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Not even the Hong Kong protests can get past Chinese censors [video]

68 points by avocado4 7y ago

cosmodisk 7y ago
Just shows how 'great' China is...
- dang 7y ago
  Please don't post unsubstantive comments here. Especially not flamebait.
bhhaskin 7y ago
This is nothing but click bait. Three paragraphs about how searching for Hong Kong in china doesn't return any meaningful results. Pretty much just standard censorship, and nothing about creating an "alternate reality." Also interesting that the OP only seems to post negative stories about China.
- hactually 7y ago
  Did you not watch the video? Please don't lie.
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- beaner 7y ago
  I thought this too but there is an embedded video on the page and I guess maybe that is what's being linked to.
- heraclius 7y ago
  Isn’t the point of “standard censorship” the creation of an alternate reality?
cujic9 7y ago
I've noticed a recent uptick in news promoting the cruelty of China toward its citizens. I struggle to figure out how much is true, and how much is an alternate reality created by my government. (I'm in the USA, and anger towards China definitely benefits the Republican Party / Trump administration.)
- sergiomattei 7y ago
  Not sure why you were downvoted, because this is an interesting thing to note. I don't know who it benefits, but it's important to question everything in this day and age.
  - scarejunba 7y ago
    What if he's a Chinese agent sent here to sow discord?!
    - cujic9 7y ago
      I'm not that clever.
      - scarejunba 7y ago
        I'm not actually accusing you of that, just jokingly exposing that baseless speculation is sort of useless. We're just picking what we want and then rationalizing.
  - helen___keller 7y ago
    For what it's worth, there's a substantial amount of anti-CCP propaganda out there (although I doubt it's straight from US gov but who knows). By propaganda I mean QAnon-tier nonsense. I've had the great pleasure of hearing about it from certain relatives on a semi regular basis. One week you hear that trump will have the CCP dismantled within a month, the next week you hear there's going to be mass starvation in China and we need to call relatives (in mainland China) and tell them to stock up on food while they can. The common theme is that Wang Qishan (not Xi, notably) is some kind of corrupt Boogeyman who controls China, wallstreet, etc etc
beloch 7y ago
I wonder if we're about to see another big wave of emigration from Hong Kong, like the one that occurred in the decade before Britain handed over HK to Chinese control. Anyone who grew up in the 80's/90's in commonwealth countries like Canada probably remembers seeing a lot of new faces from HK in school pretty much every year.
ilaksh 7y ago
This is a whole other level, but there is something somewhat similar going on with news in general in most countries, including the US. People get their information from certain streams. It might be reddit, or Hacker News, or certain subreddits on reddit. Or it could be WhatsApp or Fox News. Or in some cases RSS feeds. Or some particular website. But news streams tend to be attached to certain groups and certain worldviews. And its not the same level as Chinese censorship, but when there is user moderation support, the groups do automatically censor things that contradict their worldviews. From what I can see, just about everyone is living in their own alternate reality that has been tailored to their particular political slant. Here is an example: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/19/asia/viral-photo-hong-kong-protests-trnd/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/19/asia/viral-photo-hong-kon... Some people who were promoting the protests were tweeting a doctored photo that made the protests look larger than they were. Again, that's a completely different level from totally censoring information. Well, I guess I will go ahead and say something that may get the comment buried. There are certain "conspiracy theories" that I believe that are automatically censored from being visible on YouTube or other information streams for the US. So I think that it is correct to be concerned about how far China is gone, but at the same time I don't think people realize that other countries are not always impervious to this type of thing. And part of it has to do with just a ubiquitous protection of worldviews. Which unfortunately are often dictated in a top-down fashion to some degree. So I think its a worse problem than people realize. Or for example with HN and reddit, if you say something that too many people disagree with, it becomes hidden. So for example my recent comment which I thought was the most important one I had made recently: "-4 points by ilaksh 1 day ago | parent [-] | on: Facebook Cryptocurrency Plan Faces Opposition in F... They are going to get the regulators in their pocket and play ball with them. They will filter all transactions requested and provide a convenient place for governments to go for information or control. Its a way for companies to capitalize on the cryptocurrency hype, without, ultimately, acting like a real cryptocurrency. Its going to be a giant bank that has government law enforcement and intelligence agencies as its clients and patrons. This is sponsored by Visa and others. They are co-opting "cryptocurrency" for their own purposes. The goal is for this to become mainstream before real cryptocurrencies and take over before they can really get going for mainstream payments. I filed a bug report. https://github.com/libra/libra/issues/41 https://github.com/libra/libra/issues/41 " This comment is not seen by people unless they click the plus button, and its unlikely they will do so. Censorship and alternate realities are a core function of even Hacker News.
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68 points by avocado4 7y ago

cosmodisk 7y ago

Just shows how 'great' China is...

