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China Warns Canada of ‘Heavy Price’ Over Huawei Arrest
- evolve2k 8y agoI hear very little of Western CEO’s being detained or arrested. People aware of the concept of Orientalism? This is a great 3 min summary - https://youtu.be/1aNwMpV6bVs https://youtu.be/1aNwMpV6bVs
- stupidcar 8y agoNever heard of Jeff Skilling? Bernie Madoff? Martha Stewart? Plenty of western CEOs have been arrested, convicted and jailed. I guess the difference is that they don't benefit from their government threatening severe consequences unless the rule of law is suspended.
- ptaipale 8y agoOr, as a very recent example of arrests, Carlos Ghosn.
- WalterBright 8y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Holmes#Criminal_charges https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Holmes#Criminal_char...
- ShorsHammer 8y agoQuite a few from my own little country alone. Rio Tinto's Stern Hu jailed for a decade due to acquiring business intel on competing companies. Crown Casino execs jailed for promoting gambling (who would have thought?) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stern_Hu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stern_Hu https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-26/crown-casino-staff-jailed-in-china-over-gambling-crimes/8652430 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-26/crown-casino-staff-ja...
- dis-sys 8y agoRather than accusing a couple selected individuals, your little country managed to alienating the entire 1 million Chinese Australian population by describing them as agents of the Chinese government. https://www.afr.com/news/economy/alienating-chinese-australians-is-just-doing-beijings-work-for-it-20180701-h1239m https://www.afr.com/news/economy/alienating-chinese-australi... the drama doesn't just stop here - your little country worked with the US to install bugging devices throughout the Chinese embassy in Canberra. when it realized that the US is withholding some high value information stolen from the Chinese embassy and using them to gain advantages for trading with China, your little country openly complained about that! https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-08/the-chinese-embassy-bugging-controversy/5079148 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-08/the-chinese-embassy-b... Please read the above ABC news article published using your tax dollar.
- tankenmate 8y agoArguing facts is one thing, ad hominem attacks, on the other hand, are not acceptable; e.g. "your little country". Play the ball not the player.
- CapitalistCartr 8y agoHe's repeating the phrasing of the original poster.
- dis-sys 8y agothat is the _exact_ phase used by the author of the post I am replying to. please read before posting.
- dang 8y agoThat's true, but you used it in the flamewar style, as was the rest of your comment. That's against the rules here, and so is nationalistic flamewar. Please don't post those things to HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- robert_foss 8y agoNorway was heavily punished for the Nobel Peace prize being awarded to an incarcerated Chinese human rights activist[1]. [1]
- chmod775 8y ago> [1] You're missing something there. Might wanna edit that. Here's a suggestion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Norway_relations#2010:_Nobel_Peace_Prize https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Norway_relations...
- perlpimp 8y agoliberty is a use it or lose it proposition, good for norway. And good for Canada, theft from Canadian companies should not be ignored when executed by state actors. "how Huawei's rise was at the expense of Nortel." -- https://www.networkworld.com/article/2223272/cisco-subnet/60-minutes-torpedoes-huawei-in-less-than-15-minutes.html https://www.networkworld.com/article/2223272/cisco-subnet/60...
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- slededit 8y agoThey capitulated in the end. It was extremely humiliating and not strongly covered in the west. This is not what standing up for freedom of expression looks like: “The Norwegian Government reiterates its commitment to the one China policy, fully respects China’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, attaches high importance to China’s core interests and major concerns, will not support actions that undermine them, and will do its best to avoid any future damage to the bilateral relations.”
- hungryhobo 8y agoHonestly I've seen this repeated over and over again, but nortel's down fall is ultimate the result of its bet on circuit switching while rest of the telecom world was moving towards packet switching.
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- abc-xyz 8y agoHistory is repeating itself. The world leaders were too slow to deal with Hitler, just like they'll be too slow to deal with Xi Jinping. Trauma of past wars, fear for the economy, and underestimation of their true intentions.
- EGreg 8y agoChina does have some parallels to the socialists of old. USSR and Nazi Germany. The regimes helped raise a lot of people from grinding poverty through central planning. But also have very heavy-handed approaches to social issues. For example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/6/chinas-christian-persecution-highest-level-mao/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/6/chinas-chris... https://www.forbes.com/sites/oliviaenos/2018/03/28/growing-religious-persecution-in-china-a-symptom-of-xis-consolidation-of-power/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/oliviaenos/2018/03/28/growing-r...
