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A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]
- RandomBacon 7y agoTheir mirrors are forcing my mobile browser to open the video file instead of downloading it. That's not very helpful. I'm surprised they didn't offer a torrent for the video, that would actually help me (and help them on costs/mirroring). EDIT: Another user provided the solution: press-and-hold/long-tap the video in the new tab to get an option to download.
- snazz 7y agoIt immediately starts playing for me when I press the download button (Safari on iOS), with the amount downloaded showing in the bar at the bottom like YouTube (edit: and saving it to iCloud Drive through the share sheet works as intended).
- RandomBacon 7y agoI'm not talking about loading/caching, I'm talking about downloading to watch offline later.
- ilikehurdles 7y agoWhat browser are you on? Safari -> hold touch over link -> Share.. -> Save to files. Or click the video to start playing it and then hit the share -> save to files.
- RandomBacon 7y agoFirefox on Android
- xfhtjxfhj 7y agolet the player open, long tap on the video, click save video
- RandomBacon 7y agoThank you!
- CalRobert 7y agowget https://mirror.eu.oneandone.net/projects/media.ccc.de//events/camp2019/h264-hd/camp19-10238-eng-A_mobile_phone_that_respects_your_freedom.mp4 https://mirror.eu.oneandone.net/projects/media.ccc.de//event... should do the trick
- unknown2374 7y agoHe is on mobile ^
- CalRobert 7y agoHmm... if they're on Android there are apps in Fdroid or Play Store that let you download arbitrary files. Kind of annoying Firefox doesn't have that function
- red369 7y agoSince this is an article about an Android phone, I realise giving an iOS solution for this may not be that helpful. For anyone using iOS, the Apple Shortcuts app has an action "Get Contents of URL". You can use this to make a shortcut to save the contents of any URL similar to using wget. I often find this useful, and highly recommend the Shortcuts app in general. It's not perfect, but helps add missing functionality. Been a while since I used Android regularly, but there will be a similar (easier) method for a shortcut to download the contents of a URL.
- zapzupnz 7y agoIn iOS 13, due to release next month, one will be able to simply tap-and-hold on a link, then choose to download the file. Safari on iOS will finally include a download manager just like the one on macOS.
- ramshorns 7y agoIt's actually an article about a GNU/Linux phone, not Android.
- rnestler 7y ago
- rasz 7y agoLast years camp had a 500Gbps uplink, somehow I dont think they are struggling.
- antsoul 7y ago101 videos from the CCC 2019 ? This is a good day.
- rrix2 7y agoCCCamp was last week, I believe.
- mobilemidget 7y agoI surely hope you are not going to watch them all in one binge... :-)
- gnode 7y agoThe phone is relatively thick compared to typical modern smartphones, which I assume is primary due to the separation of the cellular radio onto an M.2 card. I wonder whether it would have been possible to avoid this by putting the M.2 card to the side of the mainboard with an edge-to-edge connector, or re-embedding the components into the mainboard. I imagine flattening out the design would also help to distribute heat.
- VectorLock 7y agoI wonder if they used an off the shelf cellular radio on m.2 card or maybe if they're planning on making it available separately which would be sweet. Edit: I see the dev kit uses a 3rd party modem, not sure if the final production Librem 5 phone will as well. It looks like the website for the modem they're using that they link from the Purism dev kit page is broken as well.
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- batoure 7y agoThe phone also has a removable battery (if I remember correctly), removable batteries require a stable frame to keep them from rattling in the main phone body this typically adds significantly to the bulk of the phone.
- kd3 7y agoExcellent talk. I can't wait for this phone (Librem 5) to be available. Only wish the specs were slightly better (higher screen rez for ex). But the privacy and security features more than make up for that.
- noja 7y agoI can't see it working unless they support WhatsApp and friends. No network effect means it will die. Unfortunately.
- xvector 7y agoI don't think this phone was built for the masses. It's a boutique device offering functionality for a tiny niche audience.
- flattone 7y agoit's a great step toward chipping away at the sad stuff everyone currently pays for
- eximius 7y agoIf I can install Signal or use bridges in the Matrix client, I don't see that being a problem.
- mattl 7y agoThere’s a WhatsApp bridge?
- blacksmith_tb 7y agoI haven't tried it, but it looks like it[1]! 1: https://matrix.org/bridges#whats-app https://matrix.org/bridges#whats-app
- spondyl 7y ago
- racont 7y agoReddit discussion on this topic: https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/cje7vg/dont_use_pureos_or_the_librem_5/ https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/cje7vg/dont_use_pu...
