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Facebook Horizon
- ronsor 7y agoLooks cool, but I distrust Facebook too much for this
- skykooler 7y agoSame...have been waiting for someone to develop this for years after reading Snowcrash but am disappointed that it's Facebook who did it.
- buboard 7y agoSansar , High fidelity , vrchat ... they all struggle to get traction (and mostly fail) - why does facebook think they can do better
- martinpw 7y agoI guess one reason might be that they have a pre-existing social network to draw from, so much easier to coordinate social VR with friends. Not saying that is sufficient, but it definitely helps compared with a startup that has to rely more on having strangers interact or, if meeting with friends, is likely to be higher friction that FB can offer.
- buboard 7y agosansar has second life, probably the biggest congregation of virtual world users
- meheleventyone 7y agoOne thing that sprang to mind is that they own the hardware too and can integrate Horizons tightly with the OS.
- buboard 7y agothe question is more whether they can sell oculus to facebook users rather than facebook to oculus users.
- Skunkleton 7y agoHave the headsets gotten good enough to read text?
- newshorts 7y agoTried my co worker’s quest the other day, it’s not great. Screen door effect and all. I’m waiting for 4K per eye, then I’ll be into it
- cybwraith 7y agoThe oculus ones... minimally. Other companies though, yes. The HP Reverb is especially good for things like flight sims
- ggreer 7y agoText looks rather pixelated. I couldn't see someone reading a book in VR, but that's not the selling point. VR's advantage is Presence.[1] Current headsets are good enough that you can feel like you are in another world. I've had friends dive onto the ground or flinch because they thought they were going to be shot while playing Superhot VR. It's a visceral sensation that videos of VR can't convey. I think there's definitely something to VR, but content is lacking right now. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immersion_(virtual_reality)#Presence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immersion_(virtual_reality)#Pr...
- Skunkleton 7y agoThanks! Tbh, I’m mostly interested in using it as a virtual productivity environment. I know it’s a ways off for that just due to resolution issues.
- cameronbrown 7y agoImo Vive Pro or Valve Index are Good Enough (TM) but YMMV. It really depends what you're doing with the thing, as I can read large text in Gen 1 Rift reasonably well and that's all I need.
- Skunkleton 7y ago
- hprotagonist 7y agoI strongly recommend not looking directly at large noisy pixel scrolls.
- whoevercares 7y agoready player one
- avainlakech 7y agoI gave Facebook the benefit of the doubt for a long time, but alas I have mostly removed anything Facebook from my life and I am happier because of it.
- shasheene 7y agoFacebook Horizon was announced at Oculus Connect Day 1 keynote yesterday. I highly recommend people checkout Michael Abrash's keynote discussing some jaw dropping "social teleportation" research: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCB_mfGmh9w&t=1h47m12s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCB_mfGmh9w&t=1h47m12s
- eps 7y agoVery cool, but inherently troubling that it's done on FB's money, with all the strings attached.
- m0zg 7y agoThey are building something that doesn't even need to exist. We can have fully remote work with today's tools that's _way_ better than the average office environment, certainly way more productive per hour spent. You don't need a roomful of GPUs to have it. All that's in the way is organizational inertia and managers who can't justify their own existence without butts in the chairs, herded into an "open" office like cattle. Source: I work remotely.
- skunkworker 7y agoI'm getting Oasis vibes from Ready Player One. Life imitating art?
- dgzl 7y agoI think it's inevitable. Just look at Second Life
- viraptor 7y agoMetaverse from snow crash.
- berberous 7y agoYeah Michael Abrash (and obviously tons of others) explicitly mention it as an inspiration for why they are working on this stuff: https://www.oculus.com/blog/introducing-michael-abrash-oculus-chief-scientist/ https://www.oculus.com/blog/introducing-michael-abrash-oculu...
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- esquire_900 7y agoAnd now Facebook is going to take the honerable role of Halliday right?
- beefield 7y agoWonder if I am only one thinking Halliday being one of the greatest arseholes casted as semigod in fiction? I mean, it is fine to be into 80's, but using your massive wealth to impose that obsession to everyone else does not score high points for me.
