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What do you find him wrong about?

by Waterfall 6y ago

cool_dude85 6y ago
The detritus between your toes is not, in fact, a tasty treat.
- Waterfall 6y ago
  Maybe you haven't had the full emulsified flavor of the Sweet Stallman Skin Sap. It's better than usual toe jams from other free software activists.
  - Ericson2314 6y ago
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/scientists-create-toe-belly-button-cheese-from-human-bacteria/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/scientists-create-toe-belly-but... Stallamn should sell some Camembert.
VectorLock 6y ago
His public image has been degraded from toe-jam eating and supposedly outrageous riders for speaking engagements (which I think everything in was pretty level headed but some people think it was 'nuts')
- sciurus 6y ago
  For anyone who hasn't read the rider: https://github.com/ddol/rre-rms/blob/master/rider.txt https://github.com/ddol/rre-rms/blob/master/rider.txt
  - cpeterso 6y ago
    > "GNU" is pronounced as one syllable with a hard g, like "grew" but with n instead of r. TIL I learned "GNU" is somehow pronounced with one syllable ("gnew") and not two ("guh-noo"). (I know lowercase "gnu" is pronounced with one syllable.)
  - sl1ck731 6y ago
    He seems really insistent on not being ID'd for buses or trains, but its a requirement for flying which has a whole section. Is there something going on with buses and trains that are under more scrutiny? Also, if he can get around the ID with fake names via buses and trains why would he even accept flying?
    - redis_mlc 6y ago
      Interstate buses and trains post-911 often require ID in the US, and possibly frisking. Seen that at the Las Vegas bus terminal. Additionally, LEO says they can do whatever they want in the border zone, which extends 100 miles inland of any US border: https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/border-zone/ https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/border-zone/
- tgsovlerkhgsel 6y ago
  > everything in was pretty level headed It starts out reasonable, but then has gems like "please buy bus tickets only with cash under a fake name", "find me a parrot", "go to the hotel and figure out if their phone jacks do dial-up because that's most likely the only thing that will work with my machine". The latter may have adjusted with the times, since the document is old; but then again, the demands he places on streaming technology etc. are perfectly reasonable nowadays, but a massive obstacle back then.
  - eythian 6y ago
    > please buy bus tickets only with cash under a fake name This is because he's actively against surveillance. It's not a hard requirement, I've lent him an anonymous (i.e. pre-paid) public transport card before, and while he didn't like the requirement to both check on and check off, he did it anyway. > find me a parrot That's a misrepresentation. It's a "it'd be nice if" type thing. There's also the "don't buy one" comment, because you can be sure someone has done that. > go to the hotel and figure out if their phone jacks do dial-up because that's most likely the only thing that will work with my machine That might be really old, his machine definitely has wifi. And if the request is from the pre-wifi with free software drivers days, it's completely reasonable for someone who lives a chunk of their life on the internet to request internet access. It's much, much more reasonable than you're making out, especially if you consider it in the context of why you're probably asking him to speak at some event.
  - romanoderoma 6y ago
    > It starts out reasonable, but then has gems like "please buy bus tickets only with cash under a fake name", That's exactly what protesters did in Honk Kong in 2019 to avoid retaliation from China So he was right, again
StevePerkins 6y ago
He has expressed skepticism that "willing participation" in pedophilia harms children. And given a couple of bizarre quotes on bestiality (essentially, "if the animal initiates it then what's the problem?"). More recently, he was pushed out of MIT and the FSF last year for questioning whether one of Jeffrey Epstein's victims was truly a victim or not. He prefers Emacs over Vim. There are probably other examples, but that's off the top of my head.
- shirakawasuna 6y ago
  > He prefers Emacs over Vim He's a monster.
  - m463 6y ago
    Well, at least he didn't create emacs. ;)
  - efreak 6y ago
    `ed` is better than either. `cat>newfile.txt` - teaches you not to make typos.
- usui 6y ago
  > He prefers Emacs over Vim I wasn't expecting to laugh, haha. This is great, good stuff! ...But seriously why? How could such a thing be possible?! I would like to know his reasons.
  - dkersten 6y ago
    You get irrationally attached to things you are one of the authors of, I guess.
  - iphone_elegance 6y ago
    He wrote emacs
- dkersten 6y ago
  > questioning whether one of Jeffrey Epstein's victims was truly a victim or not. I’ve never really been much of an RMS fan beyond admiration for what he has done for free software, but this is not what he said, at least according to his words as quoted in the post that initiated his cancellation[1]. I’ve pasted it from that post below [2]. The author of that post quoted this and then somehow inferred this [3]. How she (and everyone reading it thereafter) went from one line to the next from “she PRESENTED herself as willing” (not that she actually was willing), “assuming she was being COERCED by Epstein” somehow got reinterpreted as “she was entirely willing”. Nothing RMS said stated he thought she wasn’t a victim, just that Minsky may not have known due to how Epstein coerced her to present herself. But hey, the witch hunters got their burning. [1] https://medium.com/@selamjie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec210794 https://medium.com/@selamjie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec2... [2] We can imagine many scenarios, but the most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely willing. Assuming she was being coerced by Epstein, he would have had every reason to tell her to conceal that from most of his associates. [3] and then he says that an enslaved child could, somehow, be “entirely willing”.
the_jeremy 6y ago
A direct quote of RMS from his website[0]: The nominee is quoted as saying that if the choice of a sexual partner were protected by the Constitution, "prostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child pornography, and even incest and pedophilia" also would be. He is probably mistaken, legally--but that is unfortunate. All of these acts should be legal as long as no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and narrowmindedness. [0]: https://stallman.org/archives/2003-may-aug.html https://stallman.org/archives/2003-may-aug.html --- I don't think child pornography should be legal.
- skissane 6y ago
  A much more recent quote from his website[0]: 14 September 2019 (Sex between an adult and a child is wrong) Many years ago I posted that I could not see anything wrong about sex between an adult and a child, if the child accepted it. Through personal conversations in recent years, I've learned to understand how sex with a child can harm per psychologically. This changed my mind about the matter: I think adults should not do that. I am grateful for the conversations that enabled me to understand why. [0] https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#14_September_2019_(Sex_between_an_adult_and_a_child_is_wrong) https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#14_September... --- Stallman's former view on this was always wrong. But it is good to hear he has changed his mind, and I think to be fair to him, if one brings up his former views, one should also bring up his more recent disavowal of them.
  - krapp 6y ago
    To be fair, that disavowal came after his former behavior and views - which went not only accepted but defended by his peers and followers for years (including on HN following his "cancellation") finally became too much for people around him to bear. No other public figure with a history like his would be given even a shadow of a benefit of the doubt over nothing but a brief blog entry. If he were a politician or a celebrity HN would want to see him hanged with the rest of the degenerate elites. I hope that he has changed his mind, but until there's some evidence that he's changed his behavior, there's no reason to assume he was doing anything but covering his ass (possibly at the behest of someone else) and trying to save his position and status. That's what would be assumed of anyone else, that's what should be assumed of him.
fellellor 6y ago
Not this shit again...!

