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Prescription drugs? Because I need some and it takes months and time off work and repeated Dr and specialist and procedure trips just to get an antibiotic calle
by pizzaparty2 7y ago
Prescription drugs? Because I need some and it takes months and time off work and repeated Dr and specialist and procedure trips just to get an antibiotic called Rifaximin that can cure certain types of IBS. Last time it took six months, a thousand dollars, four or five days off work, and a colonoscopy before I could get a prescription. But they don't prescribe enough to actually cure it. Is there a black market for this? I'm asking for a friend.
- anaisbetts 7y agoNot a black market, but here you go - https://www.inhousepharmacy.vu/p-1614-rifakem-400.aspx https://www.inhousepharmacy.vu/p-1614-rifakem-400.aspx
- therealx 7y agoFirst rule of inhousepharmacy...
- anaisbetts 7y agoMeh, I have no way to DM this person
- sosuke 7y agoThere is a black market for prescription drugs like everything else. Grey market really since it is a legal drug. I've used the grey market with success but ymmv.
- lostgame 7y agoAnd just like the black market for cocaine, what you get in that pill or powder could literally be anything, and there’s no guarantee of consistency between orders. I believe this is more of the overall point being made in a lot of the comments here - that obviously decriminalization would allow for quality control.
- QuesnayJr 7y agoWhat's interesting about the article is that they claim that the Dream Market was able to enforce a level of consistency, because buyers could rate sellers. An independent lab tested some of the merchandise, and what you were really buying was usually what you thought you were buying.
- MivLives 7y agoJust like Amazon the on site ratings were normally pretty useless. Outside info sources like forums and Reddit normally had better results but were still full of constant FUD.
- Scoundreller 7y agoAt least the average TOR users doesn't leave reviews like: "The mailman left my package in the rain, one star". Usually a bad review is very well-deserved.
- anaisbetts 7y agoPressed pills in a sealed blister pack coming from a large pharma company in India is hardly "just like" the black market. All these companies are doing is taking advantage of geographic arbitrage and loopholes in different countries' laws to move stuff around. They're not making this stuff from scratch.
- autoexec 7y agoI love how often we hear companies are expected to hire slave labor in developing countries and we should all accept this race to the bottom will impact our own wages and benefits all because of the fact that we live in a global market, but the minute you want to buy drugs from other countries or even just play a DVD made for sale in another country it's illegal and immoral.
- justincormack 7y ago
- nyolfen 7y agoif it isn't schedule i, you can usually get it online from india relatively easily
- therealx 7y agoor schedule 2
- nyolfen 7y agoyou're right, i mixed up how the scheduling system works -- schedule 2 is significantly more legally risky and difficult to procure in grey markets, schedule 3 (basically anything that isn't a prescription version of a narcotic) is typically easily available.
- therealx 7y agoLate reply, but theres also schedule 2(non narcotic)
- roberte3 7y agoAlibaba... A few years back, I was prescribed a anti cancer, prescription drug that costs $4k per box. (5mg per day, 28day day supply). I went on Ali, and ordered 5lbs of the drug for $100 usd including shipping.
- ihattendorf 7y agoHonest question, how do you know you're actually getting the correct drug and that it isn't contaminated or cut with something else?
- swiley 7y agoYou could send it to a chemist and ask them to do an NMR and have a pretty good idea (provided it’s just one molecule)
- rootsudo 7y agoYou can test it yourself, but many times the same manufacturer in the USA is the same abroad. I would say India for Drugs is not a bad idea - if you're worried it's "from" China.
- AnimalMuppet 7y agoI have not the remotest idea how I would test a cancer drug for myself to see if it was pure. I suppose I could hire a chemical laboratory, if I could figure out what kind of one would do that kind of work...
- Scoundreller 7y ago> if I could figure out what kind of one would do that kind of work Open up the phone book. I'm sure you can find one within a day. Chemists like money. Especially when it's not even a controlled drug.
- npo9 7y ago> I have not the remotest idea how I would test a cancer drug for myself As someone with only a high school level of chemistry training I would check the melting temperature. Although seriously get it professionally tested. The delta between USA prices and India/China prices is so high a lab test will barely change the margins.
- wolco 7y agoHad the same problem getting the same antibiotic. Going locally resulted in unnecessary tests as you describe without luck. With me it started with a positive hydrogen breathe test at a naturalpath. Based on those results I went the telemedicine route and said my np recommended an antibiotic. I got lucky and got it filled twice but had to repeatly try but the provider I used didn't charge unless you accepted the prescription. At the end I still needed more but gave up. Going starch free helped more.
