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I live in boulder. So the issue here is really that the university of Colorado has a number of students who are flagrantly ignoring masking rules. They also ha

I live in boulder. So the issue here is really that the university of Colorado has a number of students who are flagrantly ignoring masking rules. They also have a administration that opened the campus. Boulder is a very left leaning city, has a department of health that has decided to be extremely expansive with their mandate in boulder county. Churches and public schools are still closed. But there is a tricky issue in that the state constitution keeps bolder from regulating CU. The majority of cases in Colorado are now from CU. That’s why they’ve structured at the way they have, because they cannot regulate CU directly. So the question becomes is this a violation of the bill of rights? You’d have to be able to argue that the governments actions are designed to be punitive, rather than protective. As much as Boulder has consistently overstepped itself, I think this still meets that criteria. As a sidenote, for all of the politicking about red state versus blue state, it is definitely millennials and zoomer‘s that I see without masks. Doesn’t bode well for the future. Also Boulder and CU have had this war going on for quite a while independent of covid. It got to the point where the University even decided to purchase a quarry to get around Boulder restrictions.

slimed 6y ago
So the solution is to lock the kids alone in their dorms? What a nightmare. Forbidding human contact with anyone is the most extreme covid restriction I've ever heard of. A clear violation of human rights.
- InTheArena 6y ago
  The way the students were acting are putting other peoples lives at risk. It’s not straightforward.
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    I'm just not sure what that has to do with it. If they're engaging in specific risky behavior, maybe it's justified to ban that risky behavior, but you can't just tell an entire age bracket they've been naughty and ground them for 2 weeks as punishment.
    - __blockcipher__ 6y ago
      Don’t worry, precedent shows that it will be extended past two weeks. Remember “15 days to slow the spread”?
      - camel_Snake 6y ago
        and it worked. it slowed the spread.
        __blockcipher__ 6y ago
        There is no evidence that the measures slowed the spread as compared to the natural dynamics of an infectious disease as immunity builds. Compare Sweden’s curve to New York’s for example.
        8note 6y ago
        Is Sweden a good comparison though? Just because the government did not impose the measures doesn't mean that the same thing didn't happen
        evgen 6y ago
        No, it is an exceptionally poor comparison but your failure here is assuming that the person making this comment is acting in good faith. They are not. Downvote, ignore, and move on to discussions with people who are not political tools.
        dekhn 6y ago
        Agree. It's simply not worth engaging with trolls or people who intend to be willfully ignorant. They will just sit there and say "show me the randomized clinical trial for <blah>" even if they aren't qualified to parse the study.
        ardy42 6y ago
  - slimed 6y ago
    You have no scientific evidence that these students not wearing surgical masks or cloth face coverings has anything to do with covid spread. We have decades, nay a century, of science showing that face covering requirements do not slow the spread of a pandemic. There will absolutely be lawsuits over the rash, panicked, capricious, arbitrary actions of authorities during this crisis.
    - ddingus 6y ago
      https://youtu.be/x6cTDGqcUpA https://youtu.be/x6cTDGqcUpA
yanks215 6y ago
> Boulder is a very left leaning city > So the question becomes is this a violation of the bill of rights? Seems less like an issue of being "left" and more "authoritarian". I wish there was a pithier word than "Auth" available for this. Some left-wingers still defend the 1st Amendment. I hope the parties this decree impacts sue and bring this to the Supreme Court. The biggest issue with lockdowns now seems to be lawmakers' fear of making a deadly choice. We need a high court opinion to be clear on what government can and cannot do. IANAL but the language seems clear in 1A that there shall be no law restricting peaceable assembly.
- InTheArena 6y ago
  Both the left extreme and the right extreme are authoritarian.

slimed 6y ago

So the solution is to lock the kids alone in their dorms? What a nightmare. Forbidding human contact with anyone is the most extreme covid restriction I've ever heard of. A clear violation of human rights.

InTheArena 6y ago
The way the students were acting are putting other peoples lives at risk. It’s not straightforward.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  I'm just not sure what that has to do with it. If they're engaging in specific risky behavior, maybe it's justified to ban that risky behavior, but you can't just tell an entire age bracket they've been naughty and ground them for 2 weeks as punishment.
  - __blockcipher__ 6y ago
    Don’t worry, precedent shows that it will be extended past two weeks. Remember “15 days to slow the spread”?
    - camel_Snake 6y ago
      and it worked. it slowed the spread.
      - __blockcipher__ 6y ago
        There is no evidence that the measures slowed the spread as compared to the natural dynamics of an infectious disease as immunity builds. Compare Sweden’s curve to New York’s for example.
        8note 6y ago
        Is Sweden a good comparison though? Just because the government did not impose the measures doesn't mean that the same thing didn't happen
        evgen 6y ago
        No, it is an exceptionally poor comparison but your failure here is assuming that the person making this comment is acting in good faith. They are not. Downvote, ignore, and move on to discussions with people who are not political tools.
        dekhn 6y ago
        Agree. It's simply not worth engaging with trolls or people who intend to be willfully ignorant. They will just sit there and say "show me the randomized clinical trial for <blah>" even if they aren't qualified to parse the study.
        ardy42 6y ago
- slimed 6y ago
  You have no scientific evidence that these students not wearing surgical masks or cloth face coverings has anything to do with covid spread. We have decades, nay a century, of science showing that face covering requirements do not slow the spread of a pandemic. There will absolutely be lawsuits over the rash, panicked, capricious, arbitrary actions of authorities during this crisis.
  - ddingus 6y ago
    https://youtu.be/x6cTDGqcUpA https://youtu.be/x6cTDGqcUpA

yanks215 6y ago

> Boulder is a very left leaning city > So the question becomes is this a violation of the bill of rights? Seems less like an issue of being "left" and more "authoritarian". I wish there was a pithier word than "Auth" available for this. Some left-wingers still defend the 1st Amendment. I hope the parties this decree impacts sue and bring this to the Supreme Court. The biggest issue with lockdowns now seems to be lawmakers' fear of making a deadly choice. We need a high court opinion to be clear on what government can and cannot do. IANAL but the language seems clear in 1A that there shall be no law restricting peaceable assembly.

InTheArena 6y ago
Both the left extreme and the right extreme are authoritarian.