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Siberian town in arctic circle hits 101°F (38°C)
- atemerev 6y agoWhile it is still a temperature record, I want to point out that +30C range temperatures were not unseen there before. There are hot summers in Siberia due to the extreme continental climate. (Source: was born in Siberia).
- exDM69 6y agoThere has been unusual hot and cold spells of weather on the high latitudes in the past year or so due to the arctic polar vortex behaving in an unusual way. My knowledge is limited, if there's a meteorologist reading this comment, please enlighten us on the topic.
- hootbootscoot 6y agoNORTHERN Siberia? I'll grant you that Barnaul certainly knows of 35c+ temps, but arctic circle? Heat records have been broken. Source: broken heat records.
- atemerev 6y agoYup. “In June, July, and August, daytime temperatures over +30 °C (86 °F) are not uncommon.[19]” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verkhoyansk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verkhoyansk)
- zaarn 6y agoAverage temps in that town go from -40C during winter to +15C during summer (with excursions outside this average below -60C and above +30C)
- jialutu 6y agoWhy is this comment being downvoted? I swear, the HN comments section is just gutter trash as insightful comments like this gets downvoted, whereas pointless comments gets upvoted to the top.
- dang 6y agoWould you please stop breaking the site guidelines? We've asked you before and you've continued to do it repeatedly (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23496667 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23496667). This is not cool and will end with us having to ban you. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here, we'd be grateful.
- DanBC 6y agoYes, but it's useful to compare last year and this year: https://twitter.com/defis_eu/status/1275337834937884676 https://twitter.com/defis_eu/status/1275337834937884676
- jasonlingx 6y agoIs this true? That's hotter than most days here in tropical Singapore! Where are the photos and videos of the locals sunbathing? I’m really curious how they are reacting to the unusual (for them) warm weather.
- paganel 6y agoPeople don't always sunbath when it's hot outside, quite the contrary, we're actively searching for the shade. At least in the parts of Europe from where I'm from (Eastern Europe, to be more precise).
- brabel 6y agoIf you live in a place like Australia or Brazil, the best place to be is on the beach!! It has a nice cool breeze, usually, and the water is very refreshing... But you really need shade, for sure, and very strong sunscreen :)
- unixhero 6y agoNever forget your Slip Slap Slops! Slip on a shirt, Slop on the 50+ sunscreen, Slap on a hat[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slip-Slop-Slap https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slip-Slop-Slap
- chippy 6y agoif Siberia is anything like Canada or Scandinavia during a warm summer then the very last thing people want to do is to be outside. Outside when the frost melts means the air is full of newly hatched hungry mosquitos looking to bite and drink blood.
- bregma 6y agoSure, the mosquitoes are bad. They're nothing compared to the blackflies that come earlier and the deerflies that come later. In a northern temperate climate there are two seasons: frostbite and bugbite.
- deweller 6y agoHeadline: The Arctic Circle Hit 101°F Saturday Actual details from the article: This past weekend, a small Russian town in the Arctic Circle hit ... 100.4 degrees Fahrenheit How can Forbes justify using this headline?
- hootbootscoot 6y agoUmmm it's factually correct? Re: "A small Russian town" lol, Do you propose that temperatures were different 50km away? There is a massive heat wave rolling through NORTHERN Siberia right now, and it's not been confined to one town nor is this "record" the only broken heat record. Southern Siberia, like the Altai region, hit's such temperatures regularly, but that's Novosibirsk and south. What we are referring to here is unprecedented, so let's please stop acting as if ANTHROPOGENIC CLIMATE CHANGE wasn't a factual reality threatening mammalian life on earth.
- gambiting 6y agoLiterally no one here is saying that, please stop acting as if people are.
- 87zuhjkas 6y agoPlease stop acting as if you know what literally all people are not saying.
- washadjeffmad 6y agoI agree that the language used to diminish the event matches the inaccuracies of the article. However, no one is communicating well here, and you're not a moderator on this thread.
