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Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets
- heinrichhartman 7y agoNice effort. Was this compiled manually, or by scraping Tweets?
- bishalb 7y agoProbably by using Twitter's API.
- Bogdanp 7y agoI know these people willingly shared this information in public, but, for whatever reason, this compilation makes me uncomfortable. EDIT to clarify: what makes me uncomfortable about this is not the broad range of salaries. I don't find that surprising at all. It's gathering all this information together and associating it with people's names (and complete bios!) that bothers me. Some of them may find they want to delete those tweets later.
- grumple 7y agoIt includes people from all over the world. US skilled salaries are usually 2x+ (not just for tech, but also things like healthcare) salaries in Europe. Remember they have social safety nets and lower costs for things like education and healthcare, we do not. Also this list has a very small sample size, and very few people from big tech, otherwise the pay would skew significantly higher.
- quelltext 7y agoUhm, safety nets etc. do not really offset this. That's because Europe also has higher taxes though/autodeductions. When someone in Germany casually says 50k per year pre tax, they typically mean pre deductions (tax and social/health insurance) and the effective received money is more around 25k per year. People in the US underestimate how much of ones salary a European has to give up for that safety net.
- DasIch 7y ago50k per year pre tax in Germany, would end up being 30k after taxes. If you're married, you'd get substantial tax benefits and there are also benefits, if you have children.
- eecc 7y agoWell those benefits still go towards payments you have to do anyway and it’s never 100%... (eg in NL you’d pay ~1k/month in childcare, and get back ~800. You’re still down ~2.5k/year)
- DasIch 7y agoIn Germany childcare costs vary a lot and depend on your income, so it's hard to say what somebody would pay for that. However you'd definitely pay less than 400/month. If you're paying more than 200/month, you got quite unlucky. In some places, such as Berlin, childcare is free.
- eecc 7y agoYup, Germany is surprisingly more generous than NL. But here the Liberals have been working hard to prevent a “Scandinavian socialist hellhole”... ;)
- komali2 7y agoIf we're going to calculate like that I think it's only fair to calculate in the average American's medical cost including insurance premiums which can put quite the dent in effective take home pay.
- K0SM0S 7y agoEverytime I look at it, the US in PPP per capita¹ is ~10th worldwide, ranking behind places like Luxembourg, Norway, Switzerland. But well above the bulk of Europe including France, Germany. The problem when comparing is that the structure of a city-state like Luxembourg or Singapore has nothing to do with big countries; and even France or Germany are like 1/5th of the US in population, much less in area, so you can't compare much, certainly not the homogeneity. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)...
- adventured 7y agoThe lower cost for healthcare gap is about $5,000 to $6,000 per person in other developed nations vs the US. It doesn't come close to offsetting the far higher US skilled salaries figures compared to Europe. When US university costs were far lower circa year 2000, that also didn't imply a narrower gap with Europe on skilled salaries. University costs are a phenomenon caused by the US Government destructively backing ever higher education loan increases, causing a spiral of fees by universities. It wasn't caused by higher US wages (which have existed for a very long time). That is better explained by a simple fact: the US has far higher economic output per capita than Europe. Before this decade is out, the US will double the GDP per capita of France, Japan, UK. Unless they all snap out of stagnation soon. It's not that the US is growing super fast, it's that most developed countries haven't been growing much at all for the last ~12-13 years.
- mk89 7y agoUnfortunately in Europe we tend to be brainwashed about the health insurance, as if this was taking half your salary. Thanks a lot for clarifying this, I hope that people start to understand that the salaries for highly skilled people in Europe are just ridiculous.
- karatestomp 7y agoHealth insurance may not be so bad for a $300K+ SV software engineer, but it's terrible for just about everyone else. My wife's a teacher and for a while we had to use her health insurance, which meant getting the "family plan" option through her school district. The cost of that? Half her take-home pay. And it's not even a very good plan (i.e. we were still exposed to a lot of risk, we had a couple medical things come up in the same span of time and were out several thousand more dollars for those). Now, sure, I make way more money than her so we were fine, but her single-parenting colleagues? The couples in which both are teachers? They're not so lucky. And more jobs pay way closer to a teacher's salary, and may have even worse health benefits, than pay anything like SV software developer money. Half may be an exaggeration, but for normal people losing 15-30% of their post-tax income to healthcare is probably about right. And of course we're already paying Medicare & Medicaid taxes on top of that.
