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New Lower-Cost, AMD-Powered M5a and R5a EC2 Instances
- tyingq 8y agoHappy to see something like the old Opteron days. Competition is good.
- nemothekid 8y agoIn standard AWS fashion, there doesn’t seem to be any pricing table anywhere.
- jeffbarr 8y agoVisit the EC2 pricing table at https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/on-demand/ https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/on-demand/ , choose the US East (Northern Virginia) Region, and you will find prices.
- mariuz 8y agoIf we have intel reserved instances like m5.xlarge can we move to amd instances m5a.xlarge ?
- altmind 8y agoI cannot recomend http://ec2instances.info http://ec2instances.info enough - it is so much easier to filter and sort instance info. Yet, new instances are not there yet.
- luscious_t 8y agoSubmit a PR? https://github.com/powdahound/ec2instances.info/ https://github.com/powdahound/ec2instances.info/
- superasn 8y agoI guess it isn't updated. I was looking for pricing of the new t3 instances but it says pricing not available (which kinda defeats the whole purpose of sorting by price)
- slyall 8y agoThe problem is that the site is using a depricated json file to get the instances/prices. This is no longer being updated. AWS has a new API that is getting the updates but ec2instances.info is still working on updating. More info in this ticket: https://github.com/powdahound/ec2instances.info/issues/367 https://github.com/powdahound/ec2instances.info/issues/367
- tyfon 8y agoHow are they managing 96 vCPUs? Is this a new custom quad socket board or is it based on HT?
- douglasfshearer 8y agoA vCPU is a logical core, not a physical core. So yes, based on HT.
- mamon 8y agoStill EPYC processors have up to 32 cores, 64 HT - where is 96 comming from?
- douglasfshearer 8y agoTwo sockets.
- pdpi 8y agoThey're not necessarily using 32 core chips. That could just as easily be a 2x24 board.
- _msw_ 8y agoHi, a developer on the EC2 team here: the underlying CPU topology, in terms of which logical processors share L3 caches (i.e., which CPUs are part of the same CCX [1]) is provided to the instance's operating system through ACPI tables and CPUID values. The m5a.24xlarge and r5a.24xlarge instances show two sockets, six NUMA nodes, and 12 L3 cache slices. [ec2-user@ip-10-0-0-120 ~]$ likwid-topology [...] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Socket 0: ( 0 48 1 49 2 50 3 51 4 52 5 53 6 54 7 55 8 56 9 57 10 58 11 59 12 60 13 61 14 62 15 63 16 64 17 65 18 66 19 67 20 68 21 69 22 70 23 71 ) Socket 1: ( 24 72 25 73 26 74 27 75 28 76 29 77 30 78 31 79 32 80 33 81 34 82 35 83 36 84 37 85 38 86 39 87 40 88 41 89 42 90 43 91 44 92 45 93 46 94 47 95 ) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ******************************************************************************** Cache Topology ******************************************************************************** Level: 1 Size: 32 kB Cache groups: ( 0 48 ) ( 1 49 ) ( 2 50 ) ( 3 51 ) ( 4 52 ) ( 5 53 ) ( 6 54 ) ( 7 55 ) ( 8 56 ) ( 9 57 ) ( 10 58 ) ( 11 59 ) ( 12 60 ) ( 13 61 ) ( 14 62 ) ( 15 63 ) ( 16 64 ) ( 17 65 ) ( 18 66 ) ( 19 67 ) ( 20 68 ) ( 21 69 ) ( 22 70 ) ( 23 71 ) ( 24 72 ) ( 25 73 ) ( 26 74 ) ( 27 75 ) ( 28 76 ) ( 29 77 ) ( 30 78 ) ( 31 79 ) ( 32 80 ) ( 33 81 ) ( 34 82 ) ( 35 83 ) ( 36 84 ) ( 37 85 ) ( 38 86 ) ( 39 87 ) ( 40 88 ) ( 41 89 ) ( 42 90 ) ( 43 91 ) ( 44 92 ) ( 45 93 ) ( 46 94 ) ( 47 95 ) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Level: 2 Size: 512 kB Cache groups: ( 0 48 ) ( 1 49 ) ( 2 50 ) ( 3 51 ) ( 4 52 ) ( 5 53 ) ( 6 54 ) ( 7 55 ) ( 8 56 ) ( 9 57 ) ( 10 58 ) ( 11 59 ) ( 12 60 ) ( 13 61 ) ( 14 62 ) ( 15 63 ) ( 16 64 ) ( 17 65 ) ( 18 66 ) ( 19 67 ) ( 20 68 ) ( 21 69 ) ( 22 70 ) ( 23 71 ) ( 24 72 ) ( 25 73 ) ( 26 74 ) ( 27 75 ) ( 28 76 ) ( 29 77 ) ( 30 78 ) ( 31 79 ) ( 32 80 ) ( 33 81 ) ( 34 82 ) ( 35 83 ) ( 36 84 ) ( 37 85 ) ( 38 86 ) ( 39 87 ) ( 40 88 ) ( 41 89 ) ( 42 90 ) ( 43 91 ) ( 44 92 ) ( 45 93 ) ( 46 94 ) ( 47 95 ) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Level: 3 Size: 8 MB Cache groups: ( 0 48 1 49 