- esquire_900 7y agoDoes he impose it though, or just uses it as a filter to find the next game administrator? He doesn't enforces anybody to participate. Perhaps comparable to a requirement list for a job, though it's a bit of a specific requirement.
- sergiotapia 7y agoFacebook already owns your face from a 2D space perspective. Just go ahead and give them literally a high-fidelity 3D pointmap of your face. What could go wrong?
- TaylorAlexander 7y agoIf they have multiple angles of your face they can infer the 3D features.
- d--b 7y agoI am instantly thinking that they’ll be gathering every move people make in this world and use this for more ad targeting.
- helloworld 7y agoI wonder whether those legless avatars fall into the "uncanny valley": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley
- auslander 7y agoYeah, why no legs?
- trianglem 7y agoI'm going to guess they don't want genitalia or behinds making this a more adult experience.
- megaremote 7y agoBecause legs aren't tracked, they would be out of sync if you move, and it is easier just to leave them out.
- mclightning 7y agoIt definitely does. A better approach would be, gradient fade down towards torso. This feels wrong as a sudden cut below waist line.
- taurath 7y agoOn the Internet, you can be anything you want. Facebook thinks most people will want to be a generic floating body with a cartoon human head. They missed the point - self expression is what people want.
- aplummer 7y agoThis is actually a clone of a really popular app that’s already out, so seems to be what people want!
- nikkwong 7y agoThat app being?
- aplummer 7y agoSorry I should have said, it’s called Rec Room
- buraequete 7y agoDo you mean "VRChat" maybe? I feel like Horizon will be more like an "Internet" where you can access other games/experiences. Not bare-bones, chat-only like VRChat, but that's just my guess.
- Kiro 7y agoProbably means Rec Room or Altspaces. With that said, VRChat is certainly not just bare bones chat. There are rooms for everything with all kind of games. Think Roblox.
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- WilliamEdward 7y agoJust look at VR Chat, the ability to have custom avatars is why a lot of people liked it. This is facebook shoving its awkward style onto the user.
- keyle 7y agoI think this could do very well. I wonder how you communicate with each other? Does the quest has built in A/V com? I laughed at the legless avatars. So many memes in the making.
- Tepix 7y agoIt has a mic
- jdkee 7y agoThis makes me wonder what is going on with my Miis on the Nintendo Wii. It has only been about five years since I have seen them.
- stOneskull 7y agoYou might have grandchildren
- rshnotsecure 7y agoThe fact that FB can task developers to this, but not the breached servers (of a 3rd Party but who has access to highly confidential material) I’ve reported via their BB page that are online right this second is somewhat insulting to me. If this comment gets downvoted, be suspicious. It is going to be well written, but it is does contain accusations against Facebook. My real name is in my About Section so I have no fear of libel. I hate to play this card because I am sort of immunizing myself (or trying to) against downvotes, but you can look through my comments and it’s not something I’ve ever done before. 1. The 3rd Party who led to the breach at Doordash is also a Facebook contractor. A significant amount of Facebook data has been stolen because of this. 2. Dashlane, Deliveroo (UK), Netflix, Uber, AirBnB, Quora, EventBrite, BetterDoctor, and about 10 other firms that I know of are also clients of this contractor as their data was also leaking or obtainable through extremely simple exploits. 3. Yes I did file a Bug Bounty with evidence. FB has acted...sort of...but the evidence is still online, at this moment. 4. I have already begun conversations with ISC2 asking for a significant amount of CISSP cert holders at FB to have their certifications revoked for breach of ethics violations via the “good of society” clause and negligent blindness. I absolutely made sure to have a carve out saying they probably were just ignored by management, and in such case for the names I cited to ignore my claim (and I would write a written public apology if asked). 5. I get that everyone here is tired of FB negativity here. Me too. Just a little longer if you don’t mind.
- cromka 7y agoWoah. Things like this are why I don't have FB account anymore. Also why I shorted their stock. Fingers crossed for December.
- gaogao 7y agoIf this comment gets downvoted, it's probably because its kind of off-topic and a little hard to follow. Maybe write a blog post with some of the emails, I guess, instead of a long comment, and then submit that?
