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New Google Pixel 3, Pixel Slate, and Home Hub
- therealmarv 8y agoHow good can you develop, let's say something easy, for example some python + Postgres + node.js on a Chromebook like the Pixel Slate without rooting or removing ChromeOS?
- yathern 8y agoProvided the Linux container system works well on it - it should be easily possible. Whether the UX is good for a developer workflow I can't be sure. Users at reddit.com/r/chromeos seem to be able to do some good dev work on crostini-enabled devices.
- dogma1138 8y agoYou can’t run docker normally on ChromeOS you can run it on some chromebooks that support dual booting with something like GalliumOS, or rooting the machine and running your Linux distro in a container/chroot. Unless you are severely strapped for cash and can’t find the same low end chromebook hardware in a low end windows form factor that can be simply reinstalled over there is absolutely no reason to even consider using a chromebook for anything other than it was intended unless you are rooting it for a hobby. People abuse the fact that you can sometimes find them for sub $200 for $300-400 worth of hardware but it’s a hack on top of a hack to make it run anything.
- mav3rick 8y agoPlease check out r/crostini. Linux VMs now runs seamlessly on Chrome OS and can (or definitely will support) Docker.
- moondev 8y agoI can run docker on my pixelbook just fine via crostini. Vscode as well.
- izacus 8y agoWhy do you need docker to develop "something easy" like the OP asks?
- jedieaston 8y agoTo have a Postgres instance and a web server without having to install them locally and screw with configuration. docker-compose and done.
- diminoten 8y agoOh, Docker is so easy, and especially in an environment like ChromeOS, I imagine it's by far the most canonical way to develop.
- ghaff 8y agoThe whole point of a Chromebook is simplicity. Except for maybe saving a couple hundred bucks (as you say)--which I'm guessing isn't really much of a good reason for most of the people doing this--it doesn't make a lot of sense. There's plenty of cheap generation or two back laptop hardware that you can reliably install Linux on and call it a day. If I want to do software development etc. I'll use my Linux laptop. If I just need something simple for travel, I'll take a Chromebook.
- owaislone 8y agoAre you talking about the "old" ChromeOS or the new one with Linux app support? I think with Linux app support it shouldn't be hard to do this at all.
- plexicle 8y agoThis isn't true anymore. I'm using Docker on my Pixelbook right now. No hacks required.
- barake 8y agoAny Crostini supported device works fine. Obviously more RAM and better CPU means a better experience. I have a basic Acer with a Celeron and 4GB of RAM. Been running VS Code and node to develop React Native apps. Can even load the Expo Android app from the Play Store, no separate Android device required! Some Crostini info: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/docs/+/master/containers_and_vms.md https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/docs/+/master/c...
- pc86 8y agoAnything that makes it harder to write node is IMO a net positive for society.
- dogma1138 8y agoLocally? You can’t really unless you are just looking for a text editor with markup.
- izacus 8y agoNot true, ChromeOS now has a Linux container stack with apt.
- bubblethink 8y agoChromeOS, yes, but pixelbook or the new slate run sub 5W fanless CPUs. It's a pretty steep price for the hardware that they ship.
- glenrivard 8y agoNot true. You have Android apps and GNU/Linux on device.
- yjftsjthsd-h 8y agoI've done Python webapp development on an unmodified Chromebook that supported Android apps via Termux. The only catch was that the network layer doesn't make 127.0.0.1 the same for Chrome and Android so I ended up testing in Android Firefox, which is hilarious but worked fine.
- nsm 8y agoNot sure about the slate, but I have a Pixelbook, which is my personal laptop, and the crostini Linux integration is great for development. Specifically, I use it for Rust programming, and have compiled a couple of C++ projects too. The Terminal app that comes with the Linux install is good, supports tmux etc. There is clipboard integration between the pixelbook host and the container. File sharing is also easy with the file manager being able to drag andd drop files in and out of the container. I can use Firefox inside the container, which is what I usually use to browse. Theoretically you have access to the lxc tool inside the top level container, so you could create multiple containers and possibly set up complicated networking setups between them, but I've not tried this.
- neumann 8y agojust get a surface pro
- zyang 8y agoLive stream here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsoQGTA1SxY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsoQGTA1SxY
- simonsarris 8y agoPixel 3: https://store.google.com/product/pixel_3 https://store.google.com/product/pixel_3 Pixel Stand: https://store.google.com/product/pixel_stand https://store.google.com/product/pixel_stand Pixel Slate: https://store.google.com/product/pixel_slate https://store.google.com/product/pixel_slate Home Hub: https://store.google.com/product/google_home_hub https://store.google.com/product/google_home_hub It is so weird these days that 95% of the marketing and copy for new hardware is actually marketing and copy about software, not the hardware. They do however have a spec compare page for the phones: https://store.google.com/product/pixel_compare https://store.google.com/product/pixel_compare
- hrktb 8y agoNote to people in the EU. Google does some fuckery to show regional pages, and will only show the pixel 3 for France for instance. The whole range of announced products: https://store.google.com/us/?hl=en-US&countryRedirect=true https://store.google.com/us/?hl=en-US&countryRedirect=true
- scrollaway 8y agoI can't even look at the comparison page without being in the correct country. sighs
- wodenokoto 8y agoIs there a way to deep link to a country specific google store? I get redirected to a locale that doesn't sell any of the pixel products, so they just don't exists on the product pages when I follow the links
- th_drzzl 8y agohttps://store.google.com/countrypicker https://store.google.com/countrypicker will let you choose your country.
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- matchbok 8y agoWonder when Google will abandon this tablet like the 6 previous ones? 6 months? 12?
- mataug 8y agoHonestly this is my biggest fear adopting any new google product They keep abandoning it !
- sridca 8y agoGoogle made [non-Android] tablets in the past?