2 50 3 51 ) ( 4 52 5 53 6 54 7 55 ) ( 8 56 9 57 10 58 11 59 ) ( 12 60 13 61 14 62 15 63 ) ( 16 64 17 65 18 66 19 67 ) ( 20 68 21 69 22 70 23 71 ) ( 24 72 25 73 26 74 27 75 ) ( 28 76 29 77 30 78 31 79 ) ( 32 80 33 81 34 82 35 83 ) ( 36 84 37 85 38 86 39 87 ) ( 40 88 41 89 42 90 43 91 ) ( 44 92 45 93 46 94 47 95 ) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ******************************************************************************** NUMA Topology ******************************************************************************** NUMA domains: 6 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Domain: 0 Processors: ( 0 48 1 49 2 50 3 51 4 52 5 53 6 54 7 55 ) Distances: 10 16 16 32 32 32 Free memory: 63028.4 MB Total memory: 63291.6 MB -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Domain: 1 Processors: ( 8 56 9 57 10 58 11 59 12 60 13 61 14 62 15 63 ) Distances: 16 10 16 32 32 32 Free memory: 63202.6 MB Total memory: 63375.1 MB -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Domain: 2 Processors: ( 16 64 17 65 18 66 19 67 20 68 21 69 22 70 23 71 ) Distances: 16 16 10 32 32 32 Free memory: 63171.3 MB Total memory: 63375.1 MB -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Domain: 3 Processors: ( 24 72 25 73 26 74 27 75 28 76 29 77 30 78 31 79 ) Distances: 32 32 32 10 16 16 Free memory: 63322.8 MB Total memory: 63375.1 MB -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Domain: 4 Processors: ( 32 80 33 81 34 82 35 83 36 84 37 85 38 86 39 87 ) Distances: 32 32 32 16 10 16 Free memory: 63318.7 MB Total memory: 63375.1 MB -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Domain: 5 Processors: ( 40 88 41 89 42 90 43 91 44 92 45 93 46 94 47 95 ) Distances: 32 32 32 16 16 10 Free memory: 63317.7 MB Total memory: 63374.1 MB -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [1] https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/microarchitectures/zen#CPU_Complex_.28CCX.29 https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/microarchitectures/zen#CPU_...
- pella 8y ago"AMD Next Horizon Live Blog" ( about ZEN2 ) : https://www.anandtech.com/show/13547/amd-next-horizon-live-blog-starts-9am-pt-5pm-utc https://www.anandtech.com/show/13547/amd-next-horizon-live-b...
- andy_ppp 8y agoSounds like they are doing 7nm chips with TSMC, if true they’ll surely overtake Intel in terms of performance? Wish I’d have bought AMD now...
- lettergram 8y agoThey are still down $10 - $12 from where they were last month (aka 30%). I bought a lot at ~$2, but just bought more.
- piinbinary 8y ago> custom AMD EPYC processors I wonder, how much effort does that entail? Is this some TDP and firmware tweaks, or is it actually different silicon? If the later, that sounds like a reasonably big bet that there will be a lot of AMD chips sold to AWS.
- monocasa 8y agoI've heard on the grapevine that nearly all of the large customers ask for (and receive) custom silicon features. The complete set of these special features technically exist on all these chips as they share the same mask, but the different private SKUs have their special features fused/lasered off or hidden behind an MSR knock like all other binning. EDIT: These features tend to be stuff like first class connections to in house security chips and the like. It's more about integration with their systems than any cool feature or isntruction that only "special" customers are cool enough to get.
- vesrah 8y agoWired did an article about how Intel does this https://www.wired.com/2013/05/facebook-and-intel/ https://www.wired.com/2013/05/facebook-and-intel/
- wmf 8y agoIt's never different silicon.
- babypuncher 8y agoIt sometimes is if the customer is buying chips in large enough quantities https://www.wired.com/2013/05/facebook-and-intel/ https://www.wired.com/2013/05/facebook-and-intel/
- wmf 8y agoIntel may have originally designed Xeon D for Facebook, but now it's available to everyone and the Xeon D that you buy is the same silicon as the Xeon D that Facebook buys.
- pipesman 8y agoI can't seem to find a way to launch these instances through the AWS console. Does anyone else see them yet?