- lovich 8y agoSide note, but I've been seeing this propaganda pop up the past few weeks all over, and now I'm starting to see it come from people I don't think are spreading propaganda, like yourself. The Nazis were no socialists. Socialism isn't part of naziism. Yes it was in their name, but republic is in China's official name, and north korea is know as the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea. We wouldn't claim either country is a democracy. By throwing in Nazis and socialism in the same pot, you are equating those two ideas in people's minds when they are absolutely not
- abc-xyz 8y agoHow deeply you wish to read Hitler and Xi Jinping or China and Nazi Germany comparison is up to you. The two dictators and countries share a lot of similarities. The key point is that they're both hungry for power, evil and brutal, wish to force their ideology upon the world, and most importantly, are in a position where it's possible for them to achieve their goals. Do I believe that Hitler/Xi Jinping were/are the most evil people on earth? No, but unlike others, they're both in a position where they can conquer the world (no matter how much we want to pretend otherwise) and cause great suffering to people outside their own borders. To dismiss the comparison because one put jews in concentration camps while the other is putting muslims, or whatever ideological difference you can find, is missing the point.
- yalogin 8y agoThe world leaders should refer to China as a dictatorship. It has abandoned all of the communist principles except for the rule by one. So it’s a dictatorship by all means and so should Ben called as such.
- tjpnz 8y agoAnd should start admitting to their own complicity in it.
- pytyper2 8y agoAgree, any western company that has shifted production to China is even more complicit, it's the factories that give them control.
- fermienrico 8y agoHere is a list [1] of current authoritarian regimes. There is a pattern or rather multiple patterns. They're poor, hostile and struggling in all aspects (pick your favorite ranking metric) with only one exception - Singapore. The world doesn't need authoritarianism. Human psyche, at the top and at the bottom of the societal hierarchy is fragile and barbaric without education, science and free thought. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism
- paraditedc 8y ago> They're poor, hostile and struggling in all aspects (pick your favorite ranking metric) with only one exception - Singapore. What about Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and more notably Russia and China? I don't think any of them qualify as poor and struggling? Also, causation and correlation. Poverty might be related to authoritarian, but not necessarily caused by it. For example, many counties are poor because of colonialism and the political vacuum left over when they gained independence. In addition, looking at stats in this way is prone to sampling bias. If you take a look at the list of non authoritarian counties, many of them might not be necessarily doing better.
- frabbit 8y agoI still do not know why Canada is carrying water for the USA on this. Trudeau just spent several billion of taxpayers money to build a pipeline to export dirty Canadian tarsands to the Chinese. What is the USA doing for Canada apart from tearing up existing trade deals?
- tathougies 8y agoIt's this thing called the law that -- in western democracies -- applies to everyone equally.
- rbg246 8y agoI cannot tell whether this is being said with a straight face.
- tathougies 8y agoYes, it is. The law of Canada says this woman should be arrested. Thus, independent of what Mr Trudeau thinks, she will be arrested, and tried, in accordance with the law.
- einpoklum 8y agoI don't know Canadian law, but Huawei did not break laws it is bound by. The US cannot require people and organizations in other countries to apply international sanctions it wishes to apply. China is committed to the JCPOA, Huawei is a Chinese company and it is ridiculous - and legally baseless, AFAICT - to demand otherwise. ... which means Canada should not have honored the request to arrest.
- detaro 8y agoHuawai isn't charged (but given that it has facilities in the US it probably can't pretend to be totally free of US law, and at least some reports say executives have avoided traveling there after the US parts were subpoenaed for information). Apparently the executive is charged with financial fraud: misrepresenting the nature of financial transactions to banks. That's probably a crime in Canada too (I'm sure some government lawyers spend a lot of thought on the right wording for this so it does translate to Canadian law, even if the specific sanctions that are the reason she did that don't exist in Canada), and so she can be arrested and extradited if the courts agree.
- intrasight 8y agoWhat I'm curious to know is if she is "Chinese" in this situation - meaning was she traveling under a Chinese passport.
- tonylinn80 8y agoShe's traveling under either a normal Chinese passport or a Hong Kong passport
- intrasight 8y agoThanks for clarifying. I had read that she probably wasn't traveling with a Chinese passport. I didn't know about the Hong Kong passport until now. http://shanghaiist.com/2014/07/01/why_hong_kongs_passport_might_be_th/ http://shanghaiist.com/2014/07/01/why_hong_kongs_passport_mi... "After the handover to Chinese sovereignty in 1997, Hong Kong continued to maintain its own passport separate from that of the standard PRC issue. Replacing the erstwhile British National (Overseas) passport, the HKSAR passport inherited much of the privileges afforded to UK passport holders: free access to commonwealth nations such as Canada and New Zealand as well as the European Schengen area."
- riskneutral 8y agoBring it.