- cdoxsey 7y agoThe US has social safety nets. Nearly half the federal budget is spent on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. And there are numerous other programs: unemployment, housing assistance, snap, etc. There are also state and local programs as well as private charities.
- uncletaco 7y agoSocial security and Medicare are both social safety nets that one cannot take advantage of while they're working in most cases, and everything else you've mentioned either requires a person to be in extreme poverty or severely disabled. Meanwhile a healthy, young, gainfully employed person in France can take advantage of a wealth of social services and benefits. Mentioning them the way you have requires a very uncharitable interpretation of the previous posters point.
- nsxwolf 7y agoThe American system sounds like what something called a “safety net” should provide. Why would someone actually need to use a safety net while they are healthy, young, and gainfully employed?
- grumple 7y agoI should have said "socialized services" in my original post. Sorry, I've been brainwashed by years of American right-wing owned media to call it a safety net.
- RestlessMind 7y ago> Meanwhile a healthy, young, gainfully employed person in France can take advantage of a wealth of social services and benefits. If they have such an amazing welfare system, then why are the French perennially rioting[1]? And why do so many recent French presidents have abysmal approval ratings[2]? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_civil_unrest_in_France#21st_century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_civil_unr... [2] Macron: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_the_Emmanuel_Macron_presidency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_the_Emmanue... Hollande: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Hollande#Approval_ratings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Hollande#Approva... Sarkozy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Nicolas_Sarkozy#Opinion_polling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Nicolas_Sarkozy#...
- standardUser 7y agoGenerally, people who brag about something or like to show off are less likely to be on the average or below average segment of the distribution.
- scarface74 7y agoI don’t talk about my salary with current coworkers, but I talk about salary openly to former coworkers in my same area and friends who I know make about the same or more than I do. Nothing can come good out of sharing my salary with current coworkers.
- danlugo92 7y ago>Nothing can come good out of sharing my salary with current coworkers. Care to expand?
- scarface74 7y agoIf I make more than they do and they think they should make the same amount, what’s to stop them from storming into the HR department and bringing my name up as a reason that they should make more? Even though it is illegal to fire someone for discussing salary, that and a nickel will buy me a piece of five cent candy. If they make more than I do, what am I going to do with that piece of information? I can’t very well bring it up at salary negotiations. Besides, I have been around long enough to know that the best way to “get a raise” is to change companies.
- mLuby 7y agoWhen I learned that the (more talented) women on a team earned less than the men (maybe less negotiating, IDK), I said something to the team manager. No idea if it did anything, but I hope it did. And I certainly wouldn't have said anything if I hadn't known the discrepancy.
- bootlooped 7y agoIf you know what your coworkers make, you have a better idea what you can negotiate up to than if you didn't. That's true even if you can't go into a discussion and name names and dollar amounts that you know. If a coworker told me their compensation, I would not reveal that in a discussion about my own pay. I hope that the reverse is also true. I think it's a mature and cool-headed position to have. Not everybody is mature and cool-headed though. I have also heard the best way to get a raise is to move companies. I like my job though.
- rb808 7y agoYeah doesn't seem hard to add columns for their address, where their kids go to school and their current location.
- rvz 7y agoWhat is this spreadsheet supposed to prove? It sounds like its either a ego-measuring contest of which company has the best salaries + compensation with position in a certain country (Hint: It's still FAAMNG in Silicon Valley) or it is a giant weird flexing spreadsheet to show that devs in developed countries are paid more that those in third-world countries (Even those who work remotely). The compensation in somewhere like California is still high due to the cost of living such as the high rents, travel, childcare and most importantly healthcare which isn't free unlike some places like the UK it is but paid via taxes. This is why some people don't understand when they see a certain celebrity programmer on this spreadsheet that works for one of the FAAMNGs and is apparently 'paid less' in the UK but some lesser known devs in the US are 'paid more' in the same company. Again it turns out that it depends on the country they are in and it seems to be similar to something called 'Purchasing Power Parity'.
