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Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers
- almost_usual 7y agoWhat you will hear are actual U.S. fighter pilots, who are highly trained observers and weapons systems operators (WSO), in an excited state over the experience. "What the [expletive] is that thing?" "Oh my gosh, dude"
- rblion 7y agoI was a skeptic of a lot of things until I saw some flying orbs around Mount Shasta, California last October. I saw similar moving orbs again in upstate NY this year on two occasions. I don't know what I saw but they were not weather balloons, satellites, planes, planets, stars, or meteors. Anyone here ever see something similar?
- reilly3000 7y agoI just heard a recent Joe Rogan episode with Dan Aykroyd - this topic was the majority of their discussion for at least 45 mins.
- reilly3000 7y agolink: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LIsLD3j0oQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LIsLD3j0oQ
- rblion 7y agothanks! going to listen now with a cup of tea, great way to end the day.
- reilly3000 7y agoI’m not personally convinced about the veracity of all of that, but I’m amazed at the scope and specificity of what they discuss. The reality I see is several hundred thousand people can believe virtually anything, and all agree with each other. Look at the anti-vax movement, which today compared itself with the civil rights movement. Also, flat-earth and creation science come to mind. I can’t say if any of these are right or wrong about their respective claims, but their tactics and communications styles are largely similar. The group’s metaphorical center of gravity becomes so dense it manufactures its own credibility from within.
- rblion 7y agoI couldn't listen all the way through, it was interesting at times but just a lot of the same circular arguments and assumptions. I'm pretty much done with the UFO topic unless something revolutionary or unprecedented happens. It's a diversion, a distraction.
- prestonh 7y agoWas there anyone there with you that also saw?
- rblion 7y agoYes, 15 eyewitnesses at encounter #2 and 7 for encounter #3. The first one was just me alone backpacking. I doubted it until I realized this was not an uncommon thing to see based on other accounts I soon learned about.
- starpilot 7y agoDay or night? Quite a few of these turn out to be commercial airplanes at night.
- rblion 7y agoPlanes have blinking lights, right? These had none of those. They moved around in a non-linear fashion at will, they were intelligently operated. One of them disappeared in a flash... All the people there with me ruled out all the logical possibilities too, most of them were skeptics (including myself) before we saw them. We still joke about the ordeal when we see each other.
- ceejayoz 7y ago> Planes have blinking lights, right? Not necessarily - they can be turned off, non-functional, or drowned out by a brighter light like the landing lights from a distance. > One of them disappeared in a flash... Or someone flipped the landing lights switch. I saw a C-17 at night while staying near Fort Drum that I was completely baffled by until it got close enough to properly make out. Had it stayed away, I'd have had one of those "inexplicable" encounters people talk about too.
- rblion 7y agoThere were two of them next to each other. Is that common at all? Does 'formation flying' involve craft flying around in random non-linear fashion? There was a bunch of us and we discussed it for awhile, aircraft is the first thing we jumped to...
- egfx 7y agoYes I have. I posted about it in an unrelated article https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18367198 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18367198 I’d make a correction though. It was not as fast as a super fast bird but more akin to a lightning fast game of laser tag or air hokey. The weirdest thing is that for some reason it immediately impressed on me that this was technology.
- rblion 7y agoIt's interesting for sure. It's a mystery. Could be intentional misdirection by the government, could be beings from another planet or dimension, could be something I can't even wrap my brain around.
- egfx 7y agoIt could be silicon based life reassembling itself into a super computer. And maybe it has evolved to a point where it’s capable of exploring the outside world just as we have as humans. At least that’s my leading hypothesis. After all silicon is one of the most abundant material inside the crust. It worked on the surface for carbon based life. And I can’t imagine anything being able to travel here from interstellar space. https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/bringing-silicon-life-53049 https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/bringing-silicon-life-530...
- michaelmrose 7y agoIt's arguable that beings from another world actually exist although we now know that absent almost surely impossible ftl getting here would be a tremendous effort rendering the supposition that explorers are just popping in quite silly. Far from improving the situation positing other dimensions which we have no proof exist, and beings that we have no proof even can exist seems to make the theory much weaker not stronger.
- rblion 7y agoOur understanding of physics is still primitive compared to Type I, Type II, and Type III civilizations. Be humble.
- driverdan 7y ago> I don't know what I saw but they were not weather balloons, satellites, planes, planets, stars, or meteors. If you don't know what they were then you can't rule out these other things.
- rblion 7y agoI used an astronomy app on my phone to verify the satellites, planets, stars, meteors part. They moved around in a non-linear fashion at will, they were intelligently operated. One of them disappeared in a flash...
- michaelmrose 7y agoHow do you know they were intelligently operated?
- rblion 7y agoWhat organic phenomenon moves around like that? is what we asked ourselves. One of the people with me was from Columbia University and he is as 'rational' as they come, even he was baffled...
- Pyxl101 7y agoNext time you see it, break out your phone or camera and capture a video. Then we can discuss the actual video!
- Retric 7y agoThings disappear at night when they turn their lights off. It’s common to confuse it with extreme speeds, but I am not sure why. PS: One of the strangest things I saw in the nights sky tuned out to be one of these: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5J52MLXXUy4 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5J52MLXXUy4 My perspective of how large and fast it was ended up being completely wrong.
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- cr0sh 7y agoI (and my brother-in-law) saw something a long while back that, while I have a rational explanation for what it might have been - I still don't honestly know for certain. It was late at night and we were in the back of a pickup getting some shuteye, heading east on the 8 outside of San Diego - if I had to make a guess we were somewhere between SD and El Centro; I can't narrow it down more. So we're going down the freeway, and above the mountains to the south we see this bright "dot" - yellowish. It sits there, hovering above the mountains. Then it moves slowly to the west, staying above the mountain line - and instantly stops. Stays still for a bit, then at a steep angle (or what appeared to be) it instantly accelerated (like in the blink of the eye) "up" and was gone. My best guess after the fact? Somebody aiming or messing around with an artificial star (sodium laser): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_guide_star https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_guide_star At least - that's what I tell myself, because I have no other rational idea as to what could move like that...
