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Coffee Rust
- hstaab 6y agoI swore this was going to be about some CoffeeScript + Rust monstrosity
- JeremyBanks 6y agoHmm. Some folks have hacked the Rust macro system to get whitespace-sensitivity for embedded Python. https://blog.m-ou.se/writing-python-inside-rust-1/ https://blog.m-ou.se/writing-python-inside-rust-1/ I wonder how much of the CoffeeScript syntax you could pack in there...
- chrismorgan 6y agoConsolation prize: the Rust programming language was named after the rust fungi. https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/27jvdt/internet_archaeology_the_definitive_endall_source/ https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/27jvdt/internet_archa...
- yesbabyyes 6y agoBecause it destroys Java?
- shock 6y agoNice pun. But I think Java will have a bright future with Project Loom coming.
- rvz 6y agoIt's always nice to take a break, relax, have a glass of water and not think about programming languages, especially on a Saturday. Time to recalibrate the language confirmation bias and reset the adrenaline in you when your favourite language reaches top of Hacker News.
- colmvp 6y agoAs soon as I saw the source of the article, I knew it was not going to be about coding.
- IncRnd 6y agoOOPs. Java leaves + Rust.
- amelius 6y agoThe entire coffee-naming scheme of software products is imho really the most unimaginative marketing thing that ever happened in computing.
- xellisx 6y agoI was thinking the same.
- MichaelZuo 6y agoLuckily we have technology such as greenhouses that means this is ultimately a cost issue and not an extinction level issue.
- Daishiman 6y agoThere is absolutely no way that greenhouse grown coffee is viable from a cost perspective. Unaffordable coffee is essentially equivalent to no coffee for 98% of the population.
- simtel20 6y agoCoffee grows best in outdoor elevated tropical climates. Similar to cacao, putting a roof over an entire hillside is simply not feasible for even the wealthiest farmers. One of the foundations of most farming is that given a large are, you can just place the plants and care for the ground they're on, and handle pests that can be seen. That's manageable with lots of farm labor and with available building material. Building a glass louvre around every rural farm between the tropics of cancer and capricorn, replacing the wind and rain, etc is just not how rural third world farming works.
- MichaelZuo 6y agoWell that still sounds like a cost issue to be honest, worst case is that coffee becomes a luxury item again. Though practically as third world companies develop and greenhouses become cheaper it probably wouldn’t climb so high as to stop being sold by the major retailers, Costco, etc. Double or triple in price maybe.
- simtel20 6y agoUnfortunately "luxury" doesn't seem like the likely outcome here. Luxury items are created via artificial scarcity (e.g. diamonds) or just by high cost of expertise and goods (e.g. a luxury car). In order for food to become a luxury item, it needs to be a more costly variation on something which is more readily available. This allows for a constant demand, with a side business in exotic expensive extras. If coffee, globally, needed to be grown in greenhouses it would just become a novelty tree that school trips visited until the climate turned around and it became an economically viable crop again.
- sesuximo 6y agoIs it possible to add more genetic diversity to coffee? Might taste better too
- sli 6y agoThere's quite a lot of diversity in coffee already. Coffees from different regions taste wildly different. Climate change is just ravaging the coffee band. Ethiopian coffee will likely be gone in a couple decades as the growing region is pushed north into the Ethiopian highlands where it can't be grown since the highlands are actually huge pillars of rock rather than highlands as people typically understand them. It's a shame, really, because Ethiopian coffee is absolutely wonderful.
- adrianN 6y agoHow much of the Ethiopian economy is made up of coffee exports?
- UweSchmidt 6y ago34% (Google has become worse for long tail search queries, but interestingly now has an 'answer box' for wide ranging questions like this one.)
- kevinmchugh 6y agoBe careful with those answer boxes, they don't always answer the question you want to know. It seems that coffee is 34% of Ethiopian exports, not their economy
- ziml77 6y agoPlease don't blindly trust those answer boxes. One example of an answer that looks simple and definitive but was actually way off: https://youtu.be/TbHBHhZOglw?t=58 https://youtu.be/TbHBHhZOglw?t=58
- 40four 6y agoI hope it does not go away, one of my favorite types of beans for sure!
- howlgarnish 6y agoMaybe it's time for hipsters to make WW2-era coffee substitutes like chicory and acorns fashionable again: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_substitute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_substitute
- 082349872349872 6y agohttps://www.victorycoffees.com https://www.victorycoffees.com Not sure if duckspeak =.= or duckspeak. Edit for sauce: http://www.george-orwell.org/1984/4.html http://www.george-orwell.org/1984/4.html
- howlgarnish 6y agoThose appear to be actual coffee? Chicory coffee remains popular in New Orleans, but they usually blend in actual coffee for the caffeine kick: https://www.neworleansroast.com/chicory/ https://www.neworleansroast.com/chicory/
- wwwwewwww 6y agoI think in practice it's the opposite - they brew actual coffee and blend in chicory for the authentic New Orleans taste kick.
