 6y agoHere goes all the privacy-friendly ways to watch Youtube. Well, I guess it's a good thing : now we'll have to campaign to let content creators know how terrible their choice of platform is.
- zaphod420 6y agoWhat are all the platforms people can use? I know there's one called LBRY.
- oriesdan 6y agoPeertube comes to mind for discoverability. For ensuring content creators revenue, the best way would probably be to host their own website and put videos behind paywall or accept donations, as they see fit.
- sbankowi 6y agoSeems like a perfect area for patreon to expand into. Support a user/artist on patreon, get access to their vids also hosted on patreon.
- oriesdan 6y agoIndeed. Or even make sure to integrate Patreon (or other donation applications) to any privacy-friendly video application. I have a Twitch account just to have a paid subscription for the Critical Role channel, despite the fact that I never open Twitch and download their videos from Youtube using youtube-dl. It kind of feels ridiculous (especially knowing Twitch will put me in metrics of "their users").
- BlueTemplar 6y agoPatreon is going to face the same issue then.
- coldpie 6y agoI'm not aware of any, and any such platform that is comparably featured would be susceptible to the same problem. This isn't a platform problem, it's a law problem.
- eyeball 6y agoSomeone doesn’t like the idea of people being able to save unapproved content before it is scrubbed.
- ghthor 6y agoThat's what I really think this is about as well.
- sieabahlpark 6y agoIt's hollywood after all. Obviously this is to keep information from spreading. It's just convenient to put it under "copyright law"
- TheButlerian 6y agoAre these people actually dumb? You have the economic crisis of a lifetime and you decide to put hold on the free circuses.
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- donmcronald 6y agoDo mid level YouTube channels care about this? I’d like to hear what the upcoming generation of creators think.
- Cthulhu_ 6y agoProbably not really, it's mainly a thing for people that download youtube videos for whatever reason (copying music is one). The channels mainly earn money off of merchandise, in-video advertisement / product placement, and Patreon.
- BiteCode_dev 6y agoWell, the download video helper has still escaped it for now. Good news given how useful it is, but for how long? This is were a decentralized internet would shine, but youtube-dl is already not so friendly to use for the average joe, so I'm not expecting him to be able to browse IFPS any time soon.
- Cthulhu_ 6y agoBut the internet IS decentralized; the RIAA can take down one site, but a dozen will pop up in its place. The RIAA can take down the youtube-dl repo and its clones on Github, but there's thousands of clones on people's local machines. The internet is not centralized. The RIAA cannot say "this should go" and make it magically disappear. There is no single point of failure / influence on the internet. Millions of people have the skills to build an easily distributed .zip file with a barebones youtube downloader website. Everybody with an internet connection can set up a webserver that runs it. And the RIAA will have to go after each individual, one at a time. They couldn't keep TPB down, at best they managed to annoy it for a little while.
- thrownaway954 6y agothis was inevitable giving the climate switch to streaming services. right now the riaa wants to protect the streaming services at all costs since physical media consumption is decreasing, especially with all the store fronts closing cause of the pandemic.
- nogabebop23 6y agoThis is a good point; If you're a contrarian (or in my case dinosaur) go back to physical media and back up your own copy for personal use. Our library still brings in physical copies of everything in various formats, which is good because the electronic borrowing rules imposed on libraries are ridiculous.
- strictnein 6y agoAnd buy what you can used - you get the physical copy and the RIAA/MPAA gets nothing.
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- zxcvbn4038 6y agoLet them subpoena, ultimately RIAA is a US entity pursuing civil suits under US laws, no one outside the US should really be worried. Within the US these sites and tools like YouTube-dl are arguably fair use and RIAA knows this, so they will be cautious when pursuing any litigation. It is like the trick the police use - carrying a knife for utility (cutting food, cutting wire, etc) is often not illegal, carrying a knife as a weapon often is, so police will often try to trick people into saying they have a knife for defense so they can treat it as a weapon instead of a tool.
- Santosh83 6y agoRIAA does liaise with its counterparts in several other major countries. Ultimately IP owners in all countries want to extract the last drop of profit and more. It is a common human tendency and the US is merely a vanguard of what will eventually be a global reality.
- dbspin 6y agoFortunately such things eb and flow. We're in an era of copyright maximalism, but there are forces pushing strongly against that - from the balkanisation of the internet as authoritarianism spreads, to the ubiquitous prevalence of piracy online and off.
