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The article makes two points/claims. - Soft foods leads to small dental arches and thus crowding - carb-rich (i.e. Western diets) lead to decay Basically, yo
by ip26 6y ago
The article makes two points/claims.
- Soft foods leads to small dental arches and thus crowding
- carb-rich (i.e. Western diets) lead to decay
Basically, you're agreeing with the article.
- mc32 6y agoDon’t/didn’t indigenous peoples eat roots like cassava and potatoes, beets, etc., even rice?
- bsima 6y agoDifferent indigenous peoples ate very different diets, from zero carb to mostly carb, but each group ate a smaller variety of foods because they were constrained by their geography. Most diets were high in animal fats though, and even the ones that were high in carbohydrate had adequate amounts of animal fat in the form of cheese and (raw, whole) milk.
- masonic 6y agoPotatoes didn't exist in the Old World until brought from South America. Corn (maize) and tomatoes also came from the New World.
- triyambakam 6y agoIt's not carb-rich diets, it's processed carbohydrates. Every culture on earth eats predominately carbohydrates, with a very small few exceptions like Inuit or some peoples in Africa. Asia has mostly rice, Africa various roots, South/North America it was corn, etc. Humans are (loosely) starch-ivores
- bsima 6y agoPrice observed that the great majority of traditional diets were high in animal fats. He theorized that vitamin K, which is mostly acquired from animal fat, was the key health-promoting factor. Humans are more likely facultative carnivores than grain-eaters.
- xyzzyz 6y agoTraditional to whom, to hunter gatherers? Early farmers living in tribes? Or people living under strong states that developed over past few thousands years?
- bsima 6y agoPrice observed the traditional cultures he had access to at the time, you can read the details for yourself here: http://www.journeytoforever.org/farm_library/price/pricetoc.html http://www.journeytoforever.org/farm_library/price/pricetoc....
- jungletime 6y agoBased on my visit to India, travels around middle east, and third world countries. Oils, and fats are the most affordable way to get a high enough amount of calories in a diet for the poor masses. So even if you're poor, and eating rice everyday. It will be typically with something oily and some spices to add flavour.
- chrisco255 6y agoI read the book, he travelled to multiple continents and generally this is pre- industrial diets, or prior to introduction of vegetable and seed oils, refined sugars, processed carbs, etc. Because he was able to do this research in the 20s, the industrial diet hadn't quite taken over. He also studied mummies in South America. They overwhelmingly had perfect teeth, prior to introduction of modern junk food.
- partyboat1586 6y agoI wonder how they survived berries. Because berries are not good for your teeth due to high (natural) sugar content.
- blaser-waffle 6y agoModern fruits have wayyy more sugar than wild plants, due to years and years of selective breeding. Even then you still have a lot of fiber and acid to slow down the release and absorption of sugars.
- johnkpaul 6y agoDo you have a source for the starch-ivore comment? Id like to do some research. Thanks.
- triyambakam 6y agoYes I first heard about it through the work of Nathianel Dominy [1] [2] [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2377015/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2377015/ [2] https://youtube.com/watch?v=ufNEoLeVplc https://youtube.com/watch?v=ufNEoLeVplc
- na-- 6y agoThere's a very interesting and long 6-year old discussion in the comments of the YouTube video you posted. In it, Marcinmd1 makes a lot of very good points, against the premise of the video...
- vczf 6y agoWhat is a processed carbohydrate to you? Only refined wheat flower, white rice, and sucrose? These issues started with the shift to agriculture, and the cultures I believe you're describing are all agricultural. That's why civilization exists at all. Hunter gatherers ate all sorts of things. But starch and sugar was not easily accessible. Wild rice, for instance, would be painstaking to gather and consume in large amounts. Roots and tubers would be small and have lots of antinutrients, keeping you from eating a lot of them. Fruits were seasonal and generally tiny. If I were a hunter gatherer, in the absence of fresh hunted meat, I would get more nutritional value out of worms or larvae in the dirt than a handful of tubers that may give me a stomachache. Insects are animal protein (and fat).
- chrisco255 6y agoNo the people he studied were in the 1920s. Traditional diets vs newer modern industrial diets. Vast majority of cultures were agricultural since 5000BC. It's seed and vegetable oils (not used as dietary fat source until industrial methods made it possible in early 20th century), white bread, enriched flour, high fructose corn syrup, excessive sugar, etc.
- chrisco255 6y agoWhat does "predominantly" mean in the context of diet? Carbs, proteins, and fats all make a very statistically significant portion of most diets.
- triyambakam 6y agoMost industrial diets rather, but for traditional agricultural diets, complex carbohydrates are 70-80 percent of the diet.
- canjobear 6y agoEvery agricultural culture eats primarily carbs. And the onset of agriculture is associated with the onset of tooth decay (and many signs of malnutrition) in the archaeological record.
- elric 6y agoI thought that link between agriculture and tooth decay was due to the early "milling" techniques which introduced bits of stone into the food, causing mechanical wear? I don't remember where I got this from, however.
- cies 6y agoNon-human primates also eat predominantly carbs, but mostly from fruits (and not from grains, which are highly cultivated by humans). So I guess it's good to distinguish between sugars-from-fruit and starches-from-grains.
- odiroot 6y agoHumans farming is a very very recent development. People existed for millennia before they started farming crops.
- bsima 6y agoYeah but mentioned Begg and doesn't mention Price. Begg advocated for mechanical intervention, Price advocated for nutritional intervention. Only mentioning Begg presents a biased view on possible therapies.
- toochini 6y agoCarbs are actually not bad, but if you do not have the proper micronutrients in place they’ll just mess your teeth and your health. Cue obesity, diabetes, dental issues, poor resistance to infection
- amelius 6y agoCould you provide some more information on this?