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Reborn 3: Desktop browser with Web 3, faster VPN and ad blocker
- sergiotapia 7y agoGod I miss Opera 12, Presto and Dragonfly. :(
- throwaway2048 7y agoYou might be interested in Vivaldi, a chromium fork made by some of the same people that originally made opera. https://vivaldi.com/ https://vivaldi.com/
- dao- 7y agoIt's not a Chromium fork, it basically is Chromium with a custom UI and stuff added on top.
- lmkg 7y agoSo, in other words... it's a Chromium fork. It's not a Blink fork, if that's what you mean. They built a new browser, using the HTML & JS engines from Chromium. The rest of the browser is different. As a user, I consider the HTML & JS to be commodities, and everything else to be the salient aspects that I look at when choosing between browsers.
- bmn__ 7y agoWhat's the point? That one doesn't have the features from version 12, either. spatial navigation, bittorrent, author mode, full page indexing for history, mouse gestures, key bindings editing, icons/buttons customisation, cycle show images/cached images/no images, shrink width to fit screen, presentation mode, panelise web page, navigation bar, tab preview pictures, custom icon sets installable from vendor homepage, all menus customisable by editing ini files
- Bayart 7y agoI remember having 300 open tabs on a 4GB Core2Duo computer... How time flies.
- bflesch 7y agoLooks very good to see VPNs and crypto integrated as first-class citizens into a webbrowser. Also love the nightmode.
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- sk0g 7y agoWhat is the point of having crypto integrated into the browser? Native bitcoin mining malware?
- geoah 7y agoI guess identity and paying creators for content is the primary focus. ie brave. their definition of web3 is kinda limited as it revolves heavily around cryptocurrencies instead of the more broad vision of web3 that is basically anything decentralized; ipfs, dat, zeronet, etc.
- ksahin 7y agoI'm not a blockchain specialist, but I guess you can have native identity / wallet / interaction on a blockchain (like Ethereum) without having to rely on browser extension (like Metamask) !
- martin-adams 7y agoI wonder if it's an alternative take on payments, such as Apple Pay being integrated into Safari.
- fabricexpert 7y agoIt's crucial to UX. Otherwise if you want to buy something you need to switch to the crypto wallet, pay for it by copying and pasting addresses and wait for the other side to pick up your transaction and show confirmation in the browser.
- joosters 7y agoIt's so that even more people can lose their crypto coins through insecure/faulty software.
- woliveirajr 7y ago> Our browser VPN is completely free and unlimited, as well as being a no-log service. Our VPN servers do not log or retain any activity data. Few days ago we were discussing how VPN is important but won't save the day if you don't know what you are doing. When we have calls of "I won't log you", I always try to image how tha mine's bird will be set: and if have to log me under some subpoena, how will I know?
- kmonsen 7y agoyeah, just assume all VPN are logging you for sure. That does not mean they don't serve a useful purpose though. Just not what is defined as criminal in whatever place your traffic goes through. (That being said, I think it is only the US that tries to get people for "cyber crimes" in foreign countries?)
- k__ 7y ago"Web 3 is an umbrella term for a set of emerging technologies intersecting cryptocurrencies, blockchains and distributed systems" wat?
- k_ 7y agoYeah, seems like marketing bullshit (1) to me, even if the functionalities themselves seem pretty good (in theory, haven't tested yet). (1) The term might be stronger than needed; I meant something a lot closer to "click-baity" than "garbage".
- chrisweekly 7y agoRegarding "(1)", "bs" is idiomatic and gentler than "bullshit" per se.
- giancarlostoro 7y agoI don't think it's stronger than needed, I think you worded it exactly right, marketing bullshit is a phrase different from 'bullshit' so the sentiment is understood. It's a lot of marketing buzzwords they're making up to hype up something more than it needs to be hyped up. I absolutely hate when people / companies try to hijack terms that don't belong to them. Edit: to clarify, calling something Web 3 is confusing cause we had the adoption of Web 2.0 around the mid to late 2000's which was a huge deal, Web 3 is just wrong.
- martin_a 7y agoKill it with fire. Lots of fire. There's nothing good to be coming out of this.
- coldtea 7y agoBecause the current web is such perfection?
- martin_a 7y agoCryptocurrencies and Blockchain technology has no use whatsoever. It's all made up with fictionary scenarios where any already existing and well-established technology would do just as good or even better. Don't put that snake oil in my browser, please. Thanks.
- Fiveplus 7y agoTwo questions : How different is this reskined chrome different than brave if I were to consider using it? Can we still rely on opera and trust them (after their Chinese acquisition)?
