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Insect Apocalypse German Bug Watchers Sound Alarm
- _pmf_ 7y agoEnvironmental fear mongering is the easiest way to get research grants in Germany.
- VvR-Ox 7y agoSo you think this is just fear mongering? I don't. Others think this is alarming as well: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/feb/10/plummeting-insect-numbers-threaten-collapse-of-nature https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/feb/10/plummeti... https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/2019/02/why-insect-populations-are-plummeting-and-why-it-matters/ https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/2019/02/why-insec... https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2018/10/15/hyperalarming-study-shows-massive-insect-loss/?utm_term=.f591673d5ba5 https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2018/10/15/hyperalarm...
- rimliu 7y agoHow much stuff do you see in newspapers that is not alarming anyway?
- VvR-Ox 7y agoA lot, especially in the US newspapers. On the other hand the articles I linked to, contain serious science backed claims. Also I don't see much value for someone to increase fear of a mass extinction of insects. If a newspaper tries to increase the fear of migrants coming to your country on the other hand it helps the weapons dealers (people get more guns) and others. So why should they somehow use this fear instead of just telling what they do - that insects are going to go mass extinct?
- bandushrew 7y agoYour comment is so weird, and I see this more and more on the internet. In that article there is evidence gathered by people over a 20 year period, its an amazing effort which in many ways represents the very best that science has to offer. We have no reason on the face of it to doubt their evidence. You have dismissed it in 20 seconds with a casual smear and no evidence whatsoever. Is it perfect and guaranteed to be accurate? beats me, but its a pretty convincing show by some obviously passionate people who love their insects, and yours is a pretty unconvincing effort. Shame on you.
- crispinb 7y agoI quite enjoyed Robert Wright's interview with Lee McIntyre about his new book The Scientific Attitude (https://meaningoflife.tv/videos/41931 https://meaningoflife.tv/videos/41931). It has much to say about this particular contemporary strand of of anti-scientism. It's so deeply non-rational that there's not much we can do other than to ignore it until it goes away, or consigns itself to becoming a marginal Flat Earther style phenomenon.
- vixen99 7y agoDoubtless you're spot on but it would be so nice to actually get to see the comment you're shaming.
- UnFleshedOne 7y agoJust turn on that option in the settings somewhere, then walk around spookily saying "I can see dead comments".
- adrianN 7y agoAnybody can do a little bit to help insects. It ranges from planting a pot of some flowers, to building an insect hotel, to switching to a more natural lawn or talking to your city council to replace parts of the lawns in parks with more insect friendly meadows. However, I don't see how I as consumer can choose agricultural products that are friendlier to insects. Organic agriculture also uses pesticides and monocultures. Reducing one's meat intake is always a good idea, but other than that how can I judge the impact my food choices have on biodiversity?
- arethuza 7y agoLocal councils in England are reducing the amount of grass cutting they do on verges of roads - so more flowers (presumably good for insects) and cheaper! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-48772448 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-48772448
- ahje 7y ago> Reducing one's meat intake is always a good idea Actually, areas used for grazing usually have more diversity, more flowers and thereby more insects, compared to something like a similarly sized wheat field.
- perfunctory 7y agoUnfortunately most meat does not come from grazing animals. And if we were to convert the whole meat industry into grazing we wouldn't be able to produce meat in the same quantity, which would mean exactly reduced meat intake for everyone.
- paulintrognon 7y agoIt's crazy how disconnected from nature we have become to not notice in our everyday life an extinction event happening at this very moment.
- ephaeton 7y agoI think it's more an issue of awareness. I do remember walking across a lawn in my childhood, and I do remember having to watch out not to step on any bees etc., as they were legion. Nowadays, I am happy to see a few bees around. I think we are just too "busy" to step back, open our eyes and actually watch the world we live in.
- sametmax 7y agoSome of us are noticing. I was discussing last year with my friends and family how clean your bikes helmets and cars windshields were compared to 20 years ago: no insect on it. It's just that people carry on. They don't build their life. They don't make conscious choices, orientate their actions or try to think about the society they live it. They just go through it, going from one small short term objective to another, most of the time motivated by a small pleasure or to avoid pain. That is why people get fat, get stuck in traffic going to a job they don't like, going back to TV eating unhealthy food and indulging some kind of addiction. Believe it or not this is also a big cause of couples staying together, marrying, making children. Not the grand idea of love. Inertia. Status quo.
