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Does it matter to the victim who is at fault? ...also, there's a $1,200 delivery fee. Is this the new "restock fee"? it is conveniently left out of the marketi
by gcbw2 8y ago
Does it matter to the victim who is at fault?
...also, there's a $1,200 delivery fee. Is this the new "restock fee"? it is conveniently left out of the marketing materials.
- city41 8y agoCars have always had delivery fees. Delivering something that weighs several tons is not cheap.
- phamilton 8y agoYes, but you can normally test drive a car without paying the delivery fee.
- dpkonofa 8y agoYou can test drive a Tesla without paying the delivery fee too.
- gnicholas 8y agoHow do you do this if they close “many” of their showrooms, as Musk described it? edit: This was an honest question, and instead of downvoting, perhaps you could enlighten me?
- phamilton 8y ago> We are also making it much easier to try out and return a Tesla, so that a test drive prior to purchase isn’t needed. They are certainly pitching the idea that "buy and return" is the new "test drive". So the question is "Do you have to pay the delivery fee?"
- tedivm 8y agoThat's not the full story though. When delivering to dealerships they are often delivered in a more efficient manner, so the per unit cost of delivery is lower. Even if that wasn't the case when you go to a dealership that delivery cost is part of the price. Claiming the car is $35,000 when it's literally impossible to buy it for that is a bit misleading.
- Dylan16807 8y agoWith a $3,750 federal tax credit and possible state credits to offset the delivery cost, the headline price of $35,000 is misleadingly high.
- dymk 8y agoAnd if the car could just be delivered to a dealership, you'd be getting the tax credits, and not paying the cost of to-your-house delivery.
- dpkonofa 8y agoThey don't charge you extra if you live farther away, though. The delivery fee is charged to you whether they deliver it to the dealership or to your house.
- dymk 8y agoI've never seen a dealership delivery fee over $500, and Tesla is going to charge $1200 to deliver this car to my house.
- theartfuldodger 8y ago24,450 is the posted actual cost after normal rebates and credits
- bagels 8y agoA large part of that is "savings on fuel"
- jonathankoren 8y agoYeah that’s a Tesla trick to make their cars look cheaper than they are. It’s deceptive. When I buy a gasoline power car, I don’t figure the cost of gas into the purchase price of the car.
- turtlegrids 8y agoIt's cheaper to Tesla if they "deliver" it at their factory. I took delivery of my Tesla at the Fremont factory. was still forced to pay full delivery fee. insane.
- tamal 8y agoThat’s a law.
- almost_usual 8y ago"This is 2019," he said. "People want to buy things online." But he added that franchise-dealer opposition would be a violation of interstate commerce, and that is unconstitutional. "Good luck with that," Musk said. Sounds like Musk likes to pick and choose the laws he follows. Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-is-eliminating-most-of-its-stores-and-going-to-an-online-only-sales-model-2019-2 https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-is-eliminating-most-of...
- travisoneill1 8y agoI'm glad he has picked this one to break then. Requiring a middleman to sell cars is even stupider than taxi medallions.
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- donarb 8y agoMiddlemen help you buy a car from competing dealers. Buying only from Tesla means you can’t negotiate for a better price.
- gwbas1c 8y agoThe US is the only country that follows this scheme, and it's only certain manufacturers that let their franchises get away with that. Next time try buying a Honda or a Subaru. There's almost no wiggle-room in price.
- sly010 8y agoIt has wheels.
- Wowfunhappy 8y agoSomeone has to drive it though. Once they can drive themselves, yeah, I'm sure delivery will be cheaper.
- gamblor956 8y agoI have never once paid a delivery fee for a new car. I do not know anyone who has bought a non-luxury car that has paid a delivery fee for a car. OTOH, I do know many people who paid delivery fees for customized luxury cars. The $35k Model 3, however, is not a luxury car and is barely customizable, even to the extent of available add-on packages.
- sriram_sun 8y agoOh yes you have. Every dealer everywhere charges a "Destination Fee." That is what you pay for delivery to the dealer's. That line item for the price of the car is non-negotiable. There is wiggle room on MSRP etc. This was the first google result that came up for "car destination fee" :- A "destination charge" is a fee that the manufacturer charges to deliver a vehicle from the factory to the dealership, and that is passed on by the dealer to the consumer; it is not included in the MSRP of the vehicle. Destination charges are typically not negotiable.
- selimthegrim 8y agoThis is typically on the order of $300-500 though
- smolsky 8y ago...and yet I managed to knock the price down by 5K and 2K off MSRP when I bought my last 2 vehicles. So this destination charge is often a moot point with regular car brands/dealers.
- Jedd 8y ago> Oh yes you have. Every dealer everywhere ... You may be doing that thing where you assume parent, and indeed everyone, is in the same country you are in, subject to the same laws, regulations, and traditional rorts.
- chrisseaton 8y agoWhy would anyone want to negotiate individual line items rather than just negotiating on the final bottom-line price? Why would I care if I'm reducing the destination fee or the actual price? What difference does it make to me?
- smolsky 8y agoIt's cheap in NorCal - my friend had a Model 3 delivered by a dude. Literally. A dude drove his car to his house and then called Uber. P.S. by "dude" I meant that the man just drove the car to the owner's place from their Fremont factory (30 min).
- turtlegrids 8y agoThat.... doesn’t sound shady. At all.
- JeremyBanks 8y agoWhat would it have been if not a dude?
- maratd 8y agoA dudette?
- mh8h 8y agoThe car driving itself?
- SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago"Welcome to Johnny Cab"
- johnnycab 8y agoHell of a day, isn't it?
- ErikVandeWater 8y agoDude implies something about how he was dressed and acted. If someone in a 3 piece suit delivers your car, that's less insulting.
- chrisseaton 8y agoHow else would you deliver a car? Not sure what point you're trying to make?
- SilasX 8y agoYes, and that's completely reasonable, but then it's misleading for their promotional copy to say: >and then return it for free. which implies that there's no financial loss on your end. They should at least have phrased it in terms of "and you're only out the initial delivery fee". Edit: I don't know what the actual status is. One commenter mentioned a delivery fee that's separate from the headline price; I was just going off the earlier discussion.
- lawnchair_larry 8y agoYou are not out the delivery fee. Where did you get that?
- SilasX 8y agoSee edit -- was just going off the implication from the immediate discussion and couldn't easily verify the relevant T/C. I would have deleted the comment but it was too late.
- coin 8y agoI buy stuff online and at retail stores and am never charged a delivery fee. Why do cars get to inflate the price by charging extra for “deliver”?
- city41 8y agoYou've never been charged shipping? That's basically the delivery fee for smaller items.
- SECProto 8y agothey roll it into the sticker price, as one of 2000 items in a truck is a pretty low shipping fee. one of 5 cars in a trailer, on the other hand, the per-item cost is very high.
- et2o 8y agoYou are paying for it one way or another.
- lawnchair_larry 8y ago“victim”? I don’t think that is appropriate here.
- ianai 8y agoThe credit system absolutely does force itself upon us. Your alternatives to the credit system are cash and I’m guessing layaway. Not to mention the things that require good credit but aren’t exactly a loan.
- Pristina 8y ago>victim didn't realise being able to get a loan is a human right now.
- fsloth 8y agoIt's not a human right, but being denied or briefly inconvenienced of financial services certainly for most people considered a downgrade in their capability to operate in a modern society. One of the big things that separate haves from have nots is the availability of financial services.
- gsich 8y agoYes it does, at least on HN.