- Top19 7y agoI get your comment for sure, but it is not true when you say those on Hacker News would downvote a comment for being off-topic when it is for a somewhat concerning moral issue. Many of the members here are better than that or at least more able to see the larger issues at stake I think. Again though I still see your point and those claims, if situation was a little more mundane, are absolutely true.
- singron 7y agoAre the avatars legless just because the headsets don't do leg tracking?
- KuhlMensch 7y agoYeah its a clever design decision, which is hard to appreciate with the intensely bubbley (frothy?) lady talking way too loud for what seems to be 9am on a Sunday.
- buraequete 7y agoGive me OASIS, Zuckerberger-san!!
- mortenjorck 7y agoThere's something slightly unnerving about Horizon's avatars. While it's more or less understood that floating avatars are the best match for current modes of VR locomotion, thus the lack of legs, there's an important difference between something like Rec Room VR's floating avatars and Horizon's: The former's are far more abstract, and thus look more natural in their omissions. Rec Room's avatars consist of floating hands, a floating head, and a floating torso, all disconnected. It doesn't seem odd that they don't have legs, because their other features are more removed from the human form. Facebook's, on the other hand, are fully-formed cartoon characters from the waist up, more on the order of XBox Live avatars. This greater detail makes the lack of detail elsewhere look out of place, and even slightly disturbing given its imposition on a human figure.
- gibolt 7y agoIt would be cool if everyone was on a skateboard, little car, wheelchair, hoverboard, etc.
- viraptor 7y agoThat's one path to monetisation.
- knzhou 7y agoPeople can get used to anything. In college I got a glance at the totally normal cartoons my little sister was watching and I was horrified -- it looked like borderline body horror to me. But she thought that the cartoon characters of my childhood were equally creepy. (In retrospect she was right; Courage the Cowardly Dog was some really messed up shit.) In comparison, a floating cartoon torso is going to be nothing for an adolescent to assimilate.
- manojlds 7y agoReminds me of Metaverse from Snow Crash
- hprotagonist 7y ago
- mindgam3 7y agoAlso discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21074010 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21074010
- gordon_freeman 7y agoThis is right out of the premise of the book "Ready Player One" that has a similar virtual world called OASIS. Mark Zuckerberg is a huge fan of the book in general and It just seems Oculus is trying to create a similar world with Horizon launch.
- hw 7y agoIs it just me or is their intro video disturbing? A world where your significant other is next to you but deep in their own virtual world? Hasn't Facebook done enough to disconnect people from the real world? Given the lengths Facebook has gone through to keep users engaged and addicted to their platform, what's stopping them from doing the same with Horizon?
- seppin 7y agoMy first thought was, "what does this cost?" Not per month, what am I giving up if I participate? What personal data of mine will be collected, and for what purpose? Is this information even available? ps. yes that video was creepy FB is awful at marketing.
- stOneskull 7y agoThey'll probably get us controlling with our mind, then reading it
- fsiefken 7y agoi regularly sit next to my s.o. on the couch, both with a headset. no problem here, it's just like watching television but noe the whole room is transformed and friends can join in so ee can watch star trek together on the 'big screen' or play bridge crew
- markdog12 7y agoIt's disturbing to me that there are people who created, ok'd, and released this video, prob thinking, "hey, this is great!"
- beebmam 7y agoFrankly, we are already in our own virtual worlds, with our own thoughts and experiences. We all perceive reality differently and many of us can feel extremely alone even in the presence of those we love. I'm not sure this technology is going to emotionally isolate people even more than we already are.
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- tempsy 7y agoI haven’t played with VR sets too much, but I think one practical limitation is whether it gets physically tiring over a shorter amount of time vs traditional video games or doing something on your phone? I mean, do people actually spend hours with a VR set like they might playing Fortnite etc?
- heisnotanalien 7y agoGo to a real world park instead.
- countryqt30 7y agoUncanny valley has a new definition: Facebook Legless Avatars (FLA)(wed)
- roadbeats 7y agoI think this product targets children more than adults and wish all parents will manage to keep their kids away from these abusive profit engines.