- Isamu 6y agoWhen and where has the copyright period rolled back? It’s like a ratchet. Actually I do know of one: Congress granted an exception to the visually impaired.
- jk700 6y ago> It is a common human tendency and the US is merely a vanguard of what will eventually be a global reality. No, it's not. The US is the one pushing other countries to implement US-like copyright laws, as it has a huge music and television entertainment industry and exports entertainment and propaganda to other countries. For most countries if they implement everything the US wants it will only hurt them economically, as they would have to pay more for disproportionally imported entertainment, and politically, as with that much control more propaganda will come from the US and generally forcing people to pay more for something is unpopular. Probably the only countries where local entertainment industries can potentially increase profits from such copyright laws are the countries that have huge music and tv entertainment industries to begin with, i.e. huge countries with large middle class. But those are few.
- benologist 6y agoFor months now I have been using youtube-dl to preserve all the concerts and workout videos I like on YouTube because I don't expect this content to remain available and unencumbered. My original plan was to store just the IDs on GitHub so I could recreate the video libraries without backing up the video files, but already some of the concerts have been removed. I expect the exercise videos will be hidden behind a subscription at some point since they provide utility.
- submeta 6y agoThe RIAA behaves like the powerful in ancient times. But your gut feeling knows exactly when someone is wrong. Just because they refer to some law does not mean their actions are rigt. See „Ius primae noctis“ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_du_seigneur https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_du_seigneur
- leetcrew 6y agothe wiki page you linked says this probably didn't exist, at least not as a formal right.
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- pfortuny 6y agoThat is a myth (the Ius primae noctis) despite what Braveheart may say. On the other hand, a little history shows how many things can be lawful (even "patriotic"!) and extremely inhuman (aberrant, whatever). Not so long ago.
- yencabulator 6y ago> Not so long ago. How about right now? See Guantanamo Bay. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp
- stevespang 6y agoThe whole reason if you are going to be on the radar of the RIAA, you need to be located in Russia, like Snowden. Russia does not extradite and Western lawyers would never show up in a Russian court or they rather conveniently end up floating face down in the Black sea, where many would argue lawyers deserve to end up anyway - - - if you read the press you discover Russians solve their disputes with hitmen, way cheaper than lawyers.
- shmerl 6y agoRIAA is a typical troll, someone who got too much power to censor things.
- jug 6y agoI can't imagine there being all too much profit lost from people using youtube-dl to grab and avoid paying for copyrighted material... First, it's a command line tool. Second, even being well versed in those, I have only found the occasional such clips I wanted to ensure I had preserved. A documentary or two to view later etc. This simply cannot match e.g. the P2P scale...
- anaganisk 6y agoIm not with RIAA or whatever but there are 10s of websites built on top youtube-dl (they promote it as such), that allow users to rip without knowledge on CLI.
- hyko 6y agoI guess ultimately the real solution is not to consume what they're producing.
- kspacewalk2 6y agoIf you cease consuming what they're producing in the manner they disagree with, that's kind of their goal.
- hyko 6y agoNot really, they're a trade association; their core mission is to support the recording industry. Not consuming their output is the opposite of their goal.
- torified 6y agothe site is accused of participating in the infringement of tracks released by Ed Sheeran, Drake, and One Direction. Done. With pleasure.
- twirlock 6y agoThis is annoying to me because I rarely listen to the trash released under RIAA labels anyway.
- Buttons840 6y agoHas anyone ever experimented with reversing the analog loop with machine learning? Generating the training data would be easy. Play audio files through a speaker and record the speaker with a microphone. Then you have the original and the analog recording. Train the machine to reverse the process. Now you can grab high quality audio from any source. Same could be done for video, but would require a more elaborate setup. Kind of off topic, but I hate the idea of not being able to own any actual copies of media in the future. Also, I've made it part of my moral code, nearly a religion of mine, to see all advertisements as a reminder I maybe should be doing something else. Since this is my rant, I'll add that to the pile.
- bayindirh 6y agoSince the losses in the analog conversion process cannot be determined exactly, the model is bound to add some noise to the converted audio. Video has more spatial data to guess the color and motion so it's easier in practice. The unconverted sound may be crisper and has more details but, there's no guarantee that they're the original details so, it won't be the original recording itself.