- gigatexal 7y agoRegarding point #2: Nope. Hell no. Our hardware might run on hardware from Chinese ODMs but there's no evidence that they have MITM hardware devices in them. But a software company owned by the People's (sic) Republic of China -- the same government that runs the Great Firewall -- can get bent.
- TomMarius 7y agoAre you saying that any Chinese company is untrustworthy? Because most of our world runs on Chinese technologies, eg. the ZTE hardware a technician has just installed at my home. Edit: that is NOT an argument for its trustworthiness...
- killjoywashere 7y agoThe fact that they sell a lot of it does not mean it's trustworthy. That means it's cheap and cost-effective, all else being equal. Trust, and the use of information, however, are exquisitely difficult to assess until it's too late. And humans, as a species, are well known for trading less pain now for more pain later.
- TomMarius 7y ago> The fact that they sell a lot of it does not mean it's trustworthy I did not claim that. I merely said that it powers most of the world - meaning that most of the world is compromised, if so.
- draugadrotten 7y ago> most of the world is compromised, if so. This is the only assumption which is safe to make. The question is not if your internet communications are being monitored, the questions are who and why.
- thefounder 7y agoCrypto's main issue is not the UX. It's the volatility and costs(i.e merchants pay less for the same crypto). Until these two issues are fixed it makes no sense to use crypto payments unless you are denied access to mainstream payment networks(visa/mastercard). The VPN should be integrated at the OS level not browser level.
- bitcoinbutter 7y agoCrypto in this case is also being used as an authentication / password replacement system. Signing with your wallet address proves you are a specific person. So that alone is a great reason to include the wallet.
- roblabla 7y agoI'm not sure how I feel about tying authentication with payment. It means anywhere you log into with this address knows your payment history with this wallet.
- thefounder 7y ago>> Signing with your wallet address proves you are a specific person. So that alone is a great reason to include the wallet. No, it doesn't. It just proves that you own/hold a private key. You need to build an identity protocol on top of that if you want to prove that you are a specific person/organization. Such protocols have been around for quite some time before crypto currencies. It's just they don't have a good UX, that's why most websites require a password based authentication instead of a key/certificate. I like a lot JWT/JWT as it has a lot of useful attributes(. e.g the "acr" attribute) so you better start with that than a crypto wallet
- Shaddox 7y agoCan you name a few such protocols? Your statement makes me very curious because as far as I'm aware, key distribution is the core problem of asymmetric cryptography. I can generate a private key and say I'm you, and there's nothing stopping me from doing that. The only solution I'm aware of so far is DNSSec which starts from the operating system level.
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- icantev3n 7y agothe blockchain-based Internet of the future, also known as Web 3 So...how does the koolaid taste?
- fabricexpert 7y ago> free and unlimited browser VPN How can they do this for free?
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- romanovcode 7y agoThey log all your data and use it for surveillance.
- fabricexpert 7y agoIt clearly says they don't.
- mickael-kerjean 7y agoThat's tooth fairy trust. Last year china got rid of all its VPN apps in the apple store, how can someone would trust a VPN made by a Chinese company?
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- aloisdg 7y agoSeems legit
- jccalhoun 7y agowhile they may end up monitoring you I think the most direct reason is that it is a feature they hope will attract new users and that they will use search referrals to make money like other browsers use.
- zzzcpan 7y agoIn addition to ad blocking, VPN is becoming a very important feature for modern web browsers. With so many countries blocking websites and websites geoblocking users it becomes necessary to help users circumvent that to access a wide web. This is kind of the whole point of web browsers, give access to world wide web, not local web. Interestingly, Opera trying to compete with other browsers makes it pursue users interests, while other browsers yet again don't see Opera as competition, ignore users and pursue megacorp interests instead.
- kabacha 7y ago> Interestingly, Opera trying to compete with other browsers makes it pursue users interests Lol, sure the closed source browser owned by chinese is out there for user's interests! /s
- sakoht 7y agoThat used to be true before it was sold in 2016 to a Chinese conglomerate. As noted above, the Chinese removed VPN apps from the Apple app store, but they left this one. Which means it's compromised.
- liquidise 7y agoHow does it conclusively mean that?
- angott 7y agoYou cannot legally sell a VPN without lawful intercept capabilities in China. My guess is that if the Chinese authorities have let this VPN pass through the system, it could mean there must be some way for the Chinese authorities to intercept traffic. Of course, this conclusion is not backed by any evidence.
- vbezhenar 7y agoIt’s a small jump from blocking websites to blocking popular VPNs. I know two countries which block websites (Russia and Kazakhstan) and they either block or have plans to block VPNs. I don’t see centralized VPN as effective solution for that problem.
- Calashle0202 7y agoThe background color is different of the tab and with white border color, it's so ugly.