- golergka 7y agoThat's still very useful information. Personally, I'm loving in a second world country and don't plan on moving in the near future, however, I am entertaining an option of trying to get remote contacts from US, and seeing how much would a company from SF have to pay for an on-premise developer is not only rationally helpful to set up my prices, but also very constructive for me emotionally to counter my imposter complex and general anxiety. I'm really thankful to both developers who shared their salaries as well as to whoever compiled this spreadsheet.
- tchaffee 7y agoIt's useful to see what your peers are earning, especially for your next salary negotiation. And it's pretty obvious that if you don't live in SF, you shouldn't expect SF salaries.
- komali2 7y agoThis was always strange for me, and is a regular drunken debate between my roommates and I. If a company operates in a global market, why should it pay dramatically different salaries in different cities? For example, our London engineers make like 70k to our 140. But we both work on the same product. We both make the company the same amount of money. I've always thought it was just another bit of bullshit capitalist policy by companies. Another way to save a dime. My roommates argue about lower cost of living etc. The ONLY argument I've been at all convinced by is if one imagies a co-op of several individual contributors that happen to be distributed. All provide equal value. Some live in Hanoi, some in San Francisco. They have a limited pool of income to distribute, and they decide they want to do so based on the metric of Comfort Of Living, which thus results in Hanoi employee taking home less so their SF colleagues can have an comfort of living. But the clincher there is the extremely limited static income. That's the excuse I think companies make, but any time I've seen the financials, I've seen plenty of room to pay everyone fairly. If the company can't afford to give everyone SF salaries, then how can you justify hiring any SF engineers? It smacks of classism, it smacks of corporate plutocracy.
- njitbew 7y ago> Contractor / CEO / founder, $900k base, $1b equity This one made me smile.
- caev 7y agoThese tweets are pretty rubbish, why would someone think that they should earn the same salary as someone else? Salaries should be different even in the same company, that way people are then encouraged to work and study harder and to better negotiate and know their value. But these tweets are even worse and it's comparing different companies and countries.
- paulgb 7y agoThis is just a spreadsheet of tweets that share salary info, where do you see an implication that everyone should earn the same salary? I believe this is intended to help people negotiate. Those of us who have a network of friends in tech get this information informally that way, but salary sharing like this gives people who don't have that network a starting point (albeit one riddled with selection bias and low sample size).
- caev 7y agoThis is what the first tweet was about, it was talking about fixing inequality "especially for underrepresented groups like women and minorities" I don't think it's helping clueless people to know what they could earn, these kind of information are available everywhere, such as Glassdoor, and they are anonymously published.
- SolaceQuantum 7y agoWhat’s wrong with more data? Levels skews only to US based salaries while Glassdoor weighs older salaries excessively (thereby skewing lower).
- tchaffee 7y agoWhere in the spreadsheet does it say salaries shouldn't be different? Information is usually a good tool you can use to your benefit. But if you don't find this information useful, no harm done to you.
- bobmaxup 7y agoI am terribly underpaid.
- willis936 7y agoI feel that. Though I don’t have to live in a CA hellscape where half my paycheck has go to rent.
- senordevnyc 7y agoIt’s really not that bad. I just took a job in NYC at Square making $420k my first year (though stock price increase is already pushing that closer to $500k) and my rent is $4300 for a 2 bedroom in a doorman building in manhattan. It’s expensive, but only about 10% of my gross income. Once you include my wife’s income, it’s even less of a big deal (and she makes under six figures). You might consider CA a hellscape for other reasons, but the cost-of-living-adjusted salaries for big tech in SF, Seattle, and NYC are higher than anywhere else in the country.
