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Activists Are Protesting Against Palantir Across the Country This Week
- bzb5 6y agoI assume they are constructive and have a different proposal on how to manage the southern border of the country?
- convery 6y agoOh you sweet summer child..
- consumer451 6y agoIs Palantir limited to that area? Edit to add: isn’t the “southern border problem” based on alternative facts? That was the President’s spokesperson’s response when challenged with the fact the immigrants commit less crime than Americans. What exactly is this impending problem that requires me to give up privacy to the federal government?
- bzb5 6y agoFrom the article it seems they are a pro immigration group that is mostly bothered by the collaboration with ICE
- sieabahlpark 6y agoIllegal aliens are not legal immigrants, so I fully expect those that worked hard to get through immigration properly wouldn't throw away their chance to stay in America as a free citizen. It's pretty easy to see the difference, especially since on would have to break the law to get in illegally.
- zpeti 6y agoAcross the country - means Palo Alto and Denver - and dance theatre against Palantir in new york. I guess literally it is "across the country", but not quite how that phrase is used imo.
- read_if_gay_ 6y agoVice has been an absolute garbage news outlet for like the past 5 years. Post their old stuff, not this nonsense. https://youtu.be/QO3-AAVTeDA https://youtu.be/QO3-AAVTeDA
- mlang23 6y agoYou mean quality journalism like this: https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/jmkbm7/getting-wasted-on-cum-cocktails https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/jmkbm7/getting-wasted-on-... "This story is over 5 years old." I wonder when this infantile news outlet finally bites the dust.
- holler 6y agothe Vice Guide to Travel episodes were pretty good, especially Liberia & North Korea.
- secondcoming 6y agoSimon Ostrovsky's documentation of the Russian invasion of Ukraine was great too.
- postsantum 6y agoThe Hermit Kingdom was incredible - how lucky you have to to be to be invited to party with Kim and leave in one piece?
- mlang23 6y agoOr this wonderful gem from the german VICE division: https://www.vice.com/de/article/mg7yv4/fruehstueck-aus-der-scheide-222 https://www.vice.com/de/article/mg7yv4/fruehstueck-aus-der-s...
- tpush 6y agoI thought that article was both hilarious and informative.
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- emteycz 6y agoWhy don't they protest against the government that buys and uses Palantir stuff? There wouldn't be a maker without a buyer, and somehow protesting Palantir out of the country won't resolve the actual issue either.
- greenduck 6y agoPeople regularly protest the growth of a surveillance state and have as long as I can remember. You can do both.
- emteycz 6y agoThis is a protest against a government contractor, not against surveillance state. It's misplaced, which is a pity. I don't see anything good coming out of protesting against Palantir, not even favorable PR.
- t0astbread 6y agoI guess protesting against and naming specific entities makes it more concrete to outsiders what the "surveillance state" is.
- emteycz 6y agoYeah, but it tells them wrong story about what the root cause is. That is wrong IMHO. This is not a rogue corporation that has to be stopped, this is a rogue government that has to be stopped.
- NationalPark 6y agoActivists constantly hear people from the sidelines telling them they're protesting the "wrong" way. If you really want to make a difference, stop criticizing and start doing the work you think is more important yourself.
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- greenduck 6y agoI was talking with my friends about Palantir the other day. We all basically agreed that we could never work there unless we were truly desperate. The role they have played in surveillance capitalism is just too slimy for us.
- rtx 6y agoI have been waiting for company like Palantir to come up. Imagine if we can catch child abusers before they can do too much damage.
- read_if_gay_ 6y agoHello 1984
- rtx 6y agoSince we already have read that it will be different. Imagine a world where we all have neural sims integrated with something like Palantir. So many criminals will be caught. Found a body dumped in a swamp, lets query who has been there. Don't we all love when criminals are caught from CCTV recordings. Is it scary, yes. We will need to be more involved in the democratic process.
- ficklepickle 6y agoWhat is your obsession with catching criminals, and what makes you think that punishment reduces crime? Wouldn't it be a more efficient use of resources to target the socioeconomic factors that lead to crime?