- abcd_f 7y agoA company that sold itself to a Chinese consortium for $600M announces a free VPN service. That's some high quality humor.
- gigatexal 7y agoWon't even download or think twice about now. Thanks for the reminder.
- skilled 7y agoAt least it's free humor.
- dwighttk 7y agoSomeone is paying
- ChrisRR 7y agoIf it's free then you are the product
- nukeop 7y agoOn the new internet, this tired adage is already outdated. You're still the product even if you're paying.
- bparsons 7y agoIn this case, the user is fuel for the product.
- operasinger 7y ago"If it's free then you are the product" BINGO! http://crimeflare.net:83/cfs.html http://crimeflare.net:83/cfs.html
- hombre_fatal 7y agoWell, a free tier loss leader for paid services is much different than what people are generally referring to.
- keepmesmall 7y agoI think I'll wait for Web 4, with three dimensions and time. I hope it's as fun and conducive to creativity as MineCraft!
- romanovcode 7y agoOpera is closed source browser owned by the Chinese. There is literally nothing they can say that will make me install this software.
- htor 7y agoapparently we are currently on version 3 of the web?
- yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago3.0.5274a-rc99, haven't you been getting the release notes?;) (But seriously, it's like HTML5; there probably won't really be another major version ever, just new things built on top of the existing schema)
- theblackcat1002 7y agoThis looks a bit like Neon, which to me the UX is a bit of gimmick. Since Opera is sold to a Chinese company, I may consider this if Opera's going to open source it's code. Btw, I believe nothing is free, you are just paying it in a non monetary form.
- Elect2 7y agoInstalled, and uninstalled when I found it automatically add it's icon to my dock. (It's the first mac software I ever installed that add it's icon to dock itself)
- steveneo 7y agoI really like Opera and use it as my main browser. Yes, that Chinese company is notorious. Just don't put any spyware in your oversea version. If you have to, please only plant it in Chinese release.
- sharperguy 7y agoI don't like the term Web3 and I think a lot of people using the it are basically pushing snake oil. However, I really like the idea of eventually having client-side decrypted data, and censorship-resistant "torrent-like" distributed content. Whether cryptocurrencies must play a role in this or not remains to be seen.
- woah 7y agoHaving the ability for users to pay granularly for their use of web infrastructure is a key requirement if we want to transition away from a model where big corporations with dubious motives pay for web infrastructure.
- intopieces 7y agoThis is an interesting idea. Do you know of any good articles/books about it? I am interested in learning more.
- woah 7y agoA good chunk of the cryptocurrency space is built around this idea. Some more well known projects are Filecoin and Blockstack.
- blablabla123 7y agoOr links with example pages where to experience that would be nice
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- ehutch79 7y agowhat IS web3?
- ehutch79 7y agonm. i thought it was like web 3.0 or something, turns out it's an etherium api?
- nbabitskiy 7y agoIsn't it misleading, to discuss it as a "vpn service"? If you install a binary, that not only controls vpn channel on both sides, but is also a browser, do I understand it right, that it can completely highjack the trust mechanisms, and happily MITM anything you visit? Is there any way to find out if it's really establishing, well, vpn connection (e.g. openVPN or Wireguard), without DPI hardware and corresponding expertise?
- anc84 7y agoThis is the same as any non-tech person using a "VPN". They do not care about privacy or anything. So this makes sense.
- nbabitskiy 7y agoPlease correct me, if I'm wrong. When a non-tech person buys a vpn subscription, she may be provided with a tunneling software, but the key exchange is still happening in the browser. If the site shows a green lock, you can trust the connection to be encrypted, to the extent you trust Mozilla. Also, many vpn providers let you use open source software, like OpenVPN. Opera, however, can ship an installer with a statically linked mock ssh lib, that's always showing a green lock. It's a much more sinister threat model.
- Drdrdrq 7y agoMozilla could do the same. That said, I do trust Mozilla quite a bit more.
- magnetic 7y agoIf you have a malicious browser publisher, you have bigger problems than the networking layer to worry about. The browser already has access to all your keystrokes and all the data it's displaying to you. In some way, it's a "Man In The Middle" that sits at the UI layer and will be able to sniff anything both ways irrespective of the networking layers. That password coming from your "secure keychain" (or any other password manager)? It is also visible "in the clear" by the browser. Only challenge-based, out-of-browser authentication methods will keep the browser from seeing your secret, but it'll still be able to snoop your interaction both ways, and make sensitive API calls on your behalf (like transferring money, etc). There are other methods like OTP that also limit the exposure of your secret, but don't protect against the main threat of hijacking an authenticated browser session. Thankfully some services add another layer of authentication for "sensitive actions", but it's not that common, and it is often weak (for example, sending an SMS with a code). Better than nothing of course.