- dennisgorelik 7y ago> cost-of-living-adjusted salaries for big tech in SF, Seattle, and NYC are higher than anywhere else in the country ... if you do not have children. Consider how much you would have to pay for a modest 2000 square feet house in SF or NYC.
- senordevnyc 7y agoI do have a child. And she goes to a $55k / year private school. My point still stands.
- randallsquared 7y agoFor NYC, there are a smattering of houses under (to pick an arbitrary cutoff) 900K at 2000 square feet: https://streeteasy.com/houses/nyc/status:open%7Cprice:-600000%7Csqft%3E=2000%7Carea:100,300,400,200 https://streeteasy.com/houses/nyc/status:open%7Cprice:-60000... Many have mortgage payment estimates under what senordevnyc mentioned paying for rent, now.
- lowdose 7y agoJust check https://levels.fyi https://levels.fyi also started out as a spreadsheet.
- rvz 7y agoIt only accounts for US salaries in dollars and those looking to relocate there. For those outside of the US, you're out of luck.
- mattlondon 7y agoI think it has normalised the salaries to USD so that they can be compared easily. Many roles listing USD salaries are in locations outside of the US.
- henrik_w 7y agoGreat site I didn't know about. Thanks for sharing!
- dzdt 7y agoOne of the main ways that employers keep salaries down is information asymmetry. A large business knows with certainty what salary their employees accept, and will have high quality statistical reports on what their competitors pay. Individuals especially near the start of their careers have much less information on what salary corporations may pay. The corporations use this information advantage to help in salary negotiations. Efforts like this may have quality issues but do help to reduce the imformation disparity between corporations and employees.
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- halbritt 7y agoThis helps: https://www.levels.fyi/ https://www.levels.fyi/ From my experience (I manage folks in one of those companies) it seems to be pretty accurate.
- tchaffee 7y agoWhen I started my career in software engineering, I increased my salary 300% in one year as a result of ignoring taboos and talking to peers about what they were earning. Anecdote yes, but perhaps useful to some who look at these numbers and wonder if they could earn more. Chances are you could. The taboo around talking about salaries is to the benefit of companies and who do actually have that information already. Negotiations in which one party has more information usually go better for that party. So it's good to see a new generation of engineers being comfortable talking about this, and in a very public way.
- dijit 7y agoWhen I was a junior sysadmin in London I earned 26k; If not for a senior engineer talking openly about salary I would not have had the guts to ask for a significant increase. At the time the very senior people in the company were earning 75-85k, and the mid-levels between 32-45k. I was fortunate enough to be taught very well, I became senior in that company in a very short amount of time, but I never got the raise that the seniors got, but when I was looking at other companies, I knew what I was "worth" realistically. I'm eternally thankful for the internal culture at that company during that time, because I would not have had nearly the amount of confidence necessary to ask for such a (seemingly) large amount of money.
- tsycho 7y agoOrthogonal to your anecdote, tech salaries in London are ridiculously low :(
- loriverkutya 7y agoI’m not sure why you think this, tech salaries are not low compared to the London average.
- CalRobert 7y agoBut the London average is what's low.
- myth_drannon 7y agoI wonder how many people are going to get fired for their tweets. I see some very famous names severely underpaid, curious if they are going to get a bump in their salary or get fired.
- colinbartlett 7y agoIn the US, the National Labor Relations Act expressly forbids employers from preventing employees from discussing wages. So it’s certainly not legal for a company to fire someone for their tweet, at least in the US.
- pansa2 7y agoIsn’t it true that you can be fired in the US without being given a reason? Incidentally, I’ve always thought this was one of the reasons US salaries are so high. Employees in the US are almost comparable to contractors in Europe (who are paid significantly more than permanent employees).
- lazyasciiart 7y agoYep https://www.seattletimes.com/explore/careers/can-you-get-fired-for-sharing-your-salary-publicly/ https://www.seattletimes.com/explore/careers/can-you-get-fir... And hmm, that's an interesting comparison. Contractors in the US are also paid significantly more than employees.