- RandomBacon 7y agoNot exactly on this topic as it appears to be a hit-piece about the company making the phone. There's been a few hit-piece comments here on HN made by new accounts on other Librem 5 posts too. Anyway, I'm not an expert about most of that stuff, but they wrote: > They aren't shipping firmware updates. Uh... the phone hasn't even been released yet!
- detaro 7y agoThey have ensured by design that what remains of proprietary firmware on the phone can't be updated, because they want a FSF Free hardware certification, and that's the only way to get that and have non-free firmware components. Not updateable non-free firmware is tolerated as being "part of the hardware" in a way, updateable firmware is software and required to be open.
- RandomBacon 7y agoWhich proprietary firmware?
- detaro 7y agoParts of the memory interface have been mentioned previously: https://puri.sm/posts/librem5-solving-the-first-fsf-ryf-hurdle/ https://puri.sm/posts/librem5-solving-the-first-fsf-ryf-hurd... Similarly, they seem to have choosen the Wifi and Bluetooth chips as well because they have no downloadable firmware, and the isolation for the baseband probably ensures the same there: https://puri.sm/posts/librem5-2018-09-hardware-report/ https://puri.sm/posts/librem5-2018-09-hardware-report/ If those would have meaningful updates is a good question, and clearly it only applies to some of the firmware, but I suspect that's what the exagerated original claim is based on.
- balaksakrionon 7y agoi hope it materializes; i try to avoid pre-ordering but the quality of their tech updates and blog posts, along with this talk have nudged me into ordering. thanks for the work you are doing Purism
- balaksakrionon 7y agoso how do you get a phone number for this phone, do you just buy service / sim card from a regular carrier and then plop it in or what?
- chacha2 7y agoNever bought a phone outside of a contract?
- balaksakrionon 7y agoi suppose not, so how does it work?
- RL_Quine 7y agoYou just buy a SIM. Nothing special about it.
- balaksakrionon 7y agoand do you have to pay for service from a cell phone company for the voice calls?
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- Rychard 7y agoWhen you pay for cellular service, you get a SIM card, which contains everything the phone needs for connecting to the cellular provider's network. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIM_card https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIM_card
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- fungi 7y agoyes, pre-paid or plan. prepaid = go to quick-e-mart and by recharge/credit when needed. plan = set up payment details through web portal or over the phone.
- schaefer 7y agoThe pentagram at the bottom left of the video is an instant deal-breaker for millions of regular folks... being aware of social sensitivities is a big part of being successful for projects that aim for broad adoption.
- Teever 7y agoIf the star in the bottom corner was a Star of David instead of a pentagram and you said the exact same thing what do you think the response should be?
- mieseratte 7y agoThe same thing? If you want mass appeal you must appeal to the masses. Using loaded symbology is a good way to torch your hard work.
- xvector 7y agoClearly, this phone is not intended for mass appeal, so I don't think this is an issue :)
- dkersten 7y agoIf you check their website, the symbol isn’t anywhere to be seen (at least, I couldn’t find it)m so its clearly for the CCC talk only. CCC talks aren’t exactly meant for “mass appeal”.
- inflatableDodo 7y agoSo that explains why religion, rock music and the dollar never became particularly popular. I did wonder.
- sundbry 7y agoNot to mention her dress code. Completely mindless of her appearance. If you're going to talk in front of a crowd maybe look the part? If I were here boss I'd be pissed she's representing the company like that.
- OrgNet 7y agoWith all those hardware switches, would adding one more for locking the bootloader be a good idea to increase security?
- 0xdeadb00f 7y agoWhat would realistically be the point of that? Doest that defeat the purpose of "locking" a bootloader, if it can be unlocked with a hardware switch?
- vel0city 7y agoI mostly dislike operating devices with unlocked bootloaders because the boot process can then possibly be changed without my knowledge. Ensuring the boot process cannot change without a massive error being thrown helps ensure security of my device. However, it would be nice to easily disable the bootloader lock, make the changes I want, and then just hit a switch and it commits the latest changes. If anything changes in the boot process from the first way it experienced after the physical toggle, refuse to boot until I physically do something about it.
- Tepix 7y agoIt could protect you against a rootkit.
- infectedbyNSA 7y agoHi, I have firmware rootkits (I think they hide on hdds, nics, etc) So if you can help me I could pay you (a little) with criptocurrencies. Email me please nais.thc at gmail.com
- slim 7y agoor even better : a bios rom
- jstanley 7y agoSkip to 20:06 to see the first public images of the actual PCBs that are going to be going into phones! I'll still be flabbergasted if they actually manage to ship phones within the next 34 days, but they haven't yet admitted that the shipping date will have to change. EDIT: At the end, the speaker briefly tries to demo the devkit, only to find that it has inexplicably turned off, and she states "it's pretty hot -- power management is still an area we have to work on". I can't wait to receive my Librem 5, but there is no way this is shipping Q3 this year.