- dang 6y agoPlease don't use uppercase for emphasis. If you want to emphasize a word or phrase, put asterisks around it and it will get italicized. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
- redis_mlc 6y agoI read the article. The author (a tropical geologist) mixes up weather (temporary) with climate (long-term), among other things. The concern of arctic residents is if the weather is hot enough, for long enough, to melt the permafrost. That has numerous repercussions, including emissions, transportation and wildlife. For example, any highways or pipelines on top of permafrost will dislocate if permafrost melts. But overall, Canada is in favor of glabal warming. Most of our land mass is not arable with the current climate. Source: Canadian, eh.
- tilt_error 6y agoThey just had a massive diesel oil spill in Siberia due to permafrost loss, which broke equipment. Oil is now following rivers up north to the coast.
- baq 6y agoi think it'd be smarter to keep Canada's land the way it is until you figure out how to handle a few (dozen) million of immigrants per year whose land used to be arable...
- TMWNN 6y agoMy understanding is that the bulk of the US's arable land (i.e., the Midwest) won't be much affected by climate change. It might move sideways, but it won't turn into desert. Conversely, Canada is not expected to be a great beneficiary of climate change (except for the Northwest Passage becoming passable), because most of what is not currently used isn't because of temperature, but because it is muskeg.
- cmrdporcupine 6y agoCanadians are throwing away farmland to build McMansions and freeways at a record pace, so I don't think there's anything sensible to the commenter's line about Canadians "wanting more farmland" (which makes no sense anyways). Source: I live rural on farmland in greenbelt in Ontario.
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- ImaCake 6y agoThe town is Verhoyansk for those who don't want to click a forbes article. I feel this is clickbait (at least the title). Continental climates fluctuate a lot. One day breaking a record could simple be a statistical outlier. A poke around the records does show that the entirety of June so far has been well above average, and that this is not normal. But I guess "global warming slowly driving more extreme high temperatures in artic siberia" doesn't get as many clicks. June 2020 weather records for Verhoyansk: http://www.pogodaiklimat.ru/monitor.php?id=24266&month=06&year=2020 http://www.pogodaiklimat.ru/monitor.php?id=24266&month=06&ye...
- mratsim 6y agoIt has trends for the past 40 years > It is well known that the poles warm faster as a result of climate change. For example, the average increase in temperature on Earth over the past 40 years is 1.44°F. In comparison, the Arctic has warmed by more than 3.5°F during the same period, more than double the global average.
- ImaCake 6y agoI wonder if there is some connection between variance in temperature extremes and average warming? I feel it could either be due to the same underlying cause or because larger variance will mean the average warming will appear larger. I suspect the former (i.e. it really is warming faster in the poles). I guess one could think of Siberia as a canary in the coal mine for global warming. Not that we should need one.
- PoachedSausage 6y agoI wonder if there are some effects from the reduced pollution over the last few months of lockdown. We have had some unusual weather in the UK, like the sunniest spring on record.
- qayxc 6y agoProbably not. It's a very common mistake to confuse local phenomena (i.e. "weather") with global patterns (i.e. "climate"). My area saw the hottest and driest spring ever recorded last year, but this year we had some rain and temperatures were modest (despite still being above average overall).
- rabanne 6y agoBreaking News: Weather glitch confirms climate change came 80 years faster than expected!
- perfunctory 6y agoIn case somebody is wondering about the significance of a temperature record https://books.google.com/books?id=N0FLSOmeFPsC&pg=PT59 https://books.google.com/books?id=N0FLSOmeFPsC&pg=PT59 Bottom line: records are extremely rare if events occur at random. If new records become far more common than the harmonic series predicts, then this is telling us that annual climatic events are no longer independent annual events but are beginning to form part of a systematic non-random trend.
- kbutler 6y ago1915: 100 degrees (from the article) 2020: 100.4 degrees (unverified, as described in the article) How significant is this newly reported record temperature? Is it conceivable that the warm day in 1915 reached 100.4 degrees? Maybe we've changed - the amount of reporting of records - the way we measure (thermometer and other equipment changes) - the frequency of measurement (periodic to continuous) - the immediate area (urbanization, equipment use) - the number of measurements (every location gets a chance for a record update) - the precision of reporting etc.
- refurb 6y agoWhy is this downvoted? These are entirely reasonable questions. One reason why climate research is so hard is because of the variability of historic temperature data.