- rtx 6y agoTools like these will also help with that. We will be directly able to measure a Childs nutrition and intervene if the parents are careless. I have watched many cases of child and elderly abuse which were not just due to lack of education. People have different passions mine is a criminal free world.
- michaelerule 6y agoNot a lot of content in the comments yet, so I thought I'd just copy-paste the Wikipedia note regarding this controversy: > Palantir has come under criticism due to its partnership developing software for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Palantir has responded that its software is not used to facilitate deportations. In a statement provided to the New York Times, the firm implied that because its contract was with HSI, a division of ICE focused on investigating criminal activities, it played no role in deportations. However, documents obtained by The Intercept show that this is not the case. According to these documents, Palantir's ICM software is considered 'mission critical' to ICE. Other groups critical of Palantir include the Brennan Center for Justice, National Immigration Project, the Immigrant Defense Project, the Tech Workers Coalition and Mijente. In one internal ICE report Mijente acquired, it was revealed that Palantir's software was critical in an operation to arrest the parents of illegal migrant children. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palantir_Technologies#Controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palantir_Technologies#Controve...)
- x87678r 6y agoI dont really understand why in this country enforcing immigration law is controversial.
- notsuoh 6y agoI don't think it's that, it's actually pretty radical a position in the US to say we shouldn't enforce immigration law or we should effectively have open borders. The controversy comes in the harsh manner in which DHS has been enforcing those laws in the last few years. It seems like we're not even treating immigrants like human beings, so any company that enables this by partnering with DHS, even if not directly working on targeting migrants, rightly comes under scrutiny and ire.
- Just1689 6y agoFor anyone unsure of what you meant by "The controversy comes in the harsh manner in which DHS has been enforcing those laws in the last few years. It seems like we're not even treating immigrants like human beings" see https://www.valleycentral.com/news/local-news/new-mcallen-facility-to-house-1000-immigrant-children/ https://www.valleycentral.com/news/local-news/new-mcallen-fa...
- jessaustin 6y agoProf G on Palantir: It took Amazon 8 years to get to profitability, Netflix 6, Facebook 5, and Google 3. Palantir is old enough to see an R-rated film, get a pilot's license or (with parental consent) join the armed services. But at 17 years of age, and after raising $3 billion, the “start-up” has never made money. In 2019, Palantir lost $580 million on approximately $740 million in revenues. The idiot client they serve (U.S. government) lost 25 cents on the dollar ($1 trillion deficit vs. $3.5 trillion in revenues) in 2019 vs. 78 cents at Palantir. Shouldn’t Uncle Sam be advising Palantir? The firm spent $911 million in marketing over the last 24 months, roughly half of what Tide detergent spent over the same period. The firm has 125 clients, 3 of them accounting for 28% of revenues. Palantir feels more like a services firm, with tech at its core (e.g., Accenture), but one that, unlike a services firm, is massively unprofitable. https://www.profgalloway.com/palanthiel-the-uncola https://www.profgalloway.com/palanthiel-the-uncola
- Cthulhu_ 6y agoThat's cute and all, but it's not about whether it makes a profit; it's effectively a government contractor or part thereof, and said government wouldn't let it go under (because strategic assets). Said government also pays for the most well-funded standing army and that one doesn't turn a profit, memes about oil in iraq aside.
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- cik 6y agoOne of the things I constantly see discussed (for good and bad) is whether or not to view Palantir as a way to make the military-industrial complex "attractive" to the startup world. It could be an interesting point as to whether Palantir is ever going to generate a profit, or if it's merely the government outsourcing some amount of software development, without making it seem as unattractive (to some) as working for Lockheed Martin and the like.
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- yters 6y agoor one could spin this as they help prevent ms13 gang members from sneaking into the country under pretext of some kids they grabbed, and will probably traffick
- egberts1 6y agoDenver and San Francisco must be the whole country. I wonder where 25 other bigger US metros fit in.
- aaron695 6y agoPalantir are just normal consultants that rip money from the government without a return, but their sell is they come with an air of mystery. Not sure if the tail is wagging the dog here or not.