- ISL 8y agoYes.
- synotna 8y agoYes, the Nexus 7 back in... 2010 or so Was very good, I wish mine still worked, unfortunately it mysteriously stopped charging one day
- adtac 8y agoI still have mine from 2012 (I think I installed Dirty Unicorns on it though, which breathed new life). It still works perfectly, but I have no idea what to do with it and it's just sitting there along with my Surface RT. I'll never buy a tablet again.
- matchbok 8y agoExactly. :D
- Thaxll 8y agoI own a Nexus 10 and it's still good.
- tjungblut 8y ago
- appleiigs 8y agoWhat's with the notch? I don't follow smartphones very closely, is a notch something we want and is worth copying Apple?
- ayakura 8y agoI don't understand it either. It was a really weird design choice facilitated by Apple. My assumption is that Google doesn't want to be seen as a non-innovator by not having a notch in their phones. If someone else can provide a more plausible reason, I'm all ears =D
- ghaff 8y agoI never got the impression anyone was saying the notch was inherently good. It was just better (as a tradeoff) than having to forgo the screen across the entire width of the device.
- wvenable 8y agoBut Samsung seems to have no problem making notch-less phones with almost no bezels.
- rootusrootus 8y agoHuh? The S9 and the Note 9 both have bezels top and bottom. Samsung just decided to give up the ultimate screen size to avoid having any notch. Good on them for not just copying Apple, but they certainly don't have an edge-to-edge notch-less phone.
- wvenable 8y agoI didn't say it didn't have a bezel at all. But at 8.12mm, the bezel on an S9 is almost half the height of the iPhone notch. And all Android phones have a bottom bezel.
- pwnage 8y ago
- SippinLean 8y agoSo the phone costs $1000 plus another $129 for AppleCare? Bring back the Nexus line :(
- darkmuck 8y agoAppleCare for a google device?
- tensor 8y agoIt's Google's Apple care equivalent. Pretty disappointing. Pixel used to come with 2 years warranty, now it comes with one, if you want 2 years you need to pay extra.
- lotsofpulp 8y agoExcept you can’t walk into a store and walk out with a repair or replacement.
- anderber 8y agoThe new Pixel 3 is $799.
- nmeofthestate 8y agoI really wish Google would sell a good value (Nexus level prices) phone again, so I can own a phone with stock Android. You can get good hardware for half the price of Google's pixel phones; the downside is the crappy Android versions on them. (thanks for the suggestions on close-to-stock-Android hardware)
- scrollaway 8y agoIf you're not constrained by the hardware, then take the time to install LineageOS (https://lineageos.org/ https://lineageos.org/). If you need Google's flavour of Android you can get it from OpenGAPPS (https://opengapps.org/ https://opengapps.org/). I did it for my mom's phone and most recently my own (which until I hit some software issues was running Google stock). It's really easy nowadays, with some tech skills and assuming your phone isn't obscure.
- thaumasiotes 8y agoI just got a Pixel 1 planning to do that very thing. I thought I was getting a great deal; they're about $200 on Amazon. I ran into an apparently common issue where it won't connect to Windows through its bundled USB cable (or any other USB cable...). Plugging it into my external monitor, which is also a USB hub, solved that problem. Except that in bootloader mode, it is once again unrecognized, making it impossible to unlock.
- neumann 8y agoi had that problem with a google pixel. the 5th cable worked. buy a bunch of random ones online.
- s73v3r_ 8y agoThe Nokia 6.1 is on sale for $230 at Amazon https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07B4KPFKM/ https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07B4KPFKM/
- seanalltogether 8y ago
- reificator 8y agoHas Google fixed the Bluetooth disconnecting bug in ChromeOS yet? If so I'm tempted...
- mav3rick 8y agoHey there's been a bunch of bluetooth improvements in recent builds. What's your bug again ?
- reificator 8y agoHad a few Chromebooks with different models where after 15-90 minutes of playing audio over bluetooth, the headset would disconnect and audio would play out through the speakers at full volume. It's the reason I didn't buy a Pixelbook to be honest.
- ap46 8y agoAmazing to see privacy not mentioned at all.
- aurailious 8y agoThey mentioned Titan security a few times.
- s73v3r_ 8y agoThat's to prevent someone from logging into your phone. However, they didn't mention anything about privacy, which would be what happens when you're already logged into your phone, and Google is tracking what you do.
- yla92 8y agoI didn't watch the whole live stream so I cannot tell whether they have mentioned about privacy specifically or not. From what I saw from the phone spec, there is a new chip called "Titan M" built custom for the Pixel 3. "Embedded in the Pixel 3 phones is a new security chip named Titan M. Google designed, manufactured, and integrated the chip into the phone's secure boot process. It's used to protect the lock screen passcode authentication process and to strengthen disk encryption. This same security chip is used in Google's data centers, the company says, which means the Pixel phones are getting enterprise-level security." this is the quote related to the chip from Wired. https://www.wired.com/story/google-pixel-3/ https://www.wired.com/story/google-pixel-3/
- mediocrejoker 8y agoPrivacy and security, while related, are not the same thing.
- candiodari 8y agoOr more to the point: a chip "providing privacy" that you don't control yourself, really does the opposite.
- _hardwaregeek 8y agoUhh, is it just me or did Google just take Apple's tablet and phone lines and do straight up copies of both? Because the Pixel 3 looks awfully like the iPhone X and the Pixel Slate has some similarity to the iPad Pro. I know companies copy each other, but this is quite literally notch for notch.
- gxs 8y agoI notice this more and more with software as well. The other day I had to double check what map app I was using because the latest google maps completely rips off the nicer elements of apple maps. More and more I develop a dislike for google that harkens back to the dislike people had for microsoft a while back.