- lm28469 7y agoNature doesn't exists in the modern city, I wouldn't even be surprised if some people born after 2000 haven't seen stars in their entire life. It's like when you have to do your homework but postpone it until the very last moment. Your profs tell you to work, your parents too, even your friends, and you know deep down that you're wrong, but you don't give a shit until you get the grade and think "if only I ...". First world countries won't wake up until it gets bad (famines, war and mass immigration bad), until then it's just insects, birds and slightly warmer climate, surely people have bigger problems in their daily lives ... https://timeline.com/los-angeles-light-pollution-ebd60d5acd43 https://timeline.com/los-angeles-light-pollution-ebd60d5acd4...
- alobat72 7y agoI just know : my mom has a garden and in winter she used to feed the birds. Since 2 or 3 years the birds are not stopping eating this food when spring comes - my mom now feeds the birds all year. At the same time insect have become noticeably fewer
- sametmax 7y agoYour comment and this article are the first I noticed mentioning the birds as a second indicator. It means the cascade has started. Somewhere else, it's probably already acting as well: the soil, the plants, or stuff we don't know about.
- tuco86 7y agoI noticed last year and this year again when i drove ~800 km to a vacation. 10-20 years ago i had to wipe loads of sticky insect parts of my windshield. Not necessary anymore. I'd guess back then my windshield whould have caught ~200 bugs/hour and now it's more like ~10. So my highly subjective statistic says: insects are fucked and maybe so are we.
- lightgreen 7y agoMaybe your modern car windshield glass is less sticky. Maybe your modern car aerodynamics is better and insects just fly around. The problem may or may not exist, but your subjective statistic tells nothing.
- bmurphy1976 7y agoThere's plenty of proof it's true if you bothered to look. Here's but one example: https://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/blogs/why-are-fireflies-disappearing https://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/blogs/why-are-fire... https://www.firefly.org/why-are-fireflies-disappearing.html https://www.firefly.org/why-are-fireflies-disappearing.html Something which I've also anecdotally noticed long before I researched it to confirm it's not my imagination. You can see it in action at my cousin's farm. Their prairie is a hive of activity and lights at night. The neighboring soy farm is dead.
- UglycupRawky 7y agoThis one scares me. No one seems to be doing anything about it, and the results could be massive.
- vages 7y agoI wish that articles like these could end with at least some point of action that I could take to improve the situation. If the public should act, give them something actionable: Calling their local council, joining an organization, not cutting your lawn, whatever. As anyone's who's been trained in crowd control during emergencies knows, you don't just sound alarm without at the same time telling people what to do. Journalists should take at least some kind of the same responsibility. Otherwise, people will either panic or stop listening.
- sametmax 7y agoJust because you can report a problem doesn't mean you have a solution. That doesn't mean the problem is not worth reporting. I haven't seen panic. People can't stop listening since they haven't even started. Most people don't know about this, don't care, or can't see the big picture. But repeating works. We know it works, because that's how TV ads work. So I'm all OK with repeating that again, and again. People getting tired of it ? Meh, they still watch TV after the 1876th coca cola ad. And then they go buy soda. I'll take the chance of repeating a wholesome message.
- lugg 7y agoIt's more complicated than this. I listened, I cared, for years. Then I stopped. How can I continue caring when everyone around me exploits the way things are and gets ahead because of it? What we need is a mass awakening. We need everyone to care at the same time to see anything change. We won't act unless we have role models acting before our very eyes. We won't act untile there is a problem directly in front of us. Until that time you may count on the status quo continuuing.
- coldtea 7y ago>It's more complicated than this. I listened, I cared, for years. Then I stopped. How can I continue caring when everyone around me exploits the way things are and gets ahead because of it? Through the magic of principles? Life should not be about getting ahead, but about doing what's right.
- emmelaich 7y agoThis worries me way more than warming itself.
- malicioususer11 7y agowho would have thought that ichthyology could be so sexy?? :3
- Ensorceled 7y agoMy large, extended family, notes this every year when we go to our family reunions in Northern Ontario: each year, our cars have fewer bugs than the previous year. We've had the family reunion the same July weekend for 45 years now and our cars and trucks used to be just plastered with insects. Now there may be none at all.
- Kaiyou 7y agoCan someone explain to me why this is a bad thing? We used to go out of our way to kill insects in past decades, presumably because we'd prefer them dead. Now they are dying off and I'm not sure why I should be unhappy about this. What are the bad consequences of this?