- rblion 7y agoThis sounds similar to what we saw. I want to know as well but I don't think it was a laser in our case. I could be wrong though, I'm okay with it being a mystery for now. They moved around in a non-linear fashion at will, they were intelligently operated. One of them disappeared in a flash... Strange thing was during encounter #2, they appeared in the spot in the sky 2 nights in a row. It's easy to dismiss these encounters as nothing and it's also easy to just jump to wild conclusions. I asked here to see if others have seen something like this and I got my answer, I'm not the only one. It's good that both of our encounters were in California too, where some of these leaked videos are from as well.
- briankelly 7y agoMaybe considered ball lightning: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning
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- ummonk 7y agoCould you provide a little more detail as to what they looked like, how they moved, etc.?
- rblion 7y agoWhite-colored, orb-shaped. They moved around in a non-linear fashion at will, they were intelligently operated. One of them disappeared in a flash... Strange thing was during encounter #2, they appeared in the spot in the sky 2 nights in a row.
- ummonk 7y agoAnd too big to be laser pointers?
- rblion 7y agoYes, I'd say so. I'm gonna accept it as a mystery and leave it at that. It's not of critical importance for me to find out what I saw to be honest, I'm just curious about it.
- heartbreak 7y agoSounds like ball lightning.
- russdill 7y agoWe live in an age where nearly everyone has a smartphone capable of recording video, satellites record the earth, and ground cameras record the sky. You either have to believe there is some massive conspiracy to cover the truth, or you are seeing some mundane phenomenon for which you just don't have the explanation available to you.
- rblion 7y agoIt's a self-fulfilling prophecy, people will see what they want to see. I just asked out of curiosity. I don't care to be validated as an experiencer or as a skeptic. I happen to live on this planet and saw something strange that my knowledge of nature or astronomy could not explain. I don't know what I saw, I'm gonna leave it at that. My original question has been answered, other people in this community have seen 'odd moving orbs' and no one knows what they are.
- russdill 7y agoAlso don't forget in these accounts that every time a memory is recalled, especially when it is retold, it is malleable.
- geggam 7y agoEver take a picture of the beautiful moon with that snazzy phone ? Turns out like crap. I doubt even the best camera phone could catch meaningful video of an object at 20k ft
- russdill 7y agoActually turns out pretty good: https://i.imgur.com/0tyR6W0.jpg https://i.imgur.com/0tyR6W0.jpg
- neom 7y agoI grew up in the middle of no where in rural Scotland, one night from my bedroom window I watched a glowing orb do crazy acrobatics in the air for about an hour, my sister and mum saw it as well. I'll have to ask her how she found him, but my mum contacted some guy who catalogued UFO reports in Scotland. Part of his investigation was contacting the police, my mum kept the letter they sent back: http://john.je/235ca4350b78 http://john.je/235ca4350b78 Still gives me chills remembering watching it.
- rblion 7y agoInteresting! I know it's 'cool' to just dismiss things like this but I like to believe there are still many mysteries in the world and that human beings are still pretty primitive in grand scheme of things. Especially when you consider the Kardashev scale.
- pintxo 7y agoLights in the night sky on January 1st? Seriously?
- iamnotacrook 7y ago"Anyone here ever see something similar? " Nobody who wasn't off their face on drugs or mentally ill probably, no. "they were not weather balloons, satellites, planes, planets, stars, or meteors." Other than little aliens in magic flying machines what do you think they could have been?
- ozzmotik 7y agoi think the whole bit implying that one has to be mentally ill or on drugs to see such a thing is kind of made in bad faith. for what it's worth, i certainly suffer from mental illness and i have been "out of this dimension" in terms of drug abuse in the past so to speak and i certainly have never witnessed such a thing in my life. so i find it hard to believe either of those things would make one more likely to perceive such things and view them in such a manner. if anything id be more willing to say that it would more likely be someone who has an overactive sense of confirmation bias, but of course I have no idea.
- nowandlater 7y agoOnly once: While on an Army training exercise at Fort Irwin California, through the IR scope of a Bradley Fighting Vehicle, at night (~ 9:45 PM) in the summer of 2009. I was gazing at the exhaust of a hovering black hawk when a perfectly spherical, very hot, object moved into my field of view. It was behind the helicopter, and as I followed it I realized It was rotating 360 degrees -- at an unknown distance -- around our position. I attempted to range the object with my gun, but once I did, it immediately froze in its position, went from white hot to cold black and back again, and then shot up (very quickly) and out of my view where I lost sight of it. I shared this with the rest of my platoon afterwords, after which we all took to our scopes, ... and it came back, but six spheres this time and in a diamond shaped formation. After one full rotation, the objects slowly broke formation and disappeared into the sky. I never knew what to make of it, but like Mulder, I want to believe.
- rblion 7y agoWere you able to get any footage? Yeah, we are both in the same place. I want to be a rational as possible but I also want to believe we are not alone in the universe. This is as human of a feeling as I know, right?
- nowandlater 7y agoUnfortunately not. I share your sentiment; that "something bigger than us" feeling seems to nag at us.
- mrhappyunhappy 7y agoIt's likely we are not alone but it's highly unlikely any sophisticated life forms would ever cross paths due to the sheer scale of the universe.
- api 7y agoIt's unlikely that we are alone: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_potentially_habitable_exoplanets https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_potentially_habitable_... Is anyone visiting? That's more far-fetched given the distances and such.
- twiceaday 7y agoI'd like for you to spell out exactly what you mean by "I was a skeptic of a lot of things until..." You saw something you couldn't explain. How is this connected to skepticism? Haven't you ever seen a magic trick you couldn't explain? Conversely, haven't you ever been lied to and were convinced you knew the explanation but later found out it was wrong? The absence of evidence that something terrestrial happened is not the evidence of absence of something terrestrial happening. You saw something you are uncertain of, why does it seem like you are flirting with being certain it was aliens? Your experience was legitimate, please explain the legitimacy in linking your experience to other accounts of completely different phenomena and the alien narrative overall? I think if your skepticism was shaken you were doing it wrong.
- rblion 7y agoI think all -isms are an ego trap. I'd like to stop there. I don't care to be validated as an experiencer or as a skeptic, both are extreme points of view if you ask me. Some people jump straight to aliens, others jump straight to bullshit. I would give this more time but I need to go to bed, I've spent more time in this thread than I thought I would.