- anderber 8y agoI think people give Apple way more credit for their "innovations" than it should be due. For example, the people in this thread who think that Apple came out with the notch first.
- jfim 8y ago> the people in this thread who think that Apple came out with the notch first. I thought they did too. Which phone/manufacturer did it before?
- natvert 8y agoAfter bad experiences with hardware reliably and support on the Nexus 5 and Nexus 6p, I will not be buying another piece of Google hardware. Although, I must say, the vanilla Android software experience is top notch. I'd just rather install / customize it on more reliable hardware with better support (my op5t has been amazing!)
- yarrel 8y agoI'm the same after my Pixel 2 experience.
- precurse 8y agoCan you elaborate on that please? I'm actually looking at buying one since there should be a price drop happening on them.
- andrewprock 8y agoI can elaborate. If you encounter any problem with your Piexl phone you will have to interact with their customer support which is woefully under-equiped to support customers. If you happen to fall off of their four state flow chart, you can expect extended calls with lots of words, but no action. They will send you a refurbished phone, but ask you to secure delivery for the phone at the price of a new phone. They won't allow you to return your phone, they can't send you a new phone overnight, even if you offer to pay. If they make a mistake in their system, they won't be able to fix it. The entire customer support system feels like it was built for support reps that don't trust customers, by product managers that don't trust support.
- godelski 8y agoReally? I love my Pixel 2. First phone I haven't rooted (so I can underclock and get a decent battery life). I'm curious what problems you have had (and if I might expect them. But I've had this for awhile now) And I don't see myself buying the Pixel 3. Just seems like a $100 price increase for lower aesthetics. I can't see any meaningful differences in this new phone.
- ghaff 8y agoMy big question about the Slate is its ergonomics (with keyboard) relative to a regular laptop/Chromebook. It looks to be somewhat better ("snaps in place") and the keyboard is approximately "normal." But there's still something folded behind the tablet/screen in the photo. My issue with all these combo devices is that they're not as good for using a laptop in all sorts of random locations and positions--which pretty much describes how I use them at events and otherwise traveling. Some are better than others but I've yet to have anyone tell me that they're just as good as a laptop for using on your lap--which is sort a dealbreaker for me. As I understand it, Google was also rumored to be announcing a more conventional PixelBook upgrade at this event but that didn't happen.
- glenrivard 8y agoThough most impressive was the dim light photo on the Pixel 3 compared to the latest from Apple.
- dbcooper 8y agoThe $599 Slate model has an Intel Celeron SoC. :( You need to spend $799 for m3 SoC base model.
- tengbretson 8y agoBetween the giant top bar and the "related articles" segment that opens on its own theres almost no readable vertical space left on this blog. What kind of amateur company designed this?
- modeless 8y agohttps://alisdair.mcdiarmid.org/kill-sticky-headers/ https://alisdair.mcdiarmid.org/kill-sticky-headers/ works well
- el_duderino 8y agoThis works great. Thanks for sharing!
- seanalltogether 8y agoI feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I see all these Android phones with notches on the top, but no screen going all the way to the bottom. Apple explained they wanted an edge to edge screen, and that the notch was a compromise to achieve that goal. Now all the android devices are copying the compromise without trying to copy the goal.
- mcphage 8y agoMaybe they decided reaching the top of the screen was more important than reaching the bottom?
- rootusrootus 8y agoFor Pixel in particular it really feels like they've started copying the iPhone's hardware choices in some ways, for no real reason that I can discern. The notch, eliminating the headphone jack, etc. Then they even matched it on price (heck, isn't the Pixel actually more expensive than an iPhone if you match them on flash size?). I was a Google phone fan back in the days of the Nexus 4, but these latest attempts feel like Google trying to force their market position up rather than embracing their niche.
- Puer 8y agoIt's pretty pathetic too after they release a whole slew of ads making fun of Apple's design choices... Only to unashamedly copy them in the next iteration.
- hunta2097 8y agoIt's like Google looked at the iPhone X and said "yep, people really seem to dig those notches - we'll make our's EVEN BIGGER!" The Pixel 3 XL leaks looked so bad, I really thought it would end up being a troll. Nope. Nothing compelling or exciting, yet so many questions... o Do people really need a tablet that you can't take with you? o Why the notch and that huge chin? o Can't phone speakers be thinner? o So, you're just going to keep those underwhelming ear-buds from last year? Google, stick to Software.
- silverlake 8y agoImitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Microsoft's Surface design led to the iPad Pro and Google Slate.
- owaislone 8y agoI was hoping they'd release the next Pixelbook. Really wanted to try that as my next developer laptop. May be next year. Pixel Slate is great but I can't hold it on my lap while sitting, lying on a couch or my bed. Given I spend all my working hours using my laptop, devices like Pixel Slate and Surface Pro are a no-go. Only if they built a stronger keyboard with a adjustable latch that could hold the tablet body. I wouldn't mind the extra weight if it meant that it wouldn't need support and could be held just like a laptop in any position.
- vorticalbox 8y agoOur CTO has slate and I'm pretty sure he regrets not getting a laptop.
- krn 8y ago> Only if they built a stronger keyboard with a adjustable latch that could hold the tablet body. ThinkPad X1 Tablet[1] seems to fit your description perfectly. [1] https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/tablets/windows-tablets/thinkpad-tablet-series/ThinkPad-X1-Tablet-3rd-Gen/p/22TP2CP0113 https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/tablets/windows-tablets/thinkpa...
- owaislone 8y agoIt doesn't run ChromeOS. I don't want a tablet. I want a laptop that ships with the new Linux-enabled ChromeOS.
- krn 8y ago> [...] that ships with the new Linux-enabled ChromeOS Thanks for clarification. I wasn't aware that Linux apps are now officially supported on ChromeOS, and assumed that most developers simply replace ChromeOS with Xubuntu-based GalliumOS.