- tpetry 7y agoBecause these insects are eaten by other animals which are eaten by other animals which are... You get the point. The food chain can collapse and some animals are doing good things for the environment.
- k_ 7y agoAdd pollination to the equation and we're even more fucked =/
- kingkawn 7y agoInsects also are primary processors of rotting biomass. Without them we will soon find that corpses last longer. They are also the primary source of crop pollination. Without them much of our food won’t be pollinated and reproduce well. We need them.
- DoingIsLearning 7y agoThat's an interesting point. Does that mean that projected times of death based on decomposition (As seen on the pseudo scientific scenes in CSI) could actually be drifting over time due to less decomposition agents? Is their any data to back this hypothesis?
- NikkiA 7y agoAnyone that tells you a time of death beyond about 20 hours is lying. And the estimates below that are usually based on processes that haven't changed (loss of body heat, chemical changes in blood, and bacterial processes in the gut).
- kieckerjan 7y agoNot to sound overly optimistic, but I can imagine that a trend like this is less difficult to reverse than, say, climate change. The scientific consensus about climate change seems to be that even if we can muster the political courage and will and do our darndest, we may already have passed the tipping point and will boil anyway. As to the insect apocalypse: given a fighting chance, life has a way of veering back. This is of course if viable numbers of populations survive and keystone populations have not been extinguished. (Maybe this is just a complicated way of stating that ecological systems work on other timescales than the climate.)
- 3131s 7y agoSpecies loss is irreversible though.
- interfixus 7y agoYou are so right. Insects are mass breeders, and it's common for the numbers of any given species to veer wildly from year to year. We may or may not be seeing a serious setback for insects in general, but given a chance, they will bounce back within a few short generations. And so will their predators, albeit over a longer stretch of time. For what it's worth, nature seems remarkably unperturbed up here a little north of Germany. Some counts up, some counts down. Two years ago, we had mice everywhere, this year hardly any. But then a recent infestation of butterflies, and the bats are doing extraordinarily well this summer, as are the spiders apparently - hardly indicative of any extreme dearth of insects.
- meerita 7y agoIn 1958 Mao Zedong ordered all the sparrows to be killed, as part of the famous Four Pests Campaign (Chinese: 除四害), because they ate too much grain. This caused one of the worst environmental disasters in history. Without birds, the population of insects grew massively and ate most of the plants, grains making one of the one of the causes of the Great Chinese Famine.
- FredrikMeyer 7y agoOff topic, but capitalizing words in titles in English really bothers me. Every word in the title are nouns, but some are here ment to be verbs. In German for example, only the nouns would have been capitalized, making the title much easier to read.
- CalRobert 7y agoIt's the standard (albeit inconsistent and undefined) for headlines, though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_case#Title_case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_case#Title_case
- vectorEQ 7y agoin my country right next to germany, within 'protected' natural areas, insect life declined by as much as 85%. If you have a garden which is friendly to insects you get swarmed as there are literally no other places to go. people need to be aware of this and stop just paving their gardens. create a nice home for some bugs :-) it will be good for your children and their children. So no excuse not to put some flowers outside and keep at least a few insects fed and happy.
- patientplatypus 7y agoDang it you guys, I posted this (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20339865 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20339865) yesterday. Things are getting so bad so rapidly...
- chiefalchemist 7y ago> "Since 1982, the traps we manufacture ourselves have been standardised and controlled, all of the same size and the same material, and they are collected at the same rate in 63 locations that are still identical," explains Sorg. Do I believe that something, likely humans, is doing damage to nature? Yes. However, give the above, I have to ask: couldn't the argument be made that collecting less samples is natural selection at work? That is, the insects that aren't trapped - for whatever reason - will pass those traits on and so on. The survivors breed more survivers. Those that are trapped and die, well so does their DNA.
- pcstl 7y agoThe conclusion that this will lead to the eventual extinction of insects as a whole also does not pass scrutiny. Even if 99% of insects are extinguished, the remaining 1% that are adapted to the new conditions will populate the now-vacant ecological niches and diversify. That's how evolution works.
- rorykoehler 7y agoDepends how fast it happens. Cascading failure/collapse is a real possibility.
- fallingfrog 7y ago63 traps is a statistically insignificant cause of insect death over the area of an entire countryside. Not enough to drive natural selection.