- _Microft 6y agoCaro Coffee is also not bad. Make sure to not use too much of it per drink, as it can taste bitter if it's too concentrated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caro_(drink) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caro_(drink)
- stephencanon 6y agoThe hipsters came for chicory about 5-10 years ago.
- lightgreen 6y agoI upvoted mechanically without opening the link because that's what I do when I see an entry about Rust. I'm joking, I did not do that, but it's possible explanation how this link got to the first page of HN.
- jamil7 6y agoOrange crab good, Apple bad.
- Fnoord 6y agoOr, perhaps, because the content is interesting?
- lightgreen 6y agoPerhaps. But if title didn’t have the word a Rust, fewer people would clicked.
- Igelau 6y agoConsidering how much of dev is powered by coffee, this is a deeply concerning post.
- baq 6y agoThe most interesting part to me was that the British didn’t always drink that much tea.
- Animats 6y agoComing soon, good synthetic coffee.[1] Made from agricultural waste, to be sold at premium prices at first. The process is not inherently expensive, so, like the Impossible Burger, it will move down from the high end to Burger King. [1] https://atomocoffee.com/ https://atomocoffee.com/
- IncRnd 6y agoThe picture of the coffee they are pouring on that page appears quite watery.
- animationwill 6y ago>> appears quite watery. Particularly watery looking for a cold brew
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- rch 6y agoThe stuff in the lab pic looks closer to normal.
- parsimo2010 6y agoI don't know if you're affiliated with them, but I gave a brief look all over the website and couldn't find any indication of "coming soon." The only thing that says "coming soon" is your comment. Website design and marketing aren't my area of expertise, but I think they'll lose a lot of eyeballs by advertising a product and don't either tell people where to buy it or if the product isn't released yet. Right now the website looks like an elaborate prank or a fake product. It would be fine if gathering interest/customers weren't the point of the website, but if it were about gaining investors then I think it should have other information (cost of production, scalability, market size, etc.).
- Animats 6y agoThey clam a $9M investment from Horizons Ventures (Hong Kong) and S2G Ventures. They started as a $25K Kickstarter.[1] CNBC says they had a taste test.[2] It might not work, and they're a year behind schedule, but there is reported activity. It's a lot like synthetic wine. It's possible to analyze wine with a gas chromatograph to a level of detail that allows duplication. That's what "Gemello" is.[3] That's available now. The coffee business has an advantage. Synthetic wine can't be sold as "wine" in the US. But synthetic coffee can be sold as coffee. [1] https://news.yahoo.com/atomo-raises-9-million-bring-120000123.html https://news.yahoo.com/atomo-raises-9-million-bring-12000012... [2] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/16/atomo-a-seattle-start-up-is-out-to-reverse-engineer-the-coffee-bean.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/16/atomo-a-seattle-start-up-is-... [3] https://www.sfchronicle.com/wine/article/San-Francisco-startup-unveils-synthetic-wine-and-15068890.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/wine/article/San-Francisco-start...
- cosmiccatnap 6y agoI thought this was some kind of a way to write rust with coffee script and was sure satan had completed his greatest project
- cibritzio 6y ago'But now the fungicides were no longer working as they had. “La roya does not respect them,” Gabriel told me through a translator. One day, with no warning, the golden dots bloomed on a few leaves on a single plant. Gabriel sprayed them, and sprayed again, but the spots widened, then turned dark and dry and cracked through the middle. The leaves crisped, curling at the edges, and fell from the plant when breezes jostled them. The dust, the fungal spores, drifted across the field and infected another bush, or fell to the ground and splashed onto the next plant when rain fell. The cycle of slow plant death began again.' I did not know that I would see the vision of Miyazaki expressed in Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind realized in my lifetime.
- sp332 6y ago"From 2012 to 2017, rust caused more than $3 billion in damage and lost profits and forced almost 2 million farmers off their land." I can't jibe these numbers. That's only $1,500 per farmer.
- thenewwazoo 6y ago“ The World Bank 2010 data for Guatemala indicates that the Gross National Income (GNI) Per Capita for Guatemala is $2,740 and for the Lower Middle class the average annual income is $1,619 in US dollars.” - http://www.terraexperience.com/guatemala_minimum_wage.htm http://www.terraexperience.com/guatemala_minimum_wage.htm (primary source 404)