- batoure 7y agoOne of the things I have started to feel as I read their recent design posts is that the phone will ship but be described as in a basic dev state and not ready for consumer use. I have written and seen written several posts on twitter at purism that have consistently been replied to as recently as last week saying that pre-orders are still on track to ship before end of Q3. It makes me feel like the hardware is ready and built and they are working through software management issues like power management before a launch date.
- hedora 7y agoThe same thing happened with Openmoko. Neither company focused on a single UI stack, and (last I checked with purism) instead shipped 3+ semi-working UI demos (gtk, qt and enlightenment). If they focused on one stack, they’d be much more likely to ship solid product, which would lead to revenue. That would give them runway to build support for a bigger ecosystem.
- em-bee 7y agoi can't agree enough. i got an openmoko second hand after a friend who got it gave up on it because he couldn't use the device for actual phonecalls and messaging. he was very frustrated and disappointed. i managed, after trying a few stacks to find one that mostly worked (it was the qt one). i am now using /e/ which tries to add more privacy to lineageOS, and they manage to produce a much more polished experience than raw lineageOS. it makes a huge difference. things that i was struggling with on lineageOS, like searching addresses and getting directions suddenly work out of the box and if anyone asks for recommendations for a privacy oriented phone i'd point them to the models that e.foundation sells with /e/ preinstalled. i do hope that someday i'll be able to recommend a purism model too.
- rashthedude 7y agoKabelsalat ist gesund.
- juliemao 7y agoEntschuldigung, was?
- de_watcher 7y agoHow does it compare to UbuntuPhone?
- batoure 7y agoit has been said various places that the hardware will be able to run Ubuntu Phone. That being said I would guess they are behind Ubuntu Phone in polish but that as a company that has already built a number of FOSS hardware devices they are probably in better shape at a lower system level.
- rvijapurapu 7y agoIf you want true freedom, get a Nokia 8110 - I felt a weight off my shoulder using the device. Atleast for the week I've used the device. Then, life caught on. You can't manage kids' activities, work schedules and your social life without a smartphone these days.
- raxxorrax 7y agoBeyond this model, Nokia builds amazing phones lately. They don't have the best specs so they are only average in tests, but I don't think those are focusing on things that are important, to me at least. They have really good update policies and their Android version is very clean.
- cesnja 7y agoOTOH, beware of who's accessing your data [1]. There was more than one incident, if I recall correctly. [1] https://www.zdnet.com/article/nokia-firmware-blunder-sent-some-user-data-to-china/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/nokia-firmware-blunder-sent-so...
- rvense 7y agoIn my city you can't park your car in a lot of places with a an app that's only available in the Apple and Google app stores. Over the past few years cash payments between people have been replaced by something that's also only available as an iPhone or Android app. I'm sure there are other things. The next iteration of our government's single-sign-on solution will probably also been an app, at which point owning a smartphone will in essence become a legal requirement.
- stinos 7y agoYou can't manage kids' activities, work schedules and your social life without a smartphone these days. May I ask where you live? Or did you mean 'without a computer'? Works perfectly for me in Western Europe.
- maccard 7y ago
- Tepix 7y agoObligatory mention of PinePhone which ● has a very similar CPU (but at 1.152Ghz instead of 1.5Ghz), ● also runs free software, ● also has hardware kill switches, ● also has USB C with video out ● has less memory (2GB vs 3GB) and ● has a similar screen size and same resolution (720x1440) ● has a 2MP / 5MP front/back cameras (vs 8MP / 13MP w/ LED flash) ● will cost only 150€ (vs $699 - was $599) https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/ https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/
- batoure 7y agoThis project is clearly still super early days but looks very cool. It feels to me like these phones have very different audiences.
- wryun 7y agoThey've already shipped dev kits (like Purism), and they're building on a platform they already understand (previous ARM boards). They've also made what I think is the sensible decision to focus on producing open hardware, and leave the problem of software to the community. Why do you say they have different audiences?
- 0xdeadb00f 7y ago> Why do you say they have different audiences? > They've also made what I think is the sensible decision to focus on producing open hardware, and leave the problem of software to the community. That ^ is my guess.
- ilaksh 7y agoHow do they ensure that this modem (Gemalto PLS8 3G/4G) is truly respectful of your freedom?
- batoure 7y agoprobably failing to explain this with total accuracy but any chip on the board for which they don't have 100% control of the firmware runs through in isolation through a proxy. The talk mentions the modem firmware as well as some initialization firmware for the DDR4 as being specific problem areas that they had to isolate.
- collyw 7y ago"What do you need to build a phone?" The answer forgot to mention software. That was the main problem with the Ubuntu phone.
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