- arrrg 7y agoThat doesn’t really pass scrutiny. It’s not like they are mass collecting insects and it’s not like someone else is using insect traps to mass trap insects. As such there is practically no evolutionary pressure to adapt to not being caught in insect traps. Insect traps are a rare sight for any one insect.
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- fallingfrog 7y agoIs there no pattern at all to the locations where the greatest decrease happened? If it’s pesticides then the traps nearest an active field of crops will show the greatest decrease. It doesn’t sound like they’re finding that. If it was road deaths then it would be near the roads. If it’s temperature then you would expect to see decreases in hot years, increases in cold years. If crawling insects are affected differently than flying ones, that tells you something. If it’s everywhere at once with no pattern whatsoever, well thats just baffling. It would have to do with the composition of the air or maybe the solar cycle or something else that affects everywhere at once.
- splittingTimes 7y agoThe German parliament had two interesting votes last week: (1) Recoginze the ongoing climate catastrophe - propose measure to counter act [1] (2) Stop using coal power stations [2] You can guess how the ruling parties voted. It makes me furious in the light of recent devastating news (No permafrost in Candian arctic, melting Greenland ice, hottest June in Germany since record keeping, Anchorage seeing unprecedented temperatures...) === [1] https://www.bundestag.de/parlament/plenum/abstimmung/abstimmung?id=613 https://www.bundestag.de/parlament/plenum/abstimmung/abstimm... [2] https://www.bundestag.de/parlament/plenum/abstimmung/abstimmung?id=612 https://www.bundestag.de/parlament/plenum/abstimmung/abstimm...
- EGreg 7y agoWhat alarms me even more is that the insect apocalypse is MORE urgent than climate change.
- geggam 7y agoHumans ability to adapt will be tested in the near future I fear. Not only due to tensions among humans but the disasters we are creating in nature.
- mikro2nd 7y agoAnd almost infinitely easier to stop. All we need to do is ban a relatively small number of insecticides and insect populations will rebound in a very small number of years.
- choeger 7y agoYou should probably write up your findings so you can gather a lot of research money and fame. /S If only things were that simple... I am not sure if pesticide usage has increased in Western Europe since the early ninetees. But I am certain that agriculture has been de-intensified as a whole in the former GDR. And it's not an insect paradise here...
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- zw123456 7y agoI thought it was ironic that an advertisement for exterminators came up in the middle of the article. Another triumph for add algos ;)
- haarts 7y agoI'm surprised to read no one seems to know what to do about this. There's a simple thing you can do and that is buying organic produce. Sure, it still uses some pesticides but not all and a lot less (at least in Europe, not sure about the US).
- choeger 7y agoThe intriguing aspect is: This phenomenon is indeed observable everywhere (windshields) yet there is no obvious reason. Pesticide use should have gone down across all of Germany in the last 30 years. So should have general pollution. Warmer weather should actually help insects. Large natural reserves have been created (e.g., former military training grounds, depopulated areas in rural Germany). So either this is caused by an as of now unknown agent, or we see some form of delayed effect.
- jakobdabo 7y ago> unknown agent The only thing that comes to my mind besides the climate change is the increased EMF/RF radiation levels.
- choeger 7y agoYeah, that would fit the timeframe very well.
- terminalhealth 7y agoWouldn't it be easy to find location correlates if this was the case? Strong EMF/RF radiation is rather spatially confined. If it was affecting insects, we should expect negative results in sparsely populated areas.
- Stanish 7y agoInsect lifecycles are highly dependent on what are referred to as "growing degree days". Climate change hasn't just made things hotter, it has made seasonal phases more volatile, meaning it's more possible for things like early emergence of insects to happen more often. As an example, imagine a very hot March, an insect emerges a few weeks early, then is killed off by an April freeze, which it would formerly have avoided. And, maybe it misses the chance to feed on the nectar of a special flower to which it is adapted for similar reasons. It may be warmer, but it isn't just "better for insects". The true picture is much more complicated.
- m23khan 7y agoThe older I get, the more guilty I feel of even squashing an ant in my home -- they are living forms like us and we should be treating them with respect and give them space to thrive as well. And if this means setting up protected reserves for insects and to ban certain types of chemicals then so be it.
- futureastronaut 7y agoIf it's an argentine ant and you're not in that part of the world, you should eradicate with prejudice as they're an invasive species.
- zmix 7y ago"He and an army of volunteers have over the years gathered as many as 80 million insects that are now floating in countless ethanol bottles." Ah, that's where the insects went!