- twiceaday 7y agoYou said very little, I asked you to clarify, this is a cop-out. You have a faulty definition of skepticism, it is an easy-for-you-to-attack caricature. Plus, you've made no claims that require skepticism. You only implied them. I asked you to make them explicit but you got cold feet or something. This, combined with your comments in the other thread about wanting to believe there is something greater and that we are not alone, is enough for me to stop engaging.
- rblion 7y agoNo, it's more a way to save time. People either dismiss things like with 'ball lightning' 'dogfighting' 'laserpointers' or they jump to 'aliens' 'secret machines'. I'm good on this discussion, it's not mission critical to what I am doing and I don't see the value of continuing it. Nobody knows what they are, they just have theories. I am okay with it being a mystery, I'm sure I'll see them again and I'll get video next time.
- Gene_Parmesan 7y agoYeah, and I don't think they were aliens. I just don't know what they were. We were driving through very rural Illinois at about 10 pm. I was just staring out of the window up at the sky. Suddenly, I noticed a rather bright orb (not perfectly circular or anything, I just don't know how else to describe it) hovering in the air. I would guess maybe a quarter mile laterally, and only a couple hundred of feet up. I didn't think much of it at first; I thought it was a plane to be honest. But then it faded out -- more like shimmered out. When it shimmered back in, there were now several of them, 3 or so. They moved in very quick, defined spurts -- thirty feet left then stop, ten feet up then stop. Then these faded out, and faded back in again, but now there were 6-8 of them. More weirdly precise movements, moving separately but staying close as a group. Then they all went absolutely tearing off, directly up, in unison. Lost sight of them almost immediately. I can't emphasize enough how close they seemed. These weren't far-off objects I had to squint to see. For those who have driven through rural farmland in USA, think about your typical interstate with a planted field off to your left. A big planted field, but still only field sized, with a line of trees marking the property boundary on the far edge. That's what these were by, and they were well within the boundaries of the field. I was in the car with my parents, both of whom saw them. (I was getting ready to enter college, so I was probably 18.) They seemed very freaked out and refused to discuss it; I was just captivated and curious. To this day they won't discuss it and sometimes even pretend they don't know what I"m talking about. Again, I'm not at all saying they were ETs, I firmly believe the properties of the Universe make it an infinitesimally small chance that a crossing-of-the-paths will ever occur for two intelligences, if multiple inhabited planets even exist. But I just don't know what these were. They were very close, very bright, very concrete (if that makes sense at all), and their movements were unlike anything I'd ever seen before. Very unnatural-seeming motions. I've never seen anything like it since, either. It's not like I've suddenly started seeing lights everywhere I look.
- nomel 7y agoIt would be interesting to set up a crowd sourced, and maybe crowd hosted, reporting system for sightings like this. It could help track larger movements, (puts on tinfoil) with their accuracy verified by how quickly the service is taken down/flooded/infiltrated.
- sudosteph 7y agoI wouldn't describe the weird thing I've seen in the exact same way, but I understand the feeling of seeing something you can't explain as a skeptic and being shaken by it. I'd have happily just doubted my sanity altogether and left it at that if my husband hadn't been right there seeing the same thing and reacting the same way.
- ChrisGranger 7y agoMind telling us about the weird thing you and your husband saw?
- sudosteph 7y agoI'm hesitant to post it because I know how people judge this stuff, but I'll share anyhow since the other commenter did. My husband was driving on a remote part of i-10 in Mississippi very late at night, and were the only ones on the road for a long time and it was pitch black - no overhead lights at all, no cars in either direction. We were traveling in the right lane when we both saw a car's tail lights ahead of us, starting to merge into our lane (it appeared to be driving forward, but slower than we were). I'm kinda a side seat driver subconsciously, so I did a little lean away from it, and my husband put his blinker on and got left to avoid an accident. We figured it had been stopped on the side for some reason, and was just merging back in. But as we drove past it, we realized we couldn't see the rest of the car. There was no reflection of our head lights against the body, no headlights or any light at all in our rear view mirror. There was no sound as we passed it. It just wasn't there. We even slowed down in the left lane for a bit, thinking it could catch up, but we didn't see any other cars until we exited to Biloxi. And besides, there was no way anyone could drive on that road with no headlights on a night like that. I made note of the mile marker from where it happened (near Vancleave fwiw) and looked it up on google maps later. There wasn't a good margin or side road or something that would have made sense for someone to stop at. We've driven across the country 4 times now, but nothing like that had happened before or since. I don't know whether to call it a ghost car, a multi-verse artifact, a shared delusion or what. But whatever it was, it was hard to reckon with.
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- nullc 7y ago> until I saw some flying orbs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning perhaps?
- api 7y agoThis is totally hypothetical, but if these orbs and weird multicolored lights were actual physical craft I can in fact think of a physically plausible propulsion system that might look like that. We know how to build two kinds of rockets: high thrust rockets with low specific impulse (Merlin, Raptor, SSME, F-1, etc.) and low thrust rockets with high specific impulse (ion thrusters). Excluding crazy stuff like thermonuclear pulse propulsion, we do not know how to build a rocket that is both high specific impulse and high thrust. There is no physical reason to believe that such a thing is impossible though. We just don't (at least in the declassified world?) know how to build one. A rocket that's both high thrust and high specific impulse would have a thrust whose particles are traveling at probably near relativistic speeds. Think of it as using a high efficiency high throughput particle accelerator as a rocket. The performance of such a thing would be simply awesome, especially in terms of "delta-V budget" as per the rocket equation. In physics terms it's a plain old reaction engine but to someone ignorant of the tech it would look almost like anti-gravity or some other kind of magic. Now here's where it gets kind of neat. What would such a thing look like visually if it were operating in the atmosphere? Those crazy high energy exhaust particles would immediately collide with the atmosphere and emit light. The light would be a mix of the emission spectra of whatever the exhaust is made of and atmospheric gases. If the exhaust contained heavier stuff like metal ions the colors could be vivid and bright. Brightness and possibly color could change based on thrust and thrust vectoring. It would look like a flying orb or a neon light show. It would also be dangerous if you were anywhere close to it since it would kick off quite a lot of heat and probably X-rays or worse. If it were truly near-relativistic it would probably ignite small amounts of nuclear fusion in the atmosphere and emit neutrons and gamma rays too. I imagine that might give it a little more power too, like an afterburner from hell. I imagine there would be RF emissions as well. The craft itself would be hot as hell too since the power requirements would be at least in the hundreds of megawatts. Even if the power source and thrusters had really high efficiency, the second law of thermodynamics would require the craft to dump at least tens of megawatts of heat overboard somehow. It would light up brightly in the infrared and be really obvious to FLIR. Small craft using a thruster like that might look like flying orbs or multicolored light shows. A much larger more powerful one could probably attain velocities that would allow interstellar travel in "reasonable" time frames... for something with a really long life span or non-biological that is. Again just speculation, but AFAIK does not violate any known physics and would match quite a lot of UFO reports.
