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So the solution is to lock the kids alone in their dorms? What a nightmare. Forbidding human contact with anyone is the most extreme covid restriction I've ever

by slimed 6y ago

So the solution is to lock the kids alone in their dorms? What a nightmare. Forbidding human contact with anyone is the most extreme covid restriction I've ever heard of. A clear violation of human rights.

InTheArena 6y ago
The way the students were acting are putting other peoples lives at risk. It’s not straightforward.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  I'm just not sure what that has to do with it. If they're engaging in specific risky behavior, maybe it's justified to ban that risky behavior, but you can't just tell an entire age bracket they've been naughty and ground them for 2 weeks as punishment.
  - __blockcipher__ 6y ago
    Don’t worry, precedent shows that it will be extended past two weeks. Remember “15 days to slow the spread”?
    - camel_Snake 6y ago
      and it worked. it slowed the spread.
      - __blockcipher__ 6y ago
        There is no evidence that the measures slowed the spread as compared to the natural dynamics of an infectious disease as immunity builds. Compare Sweden’s curve to New York’s for example.
        8note 6y ago
        Is Sweden a good comparison though? Just because the government did not impose the measures doesn't mean that the same thing didn't happen
        evgen 6y ago
        No, it is an exceptionally poor comparison but your failure here is assuming that the person making this comment is acting in good faith. They are not. Downvote, ignore, and move on to discussions with people who are not political tools.
        dekhn 6y ago
        Agree. It's simply not worth engaging with trolls or people who intend to be willfully ignorant. They will just sit there and say "show me the randomized clinical trial for <blah>" even if they aren't qualified to parse the study.
        ardy42 6y ago
        > There is no evidence that the measures slowed the spread as compared to the natural dynamics of an infectious disease as immunity builds. Compare Sweden’s curve to New York’s for example. Compare the US's curve to China's. If the US hadn't tried to half-ass it's measures (at the personal to the national level), we wouldn't still be arguing about them because the virus would be under control and they wouldn't be necessary anymore.
        itsoktocry 6y ago
        >Compare the US's curve to China's. If the US hadn't tried to half-ass it's measures Are you advocating welding people in buildings?
        yanks215 6y ago
        Indeed. And do we trust China’s numbers? I thought it was an unspoken fact that no one cites their data in legitimate media, since it is heavily manipulated.
- slimed 6y ago
  You have no scientific evidence that these students not wearing surgical masks or cloth face coverings has anything to do with covid spread. We have decades, nay a century, of science showing that face covering requirements do not slow the spread of a pandemic. There will absolutely be lawsuits over the rash, panicked, capricious, arbitrary actions of authorities during this crisis.
  - ddingus 6y ago
    https://youtu.be/x6cTDGqcUpA https://youtu.be/x6cTDGqcUpA

by slimed 6y ago

InTheArena 6y ago

The way the students were acting are putting other peoples lives at risk. It’s not straightforward.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
I'm just not sure what that has to do with it. If they're engaging in specific risky behavior, maybe it's justified to ban that risky behavior, but you can't just tell an entire age bracket they've been naughty and ground them for 2 weeks as punishment.
- __blockcipher__ 6y ago
  Don’t worry, precedent shows that it will be extended past two weeks. Remember “15 days to slow the spread”?
  - camel_Snake 6y ago
    and it worked. it slowed the spread.
    - __blockcipher__ 6y ago
      There is no evidence that the measures slowed the spread as compared to the natural dynamics of an infectious disease as immunity builds. Compare Sweden’s curve to New York’s for example.
      - 8note 6y ago
        Is Sweden a good comparison though? Just because the government did not impose the measures doesn't mean that the same thing didn't happen
        evgen 6y ago
        No, it is an exceptionally poor comparison but your failure here is assuming that the person making this comment is acting in good faith. They are not. Downvote, ignore, and move on to discussions with people who are not political tools.
        dekhn 6y ago
        Agree. It's simply not worth engaging with trolls or people who intend to be willfully ignorant. They will just sit there and say "show me the randomized clinical trial for <blah>" even if they aren't qualified to parse the study.
      - ardy42 6y ago
        > There is no evidence that the measures slowed the spread as compared to the natural dynamics of an infectious disease as immunity builds. Compare Sweden’s curve to New York’s for example. Compare the US's curve to China's. If the US hadn't tried to half-ass it's measures (at the personal to the national level), we wouldn't still be arguing about them because the virus would be under control and they wouldn't be necessary anymore.
        itsoktocry 6y ago
        >Compare the US's curve to China's. If the US hadn't tried to half-ass it's measures Are you advocating welding people in buildings?
        yanks215 6y ago
        Indeed. And do we trust China’s numbers? I thought it was an unspoken fact that no one cites their data in legitimate media, since it is heavily manipulated.
slimed 6y ago
You have no scientific evidence that these students not wearing surgical masks or cloth face coverings has anything to do with covid spread. We have decades, nay a century, of science showing that face covering requirements do not slow the spread of a pandemic. There will absolutely be lawsuits over the rash, panicked, capricious, arbitrary actions of authorities during this crisis.
- ddingus 6y ago
  https://youtu.be/x6cTDGqcUpA https://youtu.be/x6cTDGqcUpA