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- foolfoolz 7y agohey kids, stop playing video games! even the ones that can strengthen social skills and relationships!
- zamalek 7y agoThey seem to be throwing services at the wall and seeing what sticks, lately. I really see nothing compelling here, unless it is something that has been done better by someone else. I wonder what union of "unrelated" services will yield Facebook exactly the same degree of tracking that they lost to recent regulations. I miss the company that built my DK2.
- Tepix 7y agoI don't think this is yet another experiment. This is their shot at dominating the VR social space. As VR more or less slowly grows, they want to be the big player in the social realm there. More data to be gathered than on a browser.
- Kiro 7y agoThe company everyone will remember was the company that built the Quest. It's the real stepping stone for VR.
- bigend 7y agoSuch dystopia, it gives me the shivers!
- anonytrary 7y agoHow is a company building a product that no one will use a dystopia?
- vermilingua 7y agoPerhaps that no one in your circles will use. To hundreds of millions of people around the world, Facebook is the internet. They are the target market.
- hobofan 7y agoDo the same hundreds of millions of people that still use Facebook have both the tech affinity and the spare bucks to shell out money for a Oculus headset?
- jacobush 7y agoSoon, it will become cheap.
- boomlinde 7y agoTo hundreds of millions of people around the world, a significant amount of leisure time and 449 euros is a pipe dream.
- guskel 7y agoLooks awfully boring and bland.
- frisco 7y agoI am so over goal-less MMOs with simplistic pastel graphics. We've done this so many times before. How is Horizon any different from Second Life? It's really unclear. Both are ugly. I am a huge fan of the idea of the Matrix, and I don't even think it needs to be gamified to be fun, but the graphics are such a big part of the appeal of VR for me. I would pay a lot of money just for a photorealistic VR house with a beautiful view out the windows and in-world access to my computer - a better place to hack than my usual Starbucks. Why can't we have something like the Unreal tech demos? It's clear that beautiful worlds are possible now: https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/20/18273832/epic-unreal-engine-demo-troll-rebirth-ray-tracing-gdc-2019 https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/20/18273832/epic-unreal-engi... If a VR world that looked like the first video in that article existed, it would be huge. But the intro video for Facebook Horizon? I am completely unsold.
- p1esk 7y agoWe don’t even have powerful enough hardware for that, let alone software. Give it another 10 years.
- frisco 7y agoI don't think this is actually true; being close to some deep learning research groups, it's really surprising how powerful GPUs have gotten. Improvements over the last few years have been very nonlinear; it's kind of astonishing. And, internet latency has also gotten very good. I bet it's totally possible to make something like this now, though most people don't realize it yet!
- MayeulC 7y agoWell, it certainly is technically possible. > it's really surprising how powerful GPUs have gotten. Improvements over the last few years have been very nonlinear These improvements did not come at fixed cost, though. Prices for top-of-the-line GPUs have been increasing (as well as die sizes, power consumption, and manufacturer margin). Together with Moore's law, that already brings nonlinear improvements, the available computation power has increased a lot. However, those GPUs are very expensive. Most people just can't afford them. And if few people can afford them, it's hard to justify paying a whole army of developers (like AAA game studios) to bring that kind of experiences.
- arcsincosin 7y agoDecentraland without user-generated content? Club Penguin Island all over again?
- anonytrary 7y agoThis is less technical, but I think branding this as "facebook X" was the wrong call, unless they're trying to market this to parents who don't wanna take care of their kids who aren't old enough for Fornite yet.
- Simon_says 7y agoIf everything Facebook does has different branding, it's easier for President Warren to make the case for breaking up Facebook. Hence everything is made to seem as interdependent as possible.
- hobofan 7y agoHas that ever stopped an antitrust case?
- luckydata 7y agoThis is unnecessary, total bullshit and will fail. Facebook seems incapable to learn anything about VR and I don't understand why.