- simonblack 7y agoI reckon it's misdirection. "We'll say it's a UFO, but really it's a hypersonic plane in development." Just like the SR71 had a cover story during its development phase. "The wreckage was recovered in two days, and persons at the scene were identified and requested to sign secrecy agreements. A cover story for the press described the accident as occurring to a F-105, and it is still listed in this way on official records." - https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/kent-csi/vol15no1/html/v15i1a01p_0001.htm https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intellig...
- ImaCake 7y agoThis seems the most credible to me. I wonder which nation state has these machines? Because they are clearly incredible. It would certainly be nicer than using conventional aircraft when flying Australia to Europe, even at the expense of experiencing high G forces. I think the press articles we see about this are part of a broader information war campaign trying to plant red herrings to confuse other nation state actors.
- georgeburdell 7y ago>nation state Your diction says much about your point of view.
- starpilot 7y agoEven a hypersonic aircraft wouldn't be capable of the maneuvers witnessed. It was also shaped like a tic tac, which doesn't align with any known hypersonic airframe shaping technique (like a wedge or waverider).
- jonathankoren 7y agoThis is of course assuming that the purported maneuvers actually happened, and I’m not the least convinced that they are. Unfortunately I can’t find the video right now, but there was a video I watched where the guy broke down the GoFast video using the angles and speed displayed screen, and made a very convincing argument that it’s not actually moving fast, but appears to be going fast do to parallax. Instead it’s basically going wind speed — like a balloon. Similarly, as someone linked to elsewhere in this discussion, the images showing up as glowing ovals don’t actually mean anything. Everything shows up as ovals in FLIR artifacts. I’m thinking these are just the most mundane of mundane items, that are only bringing detected because of ironically increased sensor fidelity.
- NGC404 7y ago~same topic now: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21008930 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21008930 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21008988 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21008988 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20997012 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20997012 older: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828448 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828448
- wildrhythms 7y agoWould just like to piggyback on this to say that the wording of what is "real" is very specific: >[the Navy] designates the objects contained in these videos as unidentified aerial phenomena. That is to say, the videos are "real" in that the source is genuine (captured by the U.S. Navy and not a doctored hoax), but the Navy is not making any other statement on what appears in the video.
- ak217 7y agoYou missed the most sane thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20018535 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20018535 and in particular https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20019375 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20019375.
- PenguinCoder 7y agoNGC as on, Northrop Grumman ? (404) not found@
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- RickJWagner 7y agoThere's enough anecdotal material available now that I don't consider myself a scoffer. I'm curious about UFOs and don't really know what to think about them. Also, several politicians have made curious statements about 'releasing information to the public'. If there was just nothing there, I don't think they'd be talking about it. Looking forward to the day (I think) when we all know what's out there.
- coffeefirst 7y agoHistorically UFO sightings spike at times of high and amorphous cultural anxiety. Sometimes they turn out to be radar quirks, or experimental aircraft, or nothing at all. But if anything, given the culture, I’m surprised we don’t see more UFOs.
- codesushi42 7y agoLooking forward to the day (I think) when we all know what's out there. Intelligent life that is too far away to ever encounter us.
- kart23 7y agoI think theres two possibilities that are believable for me. I dont think its 'aliens' or other extraterrestrials. Either it is completely fake, made up by the navy to hide something else that they wanted to cover up, and could also serve as a confusion tactic for other countries aerospace programs, some sort of fake internal thing to tease out a mole or another situation like that. The other possibility is that it really is some sort of new propulsion device being tested by a top-secret government agency or some other private party, and somehow they made the fatal mistake of being sighted by the jet. I simply dont believe the us military would release this video if it was actually a new secret technology they were trying to hide.
- Rebelgecko 7y agoWhat about a third option, it's a visual artifact on the FLIR recording?
- vokep 7y agoThis. It fits a lot of aspects of past "UFO" sightings that were actually just a reflection. The major issue in this case is multiple witnesses, and also supposedly multiple instruments detecting it (I've seen this claimed in comments but not the evidence itself) If the thing behaves as though it has no inertia and does all these amazing movements, what else does? A reflection or otherwise illusory object can do all that easily, in fact thats the default behavior.
- erik_landerholm 7y agoHow do you explain the pilots who said they saw it visually for 5 minutes?
- cronix 7y agoAnd on other radar systems within the strike carrier group. The Nimitz event was tracked on multiple systems of varying technologies, for multiple days, not just the planes. FLIR was just one piece of the puzzle, of which video was released.
- arthurcolle 7y agoAlternative discussion on the same subject matter: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21008930 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21008930
- one2know 7y agoThe videos are of real aircraft recorded through a FLIR pod. When zoomed out far enough the aircraft simply look like fuzzy ovals as demonstrated in this video https://youtu.be/jWjpnCKcj8M?t=136 https://youtu.be/jWjpnCKcj8M?t=136 For some reason people in the military and government are trolling the public, perhaps as part of a campaign to discredit news agencies.
- devtul 7y agoI thought we were over the fact that news agencies don't need any help to discredit themselves.
- ddingus 7y agoWe are far from that point. On some things, they do fine. Others have conflicts of interest in play. We get messaged to.
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- typeformer 7y agoExplain why Raytheon's Director of Engineering also believes that they captured a ET craft, they've even used it in their marketing! https://www.raytheon.com/news/feature/uap_atflir https://www.raytheon.com/news/feature/uap_atflir
- mrhappyunhappy 7y agoI think you just answered your own question...
- godelski 7y ago> For some reason people in the military and government are trolling the public This is an old tactic. It makes it hard for enemies to gather good data. It also makes it hard to know who and what to trust. You have pilots saying ridiculous things so can you trust every pilot? Makes vetting MUCH MUCH harder. All the major powers do this. But it is kinda like a placebo effect, even knowing about it doesn't make it less effective. So I don't think it is so much to discredit news agencies but to make it harder for enemies to vet eye witness stories on experimental technologies.
