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One thing that is super impressive about these protests (other than the sheer number of people) is the lack of looting, violence etc (not counting police violen

One thing that is super impressive about these protests (other than the sheer number of people) is the lack of looting, violence etc (not counting police violence on unarmed people). Very very impressive. Compare this with French riots etc in recent years - night and day!

chii 7y ago
I actually expect that a lot of violence and such are false flag operations, designed to taint the image of the protesters.
- adventured 7y ago
  Given what we've seen there with the planted triad attacks, it would make perfect sense that they would infiltrate and stage violence as well. That's a tactic that has been used even in liberal democracies in the past when dealing with rampant protests.
Aeolun 7y ago
I think this is partially because the French are certain their police won’t excessively go to town on them even when they are looting/pillaging. The same thing does not apply in HK I think.
- justaguyhere 7y ago
  I guess you missed all the news about excessive use of force by the French police during the riots, and the insane show of force by the French police on the volunteers (many of whom are French nationals btw) helping immigrants? French police are not exactly a beacon of friendship. You can twist this however you want - you still can't take away the fact that HK protesters seem much nicer, better organized and well behaved. And no, I have nothing to do with China/HK, never been there etc. I am just an impartial observer impressed with the HK protesters, thats all.
bharath_bhushan 7y ago
One possible factor in the French riots is immigrants, for example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_French_riots#Context https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_French_riots#Context. This is not a problem in HK and very tightly controlled in China. Also the same factor could be important in other mass crimes, for example, https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046.

chii 7y ago

I actually expect that a lot of violence and such are false flag operations, designed to taint the image of the protesters.

adventured 7y ago
Given what we've seen there with the planted triad attacks, it would make perfect sense that they would infiltrate and stage violence as well. That's a tactic that has been used even in liberal democracies in the past when dealing with rampant protests.

Aeolun 7y ago

I think this is partially because the French are certain their police won’t excessively go to town on them even when they are looting/pillaging. The same thing does not apply in HK I think.

justaguyhere 7y ago
I guess you missed all the news about excessive use of force by the French police during the riots, and the insane show of force by the French police on the volunteers (many of whom are French nationals btw) helping immigrants? French police are not exactly a beacon of friendship. You can twist this however you want - you still can't take away the fact that HK protesters seem much nicer, better organized and well behaved. And no, I have nothing to do with China/HK, never been there etc. I am just an impartial observer impressed with the HK protesters, thats all.

bharath_bhushan 7y ago

One possible factor in the French riots is immigrants, for example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_French_riots#Context https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_French_riots#Context. This is not a problem in HK and very tightly controlled in China. Also the same factor could be important in other mass crimes, for example, https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046.