- agentultra 7y agoI'm doing everything I can in my own yard: growing vegetables without pesticides/herbicides, growing wildflowers/natural fauna in the majority of our gardens, etc. And I'm growing sympathy for insects in my children! My daughter is obsessed with ants and we're getting into my childhood hobby of farming ants. Etymology is almost as cool as mycology. I love insects, arachnids, and all of our crawly little friends!
- fencepost 7y agoThis is also easily observed by anyone old enough who drives in the suburbs or rural areas, and it really jumped out at me a decade or more ago. When's the last time you had to clean your windshield of a bunch of dead bugs (or a few large ones)? I remember when every gas fill up also meant using both the mesh sponge side and the squeegee side of a windshield washer, and you knew which gas stations kept those buckets filled and had good squeegees. How long since you used one of those to clean off a filthy windshield, or since you noticed if a gas station has good ones? On a somewhat related note, how long since you had to do the same for bird droppings? And when you're parking at night or walking back to your car, do you have any issues with walking through the huge clouds of bugs around the lights or are there no longer any such clouds? Edit: expanded and mobile corrections
- andrekandre 7y agoi love in tokyo, and when i graduated school in 2011, i used to get bitten every summer like mad by mosquitos, you could see bugs everywhere in the spring and summer for probably the past 5 years i haven’t been bit once, rarely see a mosquito or other bugs... something very strange has has happened in the past 10 years
- carapace 7y agoBrain dump: Reading V. Smil's "Energy and Civilization a History" has made me realize that the Applied Ecology (Permaculture) epoch would be a fundamentally new form of civilization. Cf. Hemenway's lecture: "Permaculture can save Humanity and the Earth but not Civilization" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nLKHYHmPbo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nLKHYHmPbo It's about an hour. Here are some notes I took: He reframes "sustainable" as the midpoint of a spectrum with "degenerative" on one side and "regenerative" on the other and emphasizes regenerative systems. He talks about the length of time we (humans) have been doing "culture" (group activites, pottery, art, singing and music, etc.) and points out that it's roughly a million (1,000,000) years-- and that agriculture has only been happening for about ten thousand years, about 1% of that time. Five culture types based on food getting technology: Foraging Hunter-gatherer Agricultural (cities) Pastoral (Animal herding) Industrial Then follows a great deal of the "dirt" on agriculture. Old hat to those who know it, horrifying and challenging to those who don't. Hemenway sums it up, "Agriculture... ...converts ecosystems into people." (Oil => Food => People) x (Peak Oil) = Hoshit! i.e. we made people out of oil for the last few generations and now we are running out of oil. Could be trouble... Holmgrin's scenarios: - Techno-fantasy (technology saves the day and we pack ourselves in like sardines until something else gives, or spew forth and colonize the galaxy until we reach the expansion limits of our space-drives... Technology doesn't solve the problem, only postpones it.) - Green-tech stable - stabilize population (match growth and death rates) and live within the Solar energy budget while regenerating the Earth. - Graceful decline - (growth rate less than death rate for awhile...) "Earth Stewardship" "Permaculture" I don't know where the people are supposed to have gone. - "Atlantis" - i.e. doom. Personally I think this is the most likely, but I'm okay with being proven wrong on that. "Peak Wood" - no kidding. Peak Oil seems to have happened before with wood instead of oil, and could be responsible for bringing the Bronze Age to a close. Wow. Last but not least, Horticulture to the rescue! All the great things about Permaculture and a Neo-Horticultural society. The video is excellent and I highly recommend it to anyone who is interested in these subjects. https://fertilefuture.blogspot.com/2011/05/toby-hemenway-video.html https://fertilefuture.blogspot.com/2011/05/toby-hemenway-vid... - - - - OMG: Obvious ways that we are out of whack with Nature: Glass windows kill millions of birds. Windshields kill billions of insects. Rain brings out earthworms that then die on the sidewalk. Asphalt covers n% of the Earth and vulcanized rubber particles are continously emitted into the ecosystem. Plastic collecting in the Oceanic Gyres and beaches of the world, as well and in the bellies of animals, and coating and fusing with rock. Gas-burning, noise- and air-polluting leaf blowers that are inherently wasteful (each item is typically blown about 2~5 times before arriving at resting point. Compare to vacuum cleaner.) In fact, all the pollution. Lawns are everywhere. Intrinsically wasteful, deliberately stunted and impoverished ecosystems, massive applications of chemicals. Agriculture. Literally counter-productive: untouched ecosystems are orders of magnitude more productive. Doing nothing