What do you find him wrong about?

cool_dude85 6y ago

The detritus between your toes is not, in fact, a tasty treat.

Waterfall 6y ago
Maybe you haven't had the full emulsified flavor of the Sweet Stallman Skin Sap. It's better than usual toe jams from other free software activists.
- Ericson2314 6y ago
  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/scientists-create-toe-belly-button-cheese-from-human-bacteria/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/scientists-create-toe-belly-but... Stallamn should sell some Camembert.

VectorLock 6y ago

His public image has been degraded from toe-jam eating and supposedly outrageous riders for speaking engagements (which I think everything in was pretty level headed but some people think it was 'nuts')

sciurus 6y ago
For anyone who hasn't read the rider: https://github.com/ddol/rre-rms/blob/master/rider.txt https://github.com/ddol/rre-rms/blob/master/rider.txt
- cpeterso 6y ago
  > "GNU" is pronounced as one syllable with a hard g, like "grew" but with n instead of r. TIL I learned "GNU" is somehow pronounced with one syllable ("gnew") and not two ("guh-noo"). (I know lowercase "gnu" is pronounced with one syllable.)
- sl1ck731 6y ago
  He seems really insistent on not being ID'd for buses or trains, but its a requirement for flying which has a whole section. Is there something going on with buses and trains that are under more scrutiny? Also, if he can get around the ID with fake names via buses and trains why would he even accept flying?
  - redis_mlc 6y ago
    Interstate buses and trains post-911 often require ID in the US, and possibly frisking. Seen that at the Las Vegas bus terminal. Additionally, LEO says they can do whatever they want in the border zone, which extends 100 miles inland of any US border: https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/border-zone/ https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/border-zone/
tgsovlerkhgsel 6y ago
> everything in was pretty level headed It starts out reasonable, but then has gems like "please buy bus tickets only with cash under a fake name", "find me a parrot", "go to the hotel and figure out if their phone jacks do dial-up because that's most likely the only thing that will work with my machine". The latter may have adjusted with the times, since the document is old; but then again, the demands he places on streaming technology etc. are perfectly reasonable nowadays, but a massive obstacle back then.
- eythian 6y ago
  > please buy bus tickets only with cash under a fake name This is because he's actively against surveillance. It's not a hard requirement, I've lent him an anonymous (i.e. pre-paid) public transport card before, and while he didn't like the requirement to both check on and check off, he did it anyway. > find me a parrot That's a misrepresentation. It's a "it'd be nice if" type thing. There's also the "don't buy one" comment, because you can be sure someone has done that. > go to the hotel and figure out if their phone jacks do dial-up because that's most likely the only thing that will work with my machine That might be really old, his machine definitely has wifi. And if the request is from the pre-wifi with free software drivers days, it's completely reasonable for someone who lives a chunk of their life on the internet to request internet access. It's much, much more reasonable than you're making out, especially if you consider it in the context of why you're probably asking him to speak at some event.
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  > It starts out reasonable, but then has gems like "please buy bus tickets only with cash under a fake name", That's exactly what protesters did in Honk Kong in 2019 to avoid retaliation from China So he was right, again