- Buttons840 6y agoLight pollution adds noise to telescopes too. From a sky where you can barely see 4 stars you can pull detailed colored images of deep space objects. Perhaps you have to play the media a few dozen times and do the media equivalent of frame stacking to see through the noise. It's also quite possible no ML would be needed. I don't think frame stacking uses ML. I wouldn't be surprised if you could play a song on repeat from the other side of your house and extract a very good copy of it, so long as you knew exactly when the song began and looped. You might only need to know the length of the song, not even when it began. It might not be practical, but it would be a cool blog post.
- bayindirh 6y agoIt's not the same thing. A CMOS sensor, especially a cooled, astro-class CMOS sensor is much more sensitive than eye. The random noise in photography is emitted from the sensor itself and has a distinct profile. This profile can be extracted with certain procedures and can be used as a single pass NR process with very high quality results (Darktable's Profiled NR does this if the camera's profile is generated/bundled). Also Subtractive NR does something similar. After the exposure, a closed curtain exposure is taken with same shutter value and that image is subtracted from the first image. Since it's a per-sensor process, its quality is very high too. Light pollution is also somewhat similar. It's a specific wavelength, emitted from ground to sky (so its gradient can be known) and can be filtered out relatively easily with stacking and other RAW processing (assuming your image has enough bit-depth and headroom in both highlights and shadows). There are also new filters which directly filter this kind of pollution IIRC. Stacking does something similar. Pixels with high consistency is kept, low consistency is discarded so you get a clean image. Sorry, I don't know its exact math since I don't have a tracker and don't take many astro photos. However, in an analog recording you have incomplete information and you want to put it back via ML, which is basically a very educated guess in this case. A well tuned and trained ML model would probably put back sensible or semi-sensible details back but, it cannot guess and re-generate the missing parts with 100% accuracy. So at the end of the day, in photography, you have the ability to get the complete information (via stacking or subtractive NR or by cooling the sensor a great deal) however, in an analog recording, you don't have the complete information. Especially if you record it via a speaker to microphone path (since they're not ideal reproducers). We may go to the sounding characteristics of analog audio pipelines and vinyls from there but, that's another rabbit hole I'd rather not dive now.
- bdcravens 6y agoWhy is RIAA acting like it's 2002 all of a sudden?
- macspoofing 6y agoThat's a good question. Why is RIAA going after YouTube download software and not Google?
- throw_m239339 6y agoAd backed music streaming has become an unexpected major source of income from music labels. That's also true for indies. I don't make money off youtube directly however my distributor claims videos using my music and I make money off ads on youtube indirectly. The payout isn't big, but it's not insignificant either. I imagine a lot of major artists make good money off youtube too. They don't if someone just downloads their videos. In times where musicians can't make money off concert, it's even more meaningful. Google does work directly with all these music labels (VEVO and co...).
- macspoofing 6y agoDo people actually download music from YouTube? I imagine kids could just stream anything they want, anytime they want, legally.
- bdcravens 6y agoSo perhaps they'll go after ad blockers next?
- spazx 6y agoOf course all this shit happens the same week I bought my first NAS.
- black_puppydog 6y agoI read an interview with Gottfrid Warg (pirate bay co-founder) some years back. Can't find it now... What stuck with me was his disappointment that the wider torrent community simply relied on the pirate bay always making a return. There was no real effort to go beyond resilient hosting. No producing facts by superior technology. It was just a bunch of copy-cats playing whac-a-mole with the copyright industry. To paraphrase: "I went to jail for this stuff, and you don't even care enough about it to follow up on it in earnest?" At least that's how it read to me. As I said, it's been a while. Hosting torrent platforms and such on namecheap, cloudflare (no really!) and all the other mainstream platforms seems like such an obviously, deeply stupid choice. There's only very few projects (that I know of) that are really addressing resilient, organized, curated content dissemination, and they're essentially divorced from the pirate scene. Too bad I guess.
- fsflover 6y agoI prefer torrents inside I2P [0], because otherwise my IP will be shown to everyone. I wonder why there are so few people there. It's of course slow, but it's worth it. There are already quite a few torrent trackers. [0] https://geti2p.net https://geti2p.net
- knaik94 6y agoWhat kind of speeds do you get? Because last time I tried it getting above a few megabits per second was a struggle. When we're talking about even an Ubuntu ISO, it's a couple gigs. It's too slow to want me to keep using it.