- superfrank 8y ago> I was hoping they'd release the next Pixelbook. Really wanted to try that as my next developer laptop. I bought one last year to try as my dev computer and I'm back to my 2015 mac book. I'm not a fan of the keyboard on it, the battery life isn't as good as I thought it would be, I don't like having a touch screen on my dev machine, but I think the biggest factor in me switching back is that it feels like the remote development services just aren't there yet. I'd get into a coding session and then half way through have some issue with Cloud9 (or a different online IDE, I tried multiple) and it would pull me out of my flow.
- jasonkester 8y agoThis image from the product page made me laugh: https://photos.app.goo.gl/DzUW6cuCUFirvQPz9 https://photos.app.goo.gl/DzUW6cuCUFirvQPz9 Trying to stay ahead of the current trend toward larger phones.
- matchbok 8y agoNot sure how these are better than buying a 2-year old iPhone (which has better support, better UX, and better resale value)
- tbirrell 8y agoYou could also say "not sure how these are better than buying a 2-year old pixel". If good-enough is what you want, there are a ton of options, I won't disagree. I buy latest (at the time) phones because I plan to hang onto them for 3-4 years at a time. So its really all about what you are looking for in a phone. If you think Apple has better UX and you don't mind the direction their hardware is going or have any aversions to their ecosystem, then, by all means, get an iPhone.
- Spivak 8y ago> not sure how these are better than buying a 2-year old pixel Because a 2 year old iPhone will continue to get support for as longer than the new Pixel and doesn't have much resale value. Don't get me wrong, I currently own a Pixel but owning one is not a value-conscious decision.
- nrki 8y ago£189 for a keyboard case!! Tell 'em they're dreamin'.
- Donald 8y agoI like how if you go to https://store.google.com/product/pixel_3_how_to_buy https://store.google.com/product/pixel_3_how_to_buy and click on any of the company names under "Find your phone. Get up to $300 back" you will be redirected to Google's internal corporate SSO page: https://imgur.com/a/DkmG4uL https://imgur.com/a/DkmG4uL
- diminoten 8y agoI don't think Google has any "internal" networks, or at least not many. I think you can get to any of Google's "corporate" SSO login pages. I could be remembering wrong.
- Someone1234 8y agoGoogle famously has no "internal" pages (but a lot of private pages of course). Instead of using a VPN solution for off-site, they have a reverse proxy sitting in front of their back-office sites, the reverse proxy verifies user authentication (inc. 2F) and permissions before allowing access to the site in question (both from on Google's campus and off-site). The theory goes that even if you break into Google's campus and plug into their corporate network, or find an employee's computer you'll still have no easier time accessing their private pages than you would otherwise. It is actually a really interesting topic all in its own right.
- merlincorey 8y agoNetflix operates the same way - they consider their offices untrusted networks, and everything goes through their SSO / MFA architecture.
- actualanswer 8y agoYea. This pattern is called BeyondCorp or Zero Trust. Google was the first company to pioneer it but adopting this architecture internally. Only now companies are slowly moving to this and vendors are creating products and services to support this architecture. https://cloud.google.com/beyondcorp/ https://cloud.google.com/beyondcorp/
- rplst8 8y agoNo headphone jack. Barf.
- skh 8y agoHow can they write a blog post about new products with no links to actually buy said product? I see this a lot with corporate blogs. Why don’t they link to the corporate homepage or to the store where I can buy the product?
- nickdandakis 8y agoOkay, so. Have we reached diminishing returns with smartphones? Because it really feels that way. I'm sure this new Pixel is better than the previous one, but we're starting to have conversations around _not_ buying the $1k phone for its camera, and instead buying two devices for $500 each that are better. I personally feel like even four iPhone generations ago, the iPhone was "good enough" and that the software is really what needs to be improved.
- moojd 8y agoI agree. I don't want a new phone right now, I just want to keep getting software improvements. I still have the OG Pixel and I really don't want to replace it. It has a headphone jack and it still runs as well as it did day 1. Unfortunately google will probably stop supporting it soon forcing me to get a new pixel to keep getting software updates.
- StephenAmar 8y agoSame here. OG pixel and I'm basically waiting for next year when we stop getting security updates.
- rikkus 8y agoYes. iPhone 6s is what I’m sticking with until they double the battery life (in real use, not watching a video) or do something else I might actually care about.
- nickdandakis 8y agoI upgraded from the iPhone 6 Plus to the iPhone XS Max, on a complete whim. The biggest difference is of course, snappiness of applications. The OS, not so much, because I think Apple does a good job at maintaining iOS. But Spotify used to take 8 seconds to cold boot for me on my 6 Plus, and sub-second on the XS Max. I would love to see hardware upgrades halt for five years while we all (collectively) get our software shit together and optimize everything for performance. That'll never happen, because I think it's in our human nature to Get Things Done in the short-term with compromises that affect the long-term. Poor software performance is our digital world's global warming.
- epicureanideal 8y agoI was underwhelmed with the specs. Only 128gb storage? Processor improved, and I guess image processing software improved... maybe that's all that should be expected after 1 year? But the iPhone seems like a huge contrast... 512gb storage available? Both of them offer cloud storage, but the 512gb option is amazing to have on the device.
- ngngngng 8y agoPixel comes with unlimited photo and video storage in the cloud, and will automatically delete backed up photos and videos if you start running out of storage. Any phone besides a pixel I would need above 128gb, but with the storage management I've never run out of space on my 64gb pixel 2 xl.
- brentonator 8y agoWhy are we putting all of this storage into phones? Are you looking to keep all of your photos on your phone so when you break it/get it stolen you lose all your photos? It just doesn't make sense. I download more movies than I can watch more music than I can listen to for flights, more apps than I use, take more videos and photos than I will ever use. The google photos app auto-deletes my old backed up videos/photos as needed unlike on Apple devices where you have to delete the folder yourself. I never run out at 64GB.