- ghaff 7y ago>Contractors in the US are also paid significantly more than employees. Not really surprising all other things being equal. Contractors are often not getting benefits which can be more than a quarter of the total comp package. Furthermore, contractors are often assumed to be being paid on an as-needed basis with less downtime like training that are factors with full-time employees. When I had clients, a had a pretty high effective daily rate. But that didn't really translate into outsized take-home pay because so much "free" work went into being able to charge that sometime high daily rate.
- j7ake 7y agoI always support disclosing salary information but I found it silly that the original tweet was prefaced with some greater goal of helping minorities or disadvantaged people. The subtext was clearly a flex to show how good developer salaries are in the USA, and by disguising it as doing some social good the tweet came off as distasteful. A person in Nigeria is not being helped by the person in US disclosing their salary information.
- senordevnyc 7y agoWhen people in the US talk about disadvantaged minorities, they generally mean minorities in the US. And a bunch of white American male software engineers disclosing their salaries can definitely help black and female software engineers.
- j7ake 7y agoAre black and female software engineers in USA right now the demographic that really needs helping? Im not American, so I probably need clarification, but what is their current situation compared to white males in the same position at a company?
- senordevnyc 7y agoMany people certainly seem to think so. I’d be a little surprised myself if the answer was no. Anecdotally speaking, they certainly seem underrepresented, but I’m less sure about current pay disparity.
- j7ake 7y agoThanks for the info, I guess I should read more into it and educate myself.
- scarface74 7y agoI really hate meta discussions, but that being said, I’m going to do it anyway. It’s rare on a discussion forum that a thread goes from - righteous indignation - clarifying non insulting reply - reply with a genuine question - reply with a genuine answer. - the original poster admits that they should learn more. I had to commend both of you.
- marsrover 7y agoSurprised how many people in SF make less than me (Atlanta) and have more experience. I thought it was basically unlivable there unless you’re pulling in big money.
- seattle_spring 7y agoUnlivable claims are greatly exaggerated. You'll be with roommates or a very small apartment on less than $100k income, but otherwise you'll get along just fine. Usually it's people expecting a Midwest lifestyle of 3 kids, a huge yard, and 6 bedrooms.
- throwaway0215 7y agoI would say this list must very unreliable, I have seen one guy whom I can confirm exaggerated his salary because he likes a lot of attention and speaks at events, and another one who stated their monthly salary instead of annual, both from Nairobi.
- awinder 7y agoI’d be really curious to peer into the financial literacy across the wide range of salaries in here. I have no idea where my experience falls, but I feel like I goofed up for the first several years of my career and slowly built up better habits and understanding. “Luckily” I wasn’t making 6 figures 3 years in so the bad habits were only so relatively bad ;-).
- elric 7y agoMaybe I'm missing something, but I don't see much value to this "spreadsheet"? The data is unstructured, a cursory glance shows some very questionable outliers, and the number of emojis doesn't really inspire confidence. What is the purpose of this list? Bragging rights? In which case, fine. But if it's anything else, the approach will need to be drastically refined. Collecting salary information on Twitter doesn't seem like a terribly reliable starting point. And it's impossible to compare, for instance, a US salary with a UK salary without a hell of a lot of context. 100K != 100K, even after currency conversion.
- ksahin 7y agoIs there a code example to extract tweets from a hashtag like this one?
- francis-io 7y agoIn the UK we have ITJobsWatch[0] that seems to aggregate all the public job listings and organises by key word. It should give an idea of what the average person in that job is earning in each area, along with other correlated skills you might want to make sure you have. [0] https://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/ https://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/
- master_yoda_1 7y agoLook like people with higher pay don’t tweet about their salary ;)
- cactus2093 7y agoI was thinking the same thing. If the original intent was to help underrepresented folks, now maybe they’ll benchmark themselves against only this naive group willing to self report on twitter and continue to be paid less than the real average.
- snicky 7y agoAfter looking at these numbers I realized Western Europe pays a bit better than I expected and US outside SV a bit worse :) The difference still seems to be there, but one part of that is USD/EUR being pretty high currently.
