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Not all for-profit websites are run by big corporations. The companies you're describing here are also the ones that will find it easiest to comply with these n

Not all for-profit websites are run by big corporations. The companies you're describing here are also the ones that will find it easiest to comply with these new regulations. YouTube for example was already pressured to create a filtering system, ContentID. Behemoths like Facebook will have a far easier time adapting than your typical startup. Article 13 dooms smaller companies and startups, thus further entrenching these big corporations. There was a provision added to Article 13 to protect "small and medium-sized enterprises", but according to the EFF [0] this "protection" is fatally flawed. It only protects them for 3 years, or until they attain 5 million unique visitors, or until they attain annual revenues (not profits) of €10 million. That's not to mention that the exceptions for not-for-profit services also has been regarded as vague, which could be problematic. [0] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/03/european-copyright-directive-what-it-and-why-has-it-drawn-more-controversy-any https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/03/european-copyright-dir...

Funes- 8y ago
>Article 13 dooms smaller companies and startups, thus further entrenching these big corporations. Only "smaller companies and startups" whose main purpose is "enabling users to upload and share a large amount of copyright-protected content with the purpose of obtaining profit from that activity". That's what the document says; how it will actually be enforced is still a mystery, of course. P. S. I have pointed to that "protection" on a previous comment [0]. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19491806 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19491806.
- Gudahtt 8y ago
  That description includes any for-profit services that involve user-generated content. That doesn't make me any less concerned. Also that link appears to be dead, so I'm not sure what comment you're referring to.
  - gpm 8y ago
    It's a link to a comment of theirs that is dead - not sure why it seems like a pretty good comment. I've vouched for it, hopefully a few other people with enough karma to do so will and it will resurrect itself.
    - ABCLAW 8y ago
      It's back, and it's a very good comment.
      - gpm 8y ago
        I couched my statement with seems like because I don't know enough to evaluate if it's correct or not. Assuming it is it's an awesome comment.
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koonsolo 8y ago
I have a platform where teenagers can easily create and share games. I'm currently based in Belgium, but with this new revelation, I'm forced to move abroad with my company. (I already checked I could create a Delaware inc) Europe tries to catch up to the Silicon Valley startup scene. But stuff like this makes it pretty clear that EU is too retarded.
- cr1895 8y ago
  >with this new revelation, I'm forced to move abroad with my company. Can you elaborate why that is?
  - koonsolo 8y ago
    Right now, when one of my users uploads copyrighted material, I can take it down when I see it. Or when I get a complaint (DMCA takedown). We're taking about teenagers here, so it's not always clear to them that they cannot use ripped sprites from other games, or music, or whatever. Basically I can make the uploader responsible for what they upload. The secondary problem is that my biggest competitor also has a lot of copyrighted material, so I'm already very careful with that not ending up on my platform. With this new law, anyone can sue me if there might be some sprite on there that they created. If I was my (non-EU) competitor, I would anonymously upload some of my own content to sue the EU company. Basically I'm a sitting duck. I'm currently working on my platform alone, so implementing a filter is impossible. Even with a big team it would be impossible, since slightly modified sprites are derived works and so also copyrighted. But if I'm outside of the EU, I can just block that region (not the biggest one anyway, and after the UK leaves, not a single native English speaking country in there). If I get a competitor from the EU in the far future, I just do the upload & sue trick.
    - ivolimmen 8y ago
      Your platform needs to make at least x million a year and have userbase of x million and exist for at least x years. Only then the filtering is mandatory...

Funes- 8y ago

>Article 13 dooms smaller companies and startups, thus further entrenching these big corporations. Only "smaller companies and startups" whose main purpose is "enabling users to upload and share a large amount of copyright-protected content with the purpose of obtaining profit from that activity". That's what the document says; how it will actually be enforced is still a mystery, of course. P. S. I have pointed to that "protection" on a previous comment [0]. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19491806 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19491806.

Gudahtt 8y ago
That description includes any for-profit services that involve user-generated content. That doesn't make me any less concerned. Also that link appears to be dead, so I'm not sure what comment you're referring to.
- gpm 8y ago
  It's a link to a comment of theirs that is dead - not sure why it seems like a pretty good comment. I've vouched for it, hopefully a few other people with enough karma to do so will and it will resurrect itself.
  - ABCLAW 8y ago
    It's back, and it's a very good comment.
    - gpm 8y ago
      I couched my statement with seems like because I don't know enough to evaluate if it's correct or not. Assuming it is it's an awesome comment.
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koonsolo 8y ago

I have a platform where teenagers can easily create and share games. I'm currently based in Belgium, but with this new revelation, I'm forced to move abroad with my company. (I already checked I could create a Delaware inc) Europe tries to catch up to the Silicon Valley startup scene. But stuff like this makes it pretty clear that EU is too retarded.

cr1895 8y ago
>with this new revelation, I'm forced to move abroad with my company. Can you elaborate why that is?
- koonsolo 8y ago
  Right now, when one of my users uploads copyrighted material, I can take it down when I see it. Or when I get a complaint (DMCA takedown). We're taking about teenagers here, so it's not always clear to them that they cannot use ripped sprites from other games, or music, or whatever. Basically I can make the uploader responsible for what they upload. The secondary problem is that my biggest competitor also has a lot of copyrighted material, so I'm already very careful with that not ending up on my platform. With this new law, anyone can sue me if there might be some sprite on there that they created. If I was my (non-EU) competitor, I would anonymously upload some of my own content to sue the EU company. Basically I'm a sitting duck. I'm currently working on my platform alone, so implementing a filter is impossible. Even with a big team it would be impossible, since slightly modified sprites are derived works and so also copyrighted. But if I'm outside of the EU, I can just block that region (not the biggest one anyway, and after the UK leaves, not a single native English speaking country in there). If I get a competitor from the EU in the far future, I just do the upload & sue trick.
  - ivolimmen 8y ago
    Your platform needs to make at least x million a year and have userbase of x million and exist for at least x years. Only then the filtering is mandatory...