- dropspace 7y ago> It allows you to browse and make transactions the blockchain-based Internet of the future, also known as Web 3. Pretty important press release for Opera. You'd think they'd proof read it?
- jadar 7y agoHow is any of this new? I mean it's cool, but we already have most of those features with Firefox and extensions.
- outime 7y agoYou can have almost anything through extensions and that doesn’t disqualify built-in alternatives such as this.
- lmkg 7y agoI don't use Nu-Opera, but when I used classic Opera the main selling point for me was not needing extensions. I have neither the time nor the expertise to curate extensions and stay up to date with new browser trends. Built-in features mean that I'm only trusting one entity rather than entrusting my privacy to a half-dozen individuals or small teams, it means that there is a stronger guarantee of maintenance and not breaking, there is a stronger guarantee of inter-op, and when something breaks I have one place to complain to rather than wondering if it's an obscure interaction between three pieces of quasi-independent software. The overall experience was much more seamless than what it would take to collect the equivalent set of feature into Firefox. ... the "trusting one entity" was a big part of the sell for me originally, and it a big part of the reason not to use Opera anymore. The company was purchase by a Chinese investment firm, which I'm a little light on details but seem to recall them being heavily invested in advertising.
- ironicworld 7y agoIt is crazy world. The most notorious company in China for stealing people’s privacy told the world it has a VPN browser.
- Not_a_pizza 7y agoOpera is a Chinese owned company now, right? How safe are you in trusting a Chinese VPN? Maybe slightly better than a VPN operated by Facebook...maybe?
- ironicworld 7y agoXiJinPing is watching you :p
- lohszvu 7y agoLast time I looked at operas "VPN," it wasn't even a VPN. Just a http/https proxy.
- ironicworld 7y agoOpera is owned by Chinese governments. It’s worse than Huawei.
- Lowkeyloki 7y agoThis feels more like a marketing move just rebranding an existing product than anything meaningful.
- zerr 7y agoTab grouping support?
- childintime 7y agoSeems Brave-inspired, notably without generating revenue for websites and users. Which is the better choice?
- DiseasedBadger 7y agoIs opera chrome clone? Or do they still have their own guts?
- oscargrouch 7y agoOpera has a chrome-based engine since 2013 more-less. I guess their old engine were called Trident, and its gone. Also i think they are now owned by a Chinese company. Edit: oops, Trident was the Microsoft browser engine.. i guess i meant 'Presto' as the name of the old ditched Opera web engine.
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- 1xtrm0 7y agoIt's funny to see how the VPN option is disabled by default in China...
- quillo 7y agoI personally feel that browsers are headed entirely in the wrong direction - "one thing well" no longer applies in this space. Does anyone have any recommendations for a lightweight browser, if such a thing even exists anymore? Perhaps Chromium + Scriptsafe + uBlock is what I need, but ultimately I want is a tabbed browser without a load of unnecessary features bundled in. For example; there is no way I would trust the VPN embedded into a browser, thereby rendering it useless bloat. Much like I don't trust the ad blocker in Brave for Android, but I find the experience better than Firefox mobile, and carry on using it despite my displeasure.
- cgh 7y agohttps://suckless.org/ https://suckless.org/ offers their WebKit web browser surf. For tabs, use it with their tabbing frontend, suitably named tabbed. It was a little barebones for me when I tried it some years back but it might be what you are looking for.
- throwaway190102 7y agoCheck out Falkon, or Epiphany.
- pedrocx486 7y ago> I don't trust the ad blocker in Brave for Android I do wonder, why?
- uptown 7y agoOpera set itself as the default web browser after install on W10. That's quite aggressive.
- dzek69 7y agoHow is that possible? Win10 should require manual confirm for that
- JacobJack 7y agoSame here... Opera sets itself as default browser without any action/prompt whatever. It also adds the Opera icon in the task bar without asking anything. Red line crossed. Next step is probably to uninstall competitors ?
- devbat8712 7y agoNot saying setting itself as the default browser is a good thing or anything, but Firefox also pins to taskbar automatically. Chrome does too IIRC.
- V-2 7y agoIt opened the system setting for me. I didn't approve it though, so the default didn't switch. However I do confirm it pinned itself to the taskbar, which is somewhat intrusive. It certainly isn't the conventional thing for Windows apps, and I'm not sure if there's much to win by doing this, really...
- uptown 7y agoNo idea. I was never prompted.
- qwerty456127 7y agoSo I've installed Opera 60. How do I try out anything special? Where is the Web3 and what's there?