is more productive than farming. We wear shoes that insulate us from contact with the Earth (lit. grounding). We do this because we have poured concrete all over everything. Where the meat comes from... And so on. - - - - Part Yay: Humans are Nature's turbo-chargers! We can increase the productivity of natural system by an order of magnitude again over baseline untouched ecosystems. (Example: WPA built miles of massive swales across the western states, and years later (with no maintainence) there are plants and animals there where before there was desert. TODO: look this up.) (Cf. Yeoman's Keyline techniques. Draw water out onto ridges to gte more use out of rainfall. http://www.keyline.com.au/ http://www.keyline.com.au/ ) Broadly speaking we can corrugate terrain and systems to get more surface area and interaction and create more niches and therefore more life. Recall that life exists in the thermodynamic flow from the Sun (and yes, the oceanic heat vents) to ultimately the rest of the sky, and that we are nowhere near the physical limiting factors. It's relatively easy to add niches to an existing garden. Especially if you're able to make modifications! I have a whole DVD about Permaculture water harvesting where they bring in a backhoe to dig out a new little lake and some canals! A one-time expenditure of fossil fuel to make a vast change in the water/energy flows of a local system to ultimately increase the ecological robustness and yield makes sense. And in theory, locally grow alcohol fuel could be used to power land-shaping machines. There is also a possibility to use Bucky Fuller-style Tensgresity (or merely geodesic) structures to create "3D" gardens. With Permaculture techniques you can revitalize salty desert in a few years ("Greening the Desert" Geoff Lawton) and there is plenty of desert. All of the necessary factors are themselves organic and therefore capable of geometric increase. We could green the deserts from Southern CA to Texas and accomodate several hundred million people in an ecologically (climate proof!) way.
- hsudheh 7y agoKeep eating your cow steak who gives a shit.
- SamPatt 7y ago"Unless we change our ways of producing food, insects as a whole will go down the path of extinction in a few decades." This is almost certainly false. The paper released earlier this year only looked at other studies which reported insect populations in decline, a methodology certain to find a problem.
- leeloo_d 7y agoI’m hoping to reach someone who has experienced the same as me. Please reply to this comment. I need to make sense of it all. The ‘bugs’ on the ground that night. They were hovering? I and another were standing right in them. They sounded like buzzing but they were not bees or wasp or fly. They looked transparent/translucent. They did not seem organic or physical since not a trace on either of our shoes. We had them on video. Back then it was my iphone 4 or 5s(hard to remember which). But the video vanished a few days after the incident. I sent it to one other person before that. Till this very day the person still remembers the video but just thinks it was regular bugs. The video did not do much justice but if I had it for a while longer I would have found someone that could have enlarged it and brightened it and made it clearer etc. Please, has anyone experienced the same??? The person that was with me that night never wants to talk about it. They have even lied to others, claiming I was never present during the incident. I have suspicions they are protecting it. I am not afraid!!! I just want to understand!!! God help me! If someone who has experienced the same please reach out to me. I need answers. That video could have been the key to ending this entire thing! The only other time I felt the presence/saw the bugs again was on iphone map app. The entire border of the USA, that red border. I cant look at it again it does something to my eyes i cant really explain it.
- leeloo_d 7y agoThe video of the ‘bugs’ is bigger than money, so I need to know why my hackers did not even care to ‘cash out’ still??? Nothing adds up here. I know I am def missing something here. If someone can help me out please. I have been praying and talking to God and the people I have lost. I really need answers. I really think things will end. This whole thing will end. Something does not feel right. It feels like I am important even when I fight so hard to doubt it. They keep surrounding me like I am meant for something. Why am I important to them???
- leeloo_d 7y agoI’ve been writing in my notes section of my iphone for years about this and these stupid elitist and other celebs and wealthy powerful people have been monitoring me along the way. But they will not mention ANYTHING about it. @bellathorne on instagram posted something about 5 days ago(I have the screen shot in case she removes it but I marked out her ig handle)but I feel she is just mocking me and the entire thing as she sits there selling her latest book an whatnot....
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- leeloo_d 7y agoFBI and CIA are full of crap! Y’all have not approached me about anything that has gone down. Because y’all are some clowns that’s why!