- app4soft 7y agoWhy this spreadsheet is not available for non-logged users? I just tried to download it, but it still require me to sign up.[0,1] [0] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/27000699/google-spreadsheet-direct-download-link-for-only-one-sheet-as-excel https://stackoverflow.com/questions/27000699/google-spreadsh... [1] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-xIgk7Mw1S5DXTZSbKBgxlsQAn7XGIu7Mfy72lSVHKk/export?format=xlsx&gid=129993618 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-xIgk7Mw1S5DXTZSbKBg...
- redmattred 7y agoAlso check out http://www.tellmewhatimworth.com http://www.tellmewhatimworth.com It’s a service where you get salary estimates from companies actually trying to hire for your skill set right now
- griko 7y agoHere's the repo for obtaining the tweets, if anyone's interested: https://github.com/mathdroid/twitter-dev-salaries-scraper https://github.com/mathdroid/twitter-dev-salaries-scraper
- LHopital 7y agoWrong way of showing the data. Column order of the data should be Name Company Salary City ..... and so on. Irrelevant details should be towards right end so that people don't have to scroll to see the relevant data.
- jonnycomputer 7y agoThis doesn't seem particularly useful, as the data set is small, and biased toward those who are willing to report their salaries on twitter. Aside from the possibility that at least some of these reports misreport the actual salary, and likely over-state, it also seems likely that those who report salaries on twitter make above average relative to their peers.
- halbritt 7y agoIn my experience https://www.levels.fyi https://www.levels.fyi provides much better information than random tweets. Not everyone works for a FAANG, but it's useful to know what their influence is in the market.
- bootlooped 7y agoI wish there were just a little better filtering/sorting on their data. I want to know what people with my years of experience, in my metro area, in my specialization are making. You can kind of get some of that info, in certain forms. If their data (the data that is already publicly viewable on their website) were in a relational database I could write a query in about 60 seconds to pluck out what I want to know.
- SpicyLemonZest 7y agoThat level of breakdown would probably make deanonymization too easy.
- sangnoir 7y agoThey could set a minimum number of people in the results to be > $THRESHOLD or you'd get "not enough data". I believe Facebook ended up doing something similar after a college student targeted his room mate with a number of overly-specific FB ads, wrote about it, and the story went viral (before 2016 elections)
- bootlooped 7y agohttps://www.levels.fyi/comp.html https://www.levels.fyi/comp.html You can already view individual data points. So to expand on the shortcomings: I can filter by metro area and years of experience. But the result is just the table of data points. The only sortable column is total compensation. There is no aggregate data. What I really want to see is the histogram chart from the link below, but with the filtering results applied to it. It seems like the only thing you can do with the histogram they give you is select metro location. https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/San-Francisco-Bay-Area/ https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/San-Franci...
- motohagiography 7y agoContrarian view: salary disclosure destroys value for people with negotiating skills, which are among the most valuable and useful skills of all. Disclosure advantages people who collude to apply political pressure (gang up) instead of appealing to principles or leveraging their skill and the value they bring. There is general social and economic harm to facilitating this behaviour. Disclosure lowers all boats in that it causes mean-reversion in the sample, and reduces opportunity and incentive for people to apply themselves and succeed, and prevents valuable and exceptional people from joining the company because their salary expectations are not "to scale." Disclosure absolves managers of the need to negotiate effectively, which means you get managers who can't negotiate, which is the worst possible outcome for a company, since what is their job again? It's great to have data for negotiating. I use a bunch of different data sources and options, and I also avoid organizations who say they "don't negotiate," because it means they literally just bully people. Have at it.
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- throwlaplace 7y ago>Disclosure advantages people who collude to apply political pressure (gang up) instead of appealing to principles or leveraging their skill and the value they bring wut. how exactly do you imagine people that don't have union contracts go about doing this? >Contrarian view: salary disclosure destroys value for people with negotiating skills and conversely how are you at an advantage in negotiations when you have no price discovery? e.g. i bought this tuna sandwich for $10 and i feel great about it because i have no way of knowing that the sandwich shop next door has the exact same tuna sandwich for $5. >Disclosure lowers all boats in that it causes mean-reversion in the sample, and reduces opportunity and incentive for people to apply themselves and succeed what a hot take - "more transparency from the executive class actually hurts the labor class". brilliant.