- fsflover 6y agoIndeed, few Mbps is typical for the current number of users. It can take days to download relatively large files. Still, is speed more important than anonymity? Definitely not always, perhaps never. I hope it gets better with more users, as it happened with Tor.
- Eli_P 6y ago> I wonder why there are so few people Maybe because people understand that it's security model is flawed: the peers in the mesh treat all the other peers as not trusted, that's okay; but the network design doesn't seem to take into account potential hostility of the physical medium itself. Say, your ISP can tarpit packets or shape traffic, or shut down the power or cell tower in your block temporarily, and then measure how the mesh congestion changed. At the same time the mesh relies on building hop chains with TTL of 10 minutes iirc, which I think makes a peer a sitting duck. It is (was) all documented/leaked.
- ryanmarsh 6y agoWhy now? We're less than a week from a hotly contested election and social media is an absolute battle ground. Someone with more PR experience please help me understand why now is the most advantageous moment for the RIAA to launch these strikes. I'm not saying it's a bad time necessarily, but this clearly could have been done months (years) ago.
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- stevens37 6y agoOnce (~10-15y ago) I was thinking about a OTP based "2 component glue file sharing solution". You take a piece of data (audio,video), generate a real random one time pad then make an XOR delete the original and share the 2 random files using any media or network. Then share also the info that this and that files are the 2 component glue.
- torified 6y agoWhat problem does that solve? You're doubling the transfer size. Why not just encrypt with a random passcode? I still don't see the point though. For discoverability/longevity you need seeders. If every transfer has a different hash, then that can't happen.
- A_No_Name_Mouse 6y agoIf they're going after individual sites, could a 'workaround' be to keep switching domain names with a suffix like the week number? With a redirect on the main site to the site of the week. It would require new takedown notices every week.
- rolph 6y agoat some point the video is decrypted and exists on your machine, in memory. if you raid the cache after you force buffering bcz 4K and narrow bandwidth then you cant help but make a copy to your hard drive or other such non volatile. here is one such approach: https://www.wikihow.com/Save-Streaming-Video https://www.wikihow.com/Save-Streaming-Video here is my search string just as a knee jerk, but a deliberately crafted string will pop some real gems. https://html.duckduckgo.com/html?q=save%20video%20from%20buffer https://html.duckduckgo.com/html?q=save%20video%20from%20buf... enjoy the safari and have pride in any subsequent craftsmanship that comes from it.
- noisem4ker 6y agoWait until they require Widevine or some other DRM crap. Then, with the help of your CPU's Trusted Execution Environment, the video will only be decrypted in memory locations you're prevented from accessing.
- cwkoss 6y agoSociety would be so much better off if every IP troll lobbying group fell off the face of the planet.
- squarefoot 6y agoDoes it then make the use of 1.1.1.1 any dangerous? Not that it reveals access to torrent sites, but resolving one of them like 30 times in a week might send some alerts.
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- 533474 6y agoWhy are most posts about piracy? If you put your content in youtube, it is there to be downloaded or archived. The platform might not survive the test of time. Torrent sites and legal/fair-use tools such as youtube-dl help preserve humanity. How many times were you able to obtain an obscure book only found in 2 libraries around the world? Or a music album from a once popular orchestra, nowehere to be found in retail channels? Or a TV episode archived and never to be broadcasted or lost in a hurricane?...We as Americans have the duty to preserve humanity and by humanity I mean our individual rights. Let law enforcement to prosecute those who profit from copyrighted works. But information dissemination? how can society move forward like this?
- Woodi 6y agoIMO thieves need be jailed. But if there will be some place where, for some fee, you can watch all that old movies... Fuck, for years I'm looking for Toy Story (1) to learn what are that Debian names ! But no... 2, 3 but no 1. Ice age 1 ? Rambo ? THX 1138 ? <- everyone need to see how leftists are naive and what they planning for human genetic modifications. Interesting movies on Netflix and HBOGO ends in like... 2 days of watching ? Why the fuck i need to pay for a whole month ???? Movie/music industry is double stupid: they do not know how to sell what they already have (century+ amount of movies/recordings) and they create such brain-dead organizations like RIAA and many, many others.