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Google One
- 0xsnowcrash 7y agoAnother typically badly explained Google product. You arrive at one.google.com and all it says is something about your storage. Is that what it's all about? Here's what it says in the Google Description (you have to Google what one.google.com is to find out what it does - hilarious!). "Get expanded cloud storage, access to help from Google experts, and more benefits — in one simple plan that you can share with your family." So, from this it's storage + experts + some mysterious other benefits - and it's about sharing it with your family. Why don't they at least say that on their front page?! The reason, cos Google don't employ any decent usability experts.
- pbhjpbhj 7y ago>The reason, cos Google don't employ any decent usability experts. // They must, surely? It seems more likely to be the "one-button mouse effect" where leadership dictates something like "minimal interface" to be king and refuses to believe anyone could possible not understand their product?
- maest 7y agoFrom what I can tell it's: * extra storage (google drive + google photos + gmail). * phone photos and contacts backed up (there's a Google One app) * "access to experts" * discount on google purchases in "Google Store" - so for Pixels and DayDreams? Does Stadia count? * discount when booking hotels through google. Super weird mix of features. The meat of the offering seems to be more storage.
- sundayedition 7y agoI didn't get a discount on my stadia preorder, purchased in July. Of course, it hasn't shipped yet either and the originals release/delivery date was supposed to be the 19th iirc.
- pps 7y agoMaybe that's problem with your local version, in Polish I see everything described, page is quite long. There's also FAQ.
- neogodless 7y agoWhen I go to https://one.google.com/about https://one.google.com/about (the default page) I see the tagline > Expanded storage, access to experts, and more – all in one shareable plan I see that they offer some discounts in Google stores and for hotels. I see that you can share the storage (and cost) with your family. So overall 100GB for $20/year. Not completely awful, though I know plenty of people that use more storage for that just for photos. Still, I'm thinking whatever you found on web search added little or no information to what's on the page that's linked.
- tbrock 7y agoLove that the front page shows me how much storage some hypothetical user needs yet I’m logged into google (can see my icon at top) and it doesn’t show how much storage I need. Complete design fail.
- tw04 7y agoLet me guess: doesn't work with google apps accounts, because google really wants people to stop using them but isn't dumb enough to straight pull the plug quite yet.
- mkozlows 7y agoI mean, it doesn't, but this time it actually makes sense: If you want more storage as part of a GSuite account, you just buy it. There's no reason to buy a consumer-focused package for a business offering that has the same thing already available as part of its billing.
- ValentineC 7y ago> google really wants people to stop using them but isn't dumb enough to straight pull the plug quite yet. I have my Google life spread out across a couple of (grandfathered) Google Apps account, and don't use any @gmail.com accounts for Google services, so it would suck if they pulled the plug.
- giarc 7y agoGoogle One has been available for a while. I'm not sure why this link was submitted, and how it made it to the front page of HN?
- semiotagonal 7y agoI saw the headline, and my first reaction was "Google What?" I'd never heard of this thing. Maybe it was news to the submitter as well.
- WalterSobchak 7y agoAgreed. Here is the previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18678929 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18678929
- bob1029 7y agoStatistically speaking, if this post was made 6-12 months in the future, the discussion here would likely be lamentations regarding yet another product Google decided to kill. Consider this your warning.
- torgoguys 7y agoThe price jump from 2TB to 10TB is weird. 5x storage for 10x price. The other storage/price increments give you a "quantity discount" (e.g., twice as much storage for a 50 percent price increase) but that one is the opposite. Any guesses as to why they chose to do that?
- lis 7y agoIf you need more than 2TB it's quite likely that you are using the product in a professional context. Thus, they are able to charge more. The smaller tiers are cheap to be attractive to end consumers.
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- panarky 7y agoBecause the 2TB is discounted 50% for Google One members.
- joeblau 7y agoDoes this get rid of ads? I would pay for this if all of the Ads in Search, Gmail, YouTube, and every other Google product they pushed went away.
- SlowRobotAhead 7y agoNot being snarky at all - how would component be different from current my Firefox + uBlock experience?
- icebraining 7y agoSome people find it unethical to do that, whereas paying to block ads is ok because it's an agreement with the provider. As for practical reasons, one may want to watch YouTube outside of browsers, where using uBlock is impossible.
- goldcd 7y agoYep - if you block youtube ads in the browser, google doesn't pay out to the maker. Sure, it's only tiny fractions of cents - but I consider it stealing.
- SlowRobotAhead 7y agoI’m doing to take the downvotes on this... That’s not stealing. I didn’t agree to watch ads or see to it that you were paid for putting up a video that you put up for fun or art or habit or hope. I don’t think you should be entitled to be paid for content you voluntarily put up on someone else’s computer. You didn’t agree to contract that asked you to produce content. If all art was thought of like this - there would be no art. Guess what, sometimes you’ll make something and won’t be paid back for doing that. You do it anyway because you want to improve your art, you want to get better, or express something else even if no one receives it, you do it “to put in the work, son.” If you want to post YouTube videos, do it! That’s cool and maybe I’ll enjoy them, but I’m not stealing by not engaging in the system of their choice to make money that you hope they share a tiny fraction of with you. Sorry, but no. I choose not to participate. If you think that’s stealing; well, I’m glad that you’ve never had anything actually taken from you to allow for such a misuse of the word.