- jcelerier 7y ago> salary disclosure destroys value for people with negotiating skills, which are among the most valuable and useful skills of all. The world would be a very very shitty place if we had to negotiate for everything on an individual basis. It's much more efficient to find the few people who actually have that skill and let them do it for the group (and we can spend more time actually trying to fucking improve the human species well-being instead of bickering on $$s). > Disclosure absolves managers of the need to negotiate effectively, which means you get managers who can't negotiate, which is the worst possible outcome for a company, since what is their job again? uh.. ensuring that their team is productive by handling their well-being issues ?
- cactus2093 7y agoThis makes me stop to reflect on the question of how much money does one really need? Surely at least enough to cover your basic needs like food and shelter. To be housing secure it seems reasonable to want to buy rather than just rent. It’s wild that this is one of the hottest, highest paying industries, and most of the people in this thread working in SF couldn’t afford to do so (by some napkin calculations it takes $333k a year in SF to afford to buy a house [1]). I don’t think most people fully appreciate how extreme of a change this new reality is. I think most would agree with my initial premise, that you should be able to be housing secure from your job. But they’d also say that $300k+ is an absurd amount of salary, surely you must just be very greedy if you think you need that much. And oh btw all market rate housing is evil, we should only build subsidized affordable housing. So even though sf salaries are the highest in this list, almost all of these people still have a reasonable argument that they need to be paid more to meet their basic needs given the current situation. [1] https://sf.curbed.com/2018/5/16/17361746/salary-needed-buy-home-house-san-francisco-2018-california https://sf.curbed.com/2018/5/16/17361746/salary-needed-buy-h...?
- kube-system 7y agoSituations like this make me wonder how much money there is to be made by going remote.
- k__ 7y agoI live in Germany and work for US companies, which is quite lucrative. I only work a few months a year.
- paul7986 7y agoReading the tweets and those who have many years of experience (live in the US) and are not making what they should says they do not know how to get their best deal. Like any software dev who wants to maximize their salary should never stay at one job for more then a year or two. Job jumping and using recruiters to do so is a great way to give yourself a big boost with each new job you jump to. Staying put in one job for more then a year or two makes no sense in present time if your goal is to maximize your salary. Im sure if there was a study it would show those who job jump are making a ton more then those who are loyal to a company.
- orangecat 7y agoLike any software dev who wants to maximize their salary should never stay at one job for more then a year or two. Job jumping and using recruiters to do so is a great way to give yourself a big boost with each new job you jump to. This is not true at FAANGs, where a large part of your compensation comes from multiple RSU grants vesting concurrently. Even if you never get a promotion or significant raise, your total compensation after 4 years will be much higher than when you started.
- paul7986 7y agoah true and pardon my comment is geared towards working outside of the huge tech companies. Those working at those companies are most likely smart enough to know their worth and get their best deal.
- perfobotto 7y agoI doubt most of the big earners will disclose their salary. It seems to be going in a way where mostly people that are in a less than optimal situation are gonna disclose their salary, so the whole thing is underestimating the situation
- sktrdie 7y agoI think also lots of people that are underpaid are scared to disclose. Fearing a "you only make this much?" reaction.
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- flingo 7y agoWhen are peeps going to stop dumping these data collections on google services? So many datasets I'm interested in looking at, but they all require me to send data to google to look at.
- SavageHenry 7y agoI'm a mid-career software engineering manager in the Aerospace sector. Looking at the salaries on levels.fyi for companies like Uber (280k), I'm literally making less than half of that. Further, the most senior engineering managers I know never achieved anything near that level (probably closer to 175k). Are there engineering positions in the aerospace sector that pay FAANG salaries?
- kaskavalci 7y agoWhy download is disabled for the spreadsheet?
- ocodo 7y agoThis would be even more useful if it had after tax take home amount.