- wnevets 8y agoNo headphone jack, I'll be sticking with the original pixel for a while longer
- TheTrotters 8y agoIf that's what you're looking for in a new phone you'll have to stick with it forever.
- wnevets 8y agoor at least until bluetooth headphones on android stops being garbage.
- macintux 8y agoAirPods supposedly work pretty well with Android. You don't get the full experience, but they're still quality buds.
- Spivak 8y agoI think it's more likely bt will die off before it becomes usable for audio.
- jvolkman 8y agoMaybe you just haven't tried the right headphones yet? https://www.whathifi.com/sony/wh-1000xm3/review https://www.whathifi.com/sony/wh-1000xm3/review Android 8.0+ is arguably better for wireless audio than iOS since it supports the LDAC codec.
- delecti 8y agoSamsung is still sticking with headphones jacks in their phones, and Nokia has them in many of their phones as well. It's not a completely lost cause.
- safgasCVS 8y agoProduct page is a mess - why no simple 1 page per item that shows whats new rather multiple articles spread out over different links? I had to go to theverge to understand what was launched
- jenkstom 8y agoWould love to know when I can get the Pixel 3 from sombebody besides Verizon or Google. Google keeps shipping us empty boxes and has shut down our network guy's personal account. We even had the fedex guy witness opening the third empty box. Fedex says it's Google's fault, Google says we're stealing phones. So, we can't get it until they start selling from anybody besides Google or Verizon. Sounds like that will be November first.
- apahwa 8y agoempty box sounds pretty suspicious. weight sensors should catch that. you should record video of any other box opening you do.
- practice9 8y agoFor those who are dissapointed in Pixel's notch - look out for OnePlus 6T. Much more better "waterdrop" implementation which minimizes notch area. There is a rumour they're partnering with T-Mobile for this release
- michaelmior 8y agoHappy I didn't pull the trigger on the Lenovo Smart Display. Home Hub looks pretty nice and although the screen is smaller than both of the Lenovo models, I think the price difference makes up for it.
- noncoml 8y ago> Google Photos gives you free, unlimited online storage for all your original quality photos and 4K videos. So what will happen to your photos when Google decides to "sunset" Google Photos? Also, what happens to your phone/contacts/purchases when Google (AI?) decides you have violated YouTube T&C and locks your account? Edit: Finally, are your phone data used for improving the targeted ads?
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- mark_l_watson 8y agoObvious suggestion, but: this is why I have my phone automatically copy new pictures to Google Pictures, OneDrive, and Dropbox as soon as my phone gets on a good wifi connection.
- aktau 8y agoMay I ask which software/app you use that can do this?
- yash1th 8y agoI think all of those apps have an auto upload feature for your photos
- untog 8y agoMaybe I'm naïve but I really cannot imagine Google shutting down Photos with no notice. So if they say they are closing it, I'll just downloaded them en masse and upload elsewhere.
- enieslobby 8y agoIf Google sunsets Google Photos, they absolutely will provide a way to export them first.
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- tracker1 8y agoHave you considered inviting Satan into your life? /snark The removal of the headphone jack is just stupid, and annoying. The fact that I've had no shortage of issues with my car and bluetooth since Oreo (except for 2 months of late betas for P that worked, only to have it break again after the public release). Screwing up hangouts, which was once such a great messaging app everywhere I needed, and voice integration worked great. Broken and inconsistent "groups" management. Just plain unfinished web interfaces all around. It reminds me of Windows 8... mostly shiny, but some truly ugly areas with it. Not to mention AMP and so many other things they've done that don't really make anything better.
- PhasmaFelis 8y agoWhere's the best place to get a new/refurb Pixel 1 cheap? It's the last Google phone I'd want to own, and I'm guessing the price will drop even further now that the 3 is out.
- bubblethink 8y agoswappa. pixel 2 may be a better idea if you are ok with the headphone jack situation.
- PhasmaFelis 8y agoI am not, unfortunately. :-/ And I don't have much need for a phone with lots of grunt, so the Pixel seemed like a good compromise. Any other suggestions for a solid Android phone with a headphone jack that won't give me any trouble rooting it? Replaceable battery would be nice too, but I'm not picky on that.
- bubblethink 8y agoThere are quite a few phones that will let you unlock the bootloader, but pixels are the only ones with decent security record and ability to self-sign builds for verified boot. Pixel 1 will stop receiving support in a year. So you need to make that call if you want to buy a phone with just a year of security updates left.
- PhasmaFelis 8y ago> ability to self-sign builds for verified boot What does that part mean? It sounds like something I should probably know.
- prolikewh0a 8y agoSnapdragon 845 with 4GB of RAM? This is essentially a Pixel 2 XL with a notch. 4GB of ram is going to be atrocious right out of the box, and good luck in a year or two.
- wilsonnb3 8y agoI’m not sure why you think 4gb of RAM isn’t enough. I was using a pixel 2 with 4GB up until a week ago and it still runs perfectly.
- simonebrunozzi 8y agoBummed that there's no new version of Google WiFi.
- blisterpeanuts 8y agoNo headphone jack. No memory expansion slot. No removable battery. Made in China. $800 for the cheapest model (64G 5.5"). If I weren't trying to move away from Google right now, I'd be interested. But this is not priced to be an impulse purchase. Its specs are approximately equivalent to the Samsung S8 -- similar screen (5.5" vs Samsung 5.8"), same IP68 water resistance, edge, Bluetooth 5. But there the similarities end. S8 and S8+ and later models still have memory expansion. I have a 128gb card in my 64gb S8+, for example, for a total of 172gb. S8, S8+, and the S9 series also have retained a headphone jack. I seem to recall Google making fun of Apple for eliminating theirs, and now they have followed suit. In my opinion, Google should just designate a best of breed phone, e.g. the Samsung, as its flagship Android, and stop trying to market a "pure Android experience". They've never been very successful with hardware -- maybe the Chromecast was a hit, but their Nexus phones (of which I bought four) have been mediocre.