- s9w 7y agoThey're a bit late to copy vrchat
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- madrox 7y agoFacebook purchasing Oculus felt like a weird move when it happened, and has gotten no less weird over time. It makes me sad, because if you showed this exact same product but called it, say, Disney Horizon or Nintendo Horizon you would feel so much more optimistic about where this could go. What are these two companies really getting from one another? Whatever it is, I don’t think it’s working.
- Tenoke 7y agoIf it was 'Disney Horizon', I wouldn't even consider using it since I am not their target market. With 'Facebook Horizon', I'd feel apprehensive about using another one of their products, but ultimately would go for it.
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- ghego1 7y agoThis reminds me of the game Oasis seen in Ready Player one, but with all the awkwardness that comes with the kind of social interactions that fb has brought us, minus the game centric experience. I would really really want to be excited about this, as from a tech point of view it deserves a lot of credit, but unfortunately lately whatever comes from FB makes me think "thanks, but no thanks". Plus, for some reason when the video started and the female blonde avatar came up on the screen moving slightly up and down very rapidly, I had a sudden increase in heart rate and I felt anxiety all the sudden. That's something really unexpected which I had rarely experienced, so it really put me off.
- franky47 7y agoThe fact that Facebook is behind it reminds me of Nolan Sorrento's desire to increase advertising space in the Oasis [1]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpPE85Jogjw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpPE85Jogjw
- imvetri 7y agoHere is my marketing content. "I am already in a world where I feel great. I have a rule. Never touch another man's creation. New things that interests me are already within me, why would I go out and learn something new to create something which I already have in my brain ? Ever expanding universe - ? Why would I build an universe in someone else's land while I can trust myself and build in my mind? Because its not creativity. Creativity is only when you bring out your thoughts in form of a material world. ok ok. I think thats why I have a pen and paper. I write. I draw. I scribble. I share to people whom I see face to face. Not by wearing a digital mask. With my naturally, many light years developed exo-skin as my mask. That's how I respect my ancestors and anyone before them. It all reaches till the source of the light which is sun." With this attitude and mindset of a living organism which knows what and who it is, would you expect me to fall for your trick? Formatted content is here https://iminui.wordpress.com/2019/09/27/facebook-horizon/ https://iminui.wordpress.com/2019/09/27/facebook-horizon/
- agota 7y agoYour post reminded me of lucid dreaming. We already have an in-built VR capability, it just takes a lot of effort to learn how to access it and use it, but once you do it's pretty crazy stuff.
- crooked-v 7y agoSo... Second Life in VR, but run by Facebook? For me, the "but" is enough to completely outweigh any interest in the first part.
- TheCabin 7y agoI totally get that this is irritating, however, there is also an advantage when run by someone like facebook: Users care about their existing profile and will behave better because of this (basically because they are not anonymous). IMHO, this is why FB marketplace works so nicely in the US.
- canardlaquay 7y agoYet, most of the time, we're using usernames to hide our identity because we don't want to have our real life connected directly with internet strangers. A sterile virtual environment ran by a company that makes money on me giving them my personal info? Not sure I'd want that. Plus, the fact that this is going to be a VR clone of Second Life without the anonymity and most probably without all the rated M stuff makes me rather sad. A big missed opportunity.
- hirundo 7y agoI hope Google Earth (or similar) does a VR world that maps one to one with the real world, but makes traveling, flying, etc., trivial. Meet friends in the desert, on a cloud, on the Moon, in the oval office, but a virtualized real place. In other words, make it a map of actual reality instead of a fantasy reality. Allow sharable fantasy/historical/speculative overlays, but focus on croudsourcing real details, current conditions, the world as it is. It could become more of a way to interact with the world than to escape it.
- srikz 7y agoThis reminds me of Playstation Home[1] but somehow feels worse! [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Home https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Home
- slavik81 7y agoHome felt kind of pointless, but originally it was going to integrate with the trophy system in a pretty cool way. You were going be able to walk through a museum of your accomplishments. Slay a dragon? Maybe your trophy is a giant dragon skeleton to hang from the roof. Win the NHL playoffs? You can put the Stanley Cup in your achievement hall. You get the idea. Of course, that all ended up on the cutting room floor. The question with these places is always, "why would I bother visiting them?" The Home trophy hall concept was pure vanity, but I would have enjoyed browsing through and reminiscing. That question remains unanswered for Horizon, at least for me.