- newnewpdro 7y agoI suspect we won't learn what this is until there's another major armed conflict bringing all the latest toys out of the shed.
- bdowling 7y agoCould this be the Russian nuclear-powered cruise missile? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9M730_Burevestnik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9M730_Burevestnik
- DuskStar 7y agoNo, for a huge number of reasons - not least of which being timing (the cruise missile is in early development now, and these videos are 5+ years old) performance (cruise missiles can't do what the objects in the video did, even if nuclear powered - nuclear power is more an endurance feature anyways) lack of fallout (unshielded directly cooled reactors produce quite a few interesting isotopes) and location (why would the Russians fly a missile like that anywhere near the US?).
- JamesUtah07 7y agoNo, iirc they've tested two of them and both failed
- patientplatypus 7y agoI wonder what this will do to the "AREA 51 RAID" planned for September 20th. Weird times we live in.
- gnulinux 7y agoIt will not happen. It's just a meme. 2 people are already arrested, thousands of people are not stupid enough to raid an American military base.
- derefr 7y agoAnyone in this thread familiar with Electronic Warfare? Specifically, the EW arms race between a guided missile's "eyes", and decoy signals created by things that don't want to get hit by said missiles? (Or, better yet, between large-scale MIRV missiles, that don't want their warheads to get hit by interceptor systems, and the sensors on those interceptor counter-missiles. In that case, you'd call these techniques https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penetration_aid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penetration_aid s.) Consider that we now have reasonably-cheap, high-quality cameras and feature-detection ASICs that we can plop into missiles. Oh, and wide-band software-defined radios, too, to cheaply range-find our targets all over the spectrum. (Remember, SDR radios are expensive for consumers, but that's an artificial supply-limit, precisely because of their military applications.) Consider what sort of decoys would be required to trick all that fancy sensor tech. Now consider what such decoy emissions would look like to human eyes, or any other sensor. If you can trick a Sufficiently-Advanced Missile, you can trick anything. (For fun, also consider the modern menagerie of cheaply-available parts that you could shove into such a decoy: a laser rangefinder, a short-throw projector, an optical stabilization array, some negative-index metamaterial "scales" that can be flipped on and off—like those glittery pillows!—some more SDRs, a MIMO signal-shaping antenna array. Oh, and an ultrasonic humidifier, because emissions won't diffract off of thin, non-turbulent air.) Presume you have a bunch of these mesh-networked together (or all slaved to a stealthed aircraft so far above that it's out of range of your instrumentation unless you know exactly where to look), and that they're built with hard real-time links to one-another such that they can execute perfectly-timed hand-offs of the emissions-signature they're working together to project. In short, picture a bunch of projectors you can't find, working to create a moving multi-spectral hologram in the sky. Picture one of the projector-drones gliding into place "underneath" the projection, just in time to give off a sonar return—and then wandering away again. None of this is impossible. None of this is even particularly challenging if you spend $100MM/yr on it. And this is just what someone who doesn't know about any of the classified stuff can imagine.
- guardiangod 7y agoYeah, I watched Spider-Man:Far From Home as well. Seriously though, the pilots reported visual sighting as well. Projecting a hologram is one thing, projecting one while flying at 800km/hr is another.
- dmix 7y agoI'm still not buying how they could be on a big deployment off the east coast of the US and didn't have any other sensors pick it up besides two pilots next to each other with FLIR camera autotracking it momentarily. Not to mention the constant satellite and aerial radar coverage and other networked stuff they have for these big deployments. This isn't in the middle of the Indian ocean like the missing Malaysian plane. At the end of the day we're left with another single location, single perspective anecdote which there were already countless before.
- spydum 7y agoWest coast right? Weren’t there other similar stories from ATC and commercial pilots? https://www.foxnews.com/science/ufo-evidence-recordings-reveal-air-traffic-controls-confusion-at-strange-craft-over-oregon https://www.foxnews.com/science/ufo-evidence-recordings-reve...
- dmix 7y agoThere was two videos released by NYT, one was over the east coast. I haven't dug into the pacific north west incident, like I did the other one. Didn't really hold my interest. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/navy-pilots-ufo-reports-confirmed-new-york-times-military-unidentified-flying-object/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/navy-pilots-ufo-reports-confirm... > Lieutenant Graves still cannot explain what he saw. In the summer of 2014, he and Lt. Danny Accoin, another Super Hornet pilot, were part of a squadron, the VFA-11 “Red Rippers” out of Naval Air Station Oceana, Va., that was training for a deployment to the Persian Gulf. > The pilots began noticing the objects after their 1980s-era radar was upgraded to a more advanced system. As one fighter jet after another got the new radar, pilots began picking up the objects, but ignoring what they thought were false radar tracks. Note: new radar can suggest more than just better capabilities but possibly less experience and more complexity (harder bugs). My question: where are the really smart people at NASA or w/e with deep understanding of spaceflight and theoretical physics? So I far I only see excited posts from military bloggers and a some guys who sell books about aliens.
- luxuryballs 7y agoWhenever I see “UFOs are real!” or “it must be a UFO!” I immediately in my head think, of course if it’s flying and you don’t know what it is, it’s an Unidentified Flying Object, why wouldn’t that be real?? So what I’ve done is accepted the fact that usually what people mean is an UNIDENTIFIABLE Flying Object, and it makes me feel a little bit better...
- hanoz 7y agohttps://youtu.be/MMiKyfd6hA0 https://youtu.be/MMiKyfd6hA0
- i_feel_great 7y agoI have always wondered why the US government never took advantage of this sort of thing to make serious money. Just think of a massive extraterrestrial-themed resort in the desert in the vicinity of Area 51. Think of all the licensing deals.
- ianai 7y agoPeople don’t actually want the government to be a for profit enterprise. It would mean the government being influenced by private interests with money.
- awad 7y agoThat's not really the business they're in but nothing stopping you from doing it!
- i_feel_great 7y agoI already thought of that but it would be difficult because it is far less "believable" if an individual manufactured these things than if the government did it. That is why things like all those Lochness Monster hotels go broke all the time. People start disbelieving that stuff quickly.
- semerda 7y agoAnyone notice the pilot switched between BLK and WHT mode and on both occasions the designator was coming back as COLD! Shouldn't a designator with an exhaust or any machinery in motion return HOT? Or did I get this wrong?