- jtl999 8y agoI hope the Pixel 3 has a PWM free/high frequency PWM OLED display but I'm not holding my breath :(
- utopcell 8y agoWell, this was anticlimactic. Instead of a bezel-free pixelbook, we got a pointless notch-full phone.
- nkkollaw 8y agoA notch!? Why!
- justfor1comment 8y agoWow! This is a top notch phone
- sequoia 8y ago> soft circles and curves evoke something natural & familiar > the products we create become so natural in your life that you don't think about them as technology anymore This is bad! People should think of their technology and the implications it has on their lives. Encouraging people to sleepwalk even further into 24/7 surveillance fails the "don't be evil" test in my opinion. Call me a cynic but damn if this doesn't stuff doesn't sound creepy coming from a company whose business model is based on surveillance.
- pwaivers 8y agoI see where you are coming from, but I think that is just fighting the inevitable. People & companies should consider the implications of technology, but that shouldn't prevent it from becoming a bigger part of our lives.
- davidw 8y ago"AI in Pixel 3 enables new features that make your day-to-day actions simpler and easier." I wonder if they'll go so far as to make it recognize my Italian wife's name when I pronounce it in Italian.
- tata2020 8y agoMost boring and useless set of products with ugly design.
- wufufufu 8y agoHere's my generic cynical HN comment: Every Google feature is predicated on large scale user data collection. Who asked for a phone that would answer itself or cloud storage for pictures that also processes and trains models on all of them? These features are something Google wants, not consumers. When drones are able to target individuals based on facial profiles, I'm going to think "my selfies helped with that". At least it has front facing speakers.
- apahwa 8y agomaybe you don't want those features but a lot of us do. cloud storage of photos has been great and I'd love to stop paying for the additional storage space. yes, Google may benefit from it also but that is why it is free...
- jasonvorhe 8y agoSpeak for yourself. I adore these features.
- dstaley 8y agoI just realized that the $549 Surface Go comes with a Pentium Gold (more powerful than the Celeron), double the storage, and double the RAM for $50 cheaper than the base model Pixel Slate ($250 cheaper if you include the keyboards). Furthermore, a Surface Pro with a Core i5, 8GB of RAM, and 128GB of storage is $100 cheaper than the equivalent Pixel Slate, and $170 cheaper once you factor in the costs of the keyboards.
- c2h5oh 8y ago4 word summary: great but too expensive
- tata2020 8y agoThank you google for not releasing any interesting product and wasting my money.
- satysin 8y agoWhat a terrible live event. The presenters were awful. Okay not everyone is a natural presenter so if you don't have such people in your product management team just hire some! As for the products. Groan. What is there to be excited about exactly? The new tablet (slate?) goes up to $1600(!) and doesn't even include a keyboard (an extra $200 for that). The videos of it seem to show it as a laggy mess as well. Hopefully it isn't like that on release. The Home Hub does not interest me. At all. At least it doesn't have a camera though. But the real let down is the new Pixel 3 is just so meh. A bizarrely large notch yet a large chin still? Two front facing cameras but still a single rear. Why? Are super selfie takes the biggest buyers for Pixel phones? I take a few selfies now and then but I would much rather a second 2x camera for proper zoom and not some fancy digital zoom powered by AI from my hand tremors. I can't see any reason to replace my Pixel 2 XL if I am honest, especially at those prices. Also what happened to the whole "you think you know" social media trolling Google was doing? Turns out yes we did know. Literally everything leaked. So bizarre.
- brynjolf 8y agoSame thing could have been said about the Pixel 2 but you bought one anyway. They will sell because people settle for well-known and good, not new features.
- sf_rob 8y agoIsn't consensus that Google's phone sales volume is pretty low? I don't think that they are well-known in non-tech circles; although I would agree that's not about new features / presentation.
- superfrank 8y agoI've bought the last two pixels on release day (as well as multiple Nexus before that). I absolutely loved my Pixel 1, but was actually fairly disappointed in my Pixel 2 as it feels so much more fragile and buggy that the Pixel 1. Honestly, I have been looking forward to upgrading to the Pixel 3 for probably 4 months now. Unfortunately, after seeing what they put out today, I'll probably be looking at other models instead. This phone just looks so "meh" and yet it has such a premium price attached to it. It's almost a bit insulting that they raised the base price and dropped the value they are giving for trade-ins. I woke up this morning expecting to spend $300 (after trade in) on a slight upgrade to my current phone and they've managed to some how managed to lose me as a customer after seeing what they offered.
- ChrisCinelli 8y agoI was looking for a 8Gb Ram and a SD card slot for pretty much infinite storage... Oh well.
- lechiffre10 8y agoHey Google,Facebook etc... You've had data breaches and you don't really seem to care about user info and privacy, what's your response? Facebook & Google: "Introducing these new gadgets to use in your home, where we can get access to everything you do or look up during the day"
- RivieraKid 8y agoWtf, they couldn't even make the top and bottom borders have equal height in a $800 phone (the smaller Pixel)? Who's in charge of hardware design at Google, Apple would never release this.
- tobltobs 8y agoDoes the Pixel 3 support Wifi Aware (Neighbor Awareness Networking (NAN))?
- Crontab 8y agoWhen it comes to the Pixel Slate, it will be interesting to see how long it takes Joshua Stein to get OpenBSD running on it.