- aluminussoma 7y agoI've heard, but can't confirm, that photos and videos stored on Google are used to train ML models at Google. So I'm surprised that Google would want to charge at all for this service if it's important. Were any other company able to get you to store your photos and videos, I wonder if that could dent Google's ML capabilities a bit.
- bastawhiz 7y agoThat sounds like a conspiracy theory. Training how? It's not like people are uploading tagged photos. And what value is that over Google Images (or other services)?
- Chris_Chambers 7y agoYou’re a moron.
- arghwhat 7y agoTo use people's random images for training, they would have to be manually annotated by a human (e.g. facial boxes, eyes, nose, mouth, ears drawn in). There are also diminishing returns from additional data if it does not bring vastly new scenarios to train against. Access to raw data alone is rarely a problem, so I would personally doubt that Google would have much value in Google Photos for training.
- _wp_ 7y ago> To use people's random images for training, they would have to be manually annotated by a human (e.g. facial boxes, eyes, nose, mouth, ears drawn in). That's not true. There is a large and growing body of research on semi-supervised, self-supervised, and unsupervised learning that can take advantage of these unlabelled images.
- arghwhat 7y agoDifferent learning techniques have different applications. I do not believe those techniques are applicable to the hypothetical use-cases of this dataset. Perhaps semi-supervised could be utilized, which reduces the required annotation by some factor k, but still leaves it as a function of the dataset. Self-supervised basically replaces human annotation with machine annotation, making it only applicable to a small subset of tasks in which this is possible (e.g. you could train "guess time from picture" using EXIF timestamp). Unsupervised is only applicable to very specific tasks.
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- gravypod 7y agoAs someone who pays for multiple Google services this is not something I'm interested in at all. I would be very interested in something that gave me the paid features in all of their services: YouTube red (no ads + custom content no one likes), Google storage (one), Google Plus Music (or whatever they're replacing it with) for "infinite" music, YouTube TV, Stadia, and my Fi account. If Google integrated these billing systems and made a cohesive feature set that was constantly expanding it would be a no brained to spend like +$50/month on this bundle (phone + backups + entertainment). I'm assuming they don't do this because of fragmentation across product teams or anti monopoly stuff.
- dmitriid 7y agoIt’s also because Google Accounts is such a complicated mess by now that no one inside Google knows how it works: https://grumpy.website/post/0PU1U2r3v https://grumpy.website/post/0PU1U2r3v
- crazygringo 7y agoThat's all just UX complaints. Behind the scenes, a Google account is a single unified Google account, as far as I know. (In other words, individual products can be confusing, but I don't think the backend inherently prevents unified billing.)
- neogodless 7y agoTell that to someone using G Suites! I don't know the real internal structure, but I've experienced a frustrating number of "unsupported features" or "unexpected errors."
- dmitriid 7y agoThose UX complaints wouldn't exist if Google Accounts were as internally unified as you make them out to be. With a unified set of internal tools and APIs for teams to work with and make sure their product works. Meanwhile, it took YouTube more than ten years to be able to support not just the default user. BigQuery is 9 years this year, and can't support multiple users in the browser etc. etc. It gets worse than that. Because they are still kinda unified. You get blocked for whatever reason on YouTube? Oh. Say goodbye to the rest of Google properties: play store, your dev account etc.
- okintheory 7y agoFrom looking at Google's privacy policy for this product, it seems to me that if I have a file called all-my-deepest-secrets-fears-and-desires.txt stored in Google's cloud, then nothing stops Google from sharing what they learn from this file as long as it is "non-personally identifiable information". That sounds like they can do whatever they want, as long as they don't attach my actual name to it.
- mojuba 7y agoThe irony of "non-personally identifiable information" is that there is no such thing. Just show me your regular everyday travel destinations, i.e. mostly home -> work -> home and I will identify you. Not to mention card purchases (Google bank accounts to the rescue!) that contain more information than you know about yourself. Or if you are a software engineer, show me enough of your source code with file names etc. (including your commercial work) and I might be able to match you against the full LinkedIn database for example, although I probbaly won't be able to automate this one. Etc. etc. Nothing is ever completely anonymous unless you get to the level of elementary physical particles which as we know don't have an identity :)
- okintheory 7y agoCompletely agree. It's a smoke screen, but probably one that holds up in court - for now.
- thih9 7y agoLaunched August 15, 2018; 14 months ago. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_One https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_One Shouldn’t we add „[2018]” to the title?
- WalterSobchak 7y agoGood idea. I would like to see this added as well.
- tpetry 7y agoSo it‘s a possibility to really get support from Google? Or is it the same support like any non-paying user?