- bendbro 7y agoPerhaps it was the brightness or contrast of the sensor autoadjusting?
- semerda 7y agoNah in the intro they explain all the parts of the display unit and one of those was the state of tracked objects between these 2 modes. So the pilot checked the heat from each object using 2 different sensors (BLK & WHT) and both returned cold. Weird.
- brennankreiman 7y agoThere’s this article that talks about how they could be radar reflecting balloons specifically designed to be seen by the navy to test their response and radar capabilities, like we have in the past against other countries. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28640/could-some-of-the-ufos-navy-pilots-are-encountering-be-airborne-radar-reflectors https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28640/could-some-of-th...
- erik_landerholm 7y agoI feel like a lot of commenters on here must first be hearing of this or have not even looked into the tic-tac case even a small amount. You have a top gun pilot and his WSO on record saying they saw it visually along with a huge underwater craft. It moved in ways that nothing using conventional propulsion can. Hovering for example is extremely difficult, made all the harder with no wings, blades or visible exhaust. Long form interview: Part1: https://youtu.be/3L-XG1F_S7I https://youtu.be/3L-XG1F_S7I Part2: https://youtu.be/f7XJD_54aNk https://youtu.be/f7XJD_54aNk There are about 20+ interviews with him on cnn, Fox News, Boston herald, ny times, etc and he will be on joe Rogan soon. I get the objections to the FLIR video or radar pings, but if you think it’s a new jet or misdirection you have to say he and his WSO and many others are liars or confused by our own tech. Our own tech means we have something well beyond standard jet engines and fighter jet tech. There are plenty more videos with even more details like the tic tacs (there were many of them on radar) moving 20000+ mph, dropping in from 80000ft to close to the deck. The details of the carrier fleet redirecting the jets to the position of the tic-tac is very interesting as it wasn’t at their training position...until it showed up their later. The FLIR video is from another pilot who went after it, after captain fravor landed.
- tclancy 7y ago>he will be on joe Rogan soon. Well, shut my mouth.
- erik_landerholm 7y agoI meant, it will be a 3 hr interview, instead of 45 minutes or 2 minute sounds bytes, so it will probably cover all the parts of the story, as there are more than I wrote about. I wasn’t saying that Rogan is some kind of badge of legitimacy.
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- ip26 7y agoI probably just didn't understand the HUD but to me the tic-tac video I saw behaved a lot like dust in my camera lens. It seemed almost perfectly stationary within the field of view, and that kind of artifact will of course "travel" at impossible speeds and accelerate in impossible ways.
- vinceguidry 7y agoIt should be reminded that UFO means "unidentified flying object" not that it's totally unexplainable. Just that there wasn't enough to go on to figure out what they were at the time.
- godelski 7y agoReading the linked Vice article >"Based on pilot accounts, encounters with these UAPs (unidentified aerial phenomena) often involved complex flight patterns and advanced maneuvering, which demand extreme advances in quantum mechanics, nuclear science, electromagnetics, and thermodynamics.” - Walker > Republican representative Mark Walker of North Carolina This is laughably stupid. QM and nuclear science? Can we call out politicians for just throwing in words that they don't know what they mean? Seriously, I think we should call these people out. I'll even laugh at the extreme part. My bet is that these things are just some test drones. They might have advanced materials and so you can't trust a lot of the data coming into the FLIR sensor. I don't think it would surprise anyone here that the people making the "most advanced sensors on the market" 1) have more advanced sensors being researched/tested 2) don't perform adversarial attacks on those sensors during testing. As for the visuals, well drones can pull Gs that pilots can't. So if we can't trust the sensor readings (speed and size) and we just see something zipping around, it shouldn't surprise anyone that a drone _could_ be the culprit. As to the article, this is clearly misdirection. But that's part of warfare. https://youtu.be/qOTYgcdNrXE?t=1281 https://youtu.be/qOTYgcdNrXE?t=1281
- Pokepokalypse 7y agospaaaaaaaace foooooooorce.
- _vn5r 7y agoIs it possible he’s just repeating something he read on a navy report? Genuine question.
- godelski 7y agoI'm not sure why anyone in the Navy would say that to them, especially anyone with any type of engineering or science background. But if they did I'd be happy to shift the accountability, somewhat. Somewhat because politicians should also have BS meters, so holding their feet to the fire should also help tune this BS meter. Because let's be real, this is just absurd and should set off tons of BS meters.
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- tempsy 7y agoAnyone feel like this is a bit of a troll move, especially given the viral Facebook event to storm Area 51 is supposedly happening in a few days? What prompted them to say this now?
- friendlybus 7y agoShhh it's an art project. Let people analyze it as science as if it were ever meant to be done so that way.
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- andrewstuart 7y agoEver since the 1970's mysterious UFO and bigfoot style videos have turned up. Always, ALWAYS, ALWAYS distant, blurry, out of focus and "from an authoritative source". This is precisely the same as the 1970s. Leonard Nimoy knew what was going on "In Search Of UFOs": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVFWJDPcPnk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVFWJDPcPnk
- tclancy 7y agoI took a sci-fi movie course in the 90s and the professor opened it by mentioning people used to see great clipper ships in the sky. The other telling moment was when he asked why UFOs only appear in places “so small people have to take turns being the village idiot” and someone leapt up to day, “You can’t prove it’s not true!”
- hackerbabz 7y agoThat’s fascinating. I wonder if people thought the royal navy was hiding flying ship technology. Or, God forbid, the French had developed it first!
- andrewstuart 7y agoPresumably the job of these elite pilots in the fastest war machines available is to get a close look - why don't they move to intercept? Conveniently "impossible" of course for some reason, guessing they were "going too fast" to be intercepted.