- cryptozeus 7y agoThis looks exciting and depressing at the same time. I understand all the bashing about this on HN but would love to hear about this from younger generation and kids who are growing up on these devices.
- Havoc 7y agoA VR world controlled by a corporation I simply do not trust. Think I'll pass on that.
- codesushi42 7y agoNope.
- quaa55 7y agowonder if there are any eggs?
- mikedd 7y agoThis looks like Charlie Brooker's wet dream
- BlueTemplar 7y agoWell, "wet" as in "waking up screaming, drenched in cold sweat..."
- abledon 7y agoMy colleagues were excited by the prospect of Facebook's new Dating feature. I couldnt think of any 'layman' reasons not to use it.. they weren't too concerned with their privacy nor did they care if others had their data, because they "did normal stuff and had nothing to hide".. How do you guys bring the point around to average people who don't care about privacy?
- BlueTemplar 7y agoYou don't - if they are seriously pushing the "nothing to hide" argument, it's too late for them.
- KuhlMensch 7y agoThis is my goto: First, at scale, if an engineer can think it, statistically speaking there is an engineer who will do it. So let's pick a theoretical: Imagine you have all these photos of people with their faces - at the club, hugging at the pub etc. Then you can track who has a criminal record, due to what they post, key words, etc. And then you can track who statistically speaking, has a high chance of having a criminal record (but may not have). Then you can track these individuals moving around in various social circles. And then you look at peoples group photos, and raise a flag when there is cross-over between the circles. This is vastly interesting of course, but... who said it was cool to examine me and the people I meet to make that judgement? Even if FaceBook are not doing it now, who said it was cool to amass all this data so they CAN make this judgement, at anytime in the future. This behaviour in a person is called being "a bit judgey". When facebook do it, it's "a bit judgey"...with parallelized computing and machine learning. I'm not a criminal. I'm a totally chill guy. It literally wouldn't make me worried for myself if Facebook did this. But, I just find the whole role they can play...annoying.
- pmatos 7y agoReady Player One?
- theknarf 7y agoMy only real objection to this is that it's another social media owned by Facebook.
- osobo 7y agoMan, such hate in this thread. I, for one, am glad that someone is throwing serious money at consolidating VR experiences into a single world. I love what Rec Room has done there and I would certainly enjoy a new iteration. If it's too invasive or no fun, I'll delete it after trying. For now, I'm glad we're still moving forward in the VR space instead of it going the way of 3DTV.
- romwell 7y agoLook, I'm a 3D enthusiast, and embraced all 3D tech starting from 1800's stereoscopes to the 3D TV and strap-to-your-face attempts of the day. And I really want to like whatever FB is doing with Oculus, especially given that JC works on it. But one look at this... "Whatever I'm into", contrary to the claim, is surely not going to be there. It's a sterile toys-r-us vibe when even Disney gets that a bit less sugar and some grit will go a long way towards suspension of disbelief. It's the sheer tastelessness (subjective) of this that makes me sad. Candy Crush Saga isn't what I was craving for to fill my entire visual universe. I'm still glad that we're moving in that direction, but sad that this iteration is not for me. Guess I'll go watch Zeppelins on my Holmes. It's static 3D, but with more megapixels, and the visuals, even being B&W, are way better.
- KuhlMensch 7y agoYeah. This prompted me to google "SecondLife VR" and this came up https://www.sansar.com/ https://www.sansar.com/
- taneq 7y agoYeah, but what about the second part? The part where it says, "P.S. This is a trap."?
- raxxorrax 7y agoI just wish it wasn't the hardware vendors themselves that supply the software. I think oculus and others have solid devices to a fair price on the market. The capabilities speak for themselves. But since most people just don't own the hardware, there are many developers that currently still ignore VR. I think the best bet would be for more 3d software to include basic VR support. I would be nice to be able to the controllers, but I would be content with just using classical input methods. That would require you to know the layout of a keyboard, which is probably a big hurdle, but it would still make VR support more common. That said, I don't think software like this has the correct focus for many enthusiasts. I am not using a device that makes me look like I never want to speak to anybody ever again just to chat up people online. But I am not surprised Facebook went in that direction. Maybe it will have the positive effect of just pulling more people to VR who have a little money on the side to make that investment.
