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It's been making the argument that Korea's aggressive testing has allowed them greater control over the epidemic. Of course, there are a variety of other facto
by joe_the_user 7y ago
It's been making the argument that Korea's aggressive testing has allowed them greater control over the epidemic.
Of course, there are a variety of other factors at work. Italy is the second "oldest" country in the world after Japan so Coronavirus infections just would be more deadly there. Also a lot of the Korean infections were confined to a single city in Korea (though the Italian infections also had an epicenter).
- jacquesm 7y agoKorea had people actively (hard to believe, I know) making things much worse. But they didn't downplay it for the first two weeks after the virus took hold. With these exponential issues time is everything.
- enitihas 7y agoYup, Korea's Patient #31 made things a lot worse, or else they would be doing much better right now.
- dominotw 7y agooh now I am .curious what that person did?
- __s 7y agoWent to church. Twice.
- gnulinux 7y agoWould you be able to explain what did they do?
- Riseed 7y ago"Of the 152 cases [article dated Feb 21] that have been found in the city, the majority have been linked to a [church], where Patient 31, a woman said to be in her 60s, is known to have attended at least four services before being diagnosed." https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-south-korea-cult-daegu-patient-31-doomsday-church-jesus-a9349131.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-so...
- endogui 7y agoAs of last night the number of cult-linked cases was "more than half". So > 3500. It turns out that in addition to worship services teice per week a lot of the cult members save money by living together. So even though worship has been stopped for nearly a month, new cult cases are still being reported.
- enitihas 7y agoWent to two massive church gatherings while advised to isolate, gatherings with 1000 people.
- gnulinux 7y agoI'm curious if something like this can be considered criminal. What if the mortality rate was higher? If the mortality rate was 100%, ethically would this be murder?
- SpicyLemonZest 7y agoIt can be. There's a criminal investigation of the cult's leadership ongoing.
- 1-6 7y agoIt's not really a church. They're a secretive society of church corrupters spreading false teachings.
- dceddia 7y agoFor others wondering about the story behind Patient 31, here’s an article with a timeline: https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEALTH-SOUTHKOREA-CLUSTERS/0100B5G33SB/index.html https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEALTH-SOUTHKOREA-CLUSTER...
- magicsmoke 7y agoIf Italy is the second oldest country in the world after Japan, how do they have 800 deaths compared to 16 in Japan? Something about those numbers seems off. Is it because Japan's elderly population tend to live in rural areas compared to Italy's or something else societally related?
- DyslexicAtheist 7y agomeh. I've been married to a Japanese for over 2 decades now, and lived in Tokyo for many years including when Fukushima happened. I wouldn't trust Japanese politicians with their reported numbers any more as I'd trust China or the US. There is one difference in Japan to Italy that might explain the lower infection rates: it's socially accepted to wear face masks (not only since covid but since the 90ies actually!)
- magicsmoke 7y agoEven if the numbers aren't reliable, reports of Japanese intensive care units being overrun aren't easy to hide, but Japanese hospitals don't seem to be under the same pressure as hospitals in Italy. Making mask wearing more acceptable might be a cultural adjustment humanity has to make as we become more urbanized and globalized if it'll help reduce the severity of disease transmission. Looks like Japan's stumbled onto a very useful societal adaptation.
- Aeolun 7y agoJapan has a lot of intensive care units. I guess it comes with having a generally older population.
- tooltalk 7y agobut not compared to other developed countries (except England): [1] [2] Germany 3.7 24.6 France 3.3 9.3 England 2.7 3.3 USA 2.4 20 Canada 2.4 13.5 Japan 2.2 4 to 5 1. Ratio of physicians to patients (per 1,000 population) 2. Number of ICU beds (per 100,000 population)
- swasheck 7y agoage is correlated, not causal. there are simply too many other factors. a generally compliant national attitude, combined with aggressive testing, and community-orientation probably had as much to do with south korea's success so far.
- tpush 7y ago> Italy is the second "oldest" country in the world after Japan [..] By median age Germany is actually older than Italy, though. Not sure how age really correlates here.
- btilly 7y agoPer https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-se... the number of deaths is very strongly correlated with how many are 70+. Median and average don't matter. Density of senior citizens does.