- rad_gruchalski 7y agoDoes this give me a human support? Otherwise it's a bit meh.
- bachmeier 7y agoWhat happens if one of Google's bots decides to delete your account? Is that it for your family's picture collection?
- linsomniac 7y agoThat's something I also worry a bit about. They do have Google Takeout, and I recently used that to download the 120GB-ish worth of stuff I've got in there, and it worked very well. I guess I should set up a job to back that up to B2?
- alfiedotwtf 7y agoEvery time I see a new product from Google, I think of Reader. Edit: let's be honest with ourselves... you do too
- flaxton 7y agoAbout a month ago, a hacker guessed a weak password on one of my seldom-used Google accounts. They changed the password and the recovery email. I attempted to get the account back, including telling them the old password, old recovery email, and the month and year I opened the account (like 10 years ago) but no, they said they “couldn’t” do it. So I’m sunk. No recourse, no one to appeal to. So why would I put my whole life into Google? When it can be taken away so quickly, and there is no appeal process? On my main Google account I do have a recovery email (that I host) and 2FA. But I do not feel secure that the same thing couldn’t happen there too. If it does, you are sunk. I’m actually in the process of moving everything off of Google. No thanks!
- graeme 7y agoCompanies really need some sort of rollback to prior recovery email option. I had this happen with an old skype account I hadn’t put 2fa on. I was able to get back into the account, but since the attacker had added their email, any changes had to be confirmed via that new email address! I re-entered a few times but eventually just gave it up to them. Microsoft was no help.
- vezycash 7y agoOutlook now has a wait period of 30 days before some certain security changes can be made - e.g. account recovery options. I've never used it though. https://support.microsoft.com/en-my/help/4057241/microsoft-account-why-does-resetting-security-info-take-30-days https://support.microsoft.com/en-my/help/4057241/microsoft-a...
- graeme 7y agoThat's exactly what caught me I think! Because the user changed the email, I couldn't change it back for 30 days. I may have been an edge case: I had no email on the skype account, only a recovery email. Eg: Account email: null Recovery email: myemail@example.com The hacker changed it to: Account email: hacker@example.com Recovery email: null My account was old enough they hadn't required an account email on creation. My ownership of the old recovery email was not persuasive to microsoft. I was even telling them about it while the hack was happening. They let the hacker take over fully, send spam, and shut down the account for spam. Basically I couldn't change the account email for 30 days, and the hacker had been able to remove the recovery email.
- calimac 7y agoGoogle is a shitty company. like Facebook, google is disconnected from it’s users. It should stick to selling ads
- guiseroom 7y agoA couple of months ago I stumbled across Google One; I thought it was a replacement for Google Drive. I got a popup chat and talked with a Google Rep, asking for clarity. The fact that it wasn't easily understandable from the site wasn't a good sign. Once I learned it was just the latest new way to upgrade Google storage, something I did not need, I ended the chat and went about my business. A few days later I received an email from the Google Play store confirming my purchase of additonal storage through Google One, something I had not requested or purchased, although somehow just being on the One site triggered that purchase. I was really taken aback because I didn't even realize Google had my purchase information. I've never purchased anything from/through Google. I had to go back to the One site, open a chat and then spend the better part of an hour trying to get the charge reversed, which is something they don't usually do. So basically what I'm trying to say is this: Do not click through to the Google One site. edit: I should also add that I originally had 17 GB of Google Drive storage (15 GB all users get plus an extra 2 GB for doing some Google survey or something some years ago) but after the Google One storage grift was reversed, my storage went back down to 15 GB. I guess there was a 2 GB penalty.
- kstenerud 7y agoUgh. No. These past two decades have been about freeing us from vendor lock-in. The last thing I'd want is to go back to that!
- goldcd 7y agoI upgraded a few months back, as I'd exceeded by drive limit and the upgrade to 2Tb storage dumped me into this new "Google One" thing. I'm actually pretty happy with it, as I just entered into it as the next storage tier. First up, it gave me a "click here for a free google home", and you get a 10% credit back if you buy hardware from them. Not deal-makers, but nice bonus when I just came for the storage. What I did find useful is that you can now share your storage with other people. I can just add my aged family members and relax a bit knowing they have actually got some running backup in place. I would like it if it was combined with Youtube Premium/Red which I also pay for, even though I use Spotify over Google music.
- Havoc 7y agoDoesn't support own domain as best as I can tell, which makes it a non-starter for me. Think I might just move to protonmail instead of gsuite
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- linsomniac 7y agoI've used the "One" "Family Plan" for a couple years, whatever it was before One. It's nice, but I do worry about the non-linear pricing. For 200GB at $3/mo, that's fine. Then for 2TB it drops per GB to $10/mo. The next jump is 10TB for $100/mo (double the per/GB). But my storage consumption doesn't jump like that, I won't go from 2TB to 10TB (probably). Which makes 3TB feel like $33/GB/mo... S3 is linear and drops. B2 is linear. Google Fi refunds me for actual usage below what I've paid for. Why is storage so weird?