- pizzaparty2 7y agoDid you notice a difference at all? Do you think you'll ever be "cured"?
- wolco 7y agoI did notice a difference but the bacteria comes back if something is affecting mobility. After the second time. I did three things that really helped. - Ate chicken/carrot for lunch. Fish/seafood/bacon/pork/beef roast with one or all of squash, zucchini, spinage. In between I made a loaf of banana bread with honey and most importantly carob and ate one a day. That digested earlier and didn't feed the overgrowth lower allowing me to put weight back on. The carob forced mototity - I did pure cbd in very small amounts for 2 weeks. That seemed to help close intestinal valves. - I stopped all starches. Potatoes, sweet potatoes, peas.. I'm 4 months off of the second round and feeling and looking much better.
- pizzaparty2 7y agoYeah, it sounds like we are going through a similar form of hell. How long have you been dealing with this?
- cf498 7y agoSeeing as you are at the point that you are looking for black market antibiotics, have you tried Kratom? Did it help? If you havent heard of it before, I should however warn you about the addiction potential.
- ThrustVectoring 7y agoFor antibiotics specifically, many manufacturers will sell them "for fish use". This will have an identical manufacturing process, but won't follow the guidelines for packaging, storing, and shipping antibiotics. So a bit more risk, but no prescription needed and significantly cheaper. Alternatively, Indian mail-order pharmacies will successfully ship most things to the US in a plain brown envelope. It's technically illegal, but there's approximately zero enforcement action against it, the most they'll do is seize the shipment. Painkillers, opioids, amphetamines, and other pharmaceuticals with abuse risk are probably not going to be available this way (or advisable), but everything without a significant abuse risk has pretty much zero arrests.
- adultSwim 7y agoKatherine Bean's Bottle of Lies documents how the same companies will produce drugs to lower safety standards when producing for countries with lower safety regulations.
- harry8 7y ago"for fish use" - everything in me is screaming "NO!" Antibiotic resistance is going to be so horrendous. Watching children die. Sooner, because "For fish use". I feel sick.
- 55555 7y agoYes you can order on the clearnet from Indian pharmacies. I've ordered rifaximin this way. It's expensive, about 130$ for a 14 day supply. For my SIBO it, like all antibiotics, causes total symptom relief while I am on it and then the symptoms come right back once I go off. Good luck.
- aszantu 7y agoCheck meatheals.com for ibs and gutsense.org for an explanation
- tejinderss 7y agoGet it from India. You can buy any antibiotics without prescription in India. And get it posted anywhere.
- hycaria 7y agoHonestly diet is the cure, not an antibiotic (screwing your flora is no long term strategy). They are just doing their job the right way.
- ryanmercer 7y agoFirst, have you looked into medical tourism? That might be a solution to just take a week off and go to a medical tourism friendly country. Looks like it's 2$ a day in Colombia (based on the wiki entry) vs 62$ a day in the United States so if you're insurance isn't cover a good chunk of it, that savings should soften the travel cost some. >Is there a black market for this? Sorta? A lot of prepper types will keep various fish antibiotics, which you can buy freely and legally online (in the United States anyway) that just happen to conveniently come in gel caps in human dosages. Personally I always keep a bottle of amoxicillin, penicillin and cephalexin on hand and replace them every 18 months or so (I've never taken any of them, but I take comfort knowing they are sitting in a drawer if there's ever some crazy scenario where I need one of them and pharmacies are dry). I've never seen rifaximin though (probably because it is new and fantastically expensive). Examples: - Fish Mox & Mox Forte (Amoxicillin) - Fish Flex & Flex Forte (Cephalexin/Keflex) - Fish Zole & Zole Forte (Metronidazole) - Fish Flox & Flox Forte (Ciprofloxacin) - Fish Pen & Pen Forte (Penicillin) - Fish Cin (Clindamycin) - Fish Sulfa Forte (Sulfameth/Trimethoprim) - Fish Fungus (Ketoconazole) - Fish Mycin (Erythromycin) - Fish Doxy (Doxycycline) - Fish Flucon (Fluconazole) - Fish Min (Minocycline) - Bird Biotic (Doxycycline) - Bird Sulfa (Sulfamethoxazole/Trimethoprim) - Bird Azithro (Azithromycin)