- fermienrico 8y agoI am surprised no one is talking about privacy. In my view, buying a phone from an advertising company is insane. Think about your phone - everything about your life is in this one device. I don't care if Pixel 3 was twice the performance and features than iPhone. Fundamentally, I have a problem with this device and it has little do with petty details such as megapixels and build quality. Google is not interested in selling you hardware without "free" Google services built in. If they were, they would be a hardware company, not an advertisement company.
- precurse 8y agoApple isn't perfect either. I'm not trying to defend Google, but Apple is going after the right to repair and trying to make it illegal for you to repair your own device, let alone 3rd parties to. So if you're someone who respects your right to repair and won't pay for Apple products, and the other option is an advertising company, what options are there left?
- fermienrico 8y agoApple has a pretty bad record about repairability but that is most likely due to the shrinking electronics packaging and it applies to all phones and laptops - Please check iFixit repair score for Microsoft surface and Samsung tablets. It is difficult to say, but right to repair has ranks lower in terms of societal impact than privacy. Privacy has deep and profound impact on our society than right to repair. If it is a secure device, I am OK with not being able to repair it - your phone is your life these days in 60 cubic centimeters of metal, glass and silicon.
- precurse 8y agoYes, some devices are getting more difficult to repair. However, Microsoft and Samsung aren't the ones lobbying to make it ILLEGAL to fix device. Apple has sued over people taking displays that were still good, but just needed the glass replaced. This is a trivial repair and has been done forever in the IT industry. To the car analogy: it's like replacing the windshield and selling the vehicle. Then Honda sues you because the Honda logo is still on the car. Article: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/a3yadk/apple-sued-an-independent-iphone-repair-shop-owner-and-lost https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/a3yadk/apple-sued... This has nothing to do with security and is totally over Apple wanting full control over a device that someone purchased with their own dollars. To say it's to do with security is asinine.
- post_break 8y agoI loved how they kept harping on how the tablet didn't run a phone OS. Yet for the price of what they are asking you can get a surface that doesn't run a browser OS. That tablet is dead on arrival with those prices. Even microsoft charges less for the keyboard for the surface. It's not a cheap Nexus 7 tablet, Amazon took that market share, it's not a competitor to the iPad, and it's not a Surface competitor.
- niuzeta 8y agoLack of headphone jack will drive me to Samsung in the next iteration. As a long-time Google phone fan(Nexus series and now a Pixel XL) this is a saddening trend.
- glenrivard 8y agoHope the Pixel 2 gets the call screening and the dim light photo abilities.
- bdz 8y agoSave your money and buy a Pocophone F1 for $300 https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=9256&idPhone2=9293 https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=9256&idPhone2...
- brentonator 8y agoMissing some T-Mobile LTE Bands. (edit, the linked website had the incorrect lte band information) No IP68 so I have to worry about spills and rain again. MicroSD and 3.5mm holes to fill with dust/water. It looks good, but not quite what I want.
- nneonneo 8y agoGoogle's "unlimited" photo and video storage sounds like a fantastic idea! Until you realize that, as with all of Google's products, the "unlimited" storage has to be paid for somehow. In Google's case, this is done by giving Google a license to use YOUR photos as they see fit (https://policies.google.com/terms?hl=en&gl=ZZ#toc-content https://policies.google.com/terms?hl=en&gl=ZZ#toc-content): > When you upload, submit, store, send or receive content to or through our Services, you give Google (and those we work with) a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works (such as those resulting from translations, adaptations or other changes we make so that your content works better with our Services), communicate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such content. The rights you grant in this license are for the limited purpose of operating, promoting, and improving our Services, and to develop new ones. This license continues even if you stop using our Services (for example, for a business listing you have added to Google Maps). Some Services may offer you ways to access and remove content that has been provided to that Service. Also, in some of our Services, there are terms or settings that narrow the scope of our use of the content submitted in those Services. Make sure you have the necessary rights to grant us this license for any content that you submit to our Services. Google's entire business is "operating, promoting, and improving our Services, and developing new ones", so it suffices to say that their usage is not so "limited". As far as I can tell, there are no terms for Google Photos that narrow the scope. Apple's iCloud service is very different in this regard (https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/icloud/en/terms.html https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/icloud/en/term...): > You acknowledge and agree that Apple may, without liability to you, access, use, preserve and/or disclose your Account information and Content to law enforcement authorities, government officials, and/or a third party, as Apple believes is reasonably necessary or appropriate, if legally required to do so or if Apple has a good faith belief that such access, use, disclosure, or preservation is reasonably necessary to: (a) comply with legal process or request; (b) enforce this Agreement, including investigation of any potential violation thereof; (c) detect, prevent or otherwise address security, fraud or technical issues; or (d) protect the rights, property or safety of Apple, its users, a third party, or the public as required or permitted by law. > Except for material we may license to you, Apple does not claim ownership of the materials and/or Content you submit or make available on the Service. However, by submitting or posting such Content on areas of the Service that are accessible by the public or other users with whom you consent to share such Content, you grant Apple a worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive license to use, distribute, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, publicly perform and publicly display such Content on the Service solely for the purpose for which such Content was submitted or made available, without any compensation or obligation to you. The first paragraph is Apple saying that they can show the FBI your iCloud account, which is already a known quantity with almost all cloud storage providers (except E2E encrypted ones). The second says that Apple only uses your content if you choose to share it with people, and then, only for the purpose of sharing. Maybe you don't care that Google has this kind of access to all your photos and videos - after all, it already does that with your GMail - but for a lot of people (myself included) this is a dealbreaker.
- tonyztan 8y ago> "We’ve integrated Titan™ Security, the system we built for Google, into our new mobile devices. Titan™ Security protects your most sensitive on-device data by securing your lock screen and strengthening disk encryption." Anyone have more information about this new security chip in the Pixel 3? Is this any different from secure boot and the security chip from the Pixel 2?