- douglasfshearer 8y agoOnly in selected regions at the moment. I can see the m5a and r5a instances available in the console from the Ireland and Virginia regions.
- phoboslab 8y agoJust a friendly reminder that AWS pricing is still insanely high compared to dedicated bare metal servers. On AWS you'd pay around $1500/mo for 24 cores ("m5a.12xlarge")[1] while e.g. Hetzner offers a 24 core AMD bare metal server for $190/mo[2]. Also consider that on AWS you pay for traffic on top of that; prices for which is even more insane. 100TB, while free with Hetzner, would cost you somewhere around $9000 on AWS. [1] https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/on-demand/ https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/on-demand/ [2] https://www.hetzner.de/dedicated-rootserver/matrix-ax https://www.hetzner.de/dedicated-rootserver/matrix-ax
- eropple 8y agoNon-snarky question: can I get a Hetzner server provisioned via API? (I've never tried.)
- lukeqsee 8y agoYes. They even support terraform, last I checked!
- dylz 8y agoYes. https://robot.your-server.de/doc/webservice/en.html#get-order-server-product https://robot.your-server.de/doc/webservice/en.html#get-orde...
- thekonqueror 8y agoTerraform has support for hetzner cloud[1], not sure if that's the same as bare metal. [1] https://www.terraform.io/docs/providers/hcloud/index.html https://www.terraform.io/docs/providers/hcloud/index.html
- krn 8y ago> not sure if that's the same as bare metal Hetzner Cloud is more like AWS EC2, if you choose dedicated vCPU, and more like VPS, if you don't.
- hinkley 8y ago
- ramshanker 8y agoNow, Step 0: Amazon adds AMD server which are cheaper then equivalent intel ones. Step 1: People prefer these cheaper instance. Step 2: Amazon AI notices the demand for AMD, goes back to Step 0. Repeat.
- atq2119 8y agoHow the mighty have fallen, if simple counting is sold as AI... (Nothing against you, obviously, it's just a weird trend that's being going around because AI is the current buzzword.)
- nameless912 8y ago"AI" is the name we give to algorithms we don't understand. However, in this case, if basic accounting is an algorithm we don't understand, then we've lost our way.
- heisenbergs 8y agoThe pricing seems to be around 10% cheaper than the equivalent Intel based servers (m5a.4xlarge $0.688 per Hour vs m5.4xlarge $0.768 per Hour, similar for other instance sizes). I was expecting AMD servers to be somewhat cheaper, but given that the server CPU is only one of many components I guess the savings can't be that much more. Would be interesting to see how the actual performance per $ is different. Exciting to have AMD on AWS though. Still far more expensive than rolling your own hardware or getting bare metal servers.
- NicoJuicy 8y agoOfftopic, but does anyone have the stock data / second of AMD on minute 13 till minute 17. I only see the press-release at minute 15:00 everywhere * and in minute 15 the stock also rose 6-7%. I'm curious on "how fast" the algorithms work and/or if early press releases are possible to a private club :) * One minor exception, this one is published on minute 14, but is propably another issue on the website itselve ( https://www.marketwatch.com/press-release/aws-introduces-new-amazon-ec2-instances-featuring-amd-epyc-processors-2018-11-06 https://www.marketwatch.com/press-release/aws-introduces-new... )
- __d 8y agoAlgorithms will usually use real-time data. For that, you're really comparing microseconds (or even nanoseconds). You can't get that data for free though.
- NicoJuicy 8y agoI don't want microseconds, i want to see seconds and how the markets perform in general. I can't compete in microseconds (ever), i can in seconds :p
- zhte415 8y agoPrice delayed by 15 minutes. Need to pay for realtime data.
- plantain 8y agoSo there's Memory Optimized, General Purpose... but there's no Compute Optimized? What gives?
- glogla 8y agoI guess there's less demand for that? I would like m5da, too.
- ficklepickle 8y agoDO has compute optimized droplets. I tried running aircrack, and I got really good performance (10k/sec on 16vCPU, vs 13k/sec on EC2 32 core dedicated). Unfortunately, EC2 was still 8x cheaper because of spot pricing. 2 hours cost me $4 on DO but .50 on EC2 spot instances. Interestingly, a DO sales guy emailed me, more than once, because I used a compute droplet for 2 hours. They must be hard up for leads! Strange, he didn't get back to me when I told him what I was using it for.
- WillPostForFood 8y agoAny idea how the compute of a m5a.large would compare to a c5.large? They are almost identical in price, but the m5a instances have double the memory.
- gravypod 8y agoVery strange that none of these processors are rated with ECUs in the pricing table. Is AWS still working on bench marking these or is this an extension of whatever agreement AWS/AMD has reached?