- kitd 6y agoReading some of the comments in this thread, it's amazing that the scientific study of climate and the atmosphere has become a matter of political identity.
- hkai 6y agoWhat do you think is the reason? Some of the arguments that I heard include the suggestion that some of the radical environmental plans may cause serious losses of jobs and tax revenue, and increase poverty, while other heavy polluters would get ahead and dominate the world's politics and economy.
- tonyedgecombe 6y agoThe fact that it is inconvenient doesn't invalidate the reality.
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- travisporter 6y ago"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" - Upton Sinclair But more charitably, I could also see people going past worrying to denial/dismissal
- soupfordummies 6y agoVery small sample size and a different issue to be sure, but with people I've interacted with that dispute the validity/importance of the Coronavirus, they are being driven primarily by denial/dismissal. To accept it and and work from there to adapt and mitigate is terrifying. I think you can probably say the same about climate change. Additionally, I think you could draw a line that these denials are influenced by those protecting their "salaries"
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- splitrocket 6y agoThere's an upper limit to human survivability given heat and humidity levels: Wet Bulb temperature of 35C. Humans can't sweat fast enough to maintain homeostasis. https://www.weather.gov/safety/heat-index https://www.weather.gov/safety/heat-index Hasn't happened yet for sufficient periods in any substantially populated impoverished area, but when it does, well, the horror will be incalculable.
- scruple 6y agoIs the wet bulb temperature the same for all humans or does age/size come into play?
- splitrocket 6y agoWell, interestingly enough, the factors are both what you would normally consider a "vulnerable" population, but also, folks with a high metabolic rate (athletes) as well. https://ksi.uconn.edu/emergency-conditions/heat-illnesses/exertional-heat-stroke/heat-stroke-risk-factors/ https://ksi.uconn.edu/emergency-conditions/heat-illnesses/ex... Low hydration is also a factor, and when you consider than millions of USA-ians may not be able to afford their water bill, well... https://www.consumerreports.org/personal-finance/millions-of-americans-cant-afford-water-as-bills-rise-80-percent-in-a-decade/ https://www.consumerreports.org/personal-finance/millions-of...
- hannob 6y agoThe wet bulb temperature is when your body can no longer cool with sweat. This is the same for everyone and is a relation between humidity and temperature. This is basically a physical thing and is the same for everyone. It means your body temperature will just go up until it reaches a point where you can no longer survive. Of course there's still differences on how much that matters. A healthy person can sustain a longer period of time with a slightly elevated temperature. A person with health problems may have issues much earlier. But in the end... with wet bulb temperature noone can survive without external cooling for longer periods of time.
- czbond 6y agoI don't disagree - but the south of USA this is just called "August"
- Vysero 6y ago"This dramatic warming of the Arctic up to triple-digit temperatures was not expected to happen until 2100 from climate change." It happened one time, I am not sure if this statement is warranted. In 1937, Montana recorded the hottest temperate it ever recorded when it reached 117 degrees in Medicine Lake. Not saying this was a fluke, but it could have been. It happens all the time.
- simonebrunozzi 6y agoMaybe the wildfires burning has a lot to do with it. [0] [0]: https://www.ecowatch.com/wildfires-siberia-russia-2645912533.html https://www.ecowatch.com/wildfires-siberia-russia-2645912533...
- austincheney 6y agoThe average high is 68 so this recorded high is an offset of about 32 degrees which is huge. Imagine what that does to the ground that is normal filled with frozen moisture. For some reason it has been consistently 8 to 15 degrees cooler than normal everyday this summer here in Kuwait. Not as extreme a difference but still strange weather. November 2018 Kuwait saw its largest flood event on record and then 10 days later there was a second flood that was 2 to 3 times greater than that record setter.
- AlexTWithBeard 6y agoFolks, let's be consistent. Either we accept record highs as an evidence for climate change, but also accept record lows as an evidence against, or we refuse both based on the statement that "weather is not climate".
- dctoedt 6y agoBoth record highs AND record lows can be evidence of climate change. [0] https://scijinks.gov/polar-vortex/#:~:text=A%20polar%20vortex%20is%20a,temperatures%20in%20the%20United%20States https://scijinks.gov/polar-vortex/#:~:text=A%20polar%20vorte....