- MattSteelblade 8y agoI thought Titan was Google's FIDO 2FA devices, like a Yubikey.
- LosMyke 8y agoDisplay for the slate looks fantastic, the idea seams right, but I just don't see a legitimate reason to drop another $1K to upgrade from my Pixelbook. The Pixelbook at least has a keyboard, works great on the lap (hence the name LAPtop), does pretty much the same as the Slate.
- oh-kumudo 8y agoConsider how bad Pixel's quality control is, I won't buy a Pixel 3 at least in a year.
- hawkilt 8y agoWhy are they leving out andriod on pixel slate and moving to chromeOS? so the future phones will be on chromeOS?
- sorenjan 8y agoDoes anyone know which algorithm they use for super resolution in the camera app? I know they're using RAISR [0] for zoom in the previous version, seems like they have a new method now with multi image super resolution. I doubt it's anywhere near as good as a second camera with a different lens, so I don't understand why they won't include a second camera in the back like every other modern phone. [0] https://arxiv.org/abs/1606.01299 https://arxiv.org/abs/1606.01299
- kraig911 8y agoMobile tech has jumped the shark I think. Literally just a snorefest of a year to me when it comes to new devices.
- abvdasker 8y agoIt's hard to come to terms with the sheer lack of imagination and variety in the smartphone market. A few examples: 1. It's now all but impossible to find a phone with flagship specifications in anything smaller than a 5" form factor. You would think some company somewhere would be trying to capture the market for smaller phones but no. Sony has done this for a while but hasn't released a compact version of their latest offering. 2. In the space of less than a year the questionable design choice of adding a notch to the top of the screen has become ubiquitous. This follows a larger trend of just about every phone maker trying to make their product look as much like an iPhone as possible rather than trying to create a distinct aesthetic. 3. Headphone jacks have mostly disappeared for little discernible reason despite the overwhelming consumer preference for them. Why aren't there any smartphone manufacturers trying to differentiate by keeping the jack? The list goes on. It boggles the mind how a market that has existed for like 10 years became so homogeneous and creatively bankrupt.
- 013a 8y agoThis is a very dramatic opinion, but its one I've been thinking about for a while. What is Google's five year plan with their hardware ecosystem? The only thing I can come up with is "continue gathering data to build experiences which enable them to sell ads and continue to gather more data", which feels reductive and has almost nothing to do with hardware. The Pixel has always, in a broader market sense, been a bit of a non-starter. Its a fine device, don't get me wrong, but they sold 3.7M in 2017 [1]. Compare that to ~220M iPhones [2] or ~30M Samsung devices [2]. Its not even close. No one looks at LG's phone business and thinks its healthy, but that's the magnitude of sales we're talking about. And their disastrous attempts at "premium" ChromeOS hardware. The Pixelbook was the most hilariously horrible device Google has ever made (wait... maybe that should go to the Pixel C?). The Slate looks a lot better, but where's the value compared to the cheaper Surface Pro 6 or iPad Pro? ChromeOS is an amazing platform for your grandma, but that doesn't sell units. And how does ChromeOS further Google's broader ecosystem goals? I use G-Suite personally and I feel no draw to buy one of these things, and I should be their target market. If they're trying to take back more control of the Android market, they're failing. So, they've got the web. The "open web" isn't even a strategic moat for them; its the minimum price for them to exist. And geeze, even then, Apple is destroying them by forcing Safari on iOS. This is way out in left field, but I think what Google needs to do is work on a WebASM-native processor architecture and design. Fuchsia and Flutter isn't enough alone, because they're still going to rely on companies like Samsung or Huawei to distribute the hardware, which is tenuous; these companies might see Fuchsia as an opportunity to take even more control of Android. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/13/17007104/google-pixel-total-sales-idc-statistics https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/13/17007104/google-pixel-tot... [2] https://bgr.com/2017/12/29/iphone-vs-samsung-most-popular-tech-products-of-2017/ https://bgr.com/2017/12/29/iphone-vs-samsung-most-popular-te...
- Eridrus 8y agoI think Google is trying to go after the premium segment and try to achieve Apple-like margins by focusing on software. If you look at the the phone specs you'll be completely unimpressed with the Pixel phones. Plenty of cheaper phones have better specs. This is why the Android phone market is so brutal: most OEMs are undifferentiated and are being squeezed because consumers largely see them as interchangeable. Google is the exception to this. So I don't think evaluating them purely on volume is a correct way to assess the health of their business.
- cardamomo 8y agoFound an intriguing tidbit when reading about the Pixel Slate's version of Chrome OS: > You can even run Linux if you’re a developer. I wonder what exactly this means. What distro? How locked-down will my device be under this distro? Does this mean we now have a real, live Linux tablet?
- crehn 8y agoWhy does nearly everything that Google makes look like it was designed by an engineer? They have top-notch engineering talent, but seem completely clueless when it comes to designing slick and beautiful experiences. There's a very thin line between cool and cringy.
- King-Aaron 8y ago> "Take a groupie" I don't think that means what they think it means.
- gandutraveler 8y agoKinda disappointed. I have Pixel XL and was hoping to upgrade this year. But this phone doesn't look like an upgrade except for few minor software enhancements. Maybe I'll switch to iPhone for next 2 years. Any pixel owners planning to get Pixel 3 ?
- traspler 8y agoI thought some of the feature presentations were very strange. They focused way too much on "how not to do it" instead of the "here's how Pixel solves this". For example the wide angle lens got a video which was 90% "Here's a bad example and another one,..." and then a 3s example of how it works/looks with the wide angle and that was pretty much it.
- dandare 8y agoI was choosing a new Android phone last week. Step 1: sort by headphone jack.