dang 7y ago
Please don't post unsubstantive comments here. Especially not flamebait.

bhhaskin 7y ago

This is nothing but click bait. Three paragraphs about how searching for Hong Kong in china doesn't return any meaningful results. Pretty much just standard censorship, and nothing about creating an "alternate reality." Also interesting that the OP only seems to post negative stories about China.

hactually 7y ago
Did you not watch the video? Please don't lie.
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beaner 7y ago
I thought this too but there is an embedded video on the page and I guess maybe that is what's being linked to.
heraclius 7y ago
Isn’t the point of “standard censorship” the creation of an alternate reality?

cujic9 7y ago

I've noticed a recent uptick in news promoting the cruelty of China toward its citizens. I struggle to figure out how much is true, and how much is an alternate reality created by my government. (I'm in the USA, and anger towards China definitely benefits the Republican Party / Trump administration.)

sergiomattei 7y ago
Not sure why you were downvoted, because this is an interesting thing to note. I don't know who it benefits, but it's important to question everything in this day and age.
- scarejunba 7y ago
  What if he's a Chinese agent sent here to sow discord?!
  - cujic9 7y ago
    I'm not that clever.
    - scarejunba 7y ago
      I'm not actually accusing you of that, just jokingly exposing that baseless speculation is sort of useless. We're just picking what we want and then rationalizing.
- helen___keller 7y ago
  For what it's worth, there's a substantial amount of anti-CCP propaganda out there (although I doubt it's straight from US gov but who knows). By propaganda I mean QAnon-tier nonsense. I've had the great pleasure of hearing about it from certain relatives on a semi regular basis. One week you hear that trump will have the CCP dismantled within a month, the next week you hear there's going to be mass starvation in China and we need to call relatives (in mainland China) and tell them to stock up on food while they can. The common theme is that Wang Qishan (not Xi, notably) is some kind of corrupt Boogeyman who controls China, wallstreet, etc etc

beloch 7y ago

I wonder if we're about to see another big wave of emigration from Hong Kong, like the one that occurred in the decade before Britain handed over HK to Chinese control. Anyone who grew up in the 80's/90's in commonwealth countries like Canada probably remembers seeing a lot of new faces from HK in school pretty much every year.

ilaksh 7y ago

This is a whole other level, but there is something somewhat similar going on with news in general in most countries, including the US. People get their information from certain streams. It might be reddit, or Hacker News, or certain subreddits on reddit. Or it could be WhatsApp or Fox News. Or in some cases RSS feeds. Or some particular website. But news streams tend to be attached to certain groups and certain worldviews. And its not the same level as Chinese censorship, but when there is user moderation support, the groups do automatically censor things that contradict their worldviews. From what I can see, just about everyone is living in their own alternate reality that has been tailored to their particular political slant. Here is an example: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/19/asia/viral-photo-hong-kong-protests-trnd/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/19/asia/viral-photo-hong-kon... Some people who were promoting the protests were tweeting a doctored photo that made the protests look larger than they were. Again, that's a completely different level from totally censoring information. Well, I guess I will go ahead and say something that may get the comment buried. There are certain "conspiracy theories" that I believe that are automatically censored from being visible on YouTube or other information streams for the US. So I think that it is correct to be concerned about how far China is gone, but at the same time I don't think people realize that other countries are not always impervious to this type of thing. And part of it has to do with just a ubiquitous protection of worldviews. Which unfortunately are often dictated in a top-down fashion to some degree. So I think its a worse problem than people realize. Or for example with HN and reddit, if you say something that too many people disagree with, it becomes hidden. So for example my recent comment which I thought was the most important one I had made recently: "-4 points by ilaksh 1 day ago | parent [-] | on: Facebook Cryptocurrency Plan Faces Opposition in F... They are going to get the regulators in their pocket and play ball with them. They will filter all transactions requested and provide a convenient place for governments to go for information or control. Its a way for companies to capitalize on the cryptocurrency hype, without, ultimately, acting like a real cryptocurrency. Its going to be a giant bank that has government law enforcement and intelligence agencies as its clients and patrons. This is sponsored by Visa and others. They are co-opting "cryptocurrency" for their own purposes. The goal is for this to become mainstream before real cryptocurrencies and take over before they can really get going for mainstream payments. I filed a bug report. https://github.com/libra/libra/issues/41 https://github.com/libra/libra/issues/41 " This comment is not seen by people unless they click the plus button, and its unlikely they will do so. Censorship and alternate realities are a core function of even Hacker News.

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