- Reedx 7y ago"I think Bigfoot is blurry, that's the problem." -Mitch Hedberg
- gfodor 7y agoMy theory is that these are old autonomous probes that are part of a system designed to prevent any civilization from developing technology which would threaten the origin. It’s a relatively inductive thing to assume that if humans get past any great filters we will look upwards for external existential threats by those other civilizations which do not get through, and whose failure may be due to development of tech which could harm us. A fair countermeasure would be to deploy autonomous probes that slowly blanket the galaxy and monitor and destroy threats. It would genuinely surprise me if we are here in 100 years that we wouldn’t have created and deployed such technology as a way to protect our ancestors future from external threats. This only makes sense once all major x-risk is paid down due to manmade technology and natural threats, but once so it seems inevitable this is the next thing our civilization will seek to protect against. My suspicion is that these are real, are inaccessible to us, and always will be, at least until we get close to any kind of galaxy-level x-risk technology like AGI. At which point, we will either be wiped out or will be warned. It’s actually quite a boring explanation since it doesn’t require too many leaps of logic, doesn’t break any laws of physics, and leaves us potentially alone in the present day universe (the origin of these may be long gone.)
- sy229 7y agoThis video shows the uncensored HUD from an FA-14, along with showing it's capabilities in automatically tracking fast moving objects. THIS is the reason why the video should not have been released.
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- wavefunction 7y agounidentified flying objects are definitely unidentified flying objects, an anonymous source at the US Navy reports
- IAmGraydon 7y agoWhat I do consistently see uniting all of these articles is Tom Delonge and TTSA, which has a big “Invest” button up at the top of their website. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to marketing in 2019. Looks like Tom Delonge is operating some kind of quirky investment scam. Next up, a Blink 182 reunion tour.
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- joshschreuder 7y agoblink-182 has been reunited since 2009, though without DeLonge since 2015.
- kfrzcode 7y agoNah, it's an Angels & Airwaves tour. His band, known as AvA has been around for more than a decade. He's been working this whole media conglomerate for many many years, and this is just another part of it, IMO. If you're interested in actually funding research in extraterrestrial life, donate to SETI - https://www.seti.org/donate https://www.seti.org/donate
- typeformer 7y agoYou don't get it, there is a huge race to commercialize these very real ET technologies and the private black budget defense sector has a massive head start. Tom has the first public fund going, wait till venture capital gets their teeth into this!
- NateEag 7y agoTime for me to burn some karma. What evidence do we have that these phenomena are strictly natural? There are some ingenious explanations in this thread of how you could create something like this effect with known technology. If we don't a priori eliminate it on the grounds it is impossible (as a Christian, I do not, but many here do), I imagine that supernatural beings trolling humans (especially modern scientific reductionists) could look a lot like this and is also a plausible explanation. If you have a grudge against the concept of the supernatural, maybe think of it as "graduate students got drunk and starting messing with the Earth-universe simulation".
- krapp 7y ago>What evidence do we have that these phenomena are strictly natural? Well... natural phenomena are the only phenomena for which evidence exists at all. That's why the Bible says faith is the evidence of things unseen, as opposed to data.
- NateEag 7y agoThat sounds like circular reasoning to me - you seem to be saying that if we can observe something it must therefore be entirely natural. That doesn't follow, though. The obvious example would be that if Jesus actually rose from the dead by a miracle, then people who were present could see him and put their hands on his scars. Is the supernatural inherently not scientifically testable? Absolutely. It does not follow that it could never be observed at all, if it exists.
- krapp 7y ago> That sounds like circular reasoning to me - you seem to be saying that if we can observe something it must therefore be entirely natural. I'm saying that we have yet to have observe something which can be proven to be supernatural. Asking whether evidence exists that a phenomenon is strictly natural presumes there exists evidence of something other than nature to classify against. As yet, such evidence to the contrary doesn't exist, so for the time being, all evidence of any phenomenon is of its natural state by definition. >It does not follow that it could never be observed at all, if it exists. The unfortunate paradox of needing to provide evidence of the supernatural is that any such evidence would, by definition, need to be natural, and would contradict the premise. So if it can be observed to begin with, that's evidence that it isn't supernatural.
- ComplexSystems 7y agoAs a mundane note, what is the reason that the audio quality in this video is so poor? It sounds like they're using walkie talkies from the 1970s. How can the US military, which spends more money than anyone else, have Navy pilots using heavily distorted audio communication systems that aren't even as good as a standard cell phone?
- nullc 7y agoHow well do you think a cell phone works out in the middle of the ocean? I don't know anything about the particular system in use there, but the military has communications that can send voice from anywhere in the world without ground infrastructure in the presence of jamming, it also has systems that avoid emissions that could be used to target weapons .... coverage area, jamming resistance, covertness are all important qualities which can be traded off against audio quality. Good training can make audio which is barely recognizable perfectly intelligible. I thought that audio sounded pretty decent, in fact.
- sneak 7y agoPractical voice comms do not require very high fidelity or resolution, so there is little reason to spend resources increasing the quality beyond the threshold of intelligibility. It works and works well. What point would an upgrade serve? They aren’t singing through it.
- acchow 7y agoSo that you can actually hear what the other person is saying
- one2know 7y agoThe audio overdub is fake is a likely explanation.
- geomark 7y agoI watched Joe Rogan interview Bob Lazar [1] which seemed mind blowing if everything he said was true. But then I went and researched it and seems more likely he came up with some fantastic stories to keep himself out of prison after he got caught taking a bunch of friends up to the mountains to watch some classified experiements of a particle beam device. It's not my field of study, but some opinions I read were that the government is developing, not offensive weapons, but devices to confuse enemy sesors (radar, FLIR and visible light sensors, including human eyes). They claimed that a beam of charged particles could be focused such that it would create a glowing ball of plasma(?) at a distance and sensors would interpret is a craft of some sort. Since it is a particle beam it can be moved around in ways no solid object could. So these things are tests of this particle beam confuser, not alien spacecraft. I dunno. With my limited understanding is seems more likely. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEWz4SXfyCQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEWz4SXfyCQ
- akhilcacharya 7y agoThe idea that it’s a guinea pig test of a submarine directed anti-FLIR system is the only plausible explanation to me. But again Lazar has been a crank for decades (I think the first reference to an alien at Area 51 named Elvis is from him, later popularized in Perfect Dark), so even that theory is a bit out there.