- ptah 7y agoanything that makes it easier for corporations to program humans like rats in a labyrinth is inherently a bad idea
- sAbakumoff 7y agothis video alone triggers vomiting on me already, not speaking about actual device and experience.
- martindbp 7y agoFacebook aside, I understand the negativity towards "virtual" living, but I think it's the only way we can save the planet at this point. Sure, the real world is great if you work in tech and live in the richest country in the world, but we can't sustainably provide a life like that to everyone on Earth. If everyone wants a house with a garden, two cars and multiple overseas trips each year then our planet will turn into a shithole. VR on the other hand has the possibility to provide experiences that rival the best the world has to offer, while consuming very little resources. You don't have to commute to work everyday, travel across the planet to experience other countries or buy huge houses to fit all your stuff. I think the rise of shut-ins and hikikomoris is already a sign that a low-resource (i.e. cheap) virtual life is more attractive to many people than the hyper-competitive modern life in gray dystopian metropolises. This is all of course predicated on solving the health issues with being in VR for long periods of time, like having displays mimicking natural sunlight, unobtrusive headsets, preventing eye-strain and a means for getting exercise.
- dawg- 7y agoThis all depends on how far you are willing to stretch the definition of "experience", I think.
- yCloser 7y agoThis thing will not be "playable" on Oculus Go? $$-wise? ...Who on earth thought it would be a good idea not to have legs?!
- pgt 7y agoI would like to see an artwork of an Oculus headset as a facehugger from Alien: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9d/1b/b5/9d1bb5d1c30cebd812ba875129f0b836--alien--alien-vs.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9d/1b/b5/9d1bb5d1c30cebd812ba87512...
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- paul7986 7y agoWow that promo video is real cheesy and Debbie gets it cause she's fictional. There's been a push for VR since the 90s. The mass public still doesn't get it or want it in terms of ever being something huge. I believe things like Echo Frames will be a mass product while any VR stuff is and will always be a niche market. Maybe FB hopes differently as they've pushed this isolating yet supposedly social experience for awhile without any type of real adoption.
- KuhlMensch 7y agoI'm intrigued, but the marketing sends a shiver up my spine DISCOVER YOU DEFY PHYSICAL LIMITS EVER-EXPANDING UNIVERSE Cripes-on-a-bike
- vertis 7y agoAt OC1 (possibly OC2, my memory is a bit vague) they handed out copies Ernest Clines' book Ready Player One. It was pretty clear this was the direction they were going to head, even if they seem to be blissfully unaware that they're closer to the antagonists in the story (IOI) than Gregarious Simulation Systems. Note: I have nothing specific against Facebook
- thatgerhard 7y agoIt's still facebook.. so no thanks
- nscalf 7y agoWhat I found most interesting is that it is launching with features where you can set how close other avatars can get to you, and you can go to your own sharded zone with no one else there and nothing else going on. I don't think I've seen a game launch with safe space features, but I think it's really interesting seeing the feature priorities that come out in a VR environment. They pointed these out on their "citizenship" page, so they have these features core to being a user.
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- knotsaltypepper 7y agoThe vr world is perfect for someone who has no friends, does not trust people, can not physically or mentally go and meet people. A world where your avatar is modeled after everyone else’s avatar so everyone looks normal and alike is a very welcoming world. Maybe if you could imagine the worst possible situation and circumstance of the real horrible existence that is the actual life of someone else. You may see that the opportunity how ever brief to feel that warmth (love) that a vr metaverse offers would add to a life. That in turn will benefit them so when they take that head set off their life has been enriched and maybe even a smile would replace the tears that nightly put them to sleep. The mind is very powerful and vulnerable. The positive effect that this Horizon can have is amazing. I will be waiting
- agoodthrowaway 7y agoIs it me or is this a Facebook version of 2nd Life?