StevePerkins 6y ago

He has expressed skepticism that "willing participation" in pedophilia harms children. And given a couple of bizarre quotes on bestiality (essentially, "if the animal initiates it then what's the problem?"). More recently, he was pushed out of MIT and the FSF last year for questioning whether one of Jeffrey Epstein's victims was truly a victim or not. He prefers Emacs over Vim. There are probably other examples, but that's off the top of my head.

shirakawasuna 6y ago
> He prefers Emacs over Vim He's a monster.
- m463 6y ago
  Well, at least he didn't create emacs. ;)
- efreak 6y ago
  `ed` is better than either. `cat>newfile.txt` - teaches you not to make typos.
usui 6y ago
> He prefers Emacs over Vim I wasn't expecting to laugh, haha. This is great, good stuff! ...But seriously why? How could such a thing be possible?! I would like to know his reasons.
- dkersten 6y ago
  You get irrationally attached to things you are one of the authors of, I guess.
- iphone_elegance 6y ago
  He wrote emacs
dkersten 6y ago
> questioning whether one of Jeffrey Epstein's victims was truly a victim or not. I’ve never really been much of an RMS fan beyond admiration for what he has done for free software, but this is not what he said, at least according to his words as quoted in the post that initiated his cancellation[1]. I’ve pasted it from that post below [2]. The author of that post quoted this and then somehow inferred this [3]. How she (and everyone reading it thereafter) went from one line to the next from “she PRESENTED herself as willing” (not that she actually was willing), “assuming she was being COERCED by Epstein” somehow got reinterpreted as “she was entirely willing”. Nothing RMS said stated he thought she wasn’t a victim, just that Minsky may not have known due to how Epstein coerced her to present herself. But hey, the witch hunters got their burning. [1] https://medium.com/@selamjie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec210794 https://medium.com/@selamjie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec2... [2] We can imagine many scenarios, but the most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely willing. Assuming she was being coerced by Epstein, he would have had every reason to tell her to conceal that from most of his associates. [3] and then he says that an enslaved child could, somehow, be “entirely willing”.

the_jeremy 6y ago

A direct quote of RMS from his website[0]: The nominee is quoted as saying that if the choice of a sexual partner were protected by the Constitution, "prostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child pornography, and even incest and pedophilia" also would be. He is probably mistaken, legally--but that is unfortunate. All of these acts should be legal as long as no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and narrowmindedness. [0]: https://stallman.org/archives/2003-may-aug.html https://stallman.org/archives/2003-may-aug.html --- I don't think child pornography should be legal.

skissane 6y ago
A much more recent quote from his website[0]: 14 September 2019 (Sex between an adult and a child is wrong) Many years ago I posted that I could not see anything wrong about sex between an adult and a child, if the child accepted it. Through personal conversations in recent years, I've learned to understand how sex with a child can harm per psychologically. This changed my mind about the matter: I think adults should not do that. I am grateful for the conversations that enabled me to understand why. [0] https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#14_September_2019_(Sex_between_an_adult_and_a_child_is_wrong) https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#14_September... --- Stallman's former view on this was always wrong. But it is good to hear he has changed his mind, and I think to be fair to him, if one brings up his former views, one should also bring up his more recent disavowal of them.
- krapp 6y ago
  To be fair, that disavowal came after his former behavior and views - which went not only accepted but defended by his peers and followers for years (including on HN following his "cancellation") finally became too much for people around him to bear. No other public figure with a history like his would be given even a shadow of a benefit of the doubt over nothing but a brief blog entry. If he were a politician or a celebrity HN would want to see him hanged with the rest of the degenerate elites. I hope that he has changed his mind, but until there's some evidence that he's changed his behavior, there's no reason to assume he was doing anything but covering his ass (possibly at the behest of someone else) and trying to save his position and status. That's what would be assumed of anyone else, that's what should be assumed of him.

fellellor 6y ago

Not this shit again...!