- Pyxl101 7y agoI'm pretty skeptical of Lazar. See this article for an investigative counterpoint of many of his claims: https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/looking-at-the-bob-lazar-story-from-the-perspective-of-2018/ https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strang... > A last item for your consideration to assess Lazar’s veracity is his academic background. He claims Masters degrees from BOTH Caltech and MIT in subjects they don’t offer and during time periods he couldn’t have physically been at either campus. In response to questions at the “Ultimate UFO Seminar” in Rachael, NV in May of 1993, Lazar was so kind as to offer up the names of two of his instructors at Caltech and MIT, a “Dr. Duxler” as well as “Hohsfield”. He even spelled them. Stan Friedman told me he went searching for Duxler and no such person ever taught at Caltech or MIT. However he did find a William Duxler who taught Math and Physics at the previously mentioned Pierce College and confirmed to Friedman that Lazar had taken at least one of his courses in the 1970s. > As for finding Hohsfield, Friedman rolled snake eyes, beyond confirming no one by that name ever taught at Caltech or MIT. However did you know that in this amazing 21st Century you can buy reprints of all sorts of old high school yearbooks? Like, for example, the 1976 yearbook for W. Tresper Clarke High School? And if one were to do so, one would find that there was a Technical and Vocational teacher there by the name of Frederick Hohsfield. Looks like he was teaching electronics. Interesting, no? Falsely claiming academic degrees is all by itself extremely damaging to his credibility. According to Wikipedia: > Lazar claims that his academic records were erased in an effort by authorities to discredit him https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lazar#Education_and_qualifications https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lazar#Education_and_qualif... Even if his academic records were erased, it should be easy to identify professors who had him in their class, or classmates who attended with him. If Lazar was willing to prove his claims, he could provide the name of a classmate or professor who did verifiably attend either institution, and who is willing to name Lazar as a student. Applying Occam's Razor to the situation is not favorable to Lazar.
- sabujp 7y agoso those definitely weren't missles, no afterburners, no wake.
- pokstad 7y agoSounds like the equivalent of a cat chasing a laser pointer. What if this is an artifact of a space based weapon pointing at various points on the ocean?
- anon234345566 7y agoLots of people like to think about alien vessels, UFOs, in a positive light. But very few though about how would world powers would actually react to dangerous aliens, like something that could just drill into your advanced air defenses without leaving any trace all available sensors. One possible outcome could be just to agree to keep their presence under plausible deniability, just till something lands somewhere infront thousands of witnesses (considering our simulated scenario, based in the current situation, "very public" actions are not the alien's playbook). The other obvious outcome should be to precisely coordinate military presence in the planet, trying to cover any territory with some kind of military response - the ASAP one+highly guarded airspace close to key infrastructure/cities in the planet - in case of detections / ingress of UFOs. Kind of obvious, you would need to agree with ALL the players, Russian Fed, China, India, and a dozen more. The nuclear players with missiles capable of targetting stuff in low orbits should be the premium resources, Space related industry should be developed at accelerated pace, and attempts to reach close things in the solar system would be at some point almost a monthly thing. There are a tons of ones, many which you won't find in any scifi book, because the scenario where you just watch UFOs (IF you can detect them), trying to do something on the planet without knowing WTF is going on for decades is not a compelling base for anything entertaining
- arrakeen 7y agothe new york times had an article a few years back that touched on the issue of what might happen when we do make extra terrestrial contact: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/28/magazine/greetings-et-please-dont-murder-us.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/28/magazine/greetings-et-ple...
- narrator 7y agoMy apologies in advance to any Stone Age Tribesmen in the audience or those otherwise triggered by this analogy: Meanwhile on Totally Isolated Uncontacted Stone Age tribe of 1940s Hacker News: Chief's Spear Chucking brigade confirms through song and ritual dance reenacment that they actually saw a thing flying through the air that looked like a very large bird, but appeared to be made of some form of advanced stone technology and had unusual round things on it that the great elders who first came up with breaking rocks to make them into sharp things imagine could be used, in the far distant future, to move large loads around with relative ease compared to current methods. Posters on Stone Age Tribe Hacker News say that this is actually a trick by monkey spirit, a large bird, or possibly some sort of advanced flying machine that great elder came up with that's made from bird feathers and shiny rocks that he's not telling us about, the idea that other people besides our little tribe could be inhabiting the earth being completely ludicrous.
- cryptozeus 7y agoIsn’t that something that these sightings are always seen by USA pilots or military!
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- djsumdog 7y agoBefore he passed away in the early 2000s, Peter Jennings did a really good documentary on UFOs called Seeing is Believing. It's one of the most comprehensive and least weird/edge/conspiracy documentaries for its time and it's still interesting today. He goes into how pilots saw many unidentified objects going back several decades. I think there are a lot of people who acknowledged these sightings do exist, but there has to be some explanation; some natural phenomenon we haven't identified and discovered.
- einpoklum 7y agoIf ultra-advanced space aliens can hide large spacecraft from the Earth's population, and also do whatever it is they do without having a noticeable effect on Humanity, then, well - I say _let them_. Either it's all just a collection of circumstantial mis-understandings and mis-interpretations, or at some point they'll do something we notice. Just don't worry about it. Remember civilization is in grave danger regardless of that from global warming, running out of non-renewable resources, and last but not least nuclear war. Try to focus on making sure the aliens still have people to mess with...
- mrhappyunhappy 7y agoI read somewhere that it's much easier to convince people of conspiracy theories once they have doubt in one. It is my theory that the UFO phenomenon is a means of injecting doubt into people's minds to make them a bit paranoid and question the reality of things. Once they believe something is going on or have doubts, it's easier to sell them on other half truths, lies and conspiracy theories. I have no proof of this but I suspect a vast majority of ultra conservative voters exhibit mental frameworks of people who believe in conspiracy theories. UFO coverage could be means of creating doubt and reinforcing conservative behavior. In short - it's a play to create, recruit and retain the ultra conservatives for the sole purpose of voting. Of course I realize the irony of my statement considering this in itself sounds like a woowoo conspiracy theory.
- ulisesrmzroche 7y agoY’all, UFOS aren’t fucking stupid Obviously their tech is vastly superior to ours, except for cloaking and espionage?
- methodover 7y agoReposting my comment from yet another HN post on these pretty mundane videos. Gofast is just a weather balloon. https://youtu.be/PLyEO0jNt6M https://youtu.be/PLyEO0jNt6M Gimbal is a jet. The perceived rotation is an artifact of the camera rotating on a gimbal. https://youtu.be/4X1PRDbtiF0 https://youtu.be/4X1PRDbtiF0 Nimitz is also a jet. It’s far away, and blurry. https://youtu.be/s1oTg0kxzDs https://youtu.be/s1oTg0kxzDs It would be really cool if these were alien spaceships. They’re likely not.